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Do Expensive Speaker Cables Sound Better than Cheaper Cables? 

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Do expensive speaker cables sound better? In this video, we explore if price determines the sound quality and objective performance of speaker cables. We compare inexpensive cables to some of the exotics to see how the cheap stuff fares. The results may surprise you as we are all about applying real science to audio, not the marketing fluff.
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Комментарии : 909   
@RobTi
@RobTi 4 года назад
Respect Gene for giving the answer at the beginning of the video, and then elaborating on the topic, instead of the other way around!
@Abrikosmanden
@Abrikosmanden 4 года назад
Absolutely! That's when you know the content is actually worth your time :)
@rtg97229
@rtg97229 4 года назад
What is really special is that some people spend more on audio cables than I do on RF cables for 40 GHz testing. I really admire Gene's stamina on being wiling to address this issue for the people with amnesia about the last time they asked about audio cables.
@richardelliott8352
@richardelliott8352 8 месяцев назад
every time I see an investigation of cable reality, I am reminded of the very famous audio reviewer who used the six figure cost of his system wiring to enhance his credibility, as in, too bad not everybody can experience a super expensive system built by the expertise and experience I possess. My curiosity sparked by this channel , I went over to refresh my memory about the cost and features of his cables and interconnects. Now I couldn't find the dollar amount of his cables nor even any mention, on the last RU-vid exploration of his super expensive system that I viewed . I thought that odd for a guy who unfailingly pushed fancy cables as so necessary that they should get a a good slice of the audio budget, on par with components.
@Chez114
@Chez114 4 года назад
I love that he gives the answer to the question right in the beginning. Now I actually want to watch the full video just out of respect
@Jeff-fc7nf
@Jeff-fc7nf 4 года назад
After getting the straight up answer, I stayed to listen to the entire video. Tell me the answer and then explain, perfect format. Subscribed!
@michaelpiotrowicz6100
@michaelpiotrowicz6100 4 года назад
"The answer is no." Subscribed.
@robert71457
@robert71457 8 месяцев назад
B I N G O😂
@ramencurry6672
@ramencurry6672 5 месяцев назад
I think especially for short lengths, the cheap crappy speaker cables normally won’t degrade the sound.
@DaveJ6515
@DaveJ6515 3 месяца назад
Unsubscribed. The answer is yes on hi-end systems, otherwise don't bother.
@UNLKYHNTR
@UNLKYHNTR 4 года назад
The fact that this is even worth a video is just sad, man. This industry is full of shit sometimes. you and your team put so much love and effort into your videos and website. It's the first place I check when I want information on a specific product. Always honest, in depth and just filled to the brim with knowledge. You need a lot more subscribers.
@mrcheezle6
@mrcheezle6 4 года назад
Audioquest is a prime example of a company profiting off of B.S. terminology.
@berthacdellasala
@berthacdellasala 4 года назад
Thank you UNKLY. We love promoting the knowledge for consumers to make an informed decisions and enjoy their home audio.
@tonys4396
@tonys4396 4 года назад
With SO much proof about this over the years, you would think that EVERYONE knows how the pathetic snake oil cables are all about.
@UNLKYHNTR
@UNLKYHNTR 4 года назад
@@berthacdellasala thanks for that. Love you guys/gals ❤️❤️❤️
@tonys4396
@tonys4396 4 года назад
@@ianjohnhorwood2605 You must work for AudioQuest.
@joes3800
@joes3800 4 года назад
I am a big fan of Audioholics. That said, I reluctantly watched this video thinking this was yet another rant of Gene's about a bad experience he had with a cable vendor or manufacturer. Not that that is not interesting; I was shocked about the situation he encountered at a recent audio show last year. But I thought this video was going to be redundant... On the contrary, I instead got a lot out of this video as it was a good summary of the science. Thank you once again for another informative and interesting video, Gene. Keep them coming!
@fabiozagoo
@fabiozagoo 4 года назад
Do the same vídeo about standard power cord vs other high quality power cords.
@brentelieson1527
@brentelieson1527 4 года назад
I'd like to see a Belden 83803 based power cable in a power cord comparison.
@rogerhalt3991
@rogerhalt3991 4 года назад
Or fiber HDMI vs regular
@thisrocks
@thisrocks 4 года назад
Why? PS audio already did it :D :D :D
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 года назад
You need a video for that nonsense?
@RennieAsh
@RennieAsh 4 года назад
@@thisrocks his intro was basically referencing Paul's intro lol
@lordw9609
@lordw9609 4 года назад
Love how you're still giving the middle finger to these scam artist cable companies. Wish more people would wake up to them. Thanks Gene!!
@russellbradley454
@russellbradley454 2 года назад
GEORGE ORWELL said advertising is the cesspit of capitalism, getting people to spend money they can't afford on things they they don't need. 🤣
@chrismonterubio9475
@chrismonterubio9475 Год назад
His speaker wire is literally $300 for 10ft. He’s a hypocrite at best.
@jasonwebb6484
@jasonwebb6484 Год назад
@@chrismonterubio9475 I thought he said the stuff he uses is $1.20/ft (Blue Jeans Cable?)? Obviously have to add in cost of terminations (banana plugs or whatever) and labour. Is he selling cables for $300 - just wondering.
@volleyballjerry
@volleyballjerry Год назад
@@russellbradley454 - It is better than communism when people cannot get the things they DO need.
@noself1028
@noself1028 3 года назад
Gene, thanks for this video and others like it. It’s refreshing to get explanations and analysis based in science and engineering rather than audio fantasy. You perform a vital service for the audio enthusiast community.
