Do Germans learn about the Nazis? 

Dann schau mal nach Frankreich, wo Napoleon Bonaparte in Teilen noch immer als der große Nationalheld verehrt wird. Und nicht als derjeniege der Europa mit Kriegen, Unterdrückung und Leid übersäät hat.

Oh, you didn't see what russia teaches about Stalin yet, hm? But seriously: I thought so too. Why would you downplay or distord bad periods of history instead of learning from it? Turns out it's not perfect if you want people to admire their Country - atleast that's what politics seem to think about it so better sweep that shit under the rug.

Viel zu viele Länder beschönigen ihre Geschichte leider...

@@Sarina460 Nunja, auch unser "wir sind soviel besser als damals" Narrativ ist nicht unbedingt so viel besser. Mit dem Enthusiasmus mit dem wir Waffen durch die Welt schicken könnte man meinen die Krupp Brüder wären noch unter uns.

@@MrDarudin Dann ist aber die ganze Welt schrecklich. Beschäftige dich lieber mit richtigen Problemen wie China...

Wieso wieder? Gab es wohl zwei 2. Weltkriege? 😅

Hoffe es war nicht B. H. Naja wenn man das in Jahren den gleichen Schülern erzählt, die von mal zu mal weniger Interesse haben ist das verständlich

@@bleed2blue1 Wenn's die gleichen Schüler in der 10. Klasse sind, sollte er sich vielleicht fragen, ob die pädagogischen Methoden wirklich so anschlagen wie sie sollten.

@@MichaEl-rh1kv ich hatte ww2 in der 10. 11 und 12. Alles beim gleichen Lehrer

@@bleed2blue1 wahrscheinlich bei demselben.

Bismarck 🤘🏼

🤔 English lessons perhaps?

french revolution sometimes but literally nothing else.

We either talked about Nazis for years or about the middle age. There was no in-between 😭

@@g0thicwine499 Fr 😭

sehr starkes Zitat

Which may sound good, but is actually really sad. Ofc we shouldnt be proud of WW2 and such things. But we can be proud of the many things we did either after or before it.

@@Fion355 Or we can just stop feeling proud or ashamed for stuff we had absolutely NOTHING to do with and instead focus to be proud about stuff we personally achieved. Being proud of something some guy did sometime when we weren’t even born is just silly and quite honestly lazy.

@@blacky_Ninja THANK YOU! Finally someone else understands this moronic notion of being proud of someone else's doings

@@tilltronje1623 Yo but I love my country lol

I‘m not exaggerating when I say that I know almost everything that happened from hitlers birth to the fall of the wall and the aftermath of that. I didn’t learn about anything else in the last two years of school.

The half History Lessons in the last 6 Years were about this damn fucking Worldwide War.... -.-

@@lillyblack7696 Ist aber denke ich mal nicht das Schlechteste, wenn man bedankt wie viel Popularität Parteien, wie die AfD, gewonnen haben.

@@derdude6214 Jaein, natürlich ist es gut diesen ganzen Horror durch zu nehmen und zu gucken was passiert ist, was wäre wenn, was das wirklich war und dass das jede Sekunde wieder passieren könnte. Aber bei dem was die meisten Geschichtslehrer heutzutage in ihrem Unterricht machen, muss ich echt sagen, dass sie das auch durchaus mal definitiv anders gestalten können. Nach 4 Jahren nur Nazi Zeit, kann ich das H Wort, das R Wort und das N Wort absolut nicht mehr hören. Und das ist nicht gut, weil ich das Thema dadurch meide und quasi nichts dafür tue, dass es nicht passiert. Ich hab das Thema nach all der Zeit so über, dass ich davon garnichts mehr hören will xD (Ist jetzt n bisschen überspitzt aber ich hoffe du weisst was ich meine :D)

same

Und recht ham die Leut die sich darum schern was in der Vergangenheit passiert ist. Sonst hätt ma scho zehn Weltkrieg hinter uns.

Und anders als es AfD und Konsorten behaupten: die Erinnerungskultur ist etwas, das uns stark und selbstbewusst macht.

Touché.

@Da Wolfi enrage "Du solltst dich schämen Deutscher zu sein!" "Warum?" "Weil ... Nazis." "Ja, und das war vor über 80 Jahren. Ich muß mich nicht dafür schämen, was meine Vorfahren gemacht haben ... ich sollte nur dafür sorgen, dass ein paar verstrahlte Kohlköppe das Ganze nicht wiederholen." "Aber ... Nazis!" Und gleichzeitig sehe ich so viel Hass und Rassismus in anderen Ländern, die gerne den zeigefinger gegen uns erheben. Gelle, Ziegenpopper Erdogan, Benny Netanjahu, Orange, Orban, PIS Partei ... und wie sie alle heißen.

It’s just a shame Germans now think they are morally superior to everyone else

not to mention English, Dutch, French and literally every single language that is taught

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You forgot the TV. If you ever end up in hospital in Germany and the only programms they show are arte and N24 you'll learn more about nszis than you ever asked for.

@@jopossum568 or when you came home from a party at 3am watching a Hitler docu on TV😂

You don´t learn about Nazi´s in Latin. You learn about the evil Roman Emperors

Yep, same here. It‘s quite important to know why everyone acted how they did, otherwise it‘s easy to make yourself think that everyone at that time was simply a heartless monster, which was absolutely not the case.

YES THIS. especially now (or whenever during the 2016-2020 US presidency) where history seemed to be repeating itself with the sentiments towards muslims at airport borders and mexicans on the literal border. It's just terrifying to see when you know the signs and know where they lead back then...

@@lisa_vxng YES! It’s frustrating to be one of the few to recognize the signs and everyone else is just clueless…

Look at these vaccine mandates

Shows that majority didn't really learn anything from the past.

