Do Not Make a PVC Pipe Bow Until You Watch This

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Hey everyone! Here's the hammer test, a great way to avoid using brittle PVC pipe when making bows. Remember, if a PVC bow fails, brittle pipe cracks and shatters while impact resistant pipe folds and can be repaired.
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@keyosuke 6 лет назад

As much as I've grown far away from any kind of PVC for anything, I can't say enough how much I respect telling people to test materials before doing a DIY. Thanks for this message of caution.

@BackyardBowyer 6 лет назад

+keyosuke Thank you for watching!

@melcrose 6 лет назад

and if you wrapped the finished bow in tape, chances of a "kill your eye" explosion are reduced drastically

@KurtKobains 7 лет назад

I just tried this but the staff at Home Depot got really mad at me.

@youngbreath6358 6 лет назад

Bad joke

@GRDray 6 лет назад

Phil M lol.

@raphaelbird1423 5 лет назад

I- fuk yes

@zaobmontana9115 5 лет назад

Yarcofin 😂😂😂

@TheDesertwalker 5 лет назад

Did you test it with a Home Depot hammer?

@Keyboardbeatz 7 лет назад

I took a hammer to my hardware store and started smashing PVC pics. Now I'm banned. Thanks Nic

@smartsontv7077 4 года назад

uwotm8 lol

@Tj-bt7yy 4 года назад

😭🤷🏾‍♂️

@AshishBhedarkar 3 года назад

😂😂😂

@robotman7945 3 года назад

Goodjob

@Arrowheadmaker 3 года назад

Just buy one a hope for the best, but yes he is right on getting a good pipe !

@TheDIYMaster 7 лет назад

It's too late backyard Bowyer and everyone watching I used bad pvc and made a bow. The bow snapped and the string whipped me in the eye. Now I have a scar on my eye lid. Tbh looks sick af

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Rubber Propelled Weapons Are you alright? I'm sorry to hear your bow broke. If anything, welcome to the brotherhood of broken bows. I myself have more than a few scars from bow explosions, mostly from wood bows. I had posted a similar video before, but not many people saw it. I hoped a more clickbait-esque title would reach more people. Thanks for watching!

@broderickelliott8527 5 лет назад

@@BackyardBowyer have you experimented with the merits of different types of PVC, such as CPVC, gray conduit, orange, purple, blue and black (if they even make black or blue in a "1 gauge)? I'm paying attention with this hammer test, but I wondered if the different chemical compositions of these pipes might make a difference. I watched a video where someone made a sling-bow with the orange. I also wondered if you had tried heat treating the pipes and then retesting them after an appropriate cooling time and what the outcome was.

@XaceLeem 5 лет назад

Crazy russian hacker where safety is #1 priority

@thegreatoutdoors1075 5 лет назад

Rubber Propelled Weapons That made me spend the extra 3 dollars to get furniture grade, thanks - Conor

@iliricumdrymountain8092 5 лет назад

What if a string is put through pipe, if it snaps string will make everything just safer

@sergeantbigmac 6 лет назад

I just can not believe the people criticizing you because your video is longer than THEY think it needs to be... Content that is FREE to them btw. I hate people sometimes.

@bullswoodworks8398 5 лет назад

Youre so right. LOL. I hate people all of the time.

@caswallonandflur692 5 лет назад

I love every one . I just hate the assholes ! 😏

@NPCSN 5 лет назад

True story.

@jameshutto3047 5 лет назад

I never understood complaints against free content

@laokon 5 лет назад

sometimes?

@Nighthawkinlight 7 лет назад

Yikes. I've always trusted the Charlotte pipe myself for pressure use, I may have to retest. Certainly you wouldn't want to trust a pipe that brittle after it's taken a hit. I haven't seen it brittle to that point except after years of hot and cold storage

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+NightHawkInLight I know! Charlotte pipe has always been a favorite because of its reliability. The of things it is that it's only become a problem this year. Before that, I would only have one or two failures. Both pipes I used were from the same bundle, and that particular batch ended up with about 60% failing. Thanks for watching!

@cucklord2310 7 лет назад

NightHawkInLight I love your channel

@jevaikramullah8798 6 лет назад

NightHawkInLight wow hi there

@Strange-Viking 6 лет назад

U.v. is the biggest culprit if not manufactured like that bad.

