Do keep in mind that in the series, there's a huge time jump to the point where he reveals he goes around with weighted clothing. You skipped to the halfway point of his own training in just a day, when he's had years to get his muscles used to it
@@littenfire3563 the point is that wearing weighted cloths isn't an effective weight training method. There is a great amount of mechanical disadvantages to training with weighted clothes which is why people don't traditionally use such methods. It is far easier to go with traditional strength training methodologies.
and in DBZ he worked up to that what we need a video going over the turtle training from the start. Tho they never did say how much the shells are did they?
@@furydeath "and in DBZ he worked up to that " And in the real world, it doesn't work. DBZ is a work of fiction. The real world, on the other hand, is not. There are still (as Kyle mentions) many, many, many, many, many, many, MANY studies on this, with the results all being that the benefits are negligible at best and the risks are horrendously high. I wouldn't be willing to risk permanently and horrendously injuring my body for a benefit that's so small it's basically a rounding error. Dragon Ball Z is a cartoon. Cartoon physics =/= real physics.
Even after hearing all the research says this is a bad idea, even after watching your demo of horror, even after not being able to think of a single athlete on earth who trains this way... On an intuitive level I still feel like this is a good idea. Fascinating.
Over short training sessions, and weight distributed in a way to avoid excessive wear and tear on joints/back, I can see it having benefit, allowing one to squeeze more from a short amount of time. Military guys seem to manage. The body does require rest periods though, so constantly wearing a lot of weight is not tenable.
I did my own little experiment with weighted clothing many years ago. I had planned to take it all the way to 2 Gs worth of weight, which would have been 205 lbs of weighted clothing lol I made a vest, belt, wrist weights, and ankle weights. I had planned to make a type of shorts but never got that far. I started off with only like 5 lbs total. Spread over the wrist and ankle and would add a few lbs every week. Wearing it every night at my 3rd shift job under my clothes. After 3 months I was at 42 lbs. I did notice I was a lot more ripped then normal(I had been working out for years and was never really ripped) and my endurance without it was noticeable better. I don't know if it was the heat or just the literal weight on me but it was so difficult and honestly almost made me feel depressed wearing it lol I gave up on it and never finished it. I wanna try it again soon though
Sounds like what it feels like when I am overweight. It's really hard on your body. Bodies need rest, but if you can't just take off the weight in a few moments, you don't get good rest.
This was very interesting, but if you remember when he first tried the way to clothing he had the same problem you did. He couldn’t walk or do anything
This actually might be a fantastic example of what video game over-encumbrance is like; since video game characters stuff everything into the eather that is their pockets/on their persons, examples using a bag to carry things are not completely accurate. This example, however, shows what it's like to have extra weight distributed across the body.
@@Lightning_Lance I weigh 253 pounds and I can still do a few. I gained 70 pounds over the pandemic because gyms closed and I fell back into depression. Shit sucks.
@@K4inan well, to me that's impressive. Or maybe I'm just weak. :D But yeah man, this pandemic sucks. At least there's starting to be some light at the end of the tunnel :/
I think the issue is you have to be as strong as you could be *without* weighted clothing before it makes a difference. So unless your regular workouts have started dropping off and you’re not getting those gains anymore, then weighted clothing won’t help.
There is a greater issue at play. I don't have access to the studies but I suspect that they ran into the same fundamental flaw. Gradual increase of weight was not recorded. Goku trained for years and it isn't clear when he started using weighted clothing. By the time we see him, he already wore 300 pounds worth of weight. I weigh 300 pounds and I am able to do some of the things Kyle did with less struggle,
To be completely fair, for the weights sloshing aroud the way they are, and for this being your first day (remember, even goku struggled at first), you actually did really well! Im impressed!
True... and Goku is a martial artist and athlete. Putting this weight on someone who isn't known for physical fitness to this degree, is of course going to bias the outcome.
@@ShiroNekoDen yeah, my obese friends from the gym could actually lift heavy weights pretty much from the get go, which took skinnyme months to achieve.