@volleyballjerry
@volleyballjerry Год назад
"It's dynamic, involving, accurate, detailed and harmonically pure," raves Todd Warnke in his review for SoundStage "The Silver Streak sets a new standard for me." -- from Stereophile magazine in their review of Kimber Kable's Silver Streak which cost $2576.00 for a pair of 3-meter cables. Audio Fantasy? Oh yeah! But Stereophile takes Kimber Kable's advertising money so you are probably not going to get negative reviews for this BS. But Gene said it best towards the end - cables due to their electrical and engineering simplicity of what they do and how they do it do NOT require that much thought into their design to get right. They just don't. But people with extreme disposable income need to justify how they waste their money and Gene's comment about bragging rights was spot on. Even if you spend $20,000.00 on an amplifier and you have Andy Singer trying to convince you that *these* cables are the perfect match for this amplifier and speaker combination, you are an idiot if you feel that you ALSO need to spend $10,000.00 on cables. Cables are cables!!!! It's like a Ferrari owner believing that $30.00 per gallon gasoline is the ONLY fuel for his car because he blew half a million dollars on it! No. Gas is gas; cables are cables. As for Andy Singer, he is an ex law student with zero background in acoustics, electronics, or engineering. But he *is* a successful salesman in that he has made a lot of money convincing other deep-pocketed idiots in New York City to spend 100 times what they actually needed to get a decent sound system.
@theejoeylee
@theejoeylee 4 года назад
People freaking out over speaker cable quality must have never seen the cheap a$$ wires going from the circuit board to the terminal inside the amp
@andershammer9307
@andershammer9307 4 года назад
Not in a good amp.
@knusern666
@knusern666 3 года назад
Or the wires inside the speaker. I must confess that i bought expensive wires for my system 25 years ago. Then i had a midrange speaker go bad and opened the speaker to change it. Inside i found tiny wires with rubbish termination. That was my wakeupcall i have not bought expensive wires after that. I still have my wires and they still work so the quality was good, but even if i had bought the cheap ones and i had to change them 10 times it would still be cheaper
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 года назад
Gene!! You should win”Audiophile Truth” of the decade award !!!
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 года назад
Don't be silly. Gene has just moved on from snake oil that costs hundreds of dollars to the extra virgin snake oil that costs thousands of dollars in expensive amplifiers and receivers. Funny that he actually uses the word "audible" in this one in pointing out that half a dB is not likely audible. But in the amplifier video the word is never used. We are supposed to believe that measurable minute differences in distortion, noise, and frequency response are somehow audible, without any evidence supporting that conclusion. For something to sound "better," it first has to sound different in a reliable test.
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 года назад
@@gregworrel2623 Look, The guy takes time to provide measurable evidence and truth.. I have also watched some of his "amplifier" videos and he speaks of "Audible" differences regularly. There are huge audible differences in amplifiers, one from the next. I find him one of the most honest and upfront guys in the industry!! he literally got excluded from HiFi shows because of his promotion of truth. Lets give the guy some breathing room....
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 года назад
@@abxaudiophiles Measurements don't tell us what is audible. In the amplifier video, he mentioned that one amplifier sounded "smoother" and "more composed." Which measurement shows us "more composed" on a graph? What does "more composed" even mean? How can two amplifiers with ruler flat frequency response have one that sounds "smoother"? He showed a graph in that video of an amplifier that had a 2dB variation at 20KHz but failed to mention that there is almost certainly no way anyone can hear 2dB variation at 20KHz in actual content. It is ironic for someone with "ABX" in their screen name to say that there are "huge audible differences in amplifiers." Are you unaware of the ABX testing done by the SMWTMS? Are you unaware of the $10,000 amplifier challenge that offered $10,000 to anyone who could correctly identify different amplifiers that were level matched and not clipping in a double blind test? At what level does amplifier distortion become audible? .01%? .1%? 1%? How well equipment measures and the engineering to get there is irrelevant once a minimum standard is achieved such that the noise and distortion become inaudible to humans.
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 года назад
@@gregworrel2623 He Actually said that .5-1db is basically unnoticeable...As we all know 2-3 db increase can easily be perceived as an increase in quality or other characteristics. Your diatribe is pointless, as there are MANY more issues that are more relevant than someone saying AMPS sound different.... AS THEY DO
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 года назад
@@abxaudiophiles Yes, he said that in this video. But in the amplifier video, one of his reasons why more expensive amps sound better was "impedance invariability." The graph showed a 2dB variation at 20KHz. Please tell me you can hear a 2dB variation at 20KHz. That is absolutely inaudible to anyone over the age of 30 and likely inaudible in actual content by anyone at any age. If you think level matched non-clipping amps sound different then prove it in a double blind comparison. I've yet to hear of anyone who could. People spend thousands on amps when a simple experiment would show they are throwing their money away when a much less expensive amp would sound exactly the same.
@laurentiudinca9606
@laurentiudinca9606 4 года назад
If you want better sound, invest in better speakers.
@torea6084
@torea6084 4 года назад
Don't forget to spend some money on room acoustics as well :-)
@pking39
@pking39 4 года назад
@@torea6084 Also some money on the preamp/amp. With these 3 combo. Then u will all set:-)
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 4 года назад
I agree because the number one priority on your system where your money goes is the pair of speakers themselves. You absolutely cannot go wrong with Paradigm Persona 5f and a vintage Pioneer SX1980.
@laurentiudinca9606
@laurentiudinca9606 4 года назад
You definitely cannot go wrong with that setup, IF you can afford it. You can buy a small house with that money, but I get your point. That amp, however, is an absolute jewel.
@travis1240
@travis1240 3 года назад
I agree. Start with the speakers and (unless you are made of money or have really bad components) stop there too.
@VintageStereoCollectorChannel
@VintageStereoCollectorChannel 2 года назад
I watch this video from time-to-time to better appreciate the Blue Jeans 10-white speaker cables I use. I really appreciate your effort, testing and honesty👍👍
@amazoidal
@amazoidal 4 года назад
There's a reason the owner of Audioquest lives in a 5 million dollar condo in a beach town shopping center.