@Collie Flower Yeah, every country has it's baggage, hasn't it?

@Collie Flower That's actually quite an adequate comparison... The manifest destiny and The Lebensraum ideology in the end come down to a list of a few similar and dangerous beliefs...

@@uliuchu4318 Hitler actually referenced Manifest Destiny as exemplary in showing how a country can expand its territory far beyond any historical boundaries if it targets and wipes out the native population.

"Three times a week, we have guilt, and on fridays we had 'shame'!" - Michael Mittermeier: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jK4yrDUYxkw.html

Well said!

Over and over and over and over and over and...

don't forget about all the documentaries all year round in tv......

@@radekvamowski8092 "Turn on N-TV and let's see what war is on right now"

Also religion class

If you're 'lucky' you might even get to discuss it and read articles and books about it in foreign language classes (english, french and so on).

4. GDR

@@spezifisch4468 ja stimmt hab ich vergessen

and in the first year: Romans, Medieval Age, Greeks, Egypt, Early Time/Stone Age, Mayas, Indians(US), US History and of course pretty much nothing about Asia exept India and Mao

Russische revolution war bei mir noch ein großes Thema.

@@yorkd.2831 Well we learned about the triangular trade during colonialism. And the treaty of tordesillias and stuff. I mean I'm 43 and still remember all the names of all those treaties...

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The history you are taught in the United States varies, depending upon what state you live in, and what region of the country. I was taught about slavery in the U.S. , the US Civil War, and World War II, and the evils of each. I lived most of my childhood in the North East then California. Perhaps if I'd been born in the South Eastern part of the U.S. the lessons might have been different. My point is that the dark chapters are US and world history are taught, in most regions and states of the U.S. based upon my own personal experience.

@@Stanley-px3bt Same here! In the Midwest it’s not like we just skip the Native American genocides or slavery. Then again we have plenty of lost causers and the it was “conquered” not stolen crowd.

@@thorkellhyden9694 Oh, it was both conquered _and_ stolen. We need to learn that no treaty with an indigenous nation was ever kept, that the word "Indian" in the phrase, "Indian-giver" refers to the *RECIPIENT*, because we would give things to the "Indians" long to immediately take/steal it back. Hell, we even put the perpetrator of the Cherokee Genocide on the 20 dollar bill! And yes, the pretty little name, "Trail of Tears," was genocide - because if you take the events of the "Trail of Tears", change the location, change "winter" to "summer", swap the US military for the Ottoman imperial military, and change "Cherokee" to "Armenian", _you get the death march that we call The Armenian Genocide. _*_They're the same fscking thing._* (BTW: it's estimated that after first contact, 90% of the population of North America died from the diseases that the Spanish were carrying. That wasn't intentional, it was an inevitable result of first contact. But it's important to know about, because there's no way for disease to spread over a frigging continent unless there was a thriving and efficient trade network between well developed nations. It's important to know that _something_ had to be here in North America beforehand for 90% fatality to happen, and we'll never know what it was. The only thing left were the traumatized 10% of survivors of the wrecked cultures and nations.)

As an American high school student, I would agree! Take the history of US foreign policy, for instance. Every American knows about (and most of the time, is proud of) such wars as the American Revolution, the American Civil War, the World Wars, or certain parts of the Cold War (ie, Korea, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam), and some of them are at least familiar with a few more, such as the War of 1812 (the _Star-Spangled_ _Banner_ one) or the Spanish-American War ("Remember the Maine!"). However, there are also plenty of less-known wars the US was involved in, like the banana republics of the first half of the 20th century, or the dozens of coups that the US backed in the Cold War of the second half of the 20th century. Many of these coups tended to end in dictatorships, which goes against the stated goal of US foreign policy, as stated in the Pledge of Allegiance: "liberty and justice for all". In fact, for the Cold War coups, it even undermines the notion of the pro-US countries being the "Free World", and makes you wonder whether the US is "Leader of the Free World". If Americans are taught this kind of thing more, we would all be wondering what the "Free World" is, be a bit more critical of the Vietnam War than we already are, and see the Cold War not as a struggle for democracy, but for power on the world stage. In fact, for a long time, I have been planning to do a US history series on my channel. When I do that US history series, I will be sure to devote an entire episode to the US involvement in coups in Latin America during the early 20th century, and another on coups around the world that the US were involved in during the Cold War. When I begin this series, look forward to those episodes! For more information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change and (for an article specific to Latin America, aka "America's Backyard") en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

I think it's also wise to have other stories taught as well. We have a much better sense of what a super draconian regime can be that is truly totalitarian, but mundane things that can happen when you think you have democracy or limited rule that is much less obvious can slip by, like genocides in German Tanganyika for instance, where a person in Germany would probably never notice such a thing or would care to have political viewpoints towards the governments which permit such atrocities change due to such incidents given they view it as far away and alien to them, as they vote normally in Reichstag elections.

Yeah. Me too. I don't want to gloryfy how my anchestors slaughterd natives, fought against the british (and won of course cause they are the best) and then in WWII defeated the germans.

Welp, however we are still not able to talk to or about the Herero (are they written like that?). But yes, we have a much better history classes than other countries.

@@klausthz4578 When did you go to school? I'll start grade 12 (G8) soon and last school year we talked extensively about colonialism and all the fucked up shit that Germans but also other countries did in their colonies and a couple of months ago I saw something about it on the news

@@klausthz4578 Also ich hab vor kurzem mein Abi gemacht und ich kann dir bestätigen, dass wir einiges über deutschen Kolonialismus gelernt haben, inklusive Hereros und Diskussionen warum DE den Völkermord nicht anerkennt. Ich glaub in Sachen Geschichteunterricht macht uns so schnell kein anderes Land was vor haha

@@RU-vidCat-ie1pc Nice, in Niedersachsens Kerncuriculum (wird das so geschrieben?) steht es meine ich weder bei LK noch bei GK drin. Aber ich finde es echt cool, dass Sachsen das dann drin hat. Jetzt müsste man mal nachgucken ob das in den meißten Bundesländern wie bei dir geregelt wird, oder ob die eher sowie Niedersachsen sind.

