Do or Don't: Beasts of Chaos 

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@@lorddevilfish5868 well at least they have slaangores I guess

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@@BorninFlames237 what is sponsor block? I've heard that raid has some particularly bad in game monetizing

Lmao, every time.

You guys get to see Beastmen? I get that message before I even leave starting province. Sometimes just a moment after I step outside it.

@@baird5682 BEASTMEN COME! Raaargh! nya?

install dynamic world mod and they actually fullfill their role in the game of being annoying nuisance that if left unchecked cant steamroll some order factions

@@Shanghai_cola Dynamic world mod looks like a visual update and nothing more. Not seeing anything that would improve gameplay or any gameplay changes mentioned. Perhaps you are refering to living world mod?

yeah i was gonna comment this video aged like milk, since they are removing them from AOS

It would be slightly less painful of BoC had like, any cool non-generic character unit in AoS. At least in fantasy we had a handful of named characters.

@@stefanzaric2111 We have Gashrak and his despoilers I think. I think they are from the underworld game though.

I always assumed Beastmen could Grand Alliance jump to Destruction for Kragnos. Like Ogors for Order and Death, and Soulblight for Order and Chaos.

@@oomsou5018 I am aware of Grashrak Fellhoof (Actually recently payed a fortune to get him) but he is basically just a run of the mill Bray Sharman with a unique spell and a squad that is just herdstone fodder. Not to mention his only lore presence is limited a few paragraphs in the Underworld rule book. Is he a named character? yes i suppose, is he a cool named character? I wouldn't say so.

@@stefanzaric2111 Never said he was great. What makes me confused and upset is Malagor’s model is shown like 2-3 times in the Beast of Chaos army book yet you can not acquire that model at all and he is labeled as a generic Bray Shaman. Which is really upsetting since his model is like cooler than the basic bray shaman. Not saying it’s not a good model but man it would be nice to have that model I can see in the book.

i bought the vanguard box like a month ago as im getting into aos from 40k. im actually gutted and its killed my hype for aos4 and the setting in general :(

I got them after hearing about it 🤙🏻 I won’t play competitive and my friends don’t give a fuck what I bring, scary goat dudes forever

@@baelGIGAN My heart goes out to you friend, this whole situation has me rethinking the hobby. The fact that GW can write out a faction that people have spent thousands on is just wild. I hope you can still have some fun with the models, and for what its worth, The Old World has some cool stuff going on should you wish to get into that

​To be fair there not being deleted, they're being shifted over to old world. Still not great but at least they didn't entire shelf the entire army. Plus Beastmen are being supported till summer of next year. If we make enough noise maybe they'll change there minds​@@definitelyhooman7939

​@@flannellemur4818and that's fantastic as long as they have rules. They'll get some rules for 4th but that's 3 years before 5th edition is out and now you ether make up rules, get everyone to stay on 4th edition or find a new army.

Pain.

What happened?

@@magdal6006 beastbois got send back in time to the old world by GW

@@aphato2770 what? Like deleted from AoS but returned to Fantasy or simply deleted and brought back?

@@magdal6006 Squatted from AoS. Still perfectly usable in the Old World. But after getting no love (apart from 1 mini) in AoS whatsoever, GW removed them from AoS. Gone. Reduced to Atoms. Which is sad, they are really cool.

What happened lmao

I think he means bc the beastmen got removed from AoS.

@@Mr_Mist_teller_of_tales GW Removed Beast of chaos from Age of Sigmar 4th... to put them in the old world

@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 ohhhh boi

True pain

Oh god, imagine having a Skaven constantly backseating you in fear. That's the most annoying thing ever.

So did he die or what?

I can only imagine how much bickering and insulting would happen in its head

He better hope he doesn't eat a dwarf soul because the mental shouting of a dwarf trying to get a skaven skilled would drive anyone insane

@@hoked2194 that skaven is probably why he is still a alive

Hey, dont compare these guys to viking bois. And not all the time they get stomped by proper armies. Great heathen army? So who knows maybe there can be a great beastmen army.

​​@@NordicJarl27 Viking raids were almost never done at a mass scale army. Vikings are basically land pirates if that makes sense.