@amazoidal
@amazoidal 4 года назад
Bill Low's condo is IN the Fashion Island Shopping Center. He paid 3.3 million in 2014. It's probably doubled.
@GSPirosaki
@GSPirosaki 4 года назад
Everyone aspires to live in a shopping center.
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts 4 года назад
And I bet he can't tell the difference between cables in a blind trial either :)
@rogerskoff5746
@rogerskoff5746 3 года назад
You're right. Businesses should b e ashamed of selling things good enough that lots of customers want to buy them and their owners get to live nicely. All businesses should run at a loss. That way everybody would be happy and morally correct. Show everybody what a noble soul are by giving all your possessions to the poor. Of course, the you would become one of the poor, and would demand it all back, screaming "EXPLOITATION!!!!
@boeing757pilot
@boeing757pilot Год назад
WOW! What an outstanding explanation and recommendations! Just incredible and such a refreshing presentation. Bravo!
@62thomasnguyen
@62thomasnguyen 4 года назад
I have been using low voltage garden cable from Home Depot and they work terrific. Short is 14 gauge and long is 12 gauge (20’ and more than 10’). Work like a champ.
@mohammadwasilliterate8037
@mohammadwasilliterate8037 2 года назад
LOTS OF COPPER IS ALL YOU NEED AS YOU ARE CONNECTING A LOW IMPEDANCE UNIT.
@Peter_van_bjork
@Peter_van_bjork Год назад
Kimber Kable looks fantastic, so in terms of aesthetics, they are clearly the prettiest
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 года назад
Gene! I just shared this on about 15 audiophile Facebook groups and disabled commenting ....🤣🤣🤣. Truth can be such a weapon to some.
@slerched
@slerched 4 года назад
Blue jeans all the way. My wife doesn't get near my system so what it looks like.... Doesn't matter! Of course she married me so...looks must not matter to her either! :-D
@junior-OG
@junior-OG 4 года назад
lol
@Abrikosmanden
@Abrikosmanden 4 года назад
I bet you have a beautiful soul, Stephen :P
@tonys4396
@tonys4396 4 года назад
I have Blue Jeans cables in white. They look fine to me.
@bareknuckles2u
@bareknuckles2u 3 года назад
lol! me too! ;-)
@nachowifi2181
@nachowifi2181 4 года назад
He's educated and does his research. Ill save my money and get cool gear instead. Gene, youre a savant.
@xprettylightsx
@xprettylightsx 4 года назад
Ian john Horwood lol
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 года назад
GENE!!!! We are missing a huge portion of cables and interconnects!!! Please do a video regarding XLR and RCA Interconnects as well! THANK YOU.
@andrewskaterrr
@andrewskaterrr 4 года назад
The “ABX Audiophile” this covers those, they use copper cable.... the ends don’t matter too much
@Abrikosmanden
@Abrikosmanden 4 года назад
Well, the same goes for all cables - unless they're badly designed trough incompetence or deliberately, there are no audible difference between cables in an audio system.
@markfreedman2470
@markfreedman2470 3 года назад
I got into this hobby around 60 years ago. Stereo itself was the big thing. No solid state components existed. During that time and for many years afterwards there was no such thing as a speaker cable company. Zip cable of a thick enough gauge was what you used and that was it. Now after all these years Gene’s research and testing has validated my observation. I have never been able to tell the difference. Thanks again Gene for an outstanding video.
@thegoat164
@thegoat164 Год назад
It's Gene not Jean old timer.
@markfreedman2470
@markfreedman2470 Год назад
@@thegoat164 you are absolutely right! However, I was dictating the response and RU-vid decided it was Jean. Thanks for letting me know, I edited it.
@blueflame0003
@blueflame0003 4 года назад
Monoprice cl2 in wall 14 awg is what I use,great job gene,
@lordsagat2503
@lordsagat2503 4 года назад
Please do one on RCA cables. Love the work Gene!
@stevesneed56
@stevesneed56 4 года назад
Thank you ! Straight forward info with no unnecessary bs ! Using 10' runs of 8pr with hybrid tube amp with Salk monitors! Great affordable system with immense sound stage depth ! Been listening to audio for over fifty years, and I am satisfied with this one !!
@timbathras2660
@timbathras2660 4 года назад
Based on your reviews, I splurged on a pair Kimber 8TC about a year ago as I only needed 5ft, so I figured why not.
@grahambinge4601
@grahambinge4601 4 года назад
Gene I bought a Yamaha Aventage receiver in 2015 which is when I starting watching Audioholics. I am a mechanical engineer but did do some electrical subjects. When you dropped the snake oil bomb on cables I laughed so much I was crying and I nearly fell off the couch. Then the 1kHz 10% distortion power ratings 😂 . Well let’s just say “I’m here to testify, snake oil is real and is out there!” Love your work
@boardertrashtv8638
@boardertrashtv8638 4 года назад
Hey Gene, after watching the show for a year or two now I’ve seen the light and eBay’d my QED Bullcrap speaker cable with equivalent of 16awg lathered up in snake oil. Replaced it with some Van Damme UP-LCOFC 6mm which is around 9.5 gauge. Even when I bought the QED cable I didn’t think it sounded quite as good as the bottom of the range zip chord 14 gauge plain OFC cable from the same brand but I still bought it because of the marketing. It just sounded a bit lifeless despite being ‘silver’ plated. Looking at the specs now the resistance was way better in the cheaper model. What an idiot. I will no longer worry about cables, decent gauge shotgun will do me fine until I die. Thank you Audioholics 👌🏻
@allanwhittle3041
@allanwhittle3041 2 месяца назад
As usual Honesty backed up by science and good knowledge of the subject matter . Thank you !!!
