Do Calf Kicks & The Philly Shell Work In Kickboxing? | Building Hurting Bombs Podcast #9 

Also the calf kick in MMA is lower risk because it's harder for the many wrestlers to catch, and obviously while kick catching exists in Kickboxing, it's more dangerous in MMA. Few guys will check kicks in MMA due to the risk of being taken down while on one leg. It's perfectly suited for MMA honestly

Damn he really breaks it down good!

I personally really like the idea of changing your guard and stance depending on the situation and that you can do something of the opponent allows it. People say you can't bob and weave in kickboxing because knees but you can still uppercut in boxing.

MMA is a game of constant adaptation, who ever capitalizes on an opponent who doesn’t adapt, will win.

some great insights from Joe, particularly the upward punches from philly shell as a threat to wrestlers.

Always great to hear a true expert give his take on subjects. Good stuff.

Bazooka Joe should do a few UFC fight night commentarys. I'd like to hear his input. Maybe work his way up to the UFC analytical team.

Hey guys, just want to say "Thanks" for the inspiration and quality content. I am a Wrestler who is now inspired to start Kickboxing. You guys have a welcoming vibe, unintimidating yet educational. I expect this channel to blow up in some months so it's cool to say I've come relatively early. All the best guys, excellent stuff.

What amazing breakdown, certainly a guy that knows what he’s talking about ! Subscribing right now 👍🏻

The future of striking may be using more styles of footwork, movement, & stances than just 1 or 2. More practice of diff stances/exits with the knowledge of the purpose of them may lead to fluid striking masters. Right now we see more stance-switches than any time in the past- and more advanced fighters in general with better strategies/toolboxes than any time in the past so it's only a matter of time before someone gets great at doing something like transition from Philly Shell to... [arm out to create distance/barrier + switch stance] a muay thai stance where they can then launch a teep kick or feint 1 and come in with a 12 O clock rear elbow. I wanna try stuff like this myself but stupid lockdown from Covid has prevented me from ever sparring

That’s a man that becomes articulate by being studious of his craft and being willing to share the information. He’s not coming up with answers on his own at all, he’s talking logic with previous examples off the top of his head to paint the picture for us. Wow. Could listen to it all day.

Everyone talking about calf kicks like its a new thing is imbaressing

Really good explanation by Joe. Love the podcast!

Man, I love Joe's videos and interviews.

Excellent advice again thanks joe!

beautiful insight

Very very good explanation. Thank you!

love your explanation on calf kicks thanks

Man dropping gems

Great breakdown! Thank you :)

Incredibly insightful.

Interesting that in the end you described keeping the lead hand lower for MMA. This helps defend takedown and maintain distance better than the Pilar as you mentioned. Different guards for different types of fighters and situations in the fight make sense as well. Good breakdown. 👍

Really enjoying these. Would be awesome if in one episode u spoke about elite kickboxers these days and their tactics. Are they different to the k1 max masato era?

fantastic video. thank you.

I use the peek a boo style a lot during kickboxing sparring. I grew up a Tyson fan and I love boxing. I started out doing that at home for a few months before joining a gym. I have to switch guards a lot and fast for various reasons and it can deff have its faults trust me lol But it can also throw them off and work in your favor

Joe knows his stuff🔥

Excellent video

I'm a long time MMA fan and I have to say there was a period where EVERYBODY was throwing leg kicks in MMA. Maybe it was around when Nick Diaz lost to Condit and when Silva lost to Weidman but everyone was definitely doing it and I would say majority still do- but they don't overuse it....Gaejthe did against Dustin- to the point that he neglected his boxing.

the sound effect at 6:18 is hilarious

Very smart man

Asual brilliant knowledge and breakdown from bazooka joe !!!, best you tube guy around,and great discussion with the philly shell as think it works great,but only in small times of use,he’s spot on calf kicks not really that important in kickboxing as there elite strikers and used to leg kicks,Mma fighters are just not at that elite level !!!but to be fair also in there defence have to worry about so many different other weapons coming at them to,

The man bazooka

Also something which is rarely talked about or enforced in most k1 rules you have to kick 3 inch above the knee

Brilliant question about philly shell and we’ll answered.

Shout-out to Samkor & Dany Bill, two legendary leg destroyers ☠️

back in the day, bill wallace fought out of the philly shell basically. but he didn't have to worry about leg kicks.

"it skips off and... Bing"

They are talking about the Philly Shell in kickboxing. I think it would be less effective In Muay Thai, seems like it would be easy to get the plum on someone always bending at the waist.