@banon9573 6 лет назад

The difference you are seeing between pipes is most likely a result of storage between the time of manufacture and the date of sale. UV is the most corrosive element. A pipe the outside of the bundle may have been exposed to sunlight for a prolonged period of time which could result in it becoming brittle. A pipe from the center of the same bundle would have virtually no exposure to UV so it would remain far more flexible. I have seen PVC water pipes in basements burst because they were exposed to sunlight through a window for a couple of years. Take this into account when you make anything from PVC pipe. There are several good paints available now that will adhere to PVC. If you want PVC to last paint it to protect it from UV light.

@Christos1680 7 лет назад

I think the brittleness of the pipe is due to the storage condition of the material depending on the distributor that stores buy their supply from.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Christos1680 That could be possible, but it doesn't account for how many pipes now fail compared to before. Even virgin pipes straight from the manufacturer still have this problem. That and pipe stored outdoors tends to turn yellow with UV exposure. Thanks for watching!

@AnimeEcstasy333 5 лет назад

Hey, can you link this at the beginning of your bow tutorial? I never would've thought to check this first but it showed up later on my feed. Thanks!

@williwonti 7 лет назад

My bet is they're using fewer conditioning chems to shave pennies.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+williwonti I wouldn't be surprised. Thanks for watching!

@theultimatehangover7576 7 лет назад

can't tell if pun. profile pic is throwing me off.

@joshuaragon6676 6 лет назад

williwonti true. Anything to save a quick buck. And one of these days someone will get injured putting in a sprinkler system or something one will snap and fly in their face and these companies will get sued.

@billyandrew 4 года назад

@@joshuaragon6676 Can't sue if you use something outwith it's purpose.

@1959jimbob 4 года назад

@@BackyardBowyer are there designation markings on the various pipes. Just using the numbers next here to illustrate what I mean so there is no confusion about what I am asking. Let's say that pipe #1has an id number of XRW14398705 and it was brittle. Pipe #2 id number was XRX14398705 and was durable and flexible.

@hopefilledsinner3911 4 года назад

WOW! thankyou, I've made several PVC bows and never had a problem it just shows you the subtle differences in plastic. Sunlight can effect most plastics over time.

@johnkeck1025 4 года назад

I agree with you, i think the pvc manufacturers DO need to make a pipe that is specifically suited for the craft industry. Your input on that would be most valuable. Thanks for a great video!

@isabelle4039 6 лет назад

Does the brittle quality of the bad pipes affect how the pipe acts when heated and bent to shape? I plan on making a non-functioning bow for cosplay that will not be used for firing arrows.

@speeds155 2 года назад

Thank you for generously sharing your knowledge and experiences with your projects, brotha...grateful to have found your YT Channel.

@keithrodriguez6924 7 лет назад

Love the more frequent uploads! Awesome videos!

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Keith Rodriguez Awesome! Thanks for watching!

@xH2S8x 7 лет назад

I just recently found your channel and subscribed. Great stuff! Still working up the courage to try making a pvc bow. You make it look easy.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+xH2S8x Thank you for watching! If you are in the fence about it, try something simple like this bow so you can get a better idea of whether you like making bows or not. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rmxn-nPNhY8.html

@jllaine 6 лет назад

Awesome Videos Nick! a few thoughts about brittle pipe. Recommended long term exposure for PVC heat is only 110° F, it might have spent a lot of time in a container on the back parking lot at the shipper or the store in the summer sun accelerating the off-gassing of the plasticizers (that smell when you heat form it). If it's bad for a dog or a baby in a car, it's probably bad for low temperature thermoplastic in a shipping container. Second, definitely try to get in touch with the manufacture. The plastic (flex and shock absorbing) property of PVC pipe is what allows it to be used in direct bury applications like waste water lines, sump pump discharge, and irrigation systems. Pipe that shatters like that probably no longer meets code requirements and would shatter with the first frost heave.

@Scottishblacksmith61 6 лет назад

Duncan here, Thank You So MUCH !!! I was going out today or tomorrow to start a bow for the first time and WOW what an eye opener !!!

@BackyardBowyer 6 лет назад

+Duncan MacTavish Thank you for watching!

@edwardmorley1802 5 лет назад

have you tried pre heating the pipe before the hammer test? im thinking it might release internal stresses.

@anderwmarcell9503 7 лет назад

thank you for the instruction. Yes some PVC has changed. I used some to frame a greenhouse, some cracked

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Anderw Marcell Thank you for watching!

@randylewis3080 5 лет назад

Thank you for the information. This is why I watch your videos.

