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Do Fume Extractors Really Work? - Kevin Caron

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From www.kevincaron.com - Artist Kevin Caron shares why he bought a fume extractor for his metalworking studio, then tests its ability to draw away smoke, fumes and particles ....
Kevin Caron is going to fire up his AHP AlphaMIG 250 to do some stick welding to test a new tool: a fume extractor.
You know that crud that obscures your welding helmet faceshield after stick welding or MIG welding? Well, that's actually stuff you're breathing. Kevin Caron has had six sinus surgeries. When the biopsy came back on the last one, the doctor asked him what he was snorting. That's from the welding.
Kevin Caron tried a number of different ways to breathe cleaner air, from the white cotton dust mask to a respirator with the cartridges on it (it was hard to fit it in the helmet).
So bought a fume extractor. There are some options: big ones that mount on the ceiling and suck up the air in the whole shop, and portable ones that can be positioned where you are welding and let it do all the work there. He bought the portable fume extractor.
Now the biggest question is: How well does it work?
Kevin Caron has some 1/8" plate clamped to his worktable, and some 7018 1/8" diameter rod. Using the AHP AlphaMIG 250, he runs a bead with the fume extractor's hood right over the top of it. It is easy to see the smoke being sucked into the fume extractor.
Next he moves the piece of metal farther away, and the fume extractor still clearly pulls in the smoke and particles inside it. Kevin Caron moves the metal two more times, with the extractor finally not having much of an effect because of its distance from the welding.
Kevin Caron says he could even see the fumes being drawn upward as he was welding. The fume extractor has a pretty good suction rate.
Kevin Caron also says his nose has been a lot happier since he began using it. If you are doing a lot of stick welding or MIG welding, he recommends you consider a fume extractor for your own heatlh and safety.
He's going back to work, so you have time to visit www.kevincaron.com to see more how to videos and his amazing sculpture.
Well, you might want to stay around for another moment to see Kevin get ready for lunch - DON'T MISS THIS ONE!
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@h2oslider242 2 месяца назад

My shop uses fume extractors that are part of the welding gun, so the fumes are extracted right at the source. Extremely effective.

@KevincaronSculpture 2 месяца назад

That sounds like a much better way to do this. Have to get a look at that setup someday.

@h2oslider242 2 месяца назад

@@KevincaronSculpture I brought Cal OSHA into my shop for 3 days and tested various things, nothing compared for keeping my guys safe

@messylaura 5 лет назад

those fume extractors work well but we lost two cats and an apprentice to one before we figured out the right suction i have a funnel on the portable dust vaccum that does a decent job too

@FrequencyOfThought 5 лет назад

Yeah I can't imagine these people who sub to this kind of channel having the money to dump into a glorified inline fan with a filter on it .

@thesweetcabinoffgrid7988 5 лет назад

@@FrequencyOfThought I do.

@FrequencyOfThought 5 лет назад

@@thesweetcabinoffgrid7988 Sure you do preper boy

@thesweetcabinoffgrid7988 5 лет назад

@@FrequencyOfThought considering I own a stainless company, yeah this Prepper boy does

@FrequencyOfThought 5 лет назад

@@thesweetcabinoffgrid7988 Stainless silverware or ?

@om617yota8 5 лет назад

Thanks Kevin, great tip. I use a 3M soft respirator with the 2091 cartridges. Fits under welding helmets just fine and no more black boogers after welding.

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Had one like that for a while. The elastic headbend dies one day and I never got around to getting a new one. Always felt like I was suffocating when I wore it.

@robertoswalt319 5 лет назад

Great demo. I was amazed at how far that was able to pull the fumes. I have been thinking about doing something to vent the fumes coming from my lathe.

@mikenetherlin1209 5 лет назад

Works, i usually turn a fan on to blow fumes out side. Thanks for the video, have amgood day.

@rebelequipment7262 5 лет назад

Thank you for the demonstration I had been debating on what type to get for my own shop. Seeing how far it could pull those fumes really helped me decide.

@keithharmon2056 5 лет назад

Thanks, Kevin I will look into getting one for my shop also. maybe that's the reason I can't breathe.

@ericlau1782 3 года назад

You are good friend,

@ThisGuyAudit 2 года назад

Thanks, that demonstration helped quite a bit

@KevincaronSculpture 2 года назад

Amazing how well this thing works?