@JaZK825
@JaZK825 4 года назад
I tried Gene’s 14 4 “hack” and have been really pleased! Not sure what vid it’s in but involves using a cable with 4 14 AWG conductors and joining each pair to make two conductors with an effective gauge of about 11 AWG I think. Some slick cable pants and terminators and you get some pretty decent cables sans snake oil. Thanks Gene! Love Audioholics!
@povertime6381
@povertime6381 4 года назад
I am also on the 14/4 bandwagon. Sounds great to me.
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 года назад
Why go to all that trouble when 14 gauge is more than adequate on its own for almost every home application?
@trevorm574
@trevorm574 4 года назад
100% right. Combine opposing conductors for a star quad setup and you're untouchable. We use 16/4 bulk cable in our installs like this for residential room sizes. Star quad is really great and cheap to deploy. Highly recommended.
@IliyaOsnovikov
@IliyaOsnovikov Год назад
Has anyone read the Stereophile article "What a Difference a Wire Makes" (June 12, 2020, First Published: Dec 1, 1995)? It shows that low inductance plays much larger role than low resistance. And they do provide real waveform distortion mesurements not just "I am telling you guys...".
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts 4 года назад
Remember folks, speaker cables are not gain stages. They are a method of final drive to speakers. They have very little to do with sound at all. Back at the amplifier inputs is where you can make *some* difference in sound with your cables since you have so much gain there and small differences can have larger effects (shielding, twisted pairs etc). Save your money for better speakers and you'll hear the most difference
@wa4aos
@wa4aos 3 года назад
As an electrical engineer and audiophile, AKA; audio-FOOL, I have tried to help others understand the basics of audio cable measurements/ohms law to no avail. Most will go out and spend more on their cables than they do on some of their nicer audio components. Which is foolishness unless, like you said, they enjoy their bragging rights. One company will charge you north of $20K for a pair of amp to speaker hookup cables; thats CRAZY !!! Another well =known company in Colorado will lift over $30K from your wallet for the same cables. Thanks for putting up the basic electrical theory which most people should be able to grasp. Great presentation !!! Personally, I enjoy putting the money into components and media.
@khagaroth
@khagaroth 4 года назад
That reminded me of the blind listening test, where some golden ears "audiophools" couldn't distinguish between some expensive Monster cables and 4 soldered together coat hangers.
@Billy-rr7re
@Billy-rr7re 3 года назад
the more you pay, the more unicorns will come out of your sound system.
@mechtheist
@mechtheist 4 года назад
Sounds to me like zip cord is all you really need for the great majority of systems. Zip cord should always be in comparison tables so you can see what the premium price is buying you, if anything.
@oriorb
@oriorb 3 года назад
Still find it hilarious that audiophiles spend more on cables than retro gaming enthusiasts do on cables to transmit analog video (which is notorious for being prone to interference).
@nathanjones4039
@nathanjones4039 4 года назад
Blue Jeans Cable 10 gauge here, with locking bananas
@Sinnernine
@Sinnernine 3 года назад
Bruh 😭
@Adamhc75
@Adamhc75 4 года назад
I have had the same Monster cable XP for years. It has always served me well in both my car and home audio. I got it from a friend who got it with a gift card he won in a contest so.... It was "technically" free. :-) I have so much of it that I doubled it up for my high powered car audio system.
@davmar9923
@davmar9923 4 года назад
I use 12 ga speaker wire from Home Depot. The cables are terminated with soldered-on gold-plated banana plugs.
@mrwilliamwonder
@mrwilliamwonder 4 года назад
I think that cable is just copper plated, the cable will turn silver/grey over time.
@mrcheezle6
@mrcheezle6 4 года назад
That wiring is CCA (copper clad aluminum)While it still works fine, it has more resistance then OFC (oxygen free copper). Not knocking ya just giving you some info. I used to use CCA wire all the time with no issues.
@davmar9923
@davmar9923 4 года назад
Don't know what you use for a source of information but the product description for the 12 ga speaker wire sold by Home Depot states that it is 99.99% Oxygen Free Copper. You are apparently not the only person who is misinformed on this product, based on other comments.
@mrwilliamwonder
@mrwilliamwonder 4 года назад
@@davmar9923 Must have changed then, in the past it wasn’t. The stuff I bought there turned silver after time.
@ixfxi
@ixfxi 4 года назад
Yep, I too use stranded copper wire. Everything else is straight BS. FYI... easy test to confirm copper vs copper clad aluminum is to take a razor blade to it. The razor blade will easily remove the upper layer of copper and expose the alum.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics Год назад
It's amazing to me how people fight me over this on my channel. Thanks for making this video!
@dante19890
@dante19890 4 года назад
Dont know about speakers cables but different headphones and iem cables does change the sound somewhat
@vpconcepts9838
@vpconcepts9838 4 года назад
Andreas Tzimboukakis correct, and so do speaker cables. These naysayers don't have the time to get a pair & listen for themselves.
@icabodpsillycyberman414
@icabodpsillycyberman414 4 года назад
Change or improve?
@dante19890
@dante19890 4 года назад
@@icabodpsillycyberman414 change. But different cables can improve certain headphones.
@thebarfle
@thebarfle 4 года назад
To reply to Gene’s request about what cables I use - My fronts are studio monitors, so they don’t have cables in the sense that most speakers do. For my surrounds and ceiling speakers, I use 16/2. The requirements for those speakers are quite a bit less than for the fronts, and over the lengths of the runs (all under 20 feet), I don’t detect any issues.
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 года назад
Anyone who gives this a thumbs down is a jackass !!! Gene!! Well said brother. You are a man of trust and character. It takes a real person of value to stand up against an industry that he’s so integrated in!!