@markhendley5559 7 лет назад

ive been watching your channel for ages thanks for always making new and useful content

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Mark Hendley Thank you for the support!

@coriander1356 7 лет назад

Thank you Nick! You even have followers in Germany, i just made a PVC bow following your instructions! That tip from the video is great. Unfortunately we don't have schedule 40 PVC here, i was testing differents brands and ended up ordering from the US.. Looking forward to your next videos!

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Coriander 135 Thank you for watching!

@Blakehx 7 лет назад

Great info thanks! I'd like to see a video comparing / testing different kinds of pvc!

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Blakehx Thanks for the suggestion!

@GRDray 6 лет назад

Great video. Would there be the same worry with the long bow made with the orange fiberglass insides.? Thanks for sharing.

@andyd.1793 7 лет назад

Great advice, Nick, thanks👍

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Andy D. Thanks for watching!

@MrLee554 5 лет назад

Could you still use the brittle piping to make your release aids? Since after the pressing and cutting it doesn't need to have any flex.

@MissionaryInMexico 7 лет назад

I used to own a landscape installation corporation. I used this exact test at the store to test the schedule 40 pipe I used for irrigation systems and fish ponds and fountains.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Cristos Palabras Thank you for sharing!

@RPSchonherr 7 лет назад

I would have this problem with using pipe cutters. Some pipe cracked when you tried to cut it, others went right through. I would be spending more money sharpening the cutter blade so that it wasn't worth using anymore.

@asurasyn 4 года назад

Like a boss

@KaiTenSatsuma 4 года назад

And they let you do it?

@MrCh0o 4 года назад

@@KaiTenSatsuma I suppose you could just pay for the piece you're going to be testing?

@djc4446 3 года назад

Hey Nic do You think it may be possible to treat existing brittle pvc by some sort of simple chemical or tempering type process to cause it to obtain the desired quailities? Maybe some of the manufacturers could shed some light on this issue.

@bluefox1012 6 лет назад

What kind of paint works best to avoid chipping off of the pvc? Or will anything chip eventually?

@blueroseyt 6 лет назад

Thanks for making this vid. I have made several different project over the year with PVC pipe. I have seen this brittleness in old pvc that has been out in the weather for a long time. I admit to being shocked at the news of new pipe being this brittle. Charlotte pvc pipe has been my go to in the past. Years ago i made a few PVC air cannons and used up to 120psi in those air canons. this brittleness is dangerous in other hobbies using using pvc. It is disappointing that the product has gone downhill like this. Have you found this brittleness in sch 80 pipe or plastic (grey) electrical pvc also? I have enjoyed all your vids I have seen and learned something from each one. Thank you for sharing your knowledge so freely for others to learn from and build on. Keep the vids coming. Patrick.

@azurplex 4 года назад

I wonder if one could treat the pipe to bring back its elasticity like "warmth treating" it or using a conditioner like Armor-All or other product specifically designed for pvc/vinyl.

@FargoFX 7 лет назад

Wow! That is a HUGE difference between pipes. Great tip!

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+FargoFX It is, which is concerning because it was never this bad. Thanks for watching!

@zachgaines8349 6 лет назад

I've been extensively using a bow made from an unbranded piece of scrap I found in the trash for about three months. What are the chances that it'll break on me after being proven through extensive use? Or does it work more on a m echanic that its more likely to break as time goes on?

@56thSPSk970 4 года назад

Does the brittleness come from out side storage uv rays?. Try electrical conduit the gray color is uv resistant.

@billyeast6819 6 лет назад

Great videos Nic!. Hello. I have a question: What if you capped a pvc bow that was 4/5ths filled with water? Would the bow with the water be more powerful as water can not be compressed?

@BackyardBowyer 6 лет назад

+Billy East I've tried something similar to this. Adding water adds a lot of weight and adds more strain to the center of the handle. It's a little different with a tapered bow, but almost impossible to get a good seal. There really isn't anything I've tried so far to fill pipes with that improves performance. Pretty much everything either just makes the bow more sluggish or less forgiving to shoot. You do sometimes get lower handshock, but this can be done by just reinforcing the handle, and works much better than filling the limbs. Hope this helps!

@BrunoMarcondesMusico 7 лет назад

Hey, Nick! I love your work, man! Keep it up! Since you~re always asking for suggestions for new "things" to build, here's mine: there's nothing on youtube or anywhere else about making a solid fiberglass bow. they're pretty popular and easily available on the mainstream market, however, no tutorials or instructions whatsoever out there on how they're made! There might not even be a way to make them diy, but if there's one, you're the man to share it with us! Peace!