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Its not because some countries dont teach their dark history...i mean America doesnt teach us about the phillipines massacre or about alot of black lynchings that occured..we dont learn about black wall street in class...in China they dont talk about or teach the Tienamen square massacre and the video and images are banned...they showed students at a school pics of it 15 years later and they had never seen pictures of it and china to this day hides the amount of ppl they killed, Israel does not teach the Nakba in school and mentioning it is a crime under law...., 2 of these countries are so called 'Free democracies mind you!!

I highly doubt schools in the UK have classes about how the UK messed up the middle east 😂😂 lets be honest

Well lets see: What is told about Stalin in Russia!? What in China about Mao? What was it with the genucide of the Armenians in Turkey? How much is told about the 40 Million indians killed in the history of North and South America? What about all the shit all colonial countries did - like UK, Belgiuim, Netherlands etc.? How much do they tell about their past genocides?! And what are the history classes in Japan? And so on and so forth. Germany actually sticks out quite a bit.

@@m.l.9385 Germany was forced to teach this in schools as part of denazification, for obvious reasons. Many other countries with some dark periods of history had already past these backward stages of evolution, so I suppose it was less important to explain to children that killing people is wrong. I don't know what Russia teaches these days. China doesn't go all out praising Mao anymore, because their population is much better educated now. Turkey- well that's a mixed bag. Japan is still quite dodgy, as far as I can tell, but they are an isolated culture and no-one can be bothered to push them to teach their children some true history. As long as they don't start any trouble, they are left alone by the West. It's a pity, because they should be taught about the horrific things they did (not only during WW2)

"Why does Grandma say weird things about the Sovjet-Union?" "Sssst! Don't mention the war!" Honestly, how can you expect Germans not to tell their kids how the country got spilt? Should they pretend nothing happened between 1930 and 1990? I really don't get it.

Well it pretty much depends also on the tone of the narration and how many facts you include. You could do it like the Japanese: „There was a war and then the Americans nuked us!“ That is, luckily, not the German approach. It would not have worked for Germany anyway. When you are living on an Island, you may be more comfortable with all your neighbors still holding grudges 80 years after you pillaged their countries.

@@MissMoontree we even have a teacher that lived in the ddr until her 18th year tell us about the life there and what was different, it was pretty interesting

@@MissMoontree You would also expect the US to teach children that people don't come in races. Like, tell me a country where you learn that black people are a different race from white people, what the fuck?

@@Moonlight_Shad0w Well white and black humans are different races, that’s just a biological fact.. Otherwise you would say, that the human is no animal, but it is.. The important thing is to teach, that every race has equal rights and no race is better than the other

But the German schools do it mainly without putting personal shame on the students, that's the difference to some other approaches, I think.

@@Fidi987 There's a difference between shame and blame on one side and responsibility on the other. Between blaming people for what their ancestors did on the one side and blaming people for not acknowledging what their ancestors did and taking responsibility for it not happening again. Not all Germans understand those differences, either.

The German school system gives a positive spin on things as well. Or how much did you learn about the Herero and Namaqua genocide in school?

@@Mr8lacklp That it happened. Admittedly, we didn't go over every aspect of our colonial past three times like we did with the Nazi era. But it wasn't exactly glorified.

@@Mr8lacklp German education system does not claim it brought wealth and education to its colonies, quiet the opposite. But I am curious: what positive spin does the German education system put on those parts of history?

"you normally expect a countrys school system to put a positive spin on that countrys history" thats like the worst thing a country could, most countries have bad pasts and should deal with them head on.

@@morfy2581 not just bad pasts even, wat still exists and war crimes are still being done by countries in this very moment. there are so many horrible things going on in the world that are mostly just brushed away so news can talk about why kim kardashian doesn't eat pineapples anymore.

I think the USA is a way worse offender in that regard. Look at the countless genocides commited under war criminals like henry Kissinger who, to this day, haven't been prosecuted. The USA has a way longer and bigger history of imperialist and colonialist actions against other countries and their own citizens. Just look at the amount of democratically elected nations that where overthrown by the CIA for being too socialist. I'm obviously not saying the dead children found at the boarding schools doesn't suck but in terms of patriotic education and white washing the USA is far worse.

tl;dr: America does teach some bad things about its history, but the Cold War is when high schools really gloss over bad things. I remember when I was in high school in the US, they did teach *some* negative things about our history. Things I can think of were the Trail of Tears as well as the other atrocities we committed during Manifest Destiny and how corrupt our country was during the Gilded Age. And of course, we were taught about the lives of slaves too and how badly they were treated (this is not always the case depending on the state, but I live in a relatively progressive state, so we got a pretty good impression that the Antebellum South was pretty bad) But when talking about the Cold War, they would usually downplay at times outright gloss over just how fucked the US was in foreign policy. I remember making a couple of points about how the US did x and my teacher would acknowledge it briefly but then return to the same narrative. And as for how they talk about capitalism, welfare, socialism and economics, don't even get me started. It was pretty bad. And this was an advanced 1-year history class I took about American History. I cant even imagine what the 1-semester basic history class is like.

@@lotter4390 wow that's really interesting

and rightfully so...

@@nachtalb8394 Subjectively spoken it fealt like I learned WW1, Weimar, WW2 about 13 times over 13 years on repeat in at least 3 subjects (Religion, History, Politics). I wonder what pupils of other countries do during these classes.