@stevenjackson8226
@stevenjackson8226 4 года назад
Again, sober, well-documented/supported, cogent discussion. I have a number of different types of cabling, mostly to explore and experiment. Most of it around or under the level of the Kimber 8TC; and I do use Kimber 8TC. I wanted to see whether cables might make a difference I would notice. I don't find much, if any sonic difference among different cabling - speaker, interconnects of different types connecting among different components. Of course, I'm already at the level of using what most folks would call very high-quality, if not over-the-top exotic, cables. A couple of things to share. I've had the situation where over time some OFC copper will begin to develop an oxidation layer inside the wire jacket. It will turn that green/brown color. It seems to be from an interaction between the copper and the materials used in the jacket. Not all OFC copper wire seems to do this. This green stuff doesn't help move a signal down the wire. When I was in high school, just getting into the audio hobby, I had just spent a big part of the money I'd earned from my summer jobs to buy Dynaco's best transistor electronics kits at the time - an ST-416 amplifier and PAT-5 BiFET preamp. I loved building them. I was so excited to hook them up. I grabbed some wire I had on hand and connected everything - and OMG, it sounded AWFUL. Nothing but distortion. I had connected the speakers using solid core copper bell wire. Well, I learned long time ago what wire doesn't work. Some 12AWG lamp cord and problem solved. Not so much to single out Blue Jean's - for a good thing , in this case. They are also straight-talking about cabling, and perhaps mixing this straight talk with some opining (which can also be useful). The wire/cable that they use is fine quality to start - lots of Belden and Canare. No issues there. For good-value basics, you can easily grab some some Belden or Canare, add some nice terminations, and DIY some very nice cable variations quickly, easily, and affordably.
@Wizardofgosz
@Wizardofgosz 4 года назад
I can't believe we live in a world where cable cosmetics matter. MADNESS. But my cables are blessed by the Pope.
@alexanderbelov6892
@alexanderbelov6892 4 года назад
Blessed by the Pope... This is new word in audio cables marketing... 😄
@Wizardofgosz
@Wizardofgosz 4 года назад
@@alexanderbelov6892 Indeed! They're a little cheaper if only a Cardinal blessed them. But you can save money by buying less expensive cables and having your local priest perform an exorcism.
@ishkabibbledib2729
@ishkabibbledib2729 4 года назад
@@Wizardofgosz Lol this is crazy.😆
@HiFi-JV
@HiFi-JV 2 года назад
Measuring electrical signals with electronic equippment on cables is like comparing the top speed of a Ferrari and a Fiat Uno in a traffic jam. It makes no sense. You have to measure the acoustic waves, that is what our ears listen to.
@jamieslater8991
@jamieslater8991 4 года назад
Cheers Gene. Once again brother, another good honest video. Saying hello from the UK. ✌👍
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 4 года назад
In the snob-o-sphere, they hate treble. If a 16" Paiste signature crash cymbal has that crisp attack and silvery decay it's just too bright and harsh. They need cables with built in filter circuits to gently roll off the treble so it's nice as "musical" , that is if you prefer a cymbal that sounds like it has gaffers tape on the edge.
@midevil1980
@midevil1980 4 года назад
Monoprice 12AWG wire has done me very well over the past few years! 😉👍
@UnworthySubject
@UnworthySubject 3 года назад
Try looking for something else. Bought a set of banana plugs from them and they have already started corroding. Didn't even use them for a week. Just had em laying around. I also bought some cheap Amazon speaker cable that was supposed to be pure oxygen free copper from Germany. Made my speakers sound awful. Used some speaker wire I had laying around and it brought back so much life into my speakers.
@j.t.cooper2963
@j.t.cooper2963 Год назад
@@UnworthySubject You're comparing apples to oranges. Just because you had their banana plugs tarnish on you doesn't mean their speaker wire is bad.
@phil393
@phil393 2 года назад
So glad youve cleared the cable thing for me. Im an absolute beginner in this and ive been umming an arring bout buying expensive cable, money which i do not have or would want to spend on cable,for your honesty youve got a new subscriber.
@russelhaxby6194
@russelhaxby6194 4 года назад
As usual, I watch a video about audio gear, and my good stuff is that guy's cheap stuff.
@zaoria123
@zaoria123 4 года назад
I use Nordost 4 flat speaker cables. They were recommended to me by a man with ears I absolutely trust. He's a respected audio engineer and uses Nordost cables himself.
@hermannmaischatz2695
@hermannmaischatz2695 4 года назад
Great video Gene. I have handcrafted my own cable with a total Awg of 6, more or less, which outperforms a solid core silver monocrystal cable of 100 times more expensive. I wanted to prove the expensive high end Audio industry wrong and yes Gene you are right. Exotic speaker cables are pure Snake Oil. These Snake Oil designs take a lot of people for a ride. Even I fell for that, but at least I am over it and know the truth now. Now I only use my Snake Oil cable as a comparison test against my design's. You are right Gene, it's all about resistance and what I found out is that a big part lies in linear frequency transfer of the Audio Bandwidth in a cable design I had a lot of fun designing that cable.
@anklebar1
@anklebar1 4 года назад
Thanks for not dumbing this down too much. Some of it was over my head but that’s how you learn. Great video!
@G.W.G.3
@G.W.G.3 4 года назад
I always felt that gauge and material are the determining factors over exotic claims...
@zogzog1063
@zogzog1063 2 года назад
Here we go again. It is almost spooky how someone can just give you the engineering without an angle. Thanks dude and best wishes from NZ.
@a0r0a7
@a0r0a7 4 года назад
Audiophiles still won't believe this. Great video and spot on information through testing 👍
@aussie8114
@aussie8114 4 года назад
The technical stuff goes over my head. We used a speaker cable made by a British company called Chord. The product was called Odyssey 2. It looked really nice and good material quality, I think it was about $20 per metre. It is silver coated oxygen free wire. It seems to be good.