.. when you put it that way.... the anime is far.. far darker than we realized... and that happy go lucky attitude is just a ploy.. or team fourstar got it right and he really is brain damaged... ....brain damaged .... brain damaged ..... Brain damaged ......... Brain da *is slapped* thanks for that!
It’s funny you say that because that’s literally what happens to Broly in the DBS movie. His power is so massive that he’s in constant pain and anger, that’s why during the fights he doesn’t say a single word just constant screams.
Hmmm...it might be... imagine releasing the body limiters (if it is a real thing) even if its a saiyan to pull off incredible feats standard to a saiyan body...🤔🤔🤔
First of all, I will say that it’s actually pretty impressive that you can do a pull-up (not perfectly clean, but better than most people even without additional weight added) with that much added weight on; I can tell that your grip/back/pulling strength is much better than an average person, maybe because you’re a rock climber. Although, at only 1.5x, there are many planets with higher surface gravity (it’s only once you’re above 2.5-3x that it’s higher than even Jupiter). Also, this doesn’t really mimic living on increased gravity planets since all the weight is concentrated outside of various body regions, rather than every individual particle of your body being pulled harder in an evenly distributed way. Arguably, what you’re doing is actually more difficult than moving around in 1.5x gravity, although in that situation your heart would also have to pump much harder to ensure the blood doesn’t pool in your feet.
I'm an army vet and it varies from unit to unit, but from my experience you're slightly off on thinking you were carrying more. For our 12 mile ruck marches were full kit, weighted ruck sack, weapon, and standard uniform. All in all about 120lbs total, leaving myself carrying roughly 1.58g's.
@@Yora21 its actually kinda depressing seeing him doing that and realizing that the way he's struggling is literally the same way 300-400 lbs people are. The waddle. The labored breathing, the struggle getting up...
@@calvindibartolo2686 If obesity is a disease, it needs to be treated. If it's a lifestyle choice, it's their own damn fault. Either way, it's not something we should accept as normal.
I think it is really hard to do the weighted training properly. The number one issue is, that for it to work (and not hurt), you need to gradually increase the weight and exercise in the same way you would without it. If you change your workout and movements to accommodate the weight, you are doing something else than you would without the weight later. It also takes quite a long time for bones and especially joints to adapt to the increased weight. And depending on the training ,it is more likely to increase your endurance rather than raw strength. Also, I think you need to wear extra weight for months or rather years, to see the difference. You will not get super strong for wearing heavy costume for a day.
Plate armor wasn't actually all that heavy and the weight was evenly distributed across your body. There are videos today of people doing flips and rolls while using plate armor (which proves Dark Souls rolling is not unrealistic).
Thing is though, you start low, slowly increasing it to get used to it. (edit because I did respond) even if you do it slow YES there will be a limit to what your body can handle and what is healthy or not, but a slow start is important
It was a fun video, but this was the problem with both his previous video and this one on hypergravity training... Honestly, this was akin to watching someone go into the gym, try to lift the heaviest lifts they have, shiting the brick, and then conclude there's no human on earth who could possibly lift that thing... Entertaining, but it didn't answer the question...
Yeah, i often train with 2kg ankleweights, I definitely use more kcal according to my watch and I feel lighter/faster doing cardio afterwards. The last part might be just a head thing.
But what about the suit Whis made? That was basically this video. Went from normal to super weighted and he and Vegeta still trained like absolute madlads. In reality, yes, you'd do this for negligible results. In the anime and manga tho.. They just need excuses to make characters seem more powerful and an excuse to whip out a training arc x)
But eventually your joints won’t be able to take it, even if you work up to running/jumping with weighted gear itll mess you up if you do it consistently
@@2MeterLPI'm pretty sure fat people do gain muscle in order to sustain the weight. They don't get enough to be considered muscular at all, but since the fat weight can kill a person. Their body naturally gets stronger but only the bare minimum. Might be stronger than non fat people who don't exercise. But with so much fat, that muscle won't matter most of the time. Their punch strength comes from mass "cue halo meme"
You think that in some theory, this would work. It's essentially a full-body workout that you'd do at the gym, right? The small muscle-tears are key to muscle growth, so the pain makes sense. So what makes this so dangerous? Is it just the sudden amount of weight that was used? One thing anyone who has ever been to the gym will agree with me on though ... You should've posted an update the next day to see if you felt the burn. Lmao.
its the constant strain on the ligaments of your joints and whatnot, at the gym you rip up the muscle fibres and then they get an extended period to relax, this is doesn't give them ANY relaxation time which is what causes the injury, if that makes sense.