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Bruno Marcondes Thanks for the suggestion! That would be cool. I have seen solid fiberglass limbs made by laying unidirectional fiberglass fibers with resin in a mold. I don't think making a whole bow would be any harder, you just need a bigger form, hot box, and a longer working resin.

@BrunoMarcondesMusico 7 лет назад

yeah, you're right. I've seen people make the limbs separetely and then attach them to wooden risers. Question is, do you think you might be testing that out anytime soon? I hope you do, man! That'd be awesome!

@silentpaw 7 лет назад

Thanks for this. I don't make bows, but this info is also good for those who make Boffer weapons for LARP use.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+silentpaw Thanks for watching! The more I think about it, I think this test would be good for anyone who uses PVC pipe for pretty much anything, even for plumbing!

@PetesCreativeRecycling 7 лет назад

I love your channel! It's been consistently good for years. Build suggestion: You've made bows, arrows, string, quivers, as well as many things with flint napping and forging. Have you ever considered making a metal bow?

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Pete's Creative Recycling Thanks for watching! That's an awesome idea! I have not made one yet. I got to look at an old steel bow last year, thought it was brilliantly made. And brittle pipes do not get less brittle after heating and cooling. Brittle pipe means there's a problem in the plastic, heating and cooling most pipe won't change that.

@JesterTester 5 лет назад

Just wondering, a bow made from good PVC would turn brittle after a while itself. Wouldn't it? Especially if stored in less than ideal conditions.

@AMarshmallowPie 6 лет назад

Very helpful content. I didn't have a hammer at the time of making mine, but it is Charlotte piping, but has black letters, and was made in 2017, according to the date on the pipe. I swung it as hard as I could and hit concrete with it, and I did so for about 6 minutes, and it didn't even smoosh or crack. It just wobbled in my hand, and so I made the bow. I then got a smaller piece that I had cut off of it to make the bow, and hammered it, and it had the same result. Maybe the lettering is indicative of the quality difference/functionality? I don't know. Anyhoo, thanks for the heads up and info.

@langdonplaster491 6 лет назад

Can you heat treat it and effectively temper it to the hammer?

@kenchapman4067 6 лет назад

Any word back on this? I love your videos and am currently "collecting the materials for my first medeival crossbow.. I just need a few more bottles to trade for my anvil (for the bodkin points). JK on the bottles, but I order everything from Amazon and can't find metal rebarof any length. Is there some obscure nomenclature?

@ZONIAN955 6 лет назад

What is the flute music at the end ? It has a classic bamboo harmonic to it.

@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055 7 лет назад

Thank you for your video.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Mr Saturday Night Special Thank you for watching!

@huyked 7 лет назад

Great and informative video, Nick. Thank you!

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+huyked Thank you for watching!

@alphasigmasezon8597 5 лет назад

Great advice, Nick, thanks

@mackado 7 лет назад

I think what's happening here is not necessarily a difference in the manufacture of the pipe but in storage. Many plastics degrade in this way from UV light exposure. It's easy to think hardware store supply chains sometimes have skids of this stuff outside for months at a time.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Matt Machado It could be, but the problem is happening to direct-from-manufacturer plumbing, electrical, and furniture grade pipes, and at least one pallet of pipe (I have moments where I go through a lot of pipe). You can usually tell if pipe is UV damaged because it yellows. It also sometimes develops spiderweb-like cracks on the surface. The problem is that pipes without signs of UV damage are acting too brittle. It may be something that is applied to the pipe, perhaps as a cleaner or conditioner. Another viewer brought up chemicals in a construction site making the pipe used brittle. I wouldn't be surprised if something is applied that is making the pipe brittle. The same thing can happen if PVC is cleaned with acetone or PVC solvent. Certain plastic paints can also do the same thing. Thanks for watching!

@percywest5448 6 лет назад

You are right Matt about a lot of PVC pipe is improperly stored. Also PVC does not necessarily yellow especially during early UV damage.

@xzqzq 5 лет назад

I used to work at Lowe's in plumbing. We would store PVC outside in sun for months at a time.

@garybusby6340 6 лет назад

Have you tried using the grey electrical pvc conduit?, its cheaper than plumbing pvc pipe.