IIRC, the Beastmen were actually inspired by the stereotypical view of the "barbarian tribes" that helped cause the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. EDIT: Word choice.

That's not quite what Vikings were though.vikings basically Colonised Britain and France and Established the Russian empire

@@OK-yy6qz Viking is an occupation. Norsemen on other hand did everything you mentioned

* Prolonged fart *

Norscans do the sexing everything bit 😆. Its great that BM came from chaos within and without game.

You learn something new every day. Now please, tell me something else I don't know... Something less disturbing.

@@isaiahsmith6016 uh... Ogres find night goblins particularly tasty?

@@isaiahsmith6016 Warhammer 40k Slaansh was created because Space Elves fucked so hard that Slaanesh happened

It’s kinda sad that despite being more horrific in RuneQuest they were at least capable of choosing their own fates, even being capable of good, yet their more successful and famous version in Warhammer is damned into evil with no way to escape it.

Wisdom was the Skaven's dump-stat

@@chillyavian7718 it’s why they won so much in the End Times, they basically just kept on getting critical successes on their roles or something

Skaven leveled Charisma and Dexterity to the max but neglected literally other stat as is evidenced by them needing to engineer monsters to soak up damage but also having all of their guns and the like exploding on a whim because it's so haphazardly built.

The skaven have an actual civilization with discernable characteristics, structure and some social practices. The beastmen are dedicated to being uncivilized.

Also because the race of man are more amusing in their eyes. Probably because of the literal chaos they can spawn into their societies with cultists or heretic traitors.

Kinda...but then that brings into question why griffons, creatures born of Chaos and the warp are somehow ok, heck they are highly regarded as noble beasts within the Empire, ironically depicted as symbols of order and authority. So why do griffons or even their demi-griffon cousins get a free pass, being totally not evil if not seen as inherently 'good' creatures yet beastmen are completely damned?

@@navilluscire2567 there isn't an in-game explanation, so this gonna be purely my own thoughts, but I am using lore based on old WFB lore for this theroy. The winds of magic, and by extension the mortal realms, are made of purified chaos. This is confirmed. The old ones had devices that could turn chaos from hell juice to useful juice that wasn't quite as volatile. But the winds of magic are still quite capable of mutating people, flora, and of course fauna. Which why things like gryff beasts can exist but not be evil. It also could be the same case as the dragons, who are older then the winds of magic, and they have just always existed. So there's possible two explanations.

They have no higher hopes or like to plan, so they do not please Tzeentch. They do not commit to honor or take trophies, so Khorne cares not for them. They despoil beauty and do not seek perfection, so Slaanesh finds them unattractive. They do not spread pestilence or cling to life, so Nurgle is unimpressed. Their lifestyle is so primal, so predictable and unimaginative that the gods simply find nothing of interest.

@@navilluscire2567 wait is this a thing, are griffons chaos beasts? What about hippogryphs? Thanks in advance

Bad news… beasts of chaos is being removed

@@Notnotnotnotnotnotnotnot I think he know it and it was just a joke.

Such is the power of Nagash

How about Scorpion/Snake-themed for Slaanesh? Them daemonettes got pincers and usually have serpentine like movement to them.

Slanngors are also a thing

What octopus. Feline/snake themes for Slaanesh.

Octopus and squid for Slaanesh for the obvious reason.

Like the mutants in Gotrek and Felix are all sorts of animals . But only goats and cows in game and model

The Ulk'gnar are Tzeentch worshipping beastmen that once tried to embrace their human side and become civil. They actually managed to live peacefully for some time. Then one day humans and elves decided that all beastmen=bad and wiped out all but 1 member of the herd basically demonstrating that they will never be accepted by non chaos factions regardless of their intent.

Fucking mood my guy

Wait I'm not the only one??

Thank you for your service

please report to your nearest Black Ship, plz and thanks.

I think there is some mention of dog like beastmen, fish beastmen, and even insect beastmen. But like many cool things in warhammer, it's only in some passing footnote of lore from decades ago.

@@gorknmork9194 which is a shame, imagine what kind of potential units we could’ve had like flying bird men or mole men attacking from the ground.