@@TremereTT contemporary history is important to understand the present and change the future. US-Pupils often dont know a lot about their own history and even less about the history of other nations.

oh? can you answer that question?

Well, indeed, we did not learn everything - but, other than what your question would seem to imply, this was certainly not an instance of sanitizing German history but rather the consequence of limited time on the subject (using the term „limited“ quite loosely here) - you still have to cram in some MINT and languages.

I can only tell you that my class has learned pretty much everything about Nazi Germany that's written in German History books (we used multiple books), then we got information from documentations, visited Birkenau, talked to KZ Survivors, what they have experienced, as well as German people that have been alive during that time. So I would say Germany does a lot to provide Information in that regard and all I want to say is that your comment sounds extremely negative.

@@shini64m14 I don't think that's true. We didn't learn anything about the North African Campaign, the Madagascar Plan or pretty much everything that came to pass in South America.

@@malte54 Ive read about that aswell, I can only speak for my class obviously, my class alone cant represent an entire countries education, but the things ive mentioned, are the things me and my classmates have learned, so I also do not understand how you think what I've said is untrue, why would I lie in that regard? Might aswell have not made a comment if I wanted to lie.

I want to second this. My history teacher went out of his way to try and describe the political landscape to us so that we could get a grasp of how this could happen. He made very sure that we understood the impact of several events throughout Hitler's rise to infamy and we spent a lot of time analyzing what went wrong, where it went wrong and why so we could realize if it happened again and act differently. My German teachers didnt really put an emphasis on critical reading but my English teachers did and being critical is a good trait to have in general.

@@WereDictionary In the movie "Die Welle" (not that Netflix-series) is shown, how easy the people could get to similar thoughts.

@@HalfEye79 the last couple of years here in the US were truly eye-opening

@@HalfEye79 that book also is a regular part of german school lessons, as kind of a crossover between german, politics and history. My turn was over a decade before the movie with Jürgen Vogel, but we happend to attend a theater play of the story as part of classes.

@@MelusineWinter yes and no. For one part it seemed to be eye opening. And actually that also seems to be the perception in most other countries as well. That might as well give a good view on why this was seen from Germany with a great deal of worries. But there is also a part, that actually refuses to see what might have been wrong and deny even the possibility something that was published in a tweet might actually be false facts etc. Oh and of course as everywhere there is for sure a great deal of people who just don't care at all.

americans do it, they don't just imagine lol

"slaves went around and did chores..." no it's not chores its forced labor, under threat of hard punishment u stupid education system

They literally gloss over all the bad stuff lmao

@@deeznuts2577 yes the land of freedom … if you are a white cis hetero man who’s Christian or atheist lol

Björn Höcke is a history teacher....

@@minski76 Bernd.

@@minski76 And now he wants to be mentioned in future history books. That's his only goal.

@@minski76 Ja der Bernd! Ist in erster Linie ein ganz großes Arschloch! He shouldn't be allowed to teach history anymore. History teachers are not supposed to reinterpret historical facts nor should they spread their own conclusions in school lesson. Höcke disqualified himself to be a history teacher long time ago!

I don't know how things are today, but when I was in school and learned about the Holocaust and WWII in the late '90s and early 2000s, we never applied the lessons to the present. We learned _about_ history, but we didn't learn _from_ history. For example, they never talked to us about the burning asylum seekers' hostels or the other attacks by Neonazis and rightists despite them having happened only a handful of years before.

Its probably also the country where the third reich is the biggest subject in history class.

@@morfy2581 The Third Reich is not only a topic for history class. There are several Classes where this topic is also present (more than it needs to be) And what is even worse after all this time in school.. after the school everything I knew about this topic is that the Nazis are bad. Like.. is this all we got teached? Everything in-between (Anne Frank for example) was only used to tell us even more about their opinion of the Nazis being bad. At this point you can call it aggressive propaganda. Because we are being told, taught, forced to believe that the Nazis are bad without basically telling us why the Nazis did what they did. Without really giving us the chance to form our own opinions. Everything came with an "Remember, Nazis are bad."

@@schattentruppe9610 well im sorry for you then, that you had such history teachers (and other ones). In my school, we of course get to know how and why they did what they did, why thed had the citisens on their side, how the impact was in terms of economy and wealth, how they managed to swiftly get the Power on their side without barely anyone noticing at first etc pp. All those diffrent aspects are thought (at least in a bavarian school) in a way that you understand their behavior. After visiting the concentration Camp i truly got disgust about them. So with that said, reading your commebt makes me think you sympasympat with them. (The comment is in english for the others to understand)

@@schattentruppe9610 Hm because there was nothing good about the Nazis. I don't know if your history teacher was a good teacher but I learned to understand the way the Nazis acted, how they gained power and about the horrible things they've done. We were in a Concentration Camp, watched Anne Frank and had an entire year of history class only about the third Reich. I learned quite a lot and yet there is so much I don't know about the time. I think we as Germans are in a special responsibility to watch out about dictatorships and we cannot choose if we want to be in this responsibility or not because it is a part of our German history and a part of everyone living here. I'm not guilty of anything but I am responsible to never let anything like that happen again

@@schattentruppe9610 Even we learned all those things in class, I can understand your point too well. Beside the normal school lessons we visited two KZ (one in Realschule/middle school, one in Abitur/High school), we watched 4 movies in school 1 in cinema and several documentations about that topic. At some point I stopped listening (it felt like they teached the same stuff over and over) And the worst thing is that due to a lack of time, we received a shortened version of the DDR/GDR topic. In my opinion we missed some other interesting topics like history of Africa or South America.

Holy shit, my condolences. We had 2.5 years less of WWII but we also only had history from grade 7, I think. Was ancient Greece a thing for you guys?

