DMs Are in Trouble... | Nerd Immersion 

This is what they want to charge us $30 a month for. Basically this with a few more bells and whistles. Probably in the form of prompts ending in questions to get the ball rolling, like "What do you do?"

@@johnquiett1085 LOL I wouldn't pay $30 for a PERSON to DM for me, I sure as heck wouldn't pay it for an AI :D ....mostly because I do the DMing myself, but as a player, I still wouldn't put money to it.

Lowering the bar for DM entry is great for new people getting started for DnD

A “good dm” is somebody who has spent the time to learn and/or develop their tools and workflows. Making your life easier as a dm is a necessity, so anything that can make your life easier so you can focus on the interactions with your players is a benefit. AI will never replace a dm, but it might supersede some of the tools they currently use.

@@mikaneko I'm not above paying a DM for a really good experience, but yeah, like you I can DM a game. The most I'd ever ask is snacks and drinks. Once we considered a venue that would charge to use the space and the group decided the DM wouldn't have to pay their portion, but then a player volunteered their house instead so we never did that even.

The clickbait title kinda detracts from the overall message here, which is presenting this cool tool that in no way is trouble for DMs :(

Likewise! This should be very helpful.

It was clickbait but at least like this alot of dms saw this usfull tool

I've heard that's how RU-vidrs have to do it in order to attract views. The title card is just business. Stay for the content.

ChatGPT is the best writing block remover there is. It comes up with some ideas that you go "Of course! How didn't I think of that?"

This is exactly what I use it for. Fantastic for bouncing ideas off of and refining the text.

Research assistant to the DM.

@Solavita it’s Research Assistant DM, not Assistant *to* the DM. Come on, Jim.

I find it does a poor job abstracting thought. It can provide some structure and ideas based on language structure it may recognize from a google search of D&D, but once I started really probing it - I found it slightly more useful than a random table.

yeah the thing i see AI having trouble with is keeping storylines congruent when players go off and do something it hadn't accounted for

@@nickq8093 I would think not. If the players go off tangent a real DM will have to adjust all the material they prepared for the session or the rest of the campaign for that matter but chatDM will just make shit up in micro seconds.

This! Just another good tool.

@@neurolancer81 I think what he meant was like if the players go off on a tangent but intend on returning to the original story in a bit its unlikely that chatgpt would be able to remember the original quest

Nervously glances over at AI art as an artist.

To be fair there are a lot of humans I know where "the mouth is moving but no one is home" is also a fitting description.

So it’s a Marketing PhD.

The ghost writing industry should be terrified.

Recently, I've been considering whether I could write TTRPG one-shots and campaigns for a living, as I've always had what people call a triple-plus imagination, but I think this demonstration just sunk that boat :/

I think this could be a great tool for aggregating sources that a user chooses (such as source manuals, fiction books, etc) and producing prompts for inspiration. And I agree, it seems like as it is, this could be good for throwing together a few random side quests to fill out a larger campaign. I know I've needed to come up with something for the party to do in [random town] all the time.

The way all of this works is that the model has parsed a whole lot of text and is trying to match what you're asking with something similar that its seen before. In this case, it almost certainly responded based on what the model has seen of published adventure summaries. It knows that the party level and time to complete is part of that format, but doesn't understand enough about how adventures work to work out what it means or why it's there. Later on, when asked what challenges are in the grotto, it's very clearly falling back to the kinds of examples you see in a D&D book's "how to make an adventure" chapter. It has lost the context of "I'm giving you an adventure", and fallen into the next best thing it knows about, which is rulebook text.

Its like it's issuing a challenge. "You SHOULD only take that long. Now, make it happen. Players, make it not happen. The ChatCPT Wars, begun, have they."

It's a cool idea, but I think something will be lost if a DM is replaced by an AI. What will happen to the ribbing and mocking when the DM rolls a nat 20? Would an AI be able to dish it out and take it when the friendly accusations of "DM shenanigans" comes up? haha. Will the fun back and forth banter be able to be replicated?

@@kwith i don't think it will replace DMs but I am going to see how well it does for a one-on-one session. See if it can DM for me.

It'd be fun for playing around with different character builds, maybe if combined with something akin to Neverwinter nights construction set it could generate video game content on the fly. But for multiplayer stuff, yeah probably not going to be used long term (maybe for a one shot)

Being a forever DM has no shackles.

What I would absolutely take is an AI for describing rooms, NPCs/creatures, and items. Let me do the fun stuff of planning the adventures and world-building, and let AI handle the 99% of descriptive fluff I don't really care about but help player immersion. An AI trying to adjudicate rules would be hilarious in a so-bad-it's-funny way, though.

I was watching the AIWizard videos recently using ChatGPT to generate a D&D campaign. I think it also called his village Ravenswood, lol.

Lmao. So designer / developer jobs are just turning into interpreter jobs? More than they were already, I mean. Yeah, I can handle that.

@@mirandelf it has one town name, and goddamn if it doesn't love that name.

This.

and as a human we could maybe tie that all together, as disguises, illusions or polymorph, and decide for ourselves how to use it. as previously said use it all as suggestions.

@@erictighe1683 that was not a sarcastic "love," I really do love how she morphs forms. It's not a perfect system, but it's darn good. This is the stuff AI should be used for.

OK. So. I totally just used this program in my latest D&D Kids adventure, and it worked out beautifully! Some of it I was able to actually use for flavor text, but most of that had to be edited. But where it really came in handy was helping me see what ideas I liked and what Ideas I didn't. Like for the plot hook NPC it made her kinda panicky and helpless, and I immediately balled that up and binned it and knew I wanted her to be a stronger, grumpier character. It was fantastic for riddles & puzzles. Some tweaking necessary, but the kids LOVED the riddles. None of them are brain-breaking, but all of them were fun. Again, some editing required. I had to watch out for consistency. It does not know what an acrostic poem is.