@harrybaque5502
@harrybaque5502 4 года назад
Love my Blue Jean Cables!
@bareknuckles2u
@bareknuckles2u 3 года назад
Some cable companies don't even report what gauge the cable is. Imagine that!
@stevenichols5708
@stevenichols5708 4 года назад
Great video. I wonder if one day we might see a video renouncing your position on cables like we saw on digital amps and turntables;) ?
@steveo4141
@steveo4141 3 года назад
Y would you.... as long as the cable is the right gauge that's it.....the speaker requires enough power to be driven that's all... anyone saying they can hear a difference in quality based on cable expence is FOS.
@malcolmemsley5909
@malcolmemsley5909 Год назад
I have worked my way up now at almost 70 yrs old I have a very high end system, but I do not have any expensive cables apart from one balanced Hi Diamond. Speaker cable is Canare 4S11 from Blue Jeans and interconnects are Belden Coax all after watching Audioholics. I am no electrical engineer but this guy is, and when experience speaks a wise man listens. In A/B comparisons with the interconnects Belden v Hi Diamond 1 balanced. Apart from a drop in the volume of the H.D. I can not decearn any difference. I have always struggled to hear differences with speaker cables. My only question is would OCC be better than OFC or would the difference be so difficult to detect as to not be worth while. Also if differences arent pretty clear then my policy is dont bother if you have to keep plugging in and out and dont feel sure.
@mattmcdade2284
@mattmcdade2284 Год назад
I use two runs of CAT 6 wire per post (2 positive and 2 on the negative).It cost me $63 for a thousand foot spool. My speakers definitely sounded a little brighter than the monster cable it replaced.
@Steve-GM0HUU
@Steve-GM0HUU 4 года назад
Good video thanks. I have had discussions with a few audiophiles over the years who told me (who has a background in electronics and RF) I didn't know what I was talking about when I suggested they may as well use thick gauge mains flex instead of the fancy expensive speakers cable they had shelled out a small fortune for. Tried explaining basic transmission line theory and that at audio frequencies for short runs they didn't need to worry about capacitance/inductance or skin effect. They wouldn't believe me, said the expensive stuff sounded noticeably better. I gave up in the end.
@richardelliott8352
@richardelliott8352 8 месяцев назад
a quick analysis of the mechanisms of human hearing might have made your point. The human brain has no self awareness , and since human hearing is a process of the brain, everything is right that it hears. It will report what you expect to hear as real, even if it hears nothing . Hearing tests have a built error percentage, you score within a range, not on absolute accuracy. because people trying to hear test tones will report hearing tones that weren't there. much like the famous wine tests where taste was influenced by the expectations of the switched bottle labels it all goes back to human development, when we first came out if the trees and into the tall grass. Keeping off the menu by suddenly scattering like birds for no reason turned out to be a stronger evolutionary path than the guys who wanted to stop and consider if they heard something. But we can do which way to run remarkably well , being able to tell distance, location and speed of a distant sound through and open window. It's just the original reality that you can't trust, much like the brain processing optical illusions .
@86Ivar
@86Ivar 2 года назад
Would be cool to see a test with the cheapest scrap cable you can find vs some hifi ones. Matching the resistance of course.
@totalbliss1
@totalbliss1 4 года назад
Have you tried the Purple Rain cables? Nothing compares to it. They're purified in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. It makes your speakers sound like doves crying.
@mrwilliamwonder
@mrwilliamwonder 4 года назад
prince should’ve sold his own line of cables...it would be cool to have some purple ones.
@ntnt1965
@ntnt1965 4 года назад
Big Yessss from a non believer, Western Electric WE16GA VW-1 which are made with a mix of tin and cooper (tin is better conductor than cooper) is like adding a new dac to your equipment, also glass toslink cable with 400 or 200 strands are way to better than any top sales cable at Amazon.
@darylloth3237
@darylloth3237 4 года назад
"Bragging rights"? I thought you were supposed to brag whenever you did something INTELLIGENT!
@mikulasberka7999
@mikulasberka7999 4 года назад
Not in this century :)
@waynetai3548
@waynetai3548 4 года назад
Or when one becomes Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet or Mother Theresa. Good overall video, Gene.
@volleyballjerry
@volleyballjerry Год назад
Absolutely awesome video. To answer Gene's question, I use custom handmade cables out of 12 AWG THHN stranded copper rated at 105 degrees C at a maximum of 600 volts. Twelve twists per foot, 10 feet in length. [Since I built them myself, I made them the *exact* perfect length so no looping on the floor!] The cost was nearly zero since the company I worked for was doing remodeling and throwing wire in the trash right and left before recycling was a thing. My system sounds absolutely spectacular. Yamaha receiver pushing 130 watts x 2. Speaker cabinets I also custom built with Pioneer and Focal drivers - and Dayton three way crossovers and L-pads - hand tuned with RTA. The entire system probably cost me under $1,000.00 and after 20 years I would stand it up to any of the systems Sound by Singer sells for ten times as much. Most of the real cost is the long hours building the speaker cabinets. The cables took me *maybe* five minutes each including tinning the ends and soldering the terminations on.
@T_B_C_L
@T_B_C_L 4 года назад
I soak my speaker cables In Holy water 😂 🤣 😂. Another awesome informative video Gene, ty sir!
@fonkenful
@fonkenful 4 года назад
The Blue Collar Life that only works if the Holy Water was cycled through cryogenic treatment process, otherwise just use albino unicorn tears.
@Richard-bq3ni
@Richard-bq3ni 4 года назад
Holy water only improves gospel.
@asadhafeez7713
@asadhafeez7713 4 года назад
Nice, helpful video. Just like any other segment of our lives, companies are desperately trying to do what they can to profit, even if that means keeping us misinformed and confused. It really is a HUGE roadblock in our quest to achieve the best in audio performance. Components and speakers are the real difference makers.