@@MellonVegan yeah, some time before the roman empire and after Charlemagne. But its 1/2 a semester at most. In Hindsight everything happened before WWII is only looked at briefly. Sure we look at Greece and Rome and how they compared to each other. Then we look at the middle ages. After that its the Revolutions in the US and France (and Napoleon after that) and how the German Revolution failed in the 1840s. Following that we did learn about the industrial revolution and how it shaped cities and changed transportation. But then the shit hit the fan in Europe and Germany did probably everything wrong that you could have done from the 1910s onwards and this period in German history, with a big focus on the years leading up to Hitlers election until the start of the war and the nazi ideology make up about >1/2 of all history lessons. Post war Germany, the cold war and the Reunification account to about 1/2 semester in grade 10 (at least it was so in my school). In grade 11 and 12 its Nazis again. Also we went to Dachau in Grade 9 (or 10). Also the third reich isnt only mentioned in history class. It's virtually every artistic class like art, music, theater class, German lessons. The way the war trauma made it's way into literature and music. How the Trauma of an nation that lost two wars, commited the most inhuman war crimes in modern history and saw its citys and family destroyed. All that is taught in School. In hindsight i would say that it is good that we learn about it (not only in history lessons but also in art etc.) but it is frankly too much and way to early. As an 7th or 8th grader I didn't really understand extend of the nazi regime. And I think I shouldn't at that age. Also what I think is sad is, that the reunification isn't really mentioned in school (at least it was for me). You would think, that the "true end of the war" that came with the fall of the Berlin Wall, would be looked at. I mean it's the best thing that happened to Germany in the last 30 years (i think at least). But it came with challenges. How did we transition the communist/socialist east to a western market. All the problems that came with that are not taught or only looked at briefly. In the end I really wished for less WWII, or maybe al look at Japan and Italy in WWII and not only Germany. And I'd lile to have had more post war Germany.

@@abraxas9964 yeah, i also remember ww1 only started 8th grade and then from 9th/10th grade on it was ww1 and ww2. (and Nahostkonflikt)

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I wonder if British teach about colonization.

Exactly!!!

Hitler non-stop for 5 years, if you do Abi. My art teacher showed as the paintings he drew and most of them where nice (he had some talent in this department), but than showed us one of his painting where everything was off and explained as why perspective is important, if we ever wanted to go to Art School.

And then a little bit of the DDR and the cold war :D

Bruh was habt ihr denn für nen Lehrplan bei uns geht das erst in der 9. Oder 10. Klasse los und auch nur für n Jahr oder so dann haben wir die DDR behandelt

Actually you can‘t generalize that. We had a bit of everything: The roman empire, Middle ages, American slavetrades, roaring 20ies, black friday, preWW1, WW1, post WW1, pre WW2, DDR and reunion were all talked about for quite some time aswell. An not just the whole moral stuff, but also about what was invented, how did life go for normies/poor people/children. Was all quite interesting most of the time.

Mostly wrongly I suppose. Most people in positions of power have done wrong in the past, if anything the picture is not likely going to be all good.

I am from a turkish immigrant family counting myself german and part of the gulen bewegung and I have to say that the political state of turkey is very bad, just like in Nazi Deutschland...

Don't forget china. Die haben ja sogar diese Erziehungslager. Uff.

actually there is something similar going on in Germany (written in English since I don't want to exclude anyone). The divided political landscape has come to a point where the established parties have lost a lot of the trust the voters once gave them. This lead and is leading to an escape in way more extreme ways of thinking and more political parties coming up (e.g. AfD, but also newfound ecological ones that do not really differ from Grüne). Many of them won't make it into the parliament. I personally feel like our votings came to some kind of "what's the least worst choice" selections. That being said people tend to not believe that the CDU is interested in the health of the country (like obviously, the CDU is just corrupt), the SPD is anything but social and so on. And since the "old fashioned democratic" parties aren't a really good thing anymore a lot of very weird ideologists see their chance to provide a solution with a different political system. Many will fall for easy answers like "it's the immigrants fault that you are unemployed" and similar stuff since it seems logical and is straight forward. People want to believe these things and so they do. They start to trust those ratcatchers and since they don't believe in usual politics start to accept the new ideology. This can lead us to a very dark place in the future. Any opinions?

@@simonthehedgehog928 I'm writing now in german, because I don't know the english words ^^' Weil alle dieser Gruppen so ziemlich bescheuert sind, werde ich meinen Wahlzettel einfach ungültig machen, also darauf krizeln & schreiben und danach wieder zurück schicken (Schade das mein Wahlzettel noch nicht kam). Anstatt wen zu wählen. Am Ende würde es entweder dunkler werden die Zeiten oder unverändert

@@simonthehedgehog928 Well you`re correct. Since the shifting of the CDU to the left and the shifting of the SPD to the right (during the late 1990`s, early 2000`s), there`s not many options left to vote for those party´s. They are to similar. And the shifting gave room for the extrem left party (Die Linke) and the extrem right one (AfD). And so these "big" partys lost a majority of their constituence at the attemp to grab voters from the middle. Benfitiary to the "Die Grünen" Party wich were taken politics to a complete new foundation. Not Money (CDU) or workforce (SPD) instead enviorment. And those "ratcatchers" you mentioned, they are trying to sell easy solutions where no easy solutions are. And so....they´ll have no Idea how politics and economy really works. Like the actual goverment in Britain.....

Quite easy to be answered: Austria was officially the first victim of the Nazi aggression - this is what defined the second Republic after WWII and it took the election of a former SA man (about whom a former chancellor said: It was just his horse that was in the SA) and many unpleasant discussions in the year after this before it was accepted that maybe, only maybe, there had been Nazis in Austria before the "Anschluss" and that not all of them were Germans :-). In other words: The Beethoven/Hitler-Scam still works pretty well :-D

The Anschluss would have happened even in a non-rigged vote. They had an easy majority.