@@RepeatSwitch Problem there is, you can do just as much, if not substantially more damage to yourself at the gym. I'm not arguing the science here, I just think it's odd that the math says it wouldn't work. Maybe Kyle went a bit overboard on the weights? But full body workouts have been a thing forever, and if repetition is the key? You'd have to assume that this would at least work -In theory-.
@@fablefortitude5760 it would work but short term having it too heavy would injure you, imagine doing lat raises 24/7 that’s going to injure the shoulders, resting is super important, I could see adding weight to yourself during a calisthenics workout as being beneficial, because it’s common practice, but throwing on even a small amount it weight will overtime break ligaments down to the point it could cause permanent injury
Wait, is there a way to get tax returns from buying cosplay? For context, I'm not from the US, so I am not familiarized with how the IRS works this stuff out.
Start with lower weight, work your way up over time. Build those muscles up, build up your endurance. One go at full weight is not the best example. Nor has your body adapted to the shock... this is when the damage is likely to occur.
@@Webberjo that tortoise shell actually weighed 50 pounds. So wearing it like a backpack isn't much different than what occurs in the real world. Also, Goku was about 9 when he began training with Roshi because he's 12 at his first tournament.
I don't agree with this for one simple reason, You body was never conditioned to be able to handle that weight, Yes "weighted clothes" is not a good way to train.. If your not conditioned to handle that weight, Same goes with lifting weight at the gym, If you aren't conditioned to lift a certain amount of weight you will most likely get an injury. Same goes for unactive people doing fitness training for the first time in years, They would have exactly the same reaction this guy had in this video, maybe if he started with 5kg on his body with 1kg on each arm and leg, trained with that for weeks/months till his body was conditioned enough to handle higher weight.. He said it himself, He isn't the same hight or weight, He doesn't have the same muscle mass and more importantly doesnt have any experience with weight training. By no means am i saying anyone can handle 160kg of weighted training but if done correctly weighted training can be beneficial -With the right amount of weight!!.
I watched this video quite some time ago and actually did wear weighted vests and ankle weights under my clothes. I increased the weight gradually and let me tell you, the results are interesting. So, the first months in, not much. My body got used to the weight and I was able to jump a hit higher. But then, not kidding, the perks like jumping higher stopped and instead, I got used to the weight. To an extent that, when not wearing weights, I get those kilograms deducted from whatever I wanna carry. If I lift heavy, at least 20 kg are subtracted because my body can NATURALLY lift that weight as if it were body mass. In short, not goku but still cool!
@@gitman3486I mean it may make sense, your body will grow muscle to adapt to strain, and replacing wrist weights with a kettlebell will effectively subtract the remobed 'constant' weight from the kettlebell's weight
I think for a proper experiment this would need to be done over successive days to see if you got stronger and it became easier. Goku practiced for years.
I train with ankle weights... massively improved my leg strength and muscle tone. I worn them 1 hour a day. Then increased that every month by 45 minutes to the point of 5 hours q day at work I was wearing 2.5kg weights on each leg then also increased the wight to 5kg per leg. Yes it hurts to start with and very tiring but I also notice results very quickly.
It sounds like you just wore them during normal daily routine and didn’t jump right into trying to run and do calisthenics with weights. Just wear them around first till you get used to them. That by its self is going to work your muscles. Curious, what are the weights you use?