@retroforce6919
@retroforce6919 4 года назад
I use Monoprice 14 gauge speaker cables, it's reasonable in price and it works.😉👍
@berthacdellasala
@berthacdellasala 4 года назад
Yes it does
@WarthogDoctor
@WarthogDoctor 4 года назад
And just Bi-wire it for long runs or high power situations.
@alfredoltinocol
@alfredoltinocol 4 года назад
Excellent video, clear facts and a money saver. Thanks Gene!
@juliocubias9600
@juliocubias9600 4 года назад
Gene and Audioholics are the ultimate snake oil antidote !!!
@_Chev_Chelios
@_Chev_Chelios 4 года назад
One of the clunky, rattly, and awkward banana connectors that came on my Blue Jeans speaker cables, broke off the cable. The connector just fell off! It affected the sound (negatively). And they really do look like crap.
@Audioholics
@Audioholics 4 года назад
I'm not too thrilled with the banana connectors BJC uses and lobbying them to change them.
@_Chev_Chelios
@_Chev_Chelios 4 года назад
Audioholics, I’m crossing my fingers that you succeed!
@Rometiklan
@Rometiklan 4 года назад
Companies who make these expensive cables must hate you, Gene. You inform and educate the masses and I'm sure those companies would rather have people kept in the dark about the truth.
@rb032682
@rb032682 4 года назад
I have eliminated all issues regarding speaker cables. I use powered studio monitors.
@animalmuppetmonster664
@animalmuppetmonster664 4 года назад
I am with you men, but we are killing the audiofilia world by saying this.
@eran1081
@eran1081 4 года назад
@@animalmuppetmonster664 Same here. sound is way better and it also eliminates all the amp vs whatever endless bullshit.
@acutube50
@acutube50 Год назад
My secret ritual for getting the best out of my cables? I watch videos like this, and then play some music and relax...
@maxs.8146
@maxs.8146 4 года назад
What happened with Hugo?
@Audioholics
@Audioholics 4 года назад
He was with me as a force ghost 👻 guiding the video.
@j.j.hunsecker3009
@j.j.hunsecker3009 2 года назад
So great! (just picked/bought cables last week and chose the blue jeans you started with, before I saw this, love it). Thank you for doing these.
@SwirlingDragonMist
@SwirlingDragonMist 4 года назад
It’s also worth noting, that copper is what you want to use. Not aluminum or steel, you can buy really cheap wire at Home Depot, fresh cut off the spool. Some of it is even called speaker wire, and it’s easy to be so gauge minded that you forget to check the materials. Silver’s the best, but dollar for dollar, you get better performance by doubling up on copper. Copper/silver commodity prices are much further apart than the performance is, copper is roughly 95% as good, silver being 7% better, (59/63) and copper fluctuates from 10% to 30% the cost of silver historically over decades, and thousands of years of history as well. seekingalpha.com/article/4181917-copper-silver-ratio-range-for-thousands-of-years
@gerard6771
@gerard6771 Год назад
I once bought a secondhand Audioquest Gibraltar cable that performed much better than my QED Revelation signature. In the end, I discovered the QED where flawed or badly designed. Nowadays, I use SVS cables , several times less expensive than Audioquest and there is no difference in sound. By the way, they look nice and are more flexible and easier to use.
@amazoidal
@amazoidal 4 года назад
The Kimber Cable is a lot longer than it looks because of the weave.
@grahamserle7930
@grahamserle7930 3 года назад
I respect my opinion Gene because that has been my experience as well. There are some and you probably know who they are that obsess over cable differences and I'm not suggesting that there aren't, but as you say, picking an audible difference between a reasonably priced quality cable and a supposedly high end expensive one is like splitting hairs in my opinion and I have a good ear for that stiff. Apparently you can pick the difference if everything about your system, placement and room is perfect. Do we believe that the earth is flat as well or am I missing something?
@WeebLabs
@WeebLabs 4 года назад
You don't use coat hangers as speaker cable? Pffft.
@jamesfarnsworth6255
@jamesfarnsworth6255 3 года назад
Gene has single handedly saved me thousands!!! Thank you sir!!
@benboyer2776
@benboyer2776 4 года назад
I personally use Sewell Silverback 12AWG speaker cable, seems to work fine...
@mrwilliamwonder
@mrwilliamwonder 4 года назад
Yep, that’s whatI use as well.
@kawada1
@kawada1 4 года назад
I used them too, super thick cables. But I had to take off the banana plugs to replace with pin connectors on my vintage Sansui receiver.
@2wrdr
@2wrdr Год назад
While I've worked in Electrical Engineering for 25+ years, I only have a diploma in Electronics Technologies focused on in the RF area and always had a passion for audio. For what it's worth I'll back this guy 100% even exceeding how little is needed in what's stated when I consider what's necessary in HiFi audio for cables. All of this because we are referencing . To put it bluntly, hi-fi cable companies thrive on the ignorance of the average "Audiophile". They know they can take 1% truth and fool the average audiophile into buying their products. IF, we were talking Radio Frequency cables more of which these companies try to sell folks on could be taken a little more seriously. LISTEN, to people who have real education in such subjects and not folks who stand to profit from potential deception. My rule to average hi-fi listeners is 70~80 percent into speakers, spend the rest as you see fit. To those with $$$, start with your room, then your speakers, then the rest as you see fit. In both cases high dollar cables are simply a waste of your hard earned $ because good quality cables are actually very cheap in the big picture.
@haroldsimpson3308
@haroldsimpson3308 4 года назад
Hey Gene. Love the videos,always learning something I try to use.My question is,I just went to Sewell Silverback 12awg..It uses 259 strands per conductor. They say it brings out tighter base,cleaner highs,better mids.(don't they all say that?)..I feel I hear a slight difference, maybe it's just hope.can you give some input on the cable.thanks.