I don't know how it is for others but we almost don't talk about it. But there isn't any corruption or something similar. If it is mentioned we say it shouldn't have happened.

@@MrTohawk They had not! Why should the occupators invade and send several 1000 people to KZ BEFORE the voting, when not for fear of a clear declaration pro Austria. You are just repeting propaganda and foul anectotes.

@@mllesamedi84 before 1933 there wasn't a single party of note against unification. Austrians wanted it.

The problem is you were lied to about everything, that is why it keeps repeating itself.

That last sentence hit hard. It's always that feeling, no, the expectation everyone on the Internet is gonna hate me or at least like me less/ treat me more cautiously if I say I'm German... like, please, I don't plan to kill off half of Europe and brag about it, okay? I'm here to have a friendly conversation about my favorite way of connecting with people (aka video games)... 😔

Its not a crime xD

@@pooponmyface6797 Look it up :)

@@pooponmyface6797 bruh yes it was, fucking murderin thousands of innocents for what

@@Fabi-es1xy so?

@@pooponmyface6797 that's what you call a crime. against humanity

Can 100% confirm this! Germans are taught so much about how bad the Nazi time was from an early age on (we even make a very clear cut between „us“ and „them“ as if they were another country back then) that it’s nearly like the scene in the first Harry Potter movie where Hagrid only quickly and quietly says „you know who“ and is visibly shocked when Harry loudly says Voldemort. This is exaggerated of course but it’s somehow how we feel and instantly react when someone makes any Nazi related jokes or says something like „Hitler! Nazi!“ when finding out someone is German. We don’t find it funny, we’re shocked because in Germany this is such a sensitive and serious topic that you just don’t joke about it. I personally even get a weird negative feeling whenever I or someone else says Hitler out loud (without educational context). That’s what I meant with the Harry Potter comparison because there they also avoid to say Voldemort out loud, as if they would give him power through it or something like that.

I take you're german. There is actually some comedy done about the Nazis, "Er ist wieder da" for example.

@@tarmairon431 okay I have to confess there is some, but it is more educative than comedic. There are not many parts in "Er ist wieder da" which really are funny. It shows how dangerous extreme nationalism and autoritarian regimes truely are.

@@tarmairon431 Der film ist so gut

@@tarmairon431 movies don't count

Lol

I don't really understand. Are you referring to the german education system or are talking about the norm in other countries?

It's called nationalism, and no it's not a good thing.

You're right, of course. History *should* be taught from a point of view as objective and truthful as possible even (and especially) if it hurts at times. In reality though you see often enough how countries glorify their past and downplay, even ignore any atrocities they committed. The USofA and Japan are wonderful examples of this.

History isn't always as objective, though. Even on a scholarly level there is room for disagreement, especially when it comes to causes and correlation. Obviously, this mustn't lead to attempts of greenwashing a country's past for nationalistic purposes. *cough* USA *cough*

As a German I cannot understand this notion at all. Why would you spin?

Same. I don't remember what year exactly, must have been the end 90s, we had two holocaust survivors come to class and give us their experiences. I still vividly remember when the man pulled his sleeve up to show the number tattoo on his arm. Chilling.

Too late for this, but we had a talk from someone who was tortured in prison after having failed to flee the GDR. In great detail he described how they shot at him and brutally tugged him into a van then drove him around for hours and hours and so on. When he mentioned the word "microwave", we all came to the shocking realization that, although the GDR-regime was not nearly as bad as the Nazis, the second german dictatorship was so much closer to present day, it was only 27 years ago (was 2014 when we heared the talk).

and if anyone can go through the 12 years and want it to happen again. they are insane and a neo nazi

@Arwen Baruth same

I guess "ignorant towards the Nazis" was meant as "not be aware of Nazis to have ever existed". But that still doesn't change the amount of utter stupidity you can hear from certain corners of ideological filth.

Querdenker und die afd. Doch wir haben leider immer noch idioten die damit sehr ignorant umgehen

@@Zockersoul1994 Die gehen nicht ignorant damit um, sondern relativierend. Ignorant würde ja bedeuten, dass sie nicht einmal wüssten das es Nazis und Hitler überhaupt gab.

@@LS-Moto Oder nicht weiß wie es damals ablief weil man sich lieber Sachen ausdenkt. Das ist sehr ignorant. Hör auf diese beppos zu Verteidigen, da ist ein weiteres beispiel wo viele ignorant sind und behaupten das ganze stimme ja so nicht und die sind alle eigentlich voll cool noch :D

@@Zockersoul1994 Das englische "ignorant" bedeutet ein bisschen was anderes als das deutsche "ignorant". Man sollte es eher mit "unwissend" übersetzen. Ist ein klassischer False Friend.

Do you know about the friendship between Hitler and Mussolini?

I don‘t think you as an Italian can claim any moral highground here, I have relatives living in Italy and their ignorance about facist history is absolutely terrible which is due to Italian schools not teaching it properly.

@@s_h136 Wait, schools here in Italy do indeed teach about Mussolini, Hitler, the atrocities of Italian colonialism and so on. Just as in Germany, these topics are taught multiple times with more information added as students grow up. The fact that some students don't study hard enough and remain ignorant is a different kind of problem.

We are not heroes.