@@christophercronkhite5694 yeah started with the daily routine. You will be surprised by the difference. Sportner do a set very simular to mine. Once id got use to them I'd pair them up with an exercise bike in my routine but be careful as you can cause pain in your ankles very easily if they arent strapped up properly
@@chrishickling5497 sounds like something that could very easily hurt you instead, I'm gunna listen to the large scale research which details negligible gains with high risk of problems. Human bones are only meant to support so much weight, it's why people who are obese are in pain just from standing or walking for extended periods of time. This should be clear to anyone who works out responsibly, but you should NEVER do a workout that is legitimately painful, soreness afterwards is to be expected but if you are in pain you're just harming your body and then you'll be out longer while you heal. Your anecdotal evidence of improved strength is both insufficient to determine actual effectiveness, and unproven as it's merely words on RU-vid.
Nice work dude that stuff is intense! The only thing I think Goku did differently was add weight over time but we don't get to see that when he first does it since it's during the time skip. But having tried this myself I agree that our bodies could never become accustomed to the weight without evolving on another planet haha. Ps I was only getting to like 1.25g training and it was already nuts.
Makes sense to me. On a side note, there isn't a hyperbolic chamber or senso beans. But, swimming pool and Jacuzzi (water therapy)are great for healing.
Ok so here's the thing with this video on the outside okay cool he tried it and it didn't work .wrong as fuck the fact he's sore and tired means it worked is it smart to throw on as much weight right off the bat like he did ? HELL NO you build up to wearing that much weight . To actually prove if this works first of all he would have to take before and after photos and weight measurements along with doing physical tests something like the navys prt . Then after a few MONTHS of building up to the weight desired once he can COMFORTABLY wear it he takes the stuff off and then takes photos and weight measurements and does the prt again to see if there were improvements . Throwing something on one day and expecting immediate results is just STUPID thats why this video proves fuck all and is a waste of time for everyone
@@Cellaperian guy made calcs and clearly said that there is a possibility for gains at the risk of injury. But all the angry people on the section who clearly train with weighted clothes, forget that Goku wore the clothes for as long as he had them..
@@marshal8358 yet we are not anime protagonists are we so to avoid and minimize that risk and give our bodies a shot we would have to build up to it . I just seriously think its bullshit he used this to reinforce his preformed biased opinion without doing proper documentation or testing at all . I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge him saying that oh no my bad , I don't fucking care . I could go into my basement right now start throwing some punches at my punching bag and blow out my elbow but you don't see me posting a video " do punching bags work " and utilizing the fact you can blow out your elbows n sprain wrists as the fact they don't work. While saying oh yeah there's possible gains but with the risk of injury .
And then they say that he didn't do it right because he hasn't been training for this moment his whole life.... because if he had then he would be experiencing exactly what the studies that he cites say he would be experiencing: joint deterioration, stress fractures, arthritis, etc... ask any vet that was part of an initial contact force what carrying heavy loads does to your body over time.
@@josephallen2672 Oh yeah, it screws your body up. I was in for almost 7 years. And in that amount of time I actually shrunk from 5ft 3/4 in to 5ft 1/4 in. So I shrunk two fourths of an inch. Imagine the height loss of someone that has been in for 20+ years.
Well no, you train your muscles part-time just lifting waits and then train them for endurance after that, then you do the clothing for a while, then you train before increasing the waits. Even then the stress being constant is a bad idea. I'm sure you were non-serious in a being funny sort of way but it is somewhat interesting that it could largely be done if gone about differently.
Everyone else: commenting actually intelligent concerns Me: See, where you went wrong is that you ate a bowl of ramen instead of approximately 100 bowls of rice.
Kyle, you are a F***ING BEAST for that pull up etc. OMG, talk about putting your health at risk. Major props. But imagine doing every day for a decade or so and even increasing the weight as you go, you seriously would be a force to anyone.
Ive never put on 1.3 g's worth of weighted clothing but I have exercised in steel toe boots for extended periods of time. I felt so much lighter when I took them off.
Hey Krillin is Human and he wasn't the butt of many jokes hell he even got the hottest girl IMHO plus Toriama himself has said Krillin is the strongest Human
@@kaelhyun2401 yeah but we all know he could be stronger....its the same thing with Gohan they lack the motivation to better themselves yet they wonder how they are getting their asses kicked
When my son was born I proposed a plan whereby we sewed weights into all of his clothes, then on his first day of kindergarten give him unweighted clothes for the first time in his life so he'd be an inhumanly strong and fast toddler. My wife overruled me. Probably the right decision, after watching this.