@Justinicus24 3 года назад

Great explanation. I always use a p100 repsirator. Proper fume extraction and ventilation is also great, but id use both for extra satey

@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад

Got to take care of the lungs! You only get 2 and it's kind of important! Thanks for watching and posting.

@vrr2201 3 года назад

I have my TIG setup in my apartment. need a miniature version of this for Stainless welding. right now using fan above the cooking range.

@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад

So build an extension for the range hood! Add some piping and you are good to go.

@theonlybuzz1969 5 лет назад

I won’t do any operation at work, whether cutting, grinding and linishing, then there’s all the other welding processes I do. Best thing ever....

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Thanks for watching and posting Phil!

@theonlybuzz1969 5 лет назад

Kevin Caron, Artist and you and your good mrs keep up the great work you guys both do, and we will keep on watching for sure.👍

@ArtfullyRogue 5 лет назад

I think I might need to get an extractor. I've noticed my sinuses giving me problems. If you ever have open shop days I'd love to stop by and check out your set up. Thanks for sharing

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Open studio is next month! Check my website and sign up for the newsletter. Or just give me a call and I can fill you in. Number is on my website as well.

@jaydendavis7596 5 лет назад

I do a fair bit of stick welding and I sure do hate the smoke. I use my everlast welder as much as I can for practice so a fume extractor would be great to keep the area breathable.

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

I hate the noise but I can sure breath easier.

@sogno2me 3 года назад

Kevin, excellent video and great demonstration. I’m building one right now. Your video was very helpful. A big thumbs up.

@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@GTRliffe Год назад

A backdraft fixture works well in upholstery glue applications, that same idea would work well for fumes

@KevincaronSculpture Год назад

Just need a bigger sucker to get all the fumes.

@loadpin 5 лет назад

Great video, that’s amazing how far it would pull the fumes from. Could you tell us what make and model your using.

@jonathankerner2094 3 года назад

that's my question, too. Very good demonstration.

@MCAndyT 3 года назад

I saw him post this below: "www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V."

@dennispittman4555 5 лет назад

As always great content, thank you for the knowledge

@Aardrijk1 5 лет назад

Snazzy! Someday... I'll add to the list. 😁

@Aardrijk1 5 лет назад

@Brandon S any recommendations for a draw fan? The rest would be no issue.

@tomdavis1341 6 месяцев назад

Turn the nozzle a bit to horizontal and put it next to the workpiece. You want to draw fumes away from your face.

@neil1150 5 лет назад

I've not welded anything for a couple of months now, yet as soon as you started my imagination could smell the fumes. Lol

@christineli8433 5 лет назад

Don you use fume extractor while operating ?

@oldowl4290 5 лет назад

I wonder how necessary a fume extractor is for part-time MIG welding indoors in a confined / sealed garage that is ~20ft x 20ft x 12ft tall. It's winter right now and I want to weld in my closed garage and keep it closed for several hours at a time to hold in heat. Being cold out (around 40-50F) I have a propane heater to get the room up around 60-65 degrees. Burning propane produces CO (Carbon Monoxide) which is of course very dangerous in high amounts. And it will produce more CO than normal as oxygen levels decrease. I also know C25 shield gas (25% C02 /75% Argon) is not flammable but it does displace oxygen too and at some point if enough exists it can cause asphyxiation just as CO does. CO2 is heavier than CO and I don't know if standard air (78% nitrogen / 21% oxygen) maybe sits somewhat in the middle. Therefore I am thinking of buying an 02 (oxygen) meter / sensor to stay aware of what the oxygen % level is and then open a door as necessary as it lowers below a safe margin (and if I haven't already passed out lol). - Regardless, the goal is to keep my hot air inside as much as possible because having to re-heat a room every hour or less with propane will quickly get expensive. And If I use something like a fume extractor or blower vented outside it's obviously going to suck out my hot air along with any fumes or smoke. I'd also guess that unless the extractor is directly over the weld, it may not grab all of the C25 gas either. In any case, the more C25 there is in the air it will further reduce oxygen content which again, will in turn help to raise the CO content from the heater. Anyway, have you ever given thought to this and what do you do? I realize your climate in Phoenix is pretty mild even in winter months and that you probably don't need to heat and or vent much.