@Mixwell1983 4 года назад

I thought i heard you or someone say use a 3/4" pipe with about a 3mm sidewall.. Home Depot sells Charlotte and i saw 2 different pipes. Once i looked at the specs tab on one of em the inside diameter is .75 and outside was 1.05.. So i took that and converted to MM which came out to 2.87 MM roughly.. I assume this would be the one.. The other decimap conversions and by sheer sight you can tell have a thinner wall. If anyone is confused just look at all the white 3/4" schedule 40 and get the one with the thickest sidewalls i am guessing.. Perhaps another fail safe could be wrapping the bow in duct tape so if it were to fail the shatter effect would be somewhat contained..

@bigguy2144 3 года назад

I was just looking at the Home Depot website and wondering the exact same thing. There are two 3/4" white schedule 40 pipes. The one is for potable water and has a thicker wall and says it is rated for 480 psi whereas the other is thinner, is for non-potable water and says nothing about pressure ratings. Both are the same price for a ten foot length oddly enough. I've never made a pvc bow before but I'm thinking of going with the potable water one....

@TheFiddleGuy 7 лет назад

Despite the negative commenters, I see no reason why a pvc supplier who saw this and liked customer satisfaction wouldn't try to reach out and help you out with maybe making pipe specifically for bow making

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Jacob Kirkpatrick That's my hope. Especially when you look at the impact PVC bows are having all over the world, this could be a huge potential market. What I'm really hoping is that manufacturers in other countries will step up their game and produce consistent and safe pipe for making bows. Because PVC bows have the power to spread archery in places where archery equipment simply is too expensive or hard to get, this opens up a huge opportunity to companies. At the same time, the health of PVC bowyers will be protected and the bows themselves will be safer. And with many people looking back to old traditions, PVC bows are the perfect blend of old and new. They are a bridge, forged in modern times, that spans back through time. That's my favorite style of archery.

@sjeverett75 3 года назад

The amount of pipe used for bows vs the amount used for actual plumbing is most likely a fraction of a percent. Its really not cost effective for company manufacturing huges volumes to change their process for a few hundred or even few thousand pipes. You are better off talking with people who sell custom pbc pipe for potato guns. They have clear, rifled and and other specialty pipe. They may be able to point you in the right direction. Also, have you tried CPVC instead of PVC?

@saurabhbhardwaj6790 6 лет назад

im not finding a schedule 40 PVC pipe in my locality . Can i use a PP-R pipe instead of similar thickness ??

@cafiristanemperor 3 года назад

Hello, nice test! One question, though? After doing the hammer test, do we need to cut how many inches from the edge that were hammered on? I assume the tip cannot be used, right? Cheers from Brazil!

@dannywilkinson7160 5 лет назад

Is there a way to "temper" the pipe before doing the test, or making the bow?

@SteelWaffle112 4 года назад

If you heat it itll bend instead of breaking lol but no not really

@seteasas 2 года назад

Hi nick, Can I use CPVC ou PPR the same way as PVC pipes for making bows?

@hepsigecer 5 лет назад

What about using a carbon-fiber pipe instead? I know its more expensive but i already got one so im curious.

@billyeast6819 7 лет назад

Nick, Great Video! What about ABS pipe? Have you ever tried making a limb from flat ABS sheet material?

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Billy East I have not tried sheet ABS as I've only been able to find low density sheets and a very brittle sheet form. I'm still looking. Thanks for watching!

@guerrero8682 7 лет назад

One of my bows shattered I should have tried the hamer test before hand. Thanks for the advise Nicholas !

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Capi Guerrero I'm sorry too hear that. What type of bow was it, if you don't mind me asking? Thank you for watching!

@davideastwood2162 5 лет назад

hi, i would like to make a bow. after searching all hardware stores for pvc pipe i cant find any at all in my country. all pipes here seem to be labeled upvc. is this still an acceptable material for bow making? thanks.

@azurplex 4 года назад

I wonder if the pipe being brittle is a factor of being stored too long or in the cold or shipped too exposed to sunlight perhaps.

@pablosanelli4241 4 года назад

Hi. I made a bow out of a pvc pipe but it folds every time and it's unable to create any tension in the cord. Do I have to put a backup around the PVC pipe?. Or it's just that mi PVC it's not strong enough

@gaelcross 3 года назад

I had a 1m PVC pipe at home that I used to make your hammer test, it was perfect. So yesterday I bought a 2m PVC pipe with the exact same reference and made a bow following your instructions. But it suddenly broke, shattering pieces nearly on my face, even though the PVC was quite flexible and resistant. Do you think it's because of the heating process ? Can it break if you heat too much or not enough before bending the pipe ? I'll wait for your answers before trying again.