I learned from Hybrid Calisthenics just because your muscles are strong enough to do something doesn't mean your joints or tendons are as well, be careful folks!
That looked so gnarly and I definitely want to try this now haha But what I'm curious about is how this would affect the body if it was applied in a progressive overload model, where a small weight is added and slowly increased as you got used to it. Would the effect on the joints be just as bad, and would the benefits count more without such drastic fatigue?
“I don’t think I’ve ever measured myself with a ruler.” “You don’t do it with a ruler-you do it with a measuring tape.” “Oh, sorry. I was an adolescent boy at one point.” We just not gonna talk about this exchange? 😆
The worst part of this (both in terms of accuracy and health) seems like the hand weights, since if you were actually in higher gravity the mass would be across your entire arm rather than at the very end so it would be less intensive on the shoulders.
I feel like the strategy here is flawed, not because it's an inaccurate outfit, but because Goku didn't *start* at a high weight iirc. Start with something that is just heavy enough to be uncomfortable and move up slowly from there. Admittedly, it's a much longer test.
Yeah, also eventually he would get used to it. Just like any other training gear you will need to increase the resistance over time to continue gaining.
@@leeroyjenkins0 the idea behind weighted clothing is to increase the effectiveness of other training, if you go really heavy you WILL cause yourself damage
@@leeroyjenkins0 "No pain, no gain" is total bullshit. Just ask any fitness expert, it's more liable to do more harm than good if you work out like that.
@sbcontt YT yeah many people wear weighted vests and such. You can even wear heavy chainmail as something similar to test. Marathon runners will sometimes wear weighted stuff while practicing I also know some people in the military before they go, will carry or wear weighted things. Since in training they test you brutally on endurance, the practice beforehand helps with endurance tests.
@Michael Brown I will be honest that costume could have been done in 2-3 days. I don't get it why they took so long since it kinda looks like hot garbage, but as long as he likes it that's all that matters. I just say that it's worse than most cosplay costumes that are made by amateurs.
@@florianb2856 I didn't say anything about weapons counting. That farmer looks like 250 pounds of more muscle than fat. He's a big guy, I think he could smash Kyle in a heartbeat.
"Must be made of something weak, like paper mache or Raditz" On a serious note, I do appreciate all the random science knowledge that you drop in my brain.
I wore weights on my ankles once when I was playing Dance Dance Revolution. It was effectively only about 1.1g, which wasn't very hard to manage, but the rapid foot movements resulted in the weight harness around my ankles being ripped to shreds before I could make any determination about its effectiveness.
Personal trainer: "Start easy and then slowly increase the difficulty until you're uncomfortable and then stay there until you get comfortable, then keep increasing". Kyle: "Hehe, Ima start at +50% gravity, what could possibly go wrong? lmao"
@@Dr_Snickerz as a person who carries about 40 lbs on his back and around 15 on each arm two miles because I got no car and gotta carry my groceries- no. Honestly it is easier and faster to get injured than any benefits. You're injuring ligaments and tendons around your shoulders, wrists, and elbows. Maybe if you're a body builder or something...? But no, way better to do calisthetics and drill like crazy to gain a increase in athletic performances. I keep fit, walk, do cardio, eat healthy and I always gotta take it easy. I once pulled my paraspinal lumbar doing my grocery run... wasn't fun, was in bed for 3 months straight.