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

I would look at just a blower to vent to the outside. You will be making lots of heat with the welding but the smoke and toxic fumes will build up and you will have problems for that if you stay closed up tight. I will leave a door cracked open just a little to help with the air flow in my studio. I have 2 large vents up high on 2 walls so fumes can rise and vent out. I like the fume extractor that I have but it does take up some floor space.

@oldowl4290 5 лет назад

@@KevincaronSculpture Yeah, I'm very limited on space. I think I'm going to go the DIY route with a portable 8" ventilator from HF and some 10" flex duct. I also saw another video with a guy who successfully rigged up a shield with an umbrella and has his duct on a gantry arm. An umbrella is likely a little flammable but it did a good job and could also be sealed with aluminum foil duct tape I suppose. Lastly, I haven't been able to find any concrete info on dangers / side effects from C25 aside from the asphyxiation aspect. Do you know of any in particular? I know MIG doesn't really produce much smoke but whenever so I'd like to know the specific carcinogens from burning steel? (I know there are some with stainless, aluminum, etc). - PS..enjoy the rain. We got really hammered today in San Diego. Cheers!

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Sorry, really not up on what kind of ick MIG welding puts out. I just know that the black buggers I blow out of my nose can't be doing me any good. Your dyi idea sounds like it should work just fine. Just be careful and think things through. Thanks for watching!

@77Avadon77 Год назад

Even with tig after a while the fumes start to make you sick. You need extraction no matter what or how you're welding

@KevincaronSculpture Год назад

If you weld all day in a closed space, you should have better ventilation. I only weld for a few minutes at a time and have not had a problem.

@sergiomissaglia6380 Год назад

The one in my dad's shop is powered by a 13.3 Hp engine and when you turn it on you can feel the air moving inside the entire shop. The only bummer is that you have to move the pieces to the "working area" ...

@KevincaronSculpture Год назад

Now that is a fume sucker!!!! Thank you for watching and posting.

@jasonmushersee 5 лет назад

and metal fabrication shops that don't have these it's dark as a cave. imagine what that does to the lungs

@Lanninglongarmmowing 5 лет назад

Is there an affordable fume extractor available? All the ones I've seen are super expensive.

@FrequencyOfThought 5 лет назад

It's called DIY I made mine in 1 day from shit I sourced locally from harbor freight and hardware stores.

@migmagingenieria 4 года назад

Good demo vid, thanks for sharing man!!! One question, what is that fume extractor air volume rated for? How many CFM was it moving during the shot? Thanks and good luck!!!

@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад

1250 cfm running on 220 volt like this one.

@Eagle_1985 2 года назад

Boy i sure wish you could of showed us what kind of fan you got

@KevincaronSculpture 2 года назад

Sorry but it seems Covid killed them. Website is no longer there.

@Eagle_1985 2 года назад

@@KevincaronSculpture sorry, but what does that have to do with anything ? …. Do you mean his you tube channel ?

@pgs8597 5 лет назад

Thanks for the video and I bet your order wasn’t correct. Cheers Peter

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Anything is possible now days.

@andrewsanders6270 2 года назад

I quit in a macine shop a few years ago because it was filled with welding smoke and fumes . It was a small hillbilly operation , he said oh it wont hurt you ! The owner and other guy both have heart problems. Its bad for you I wont work in it, not worth it to me when it can be easily prevented .

@KevincaronSculpture 2 года назад

Amen Brother!

@andrewsanders6270 2 года назад

@@KevincaronSculpture You can make one pretty easily as well using those inline blowers from Lowes , home depot , and pvc pipe . It looks really good to and you can paint the pipes if desired . You put a restriction plate in them / slider so you can control the amount of restriction . They are great for cnc machines as well and no expensive , messy , unrelible filters to deal with !

@77Avadon77 Год назад

Is it better to do fume extraction from the top or the bottom?

@KevincaronSculpture Год назад

I would assume that the rising hot fumes from welding will be better collected from the top.

@77Avadon77 Год назад

@@KevincaronSculpture That's kind of what I've been thinking.

@eddyboh2723 3 года назад

Can you use a vacuum cleaner to suck welding fumes?

@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад

Yes, but that is the wrong type of filter to do any good.

@eddyboh2723 3 года назад

@@KevincaronSculpture Do you need a suction vent for electric spot welder?