@@Predator20357 Mole men: Ah! Our HATED rivals! Skaven: **angry squeaks**

@@navilluscire2567 No it’s the opposite “Now the Mole Men shall be the End Time Evils! Everyone will be gay for Mole Men!”

@@Predator20357 I mean...have you seen moles? They are cute little dirt diggers, even with their MASSIVE claws! (I'd argue that makes them both metal and cute!)

I remember that one of my favorite ideas for homebrew factions was to create “South Beast” wich were like beastmen, but based on African animals, like Elephants, Rhinos, buffalos or cheetahs and would live in the Plains of Tuskers. In my opinion, they are far more interesting than the actual tuskers.

Beastmen in general DESPERATELY needs alot more variety other than overgrown mutant bipedal bovines and horny goat dudes, infact they use to in older editions of Warhammer Fantasy, there was even freakin *camel beastmen* at one point!

That's exaclty the point that made them awesome. I had even thought of doing an African beastman fan art, I would have to do it one day

I’m using the bigger models from the accursed cultists set for my chaos spawns. Just throw them on a 50mm base and we’re good. All there big monsters have such fantastic proxies too

Agreed😁

Type 1 unite

I mean, orks in warhammer work the same way.

Well besides the fact that the last time I heard of 40k Orcs they weren’t flinging their shit around and can’t even make a Gun without stealing it. However you are right in how there’s probably a few ways you can have a “Might makes Right” leadership without exactly copying it.

My own theory is that the beastmen of Fantasy NoT-Europe i.e. the Old World were once WAAAAAY more neutral and where an integral part of the early human tribes that existed throughout that continent, probably even seen as gods or spirits themselves since the humans of these tribes were A LOT more connected with nature and had strong traditions of druids. (basically they were the most like the wood-elves, long before they even existed!) But then came the more warlike, aggressive tribes of men from over the World's Edge mountains from the lands now known as the Badlands today. (presumably being pushed out from their old home by severe natural disasters) These warlike tribes in turn steadily pushed out or even forcefully assimilate the original inhabitants, along with the more agreeable beastmen being killed in mass (were more resistant to the invaders), further and further they pushed them to the edges of the ancient woods while simultaneously Chopping the trees down to make way for early agriculture and even their herds of animals. Over time the descendants of the invaders retroactively justified the seizing of the indigenous, druidic tribes' lands which they, the old inhabitants had carefully sought to live in harmony with nature for countless generations only for much of it being torn down to make way for farms and ranches by claiming noble intentions. (besides just wanting to take other people's stuff) As for the beastmen of old they were bit by bit demonized, cast as nothing more than mindless, voracious monsters and so they and their ancestors (the first invaders) were perfectly justified in their slaughter and displacement. In desperation and nearing extinction the survivors of these massacres *pleaded to be heard, by anyone at this point,* to be saved from their grim fates. Then it happened...the Chaos gods answered their prayers...atleast in some twisted ways, ironically in saving them from physical death their souls became forfeited to these Ruinous Powers, 'saved' them they did, but at a most terrible cost. *"And so the modern beastmen that still haunt many of the remaining ancient wood lands of the Old World till this today were 'born'". "Ever bitter about their wretched plight, and harboring a DEEP, dark angry passed through countless generations for men and their towns, farms and cities, that they scarcely even remember the (understandable) reasons why". (even their once rich, long, LONG memory of oral tradition withered and decayed)* Also it nicely parallels the history of demonizing of older pagan deities or practices by Christians such as the popular depiction of the "devil" throughout media being that of a goat-like monster which is based on figures like the popular satyr god, Pan from Roman religion along with other animalistic deities. This also brings up topics like the stealing of other people's homes and lands, including the old beastmen through aggressive colonization along with the retroactive justifications for such seizures in the first place. (gotta make ourselves and our descendants look good, noble, and especially, totally justified right?)

Lizardman in total war needs serious help, like two of the lords needs some serious reworks. i slightly fixed this with a unit mod to give skinks spears.

@@Tucher97 Out of curiosity, which lords do you mean?

@@michaelzaiser8088 They are the two skinks, Lizard moses and Tiqtaqtoe, now they do sound solid but an issue is Tiqtaqtoe is to be fielded with an army entirely of air units but need forces on teh ground but has only like 3 units, plus one more. Lizardmoses has a terrible campaign and it takes a moment to get kroxigors.