@@tamil8108 you miss the point of the original comment above, and the Canon. Goku AND Krillin didn't start off wearing weighted boots, wristbands, belts, and shirts... they started with 50lb Shells (essentially running with a 50lb backpack on your back)... no mean feat, but they started with a reasonably tough challenge and built up strength, speed, and stamina. They then started over at 100lb shells. While we don't see every increment and stage, the tournament where Goku revealed he wears weighted clothing implies he built up over time, adding small amounts, little by little... remember muscle has its own weight, any weight you build onto your body is creating resistance of its own. There is no difference between starting him starting at 1.5Gs than a 90lb weakling starting with 55lb dumbells... he skipped the preliminary training. For reference Goku & Krillin trained 8 months at 50lbs before moving up to 100lbs. Goku took 3 years to go from 100lbs on his back to 250lbs divided between his wrists, ankles, and torso (We can actually divide this reasonably to 25lbs per wrist, 50lbs per boot, and 100lbs in the shirt, meaning Goku redistributed the weight on his torso and spent 3 years building up his arms and legs to do reasonable levels of work... again, 25lbs per wrist is little difference than a top level weight lifter curling 25lb dumbells, far less than the 50+ lbs dumbells sold by companies like Power Block, Barngym, Topeakmart, Weider, Bowflex, and many others). You don't teach an infant to swim by strapping 50lbs to each ankle and tossing them in the ocean over the Mariana Trench.
@@tamil8108 Tx said it. I also find a problem with the way Kyle had the weight secured. My pack doesn’t move once I have it on. The weight never shifts. I am not a body builder but I do extensive weight training and lots of running. I also do wear weights when I run. 12lbs on my ankles secured inside my boots and an additional 10lbs strapped to my thighs almost at the hip flexors. It honestly helps with explosive strength more than anything. I work with my hands too, I can hold 25lbs straight out for a minute (tried it today) before my deltoids start to burn. It’s actually not bad for training time under tension but Kyle is right that there are more effective ways to train though risk of injury doesn’t appear to be that much lower than weights all the time. The real issue you would run into is over training. Too much work in = less gains out. A better way to train all the muscle groups in shoulders and arms would be to carry the majority of the weight closer to his shoulder itself and work the weights down as he gets stronger. There probably isn’t enough weight there to hurt his back but for his size and lack of training, he is definitely going too hard too quick. The fact that he can do a pull up shows the amount of weight isn’t the issue, it’s how and where that weight is located.
I love this. I’m currently doing training similar. I have my Kensui Vest which allows me to put on 200lbs or about 90KG. I have found wrist bands that I can turn into 5KG or about 20lbs total. The boots will be tricky because no one makes a 20KG boot. My goal is to move and function with all of it on. My body is currently utilizing and adapting to the 120lb vest. I also have loaded it to a maximum of 400lbs. With the hep of 4 other people. I was able to take a few steps without collapsing.
@@littlemulberryleaf1983 I still have the vest. I was seeing the best results using it for 1 hour twice a week. My body hasn't shown anything wrong or detrimental. I did notice speed gains when using it three times a week.
That's how I walked after having my foot fractured. Not being able to touch the ground with my foot . And then walk after a month and a half after getting well.
The push up wouldn't be too bad but the chin up would be brutal, Kyle deffinetly in good shape. I remember wearing wrist and leg weights when I was a kid 15lbs per each and it was dang exhausting. The weight over one specific area of the body was the worst part though, it wasnt evenly distributed like it would be In a high G environment.
Its not like you are supposed to start at such a high weight anyway. the point is to work up to it, adding a little weight each week or two. Start with just an added 1 or 2 pounds to each ankle, thigh, wrist, elbow, belt, shoulder/chest strap. Thats less than 30 lbs. And yes all soldiers get stronger from carrying their packs around. the longer you carry it around, the less of a burden it becomes, to the point when you drop the gear you are not fatigued. you get to that point, add a couple more weights. repeat. yamcha is yamcha because he always goes in over his head, then gets PREDICTABLY wrecked. dont be predictable and over burden yourself for training, and you wont be a yamcha
Also just don't use Wrist weights. Like Kyle said in the previous video creating torque is bad for your joints and you should only do up and down motions. So weighted vest is fine (like firefighters train) and so are weighted anklets especially for going up and down stairs. (make sure not to do leg raises, any exercise with up and down motion is fine.) Like Radbug says too if you do use something for wrists it should be light, like half a pound. It doesn't have to be crazy heavy. When you remove the weights you'll feel so light weight and fast! Kyle should have maybe tested with lighter versions of the weighted clothing. Like Quarter pound wrist guards, half pound anklets and 5 pound vest. I bet he would have had some really good results.