@tomherd4179 5 лет назад

I fully agree with you that they are useful and $$, but for a home hobbyist I guess I will still have to stay with my fan.

@fxm5715 5 лет назад

For not much $$ and a little effort, you can get pretty close. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1WZKSfNKDGU.html

@shockadellick 5 лет назад

Cut a circle hole in your wall for a outlet hose. Buy a 6 to 8 inch inline fan. Attach the outlet to the hole in the wall. Modify a hood to attach to your inlet inline fan, and pipe the crap outdoors. Cheap and very effective. The environment can handle it. Millions if not billons, somewhere on this planet are welding out doors. So to the nay-sayers please don't chime in how its hurting the planet to pipe it out without a filter. Those who believe its wrong to weld without a filter...please stop welding outdoors.

@tomherd4179 5 лет назад

I like that idea. I have a exhaust fan now but it is not that close to where I weld. A flexible hose could make all the difference. Thanks :-)

@namecollision 5 лет назад

Nice demo. What brand/model did you get? Thanks, Andy

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Found it!! www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V.

@brians5088 5 лет назад

What portable fume extractor are you using? And thanks for sharing!

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V.

@christineli8433 5 лет назад

Here is the one my friend is using now zhqizhou.en.alibaba.com

@rvalcourtpersonaca 5 лет назад

I find them quite expensive, if you’re a hobby welder.

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Very true!

@survivalguyfyi5718 5 лет назад

You are correct. They start at around 3k for a full size unit. Not the little micro bench top ones. I chose an Avani fume extractor because it is the only one I found with a lifetime Warrantee and it has an air hose inlet to self clean the filters. I weld part time as a side business though. I told my wife “I can spend $5,500 now on the Avani or or $500,000 later on fighting cancer. It’s up to you”. Ha ha. She couldn’t say no. It’s all in how you sell it to the wife. I will say. It is amazing. And a tax write off.

@survivalguyfyi5718 5 лет назад

I started off with a harbor freight air mover and flexible ducting that is made to fit the air mover. Bought it at harbor freight. The whole set up was around $100 I think. I ran the duct to a sheet of plywood with a hole cut out of it and attached that in front of my shop window to vent the smoke out of my building. It worked pretty good for the price. Got me by for a few years.

@rvalcourtpersonaca 5 лет назад

survivalguy fyi I think I’m going to look into something like that for the time being. I’m working out of a double car attached garage and the smoke is getting into the house. My wife’s not to happy with that.

@survivalguyfyi5718 5 лет назад

shockadellick , I hear you. That’s actually what I started off with. It worked OK but I have a shop full of equipment so I was really only able to weld in one designated spot in my shop due to the long vent hose dragging everywhere. I couldn’t really position the vent fan correctly. It really needs to be above your work piece. When I got the fume extractor, it really was a good upgrade. Having the extractor arm let me position right where I needed it for the best extraction. I can also roll it around anywhere in my shop. Great when welding big and oddly shaped things. I do agree and recommend your suggestion for people on a budget. Really is no comparison though. The Avani fume extractor rocks!

@PedroFerreira-qy5du 4 года назад

What about the TIG process? Do you need the same type of ventilation?

@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад

Not as much but is nice to have.

@soulassassin6506 3 года назад

Testing out binzel rab fume extraction mig torch this week, extracts from source, half the size hope its good. The portable extraction in this video have at work they just sit in corner doing nothing 😔

@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад

Sounds great!

@jonathankerner2094 3 года назад

Hey Kevin, do you think 750 cfm fume extraction is enough for welding? I have a limited budget, so the 1200s are a bit out of reach.

@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад

Some is better than nothing! Yes, get it and breathe a little bit easier.

@jonathankerner2094 3 года назад

So as a follow-up I found the Baileigh FE-1200 and that has 1100 CFM and that's the one I'm going with I'm sure it'll be great!

@jonathankerner2094 3 года назад

@@KevincaronSculpture thanks - getting the Baileigh FE-1200

@joesledrider8530 2 года назад

Do you know how many CFM the extractor has? That would be useful information.

@joesledrider8530 2 года назад

Never mine i see it below 1250 CFM right.

@romakayak 5 лет назад

What is the power consumption of a device like this and could it extract grinding dust?