@@Tucher97 Will agree, love the lizard moses larp, but hate the gameplay because of the mass routing and upkeep issues. At least before we got the new skink units with the last dlc for TW2, they're pretty okay shock infantry.

@@zilla6280 They are just upgraded skinks with javelins which skinks with javelins are just skink cohorts with a range projectile, they are not your definitive go to range infantry, but even then the issue is that the skinks lack a definitive anti large skink and the geomantic web mechanic feels half baked, like sure it reinforces commandments but you only get commandments if you control an entire region but even then you can make do with the basic commandments. The Lizard Moses needs a rework, the Geomantic web needs more to it, it feels more than underwhelming.

Congrats, you just created an agriworlds worst nightmare

their rework was neccesary and there one of the best faction in campaign right now( expecially taurox)

You liked them better *before* the rework? Now ain't that a hot take

@@marconarvaez9871 Beastmen were the only campaign I could ever be bothered to complete in all of WH2. Was a nice campaign that played very different from others as you relied entirely on hit&run and were very vulnerable throughout most of your campaign; and around turn 90 or so, when you finally did reach a state where your armies finally became unstoppable it was cathartic rolling that deathball over the Dwarves and completing your long campaign goals. back then they were a couple small mods away from greatness; now they're just another steamroll faction. (which is a bit odd when playing Beastmen of all races) Not to say the rework was all bad though; they did a lot of good things; the unit caps/progression system are great, as is the new research tree (though I wish they'd kept the "-5% research speed per unlocked tech thing, especially with how strong the techs get) What isn't particularly good is 1. How easy it is to raze a settlement and then encamp. (literally no trade-off for destroying a settlement and being immune to retaliation) 2. Encamp at 10% movement. (you can damn near move at max speed while still going into encamp stance every turn) 3. No army upkeep. (no risk of going bankrupt means there's zero pressure to attack anyone; you can just chill indefinitely until a target presents itself) 4. Malagor got a little bit *too* overpowered. (to the point where I no longer play his campaign despite it always being my favourite before the rework)

Beastman of culture.

Yeah Luetin videos about chaos make me chuckle now

beavers

@@yoruichixx6951 (shrugs)

Purely Horde Factions suffer from the fact that they are a Horde, once you die, that’s basically it. Even the Mongols and the Huns eventually settled down so it makes some sense.

@@Predator20357 I once played beastman before hte rework and I will say I spent most of it doing nothing as everything requires population which your pop gain is capped, now you can raze settlements for population but the problem was the gain for population was so insignificant compared to just sacking, the difference is simple, get over 200 million gold or 20 units of population increase onto the 500 out of 15 and then it humps to 2000. You see the issue here? Plus as of now Chaos is fascinating, you take a providence capital, you give your minor settlements to your vassals and they fight over that. Pretty cool

@@Predator20357 Also, Mongols were not really a horde faction in the sense it is in Warhammer, generally speaking, Steppe peoples were nomadic... but only in limited way. Their nomad lifestyle was a direct result of the conditions they were living and was something they used in order to maximise pastures. Steppe nomads were not aimlessly wandering anywhere without any settlements. Their migrations were limited to specific territory that they considered to be their pastures and were doing those migrations periodically. Reason for those migrations was pretty simple: to let the grass their herds are grazing to grow back. Also, they had cities and stuff, it is just those cities were much more.. fluid than outside the steppe. But they were cities and settlements on thier own and not glorified military outposts. People of the Steppe were having civilizations, their entire cultures were not centred around military armies. (In Total War system normal factions that hold only one region in a province, but they can move their entire settlements to another region in the same province to avoid overgrazing penalty would be closer to irl Steppe people than current horde system) As of Warhammer... Honestly, change makes sense for Warriors of Chaos. They are still discouraged from taking control over everything directly, but they were holding fortresses in the lore, as far as I know.

@Myster Mothman thank you lamp enthusiast.

any good place to find any?

@@crr4482 claybeastcreation is a good one

I have fixed it, thank you for letting me know.

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@@tomxu1890 *Mooga Booga!