@andrewgoldstein1606 7 лет назад

Thanks for the info. I have to test the pvc pipe I have in storage. I can ask my brother who works with some plastic manufactures and see what they come up with. Take care

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Andrew Goldstein That's awesome, looking forward to what he says! Thank you for watching!

@andrewgoldstein1606 7 лет назад

My brothers company uses different plastics for wall protection and fabrication of safety equipment in houses. I will see if I can get contact info and maybe price/materials catalogs. More then happy to help.

@mkshffr4936 9 месяцев назад

Have you found any difference in failure rates with schedule 80 v.s. schedule 40?

@vlacula 6 лет назад

Thanks. My first two 1.2m PVC pieces broke at the first hit. You saved my nephews from an accident. Going to look for another PVC provider

@KaletheQuick 7 лет назад

Maybe you can contact one of the chemistry youtubers (Nile Red, NurdRage, CodysLab), and see if you can find a way to see what the pipes are actually made of.

@BackyardBowyer 6 лет назад

+KaletheQuick That would be cool! thanks for the suggestion!

@TheDesertwalker 5 лет назад

This is an excellent suggestion. Was this done? Thanks.

@NPCSN 5 лет назад

Great idea!

@ASAF53612 4 года назад

@tan j maz can i make a bow with hidraulic pvc? o what kind of pvc do you recomend to make a bow

@racingrivals8934 4 года назад

They're made of polviynl chloride i think its the curing what makes it brittle question would heating them up stop them from being brittle

@volthunter3 6 лет назад

hey with the pipes you were testing are you testing the length you are going to make the bow out of or are you testing a cut off piece of the pipe that's only use is to be tested?

@BackyardBowyer 6 лет назад

+volthunter3 I use cut-off pieces. I'm not sure if hammering actually damages tough pipe or not (haven't done enough tests to say either way) but my gut says hammering an area of pipe that will end up in the finished bow is a bad idea. Hope this helps!

@scottb4509 4 года назад

is the grey conduit PVC pipe more, less, or equally likely to shatter??

@PetesCreativeRecycling 7 лет назад

If you apply heat to a brittle piece of PVC, is it still brittle when it cools?

@williamcolvin3609 5 лет назад

What about the PEX Tubing they use for water lines in housing now?

@user-ls3sn8lc8r 4 года назад

İf i don't plan to shoot the bow, i just need to make a bow for prop, do I also need to test the pipe ?

@walterwaller9784 7 лет назад

Could a person heat it to soften it and reduce the brittleness?

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Walter Waller Heating the pipe will only reduce the brittleness until it cools back down. Overheating can actually degrade the plastic and make it more brittle once it cools. Thank you for watching! I hope this helps!

@danoqamyasharahla6544 5 лет назад

@@BackyardBowyer I also believe that tapering PVC gives it longevity and reduces the chance of the PVC exploding.

@LongBowMan89 7 лет назад

Great video ! Keep up the great work..

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+LongBowMan89 Thanks!

@JesusOfTheJungle 2 года назад

Does anyone know what they call furniture grade pvc pipe in Australia? Also, I REALLY want the pvc pip guys to get in touch with you. Pvc specifically for diy bows would be amazing!

@TheChubbyJB 3 года назад

What conditions do you store your pvc bows? I would imagine they all become brittle over time.

@mitchellclendening7682 2 года назад

I'm very late (obviously) but I believe they're stored in a dark closet or on a hanger. Also, if they're covered with tape or a finish, they are a lot more resistant to UV deterioration.

@redrivermudmonster4962 6 лет назад

Is the brittle pipe a problem with the recurve exclusively, with the heating, and angles? Or would there be a problem with the English long bow with fiberglass core as well?

@BackyardBowyer 6 лет назад

+leonard johnson The brittle pipe is more of a problem for the non-flattened bows as tapering and shaping help reduce stress. Basically a brittle pipe will break while a tough pipe will either be unaffected or fold over. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching!

@allenimbody9035 7 лет назад

Hey silly question but have you made a PVC bow that is offset in the center like a fiberglass/compound bow?

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Allen Imbody Here's a link to a similar style of bow handle: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2k0lChH5sTo.html Hope this helps!