@@s_h136 One things are the ignorant people, one thing is the school system. The school system depicts all the bad terrible sides of fascism. And for years there has been no mention of "foibe" that have been the post-war atrocities against fascists. Our narrative is clearly oriented against what's happened with Mussolini - rightfully so. What people then think, it's not school's fault, but hearing "you expect a country to put a poistive spin on their history".... to me is buffling. Here this absolutely doesn't happen. At all xD

There is a huge difference between exploiting people and killing millions of them just because they exist

In history class in school our teacher traveled with us through some parts of our city (Hamburg) showing us things related to ww2, also stolpersteine and other things, even buildings and bridges

I was never a good student back in my days, but when I came across a Stolperstein in my city a couple of years ago I thought immediately "Oh, ein Stolperstein". That shows how much we get teached about our history, that even I who was never a good student, instantly remembered.

does beeing open mean be completly guilty and say everything was wrong and we where the ultimative evil back there? i think not .

Well, at least you can say you used your knowledge from school in your personal life.

I just had such a discussion with Americans who claimed Nazis were left-wing because of socialism in the name and socialism and communism were the same! But we Germans talked about social democracy and social issues!

@@arnodobler1096 that's almost like believing a People's Republic is best for the people

Dont forget we still have the Hauptschule and Werkrealschule: they end school before being old enough to be taught the real nasty stuff, which is usually introduced around age 16.

@@Philemaphobia Can't confirm that. I went to an Oberschule (Hauptschule till 9th grade, 10th grade Realschule afterwards) and we learned the more gruesome stuff in 9th grade, even including a visit to the KZ Neuengamme. In 10th grade it was more in depth about how exactly the Nazis got to power, including all the more intricate political decisions/acts at play. I think that's not too unusual, to learn more broadly about things at first just to later revisit it and talk about it more in depth.

just half? for me it felt like it was at least 3/4

110%

Fun fact: until the 10th grade, my class just got up to 1935 in history and in the last years, we've skipped the entire period from 1933 to 1989 because we had to "share" our teacher/lessons with the one year younger, so the idea was that he would teach us 45 minutes, while the younger would work on some tasks and than switch In reality, he did 90 minutes with the other and we sat in the other room and watched a Movie or did something else, because non of my course wanted to do His Abitur in History

for sure not if you are more carefully regarding the amount of hours and curriculum history is taught cause that comes pretty late and not in 4th grade ... History started for us more or less in the nowadays IRAQ over egypt and greek and roman empire through the ages and it is a long and winding road to napoleonic war and the german democratic movement of 1848 and its question of "Vor März" over the wars that lead to german foundation 1871 to "Platz an der Sonne" politics after Bismarck had left. Then the way into world war 1 became a topic before the new democratic republic and its struggles between versailles treaty and debts and extremism is the focus and the rise to power and the war become a topic. The war itself is explained shortly but all the crimes and totalirism in a society took months to get explained ... We got taught about Karthago battle at Cannae but not about anny battle during WW2 and the tactics or any military aspects except this time the had used tanks (but not what tanks, weapon system) instead of artillery barage or undermining the trenchlines of World War 1. Lot of mixed realities due to the amount of war games and movies but in history each half year has its focus and that is short for WW 1 and WW 2 which also needs a specific age to talk about seriously and then the whole rise to power and the totalirism is covered in less than half a year of history, but some topics might be covered in again in different lessons like even religion and the roles of churchs in the third reich. You can not each 10 year old about the holocaust and other things like totalirism and communism so that will happen at age 15 / 16 which makes sense.

That's a slight exaggeration.

As a German, I very much appreciate our history lessons. They teach us every detail, absolutely honest and objective. But not just the facts, also how could people let it happen, why were the Nazis so appealing, what went wrong, how can we learn from it etc. If a country does their history lessons any different from being absolutely open and objective, its propaganda, if Im being honest.

But it's the non-germans, who always start this topic within milliseconds, just because it's the only thing they know about germany.

probably the only one that does it at this biga scale.

Austria too.

@@katacassio Austrian here Like 99% of all other comments In austria, here we also go into great GREAT detail of the entire topic Prretty much the same amount as in german schools At least my history and german teachers went into that much detail

Today there are some difficulties with feelings. I don't think that Germany is one of the only countries, that recognizes its mistakes and bad parts of history. How should someone "learn" about the "Nazis"? Yet the requirements for fascism persist, not only in Germany. As it looks the most of these requirements are unknown by the most of us. So therefore it's not too easy to "learn" about the "Nazis". Instead it is difficult to see the requirements for fascism in ourselves. Arno Gruen made this very clear in his books, from my point of view. At the moment this seems to be more relevant than ever, in much parts of this world. The question could also be: Is it sensible to be against Nazis/fascism - understandably somehow popular today - without knowing much about the requirements for fascism? The clear answer from myself is: No.

To be honest, it's more a case of omission than straight up lying. In Belgium, we mentioned how Livingstone 'discovered' the Congo for 'us', but there was mention about some of the more brutal aspects of that, just not as much. But it also had to mention the schools we built there, the roads... We just touched upon the Protestant exodus to the North during the 80 Year's War, but it was the Spanish who were blamed, not our own people and leaders who wanted to restore Catholicism as the church of the land... And many, many more.

But, if you are not German, have you thought they do not learn it, before you eye-witnessed it ? This is what this video, or at least it's introduction is about. To me, as a German, the question is a bit like "do you have electricity" ? I would consider the questioner quiet out of this world.

@@holger_p AfD. If we'd have let people rewrite history the same as others it would be the same for us. Just look how many people deny that the holocaust happened. And that is after the quick reaction of the USA at the time, preserving the kz's and touring the population there to witness what had happened. Political motivated rewriting of history sadly is the norm and trying to be objective is a rather recent approach on the wider scale.

@@ChJuHu93 Actually I don't know many peoply who deny the Holocaust. It's as many, as there haven been people on the moon, I would say. It's an official crime in Germany to deny it, actually. You end in prison if you do so. Isn't Politics rather caring for the future ? Why should they change the past ? It must be more this kind of konservative politics, who have no plans for the future, and only try to reestablish the past.