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts 4 года назад
Capacitance makes the most difference to highs and speaker cables don't have enough capacitance to affect audio unless they are made as flat plates next to each other. As for mids, they need very low current so resistance no problem and are even less affected by cable capacitance (and still not enough inductance to affect them). As for bass, here is where you may get a slight difference only if your other cables were a lighter guage (thinner) since bass requires the most current. The bass will be a little lower in volume if you have light guage (you turn it up to '11' and you get '9'). That's my take on speaker cables. Forget it. Buy a better tweeter or mid driver with the money you save and you will get a result you can hear and love :)
@bradleysmith681
@bradleysmith681 4 года назад
Thank you for sticking to (and explaining) the science. Great video!
@jamiermathlin
@jamiermathlin 4 года назад
so so true, thanks for some common electrical sense !
@jackdale9249
@jackdale9249 23 дня назад
funny how some here STILL stick up for their high priced cables !
@shuckylad
@shuckylad 4 года назад
I hear differences in all cables. In my experience the cheapest sounds worst. I may well be cursed but it’s the truth. I wish I didn’t hear. Difference but I do. 😕
@irisfailsafe
@irisfailsafe 4 года назад
You should make a blind test when you hear but you don't know what you are listening to
@mrcheezle6
@mrcheezle6 4 года назад
I highly doubt this. Unless you have done a double blind test in a controlled room its all placebo effect
@shuckylad
@shuckylad 4 года назад
Tom Lucas Hi Tom, thanks for your reply. Interestingly I set up a desktop set up last weekend having purchased a nad 316bee. Now this set up is 90% used for gaming so no critical listening at all. But I enjoy good audio when I game. I set everything in place, speakers (Dali) the nad and my arcam irdac. I have various speaker cables in a box, the two sets that were perfect length were both the same price roughly £10 per meter. So absolutely no preference at all one made by qed and one by chord. Tried both and instantly could hear a difference in each cable. I used what I preferred. I’d confidently say in a blind test I’d pick out which was which it was that obvious. 🙂
@runetech
@runetech 4 года назад
Finally a reasonable video about speaker cables. One thing about testing and comparing speaker cables. Before you take out your original cables and put the new ones in. Reseat your old ones. Clean the contacts and reattach them first! Then switch in the new cables. The majority of wow-factor difference between two pair of reasonably good to great speaker cables is just because the termination is different now. Do this reseating and cleaning regularly and you get to enjoy the "wow"-factor several times a year without spending anything.
@Finite-Tuning
@Finite-Tuning 4 года назад
If it makes no difference electrically then it will make no difference sonically! When possible, purchase your cables by 'least electrical resistance' using a good OHM meter as your compass rather than some artificial price tag.
@Jacknjellify531.
@Jacknjellify531. 4 года назад
Is there some study done to prove this ?
@Finite-Tuning
@Finite-Tuning 4 года назад
@@Jacknjellify531. Are you not aware of the study you just watched? Otherwise, the study and science of mechanics, electricity and the two combined as Electromechanics should clue you in to the endless thousands of studies in just this past 100 years. Theories run wild in forums, but OHMS law still reigns supreme! So in your life when you have a mechanical device (speaker) that is very specifically 'electrically' driven and you want a different outcome from null, then you only have one of two choices to make! Change it electrically, or change it mechanically. If said change makes no difference, then you like the rest of us have learned yet another way to fail, and another reason why more money spent don't mean a damn thing!
@Jacknjellify531.
@Jacknjellify531. 4 года назад
Finite Tuning i don’t consider this as a study, i was hoping for more from gene other than just pulling out already published numbers from the web. I ve swapped a few 12-16 ga copper wires running lengths no more than 2-3 meters each side, from good brand names in my system & i do hear a difference in the HF or a cable swap giving a stronger LF output, & i cant understand why. Science says it shouldn’t make a difference but i hear them & they aren’t subtle. I urged gene to cover this topic a little deeper maybe with REW to show the frequency charts but this was a lazy effort in my opinion.
@Finite-Tuning
@Finite-Tuning 4 года назад
@@Jacknjellify531. Okay, you clearly have a system that you care about, and since you already know about REW. Why not do you own testing to prove us right or wrong?
@Jacknjellify531.
@Jacknjellify531. 4 года назад
Finite Tuning i dont own a REW mic, gene sure does, plus he’s way more knowledgeable abt this stuff, i hope he makes a part ii of this. And include more cables, cca, silver, amazonbasics.
@DarthChainsaw
@DarthChainsaw 4 года назад
Great video. BJC sound just fine in my system. Would be great if you did one on RCA cables also!
@Jacknjellify531.
@Jacknjellify531. 4 года назад
Not interested in the db difference between cables, what i wanna know is do they sound different, you haven’t covered that one comprehensively, you said “ i didnt hear 👂🏻 any difference “ thats NOT scientific, cant you use REW to show the frequency chart between cables. Also why wasn’t amazon basics speaker cable included in this study, they sell a 12ga copper speaker cable ( cuz its sold in so many countries ) the cables you tested here kimber & bluejeans isn’t available or its very expensive outside the usa.
@John_Merrick
@John_Merrick Год назад
Bought a Rogue Sphinx v3 and Klipsch RP8000 speakers and a schiit Bifrost dac. I was using plain old speaker cable and then bought a cheap used set of Audioquest Rocket33. I'm new to stereo equipment but a lifelong musician with a trained ear. The difference was stark. My wife noticed the improvement, and I hadn't even told her I'd done anything different. I'd prefer cables to not make a difference and save money, but it seems that to me they do. Perhaps it depends on the system.
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