@kenbaker2404 6 лет назад

im not sure if anyone posted that extended exposure to uv rays causes pvc to become brittle so if it is stored out doors at the factory or even at the store it may cause the pipes to be brittle

@firstname6333 5 лет назад

Hey great video! What would your verdict be on JM Eagle pipes, in general?

@BackyardBowyer 5 лет назад

Judah Harrigan I usually avoid JM Eagle these days. They used to be hit or miss, now it's mostly just miss. They work fine as pipes, but very brittle when flexed and sometimes you can see the grit from the filler material they use.

@firstname6333 5 лет назад

@@BackyardBowyer Good to know! Appreciate the response. Youre a legendary bowyer.

@bretlemieux4533 7 лет назад

Hey Nick have you tried making your own fiberglass bow I'd like to see you try to make one yourself

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Bret Lemieux I have! It has been a while, but I got an old bow form while at a primitive skills gathering, so I may be doing one once I get everything set up.

@bretlemieux4533 7 лет назад

BackyardBowyer I look forward to seeing that vid. I've been watching your videos for years an have made a few bows for my daughter an myself. Thank you for the insperation.

@dravenkill 6 лет назад

seconded. would like to see fiberglass bow making from Nick too!!

@ablelawrence5750 7 лет назад

Well good to know now.... I made 4 pvc cross bows since watching your instructional video. Gave one to my bro.....

@lvegasr 5 лет назад

BackyardBowyer have you tried gray PVC, I believe the gray pvc is uv protected.

@lionintu 4 года назад

Schedule40

@lpburke86 4 года назад

@@lionintu the grey PVC water pipe is schedule 80. Grey PVC electrical conduit is schedule 40

@ablelawrence5750 7 лет назад

I want to add that: the ones I've made so far have all worked very well and I want to thankyou for that

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+ABLe Lawrence Thank you! I don't want to scare you, as even pipes that are brittle (but still have some toughness) will generally fold rather than break. It doesn't hurt to test future bows, but I wouldn't worry about it. Even pipes that completely fail this test can make great, long-lasting bows. It's just that there is less room for error.

@karvast5726 4 года назад

@@BackyardBowyer exactly my bow just bent instead of exploding

@TheSquizzlet Год назад

Would it be possible to heat treat the PVC to restore flexibility and resilience? If you were to make a reflective heating cradle, heat-gun the whole length of pipe until it's spaghetti floppy, then let it air cool to normal temperature again that may normalize the material the same way normalizing metal works?

@metro2673 7 лет назад

Where would I go about finding fiberglass rods. Stole a few during the North Dakota winter's but would like to get them legit.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+aimless wanderer Here's a link : www.homedepot.com/p/The-Hillman-Group-48-in-Reflective-Rod-Orange-848638/202051800? Hope this helps!

@metro2673 7 лет назад

BackyardBowyer thanks.

@michaelpemberton6127 4 года назад

Try your local bicycle shop. The long bike flag rods are a very flexible fiberglass.

@RodSalm 7 лет назад

You could reach out to the @PVCPipeAssoc ‏ via twitter or @JMEaglePipe. Typically, manufacturers don't have a lot of followers (like these ones) and actually respond. In today's world it is so much easier to reach out to people and companies AND get a response. Go for it, Nick, you're the foundation of the hobby. They'd listen. I'm sending them a link to this vid to get the dialogue started.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Rod Salm That's awesome! Thanks for getting the ball rolling! Let's see where this goes.

@edwardkipp4911 Год назад

I wonder if heating it till soft then allow it to cool slowly would fix this problem?

@aaronhughes827 5 лет назад

How would you know before you wack it, though, because after you hit it with a hammer, it's ruined, right?

@darkshadowsaver 6 лет назад

Have you tried fromufit furniture grade 3/4 inch schd 40 they say it's a high impact resistance pipe. Could you test this out for us?

@flocit 6 лет назад

I'm going to home depot in a few days to pick up some furniture grade and give it a try. It's 5' lengths but that is okay for my first project.

@heyitsannika8972 7 лет назад

Hi I love your work and I was wondering what do you use to draw out your knifes on the medol. I was also wondering what to make for my first project I would really love to get in to blacksmithing.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+HEY It's Annika!!! Hi! What shapes are you asking about? Thanks for watching and commenting!

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+HEY It's Annika!!! Hi! I sometimes use a sharpie or paint pen. Other times I use a piece of soapstone or chalk to draw the designs. Thanks for clarifying!