@@holger_p Yeah, they are more of a fringe group, and exactly for the same reason: overwhelming evidence. Now imagine we had no photographs and nearly all nazi documents were destroyed. That is the situation we had for most of history, only a few privileged groups could document and rivaling documentation was destroyed. As for the reason it imo is mostly about glorification. Either of the leader or the country. Otherwise why would so many kings have had written down how they performed all kinds of miracles!? for example.

*taught

@@sebastianb.3978 any chance you come from Saarland?

@@error404usernamenotfound5 *chance Nein, Rostock. Und du?

@@sebastianb.3978 Völklingen, in der Nähe von Saarbrücken. Hab nur gefragt weil mein Cousin Sebastian heißt, und halt glaub ich auch auf RU-vid Sebastian B. als Name benutzt und so

@@error404usernamenotfound5 Lol

Well, if it made you think "not again", then I guess it worked ;)

Yeah, it all makes sense now!

@@drsnova7313 unfortunately, the "not again" often means "Not another lesson about this. We got the point." It is repeated so often over the course of several school years in different subjects that students can get fed up by it...

One of the reasons I won't support a potential second Nazi regime is that I don't want future generations to have to learn everything twice.

Well actually I think its okay to have this theme more then once, but one year I had 3 different history teachers and always when we finished the WW2 we got a new one. Every teacher thought the theme is important so we started all over again. I mean we could have done other important themes instead of literally learn the same thing three times.

I‘d dispute the quality, but yeah, though they often are not about the victims and kind of glorify the technical and management aspects of the war. Don’t like that.

N24 and other TV stations make their money with ads so they need many people to tune in and stay to fill a quota of viewers. Its not about education for them but sensationalisation. If people wouldn't watch it they wouldn't air it. Also these documentaries are cheap and plenty, and are often used as fillers between more expensive programming. They are often also just bought and dubbed from the History Channel (a US-American channel, the one with all the Bigfoot fanatics), hence all these weird "Did the Nazis invent UFOs" type of subjects.

There will always be a reason for a WW2 Docu on any given day

True, I usually don’t watch tv but I remember not having any wifi connection at home so I watched tv and found myself watching hitler documentaries and also lots about other horrible dictators. Some are still being admired in their country

We started with and ended with the Nazis in 10th Grade, then we were taught about the Old German Republic and the GDR. In 11th grade we kinda randomly relearned from different chapters, and currently we're back at the Weimar Republic.

Yep and NO GDR at all!

@@Philemaphobia As I said, we learned in depth about both post-war Germanies. BRD and DDR.

You lucky one. for me it was 5th Greece and Rome 6th French Revlolution 7ht Nazi 8th Nazi 9th Nazi 10th Nazi 11th Nazi 12th Nazi 13th Nazi But I must have entered School around the time you left it. It was for sure a very versatile history edjucation. *irony off*

@@Mighto I quit history after 12th for that reason.

i literally had ww2 from 8th grade til 10th. I could explain in detail how hitler tricked laws to get to the top of german politics and became Führer

I agree. I was mortified when I found out other Countries aren´t honest to themselves like that. It´s not good to glorify your Country´s History, it´ll only repeat itselves

Sounds like Oranienburg 🌚

Ich denk ma du sprichst Deutsch deshalb mach ichs nich unnötig kompliziert. Bei uns wars so das wir in der 5. Klasse schon erste Bücher gelesen haben als Vorbereitung auf die in der 6. Klasse 5 Tage lange Studienfahrt nach Theresienstadt (is ein Getto und Übergangslager gewesen, und die Vorbereitungen war auch in den Fächern Deutsch, PB, LER, Geschichte, und Biologie), in der 7. Klasse haben wir dann eine Fahrt in ne Synagoge gemacht dann in der 8. Klasse hatten wir Tagebuch der Anne Frank, dann in LER in der 9. Nazi Zeug und dann ging es Ende 9. dann mit 2. Weltkrieg in Geschichte los und auch so wurde immer mal wieder drauf hingewiesen. Also ich würde sagen ich hab es nicht vergessen

Thank you for your comment!

lol

Ah yes German arrogance, more iconically German than even the NAZIs

Nope. Source: I'm American, and I don't remember anything being taught about Germany that wasn't about the Nazis.

@@BananaBrainsZEF Yay that's great. I mean which country wouldn't live to be remembered as nazi only?

Corollary: Do people outside of Germany learn anything about Nazism except, “it was evil?” No. So we don't learn how to spot the danger signs, and therefore how to stop it from repeating.

@@John_Weiss "How can those people be bad? They lowered unemployment and build the Autobahn!"

@Marvolo1590 unless we do a new thing that is much more memerobal.

that would be quite interesting to hear

@@SOIBand THX: i asked the question 4 months ago. Until now, no answer from a british citizen. That says all 😅

Nothing much but like it’s sometimes peppered in some lessons like when we’re talking about WW2 and how our colonies helped us: India and Canada etc.

@@belindamary7816 it is all about ww2 - the british are living in he past

It's not just sad! Only through a true, open clarification of the worst deeds, a better future can be shaped. Otherwise only propaganda remains. The dropping of the atomic bombs is a good example of how not to do it. Of course, the effects, the responsibility to take over, that then again no one wanted. The propaganda is well visible in the example of the pilot, who even on his deathbed was deeply convinced that he had done the right thing. PROPAGANDA IN FULLEST FULLNESS: no reflection of the deeds, and only believe what the government says. As I said, it is not only sad, there is much more to it, THE FUTURE!!!

The US is just the UK 2.0 when you notice how globally hated both countries are

Alternative für Dumme sagt mein Großvater dazu... Er hat als einer von vier Geschwistern Sachsenhausen überlebt