I'd put ChatGPT at around a middle school level of writing. It's a very fun tool to work with, especially for the munchkin adventures.

As someone who works in the automation industry, I can say that we basically just view that as step one. While I don't think AI DM's are a threat because for many the most important part of their D&D game is the excuse to spend time with friends, for other industries we're actively working to scale back the need for human input as much as possible. Cars didn't totally replace horses as soon as they were invented, but how many people use horses as their primary transportation these days? It's just a matter of time, the technology is still extremely new and it's already having an impact.

@@VoctorVideo Also we are currently living in a world built for humans. For example if you wanted a fully automated store you can do it (Amazon have ones that are fully automated with no people inside BUT they're purpose built buildings built around the use of robots and automation) but most buildings are built humans first. Building for humans means robots have to be built in order to operate within those buildings, which means the level of mechanization is limited due to cost. Which is more cost effective at the moment. Having a robot whirl around the store stocking shelves designed to be stocked by humans and all the problems that entails (products in the wrong place, awkward shelving angles for robots, not so much for more dextrous humans etc.) or paying minimum wage for a human to just stock that shelf? Currently the year on year cost makes humans the better option, plus it also means you'd need someone on site to repair the robots should they ever become busted, which is a specialist skillset, a human can be replaced by any other human. Robotic technology would have to get much cheaper and more reliable to replace people in minimum wage jobs like shelf stacking or table wait staff. Which I personally find kind of interesting, yes a lot of menial labour has been replaced (self checkouts are replacing cashiers slowly but surely but they're not entirely infallible and still need at least some human element involved in terms of supervision and security, plus a lot of the older generation at the moment refuse to use self service. My Grandma, for example, refuses to use them because they confuse her and often she takes bags which cause the checkout to throw a hissyfit because they have weight to them and thus end up causing problems) but its menial labour that is just more cost effective to have humans do in a world built for humans that will take a while to replace. I think once robots get to that point of being cheaper or more and more stores are purpose built with robots in mind that we'll start to see a a truly society shaking change but as it is at the moment, as millenials become the older generation and especially Gen Alpha we'll start to see more and more acceptance of technology because one became teenagers in the digital age and the other have never known a world without the internet. As it stands now we still have people alive who were children before TV was a widespread thing (like my grandma who was born in the 1930s).

I saw that flaw also

That's the things a real DM could catch and expand on. I've got a reason I came up with right now. It was the village that snitched on Aria to her coven that Aria was practising black magic. In her madness and rage, she blames the villagers and their descendants for her covans betrayal.

The coven was the first thing she destroyed. The towns people, however, would have fallen with a flick of her finger....and where is the fun in that?

Don't expect any kind of understanding or consistency from ChatGPT. It's just stitching words together to create a 'likely' output based on available data.

Do you find fonts designed for dyslexia to be helpful? If so which do you recommend?

@@LostWhits For me I will write stuff in all caps help me distiguish letters. It was a trick I used growing up without knowing I was dyslexic. So I use all Caps fonts or bold everything. It helps with me.

That's why you have to correct these things. Going through and editing small details is part of using these things. They aren't AGI yet, they are simply just AI. Not to mention if you look to it, this type of AI isn't that old, it's new tech that is still growing. We have a lot further we can go with AI and even further with AGI. Simple mistakes like this are to be expected this early in development.

Yup, last week watched another video on this topic and the adventure it spit out was very similar.

Anything wrong with that?

If they don't come out with a system of their own specialized in describing fantasy settings, they're toast.

dont worry about it. competition is good

This is pretty much how every DM/GM I know who uses it does it. It's there to get over writers block or provide a spur of inspiration. For example I needed a town that the PCs were just 'passing through', so it didn't need to be super detailed but detailed enough that if they asked I could provide the basics, so asking it to generate a fantasy town focused around an iron mine, the stores available, the name of the tavern, a brief history of the town and one important political NPC gives me enough to springboard off of and go "ok, I think I can make this work...I don't like that piece, I'll change that..." and so on.

That is till AGI comes out in all honesty.

Well, ChatGPT currently can't keep coherence over more than two or three questions, so ...

This is pretty much what one of the leaks said they were going to do and they denied it. I think its definitely something that they are considering/working on as the lack of DMs is the biggest stumbling block to the expansion of the TTRPG hobby.

Yeah, I expect it will be paywalled eventually

@@jasondincauze3629 I remember back when ai dungeon was around and was actually kinda decent? Now look where it's at, hella fees. I just won't be surprised it happens again with something as promoted by people as this.

I'm also impressed that it was able to figure out that you meant HERE and not hear when you asked about the disappearances. That is amazing.

It is not learning from user input. The database is fixed. You don't have to worry about other users poisoning the well. At least not in the short term.

@@harmless6813 Not worried about that, more that players will see the same types of generated content across different groups and DMs who are using it. And it's exactly because it's not going to grow, but instead "standardize" the product. And I'm not talking about the central one learning. I'm talking about getting a fresh copy of the program and giving it a completely user-defined database of starting information.

Given how good some of the video games are these days, I don’t think combat would be much of an issue for a slightly more advanced AI.

It's surprisingly good at understanding D&D mechanics. Try it.

This is also what I realized using ChatGPT, and in this video. You can "persuade" ChatGPT to stay on course by repeating things it previously wrote, but it something that you should keep in mind.