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Have to check the specs to be sure but not much. I have it running on 220volt so I would assume less than 5 amps. As to grinder dust, I don't think it will work for that. The dust will clog the filters very quickly.

@Jim37176 9 месяцев назад

Looks like you need to move back from the weld a bit. You'll also be able to see what your doing a little better

@KevincaronSculpture 9 месяцев назад

I am always moving this thing around! It never seems to be in the "correct" place. Thank you for watching and posting.

@LestonDr 5 лет назад

Thanks Kevin. did you make the extractor? Is it vented outside? If vented back in space, how is it filtered?

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

No I didn't make this extractor. It is vented out the top of the unit so it has 3 very fine filters inside. Don't remember the name off the top of my head.

@mingjae7309 4 года назад

Hi, at what cfm do your exhast fan can held? I think the suction rate will depend on the fan quality to

@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад

I think it's 1200 cfm. Have to check the book and it's not where I am.

@Enonymouse_ 2 года назад

What fume extractor did you settle on? I'm still looking and my budget is not that good.

@KevincaronSculpture 2 года назад

One of these..www.air-quality-eng.com/products/m33v-air-filtration-system/

@ypop417 5 лет назад

The only problem, if it is too close, can take away shielding gas from mig and tig welding

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Very True! The manual says 15 to 18 inches away.

@SuperQualifyed 5 лет назад

have you had any issues with the fume extractor pulling argon away from the weld with mig?

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

No problems that I have seen.

@behemothinferno 3 года назад

They should really integrate a small hose at the business end of Stick and MIG welders to suck the fumes from that point.

@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад

That sounds like a great idea! Have to play with this and see how it works.

@zanpekosak2383 3 года назад

They do...its just a fairly expencive setup as it has to remove the fumes but not affect the gas flow.

@MT-rg4dm 3 года назад

Where did you get your fume extractor

@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад

www.air-quality-eng.com/products/f33v-air-filtration-system/

@matttaimuty5397 5 лет назад

Kevin, what brand/model fume extractor is that. Works a treat!

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Don't remember off the top of my head. Will check in the morning and post the name and model.

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Found it!! www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V.

@matttaimuty5397 5 лет назад

@@KevincaronSculpture Thank you Kevin

@randigarner3575 5 лет назад

I need that for my shop, so tell us about the extractor. What kind the ,big one how much.

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Will post more details in a day or so.

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Found it!! www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V.

@randigarner3575 5 лет назад

Thank you!

@ghettobikelife8833 5 лет назад

They’ll definitely remove the smoke and particulate but won’t all the actual dangerous gases just go thru the filter and be exhausted back into the room?

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

I know there are 3 different types of filters in this machine. Pretty sure it is getting out all the nasty stuff.

@ghettobikelife8833 5 лет назад

True there’s probably an activated carbon in there. The one I have access to is just a huge folded-paper filter

@GibClark 5 лет назад

Nice 👍👍👍👍

@ultragamingag 5 лет назад

This is great but, if you move realy often or have big parts than you need to take this extraktor every time with you . And when you are grinding something this will not help realy. I use a Speedglas 9100 FX XXi with an Adflo System it works great and you can wear this helmet all the day and it will blow you clean air in your lungs . After I used it once i will never go back to put some Dustmask and a faceshild on for grinding :) You realy need to try it out .

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Will give it a look and see how it works. Thanks for the tip.

@ultragamingag 5 лет назад

@@KevincaronSculpture I'm Sure you will love it ;)

@petermetcher 4 года назад

I really like my Speedglas 9100, but it doesn't protect the others in the house, so I'm thinking of getting a fume extraction system.

@pilotmike797 5 лет назад

5000 dollars for clean air

@razvanon 5 лет назад

1:04 now the big question is : isn't it too late ?!

@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад

Probably yeah, it's too late.

@giantsquidy3491 4 года назад

There are also cheaper manners of fume extractors. That, and really nice PAPR hoods aren't totally out of budget if you're a career metal worker/welder. Either way, do something about fumes. Don't breath that stuff in. Metal and gas fumes, as well as particulates, are the last realms of safety that welding culture is finally realizing, and most of the long-term health effects of welding are mostly from what's inhaled in the process. One old-timer I work with has COPD and the other has Parkinson's like tremors.

@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад

Important information here!!!! Thank you for watching and posting.