"when it hits the shoulder and skips off the temple and boom you go ouuuwt" boom you know he's Canadian lol my man Valtellini

Surprised we never got to hear your thoughts on holloway vs kattar

Bill Wallace was a kickboxer who used the Philly Shell

So what you're saying is that if you've secured a takedown, go for a charley horse! 😂

Philly shell I only use if its straight boxing. Kickboxing that lead leg is open to get blasted all day. MMA my stance is more between boxing stance and grappling stance. It is tricky though because if you are light on front leg take down is much easier for guys to hit. Grappling stance is wide to avoid the takedown. MMA I found I really just had to know the style of who I go with. I think that is just something you learn along the way. But I completely agree philly shell your lead leg is going to get blasted all day. Dustin has a nice way of blocking though. He blocks by trying to hit the incoming punch with point of the elbow I noticed. If you ever punched someone who defends like that you know how much that hurts even with gloves on. One guy at the gym is really good at blocking like that. Throw kicks high and he will get it with the below 7 out of 10 times. Dustin has that mastered though with punch defense using elbows

Guys like joe valtellini, should be in conors camp for his next fight. The kickboxing/muay thai knowledge and experience valtellini would bring to conors camp would be amazing. Plus he could give conor some good sparring session. To help gain experience in the kickboxing department.

I don't think you can really condition yourself much to take a calf kick. As one of the doctors explained it, the reason why it's easy to harm the peroneal nerve is because there's little to no muscle protecting the nerves that are responsible for the movement of the foot.

I feel like Joe missed the biggest reason, MMA has adopted more of a boxing centric approach ro striking and wrestlings influence leads to fighters being much heavier on their lead leg which makes it far more difficult to check kicks. The other parts I agree with though.

I personally think they work just not as much. Like I’ve seen in Muay Thai (rarely mind you) when someone goes to check a kick and they put their calf in the way instead and get finished, but because they’re stance and style of fighting this rarely happens. For the philly shell kinda the same idea

Anything can work if you use it correctly.

Try a calf kick in Thailand a sure way to break your own bones.

calf kick been around longer than these dudes been alive lol wtf

Makes sense that implies that philly shell can be used against a bad kicker

The Philly shell doesn’t work in kb. Are you gonna try to headkicks on your shoulder? You’d also have to be at an angle which would leave you open to leg kicks.

I don't see Calf kicks in Muay Thai very often,anyone knows why??

No the stances are different to where calf kicks are more available in an mma fight

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You dont have to worry about a guy blasting a double leg in kickboxing

This guy looks Gabriel rosado

Theres alot of mma fighters who were professional kickboxers before lol

I think conor almost looked down on that muay thai style and he often thought his precision would always win out

Why calf kicks seem to be a new moves loll

the point you are missing here bro is if you try to check kick in mma you are extremely vulnerable to getting takendown and conor catched porier's kicks if some wrestler was in the place of dustin he could have taken him down

No anything new about Calf kick low kick leg kick, i saw it all in MT match in Thailand since i was young. And i saw Changpreuk did it to Rufus long time ago.

Philly shell in a bladed stance say goodbye to your front leg, watch alexei ignashov fight a world champ boxer and youll see what happens.

Ohhhh so that's how you K.O Mayweather 😂

get on JRE again please

The fighters in Kickboxing are better at checking calf kicks so it's not as effective as it would be in MMA. As for Philly Shell I have no idea.

every move is situational, hmm well Philly shell works if a dude is throwing a punch, but throw in a kick and it fucks up the whole dynamic.

100.000 leg kicks in 100 fights is equal to 1000 leg kicks a fight.

I use a philly shell i knock out everyond and get knocked out by everyone

Super foot Wallace used a Philly shell

the Philly Shell is not a good idea against a Competent Kicker.

what's fucked up about this is.. even if you start getting a grasp of how to defend striking variations... you then meet a khabib or a dangerous BJJ guy.. it's endless. Respect fighters

You think MMA fighters can't take leg kicks? Ever heard of Faber when he fought Aldo and GSP when he fought Alves

Man, Baz Joe should have been the one battling Firas Zahabi in the RU-vid UFC 1 style championship final, not Sensei Seth. Love Seth but Joe would beat him in the semifinal.

It's a kin to asking a chess master if he's worried about a pawn

A good boxer can beat any muay thai guy with one arm Even in K1 the guy with the best hands tends to win

the calf kick is kind of cheap in my opinion.......

The guy didnt mention the threat of takedowns even once. Too much of a kickboxer mindset i guess.

There's a reason Floyd didn't fight Tenshin under kickboxing or Muay Thai rules. Philly shell gets worked.

A simple no would have worked. MMA and kick boxing two different animals, why? Insert plug 🔌.

NO.... IT'S SIMPLE. IT'S THE STANCE. IN MMA YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WIDER STANCE TO PREPARE FOR THE TAKEDOWN. THAT'S WHY IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE IN MMA. WITH THE WIDER STANCE THEY CAN'T LIFT THEIR LEGS UP FAST ENOUGH. IN KICKBOXING THE STANCE IS NOT AS WIDE SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TAKEDOWNS.