@thegreatfish6466 7 лет назад

I'm curious... After heating and molding a pipe that didn't pass the hammer test would it still fail the hammer test after it cooled? I may test this next time i buy pvc but it's unlikely that I'll remember to

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+THE BAG MAN It depends how badly the pipe fails. I may do a more in depth video that talks about how brittle is too brittle and where to draw the line. If a pipe was just on the edge of that, I would say yes, heating and tapering will make it less brittle because of design. The material is still brittle, but it passes because it's not that brittle to start with. If a single blow from a 1 pound hammer can shatter the pipe like glass, nothing within reason will make it tough enough to pass. If the pipe takes several hard hits before it cracks, it's still fairly tough and while it failed, I would still feel confident in it. And after saying all that, chances of you finding an absolutely terrible pipe is going to be low. And while testing may save you from a few bows breaking, they will still most likely be awesome bows. It's just that there will be less room for error. Thanks for watching, I hope this helps!

@xFxAMILY 6 лет назад

Could you strengthen the pipe by heating it up and letting it set, or wrapping the pipe with duct tape or electric tape, heating that material and letting it set and bound? Maybe I'll try it out. Idk...

@lukeluke2817 4 года назад

Have u ever used cpvc to create a bow?

@blahblahblahie 2 года назад

great video , but can anyone please help me with what dimensions and type of pipe do I need to use ? the thickness and diameter of pipe and also the diff pipes like pvc , cpvc in schedule 40 , white or grey ? this will be my first time . anything you know out of these..... ,kindly help !

@Naomi_Boyd 7 лет назад

Have you tried annealing the pipes to see if that makes any difference one way or the other?

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+Richy Rich Yes, I have tried that as well as other methods of fixing brittle pipe. The problem is that PVC is not like a metal that has a crystal lattice that can be rearranged with controlled heating and cooling. If PVC pipe is brittle it's a polymer problem that can only really be fixed (within reason) by re-mixing and re-extruding the plastic into a new pipe. Stable polymers tend to only degrade, plastic that gets tougher when heating should be avoided as they are often unstable and are known to be carcinogenic. This can be a problem in countries with lax safety standards for pipe. Thanks for watching!

@Naomi_Boyd 7 лет назад

Good info, thanks for the reply. =)

@BladeforgerKLX 7 лет назад

I had the same question that Richy Rich had... and you've apparently tried heating it up already. So, if there's no apparent fix once it has become brittle, the question obviously becomes how to select it (or reject it) at the store. As someone above already said, it could perhaps be the big box stores (or distributors) storing it in the sunlight before moving it inside to the shelves. If that is the case, we might be able to find some stores or sources that do NOT store their PVC in the sunlight. I don't know. Anyway, thanks VERY MUCH for this particular video because it's definite food for thought. And thanks for all of the bow-making videos, too.

@BackyardBowyer 7 лет назад

+BladeforgerKLX UV damaged pipes are pretty easy to spot. If a pipe looks like it's more chalky, especially if you can scrape it with your fingernail, don't use it. If a pipe looks yellow compared to others, avoid it as well. If it has small, spiderweb looking cracks on it's surface, don't use it. Also avoid pipes with deep gashes or scrapes. I've also had this problem with direct-from-manufacturer pipe. My hope was that furniture grade, while more expensive, would be a surefire choice. It's still really good, but considering one bad stick of furniture grade costs as much as 6 or more plumbing pipes, it's enough to lose confidence. So for now the best thing is to test, keeping in mind that what I showed here are extremes. You don't need a pipe as tough as the second while you should definitely avoid the first. If the pipe can handle a few good whacks but still ends up cracking, I would still feel confident in using it. Thanks for watching!

@killmongar081 5 лет назад

PVC pipe or CPVC pipe should we use?

@sloanick100 3 года назад

Does heating the pipe change the temper of the pvc?

@williamlaughlin6675 6 лет назад

What schedule pipe do you use?

@antoniolim762 11 месяцев назад

Besides the hammer test...is there another way to test if the PVC has become brittle (like some kind of bend or pinch/poke that may indicate brittleness)...and wouldn't PVC kinda turn brittle to an extent when you heat bend it (kinda like tempering steel to give it hardness) then let it cool down (the quench)??? What thickness (and brand/kind) of PVC makes for good DIY Bows or Slingshots/Slingbows? TYVM for the Vids and PSAs (:D)!!!