@@helwrecht1637 both have the personality of rocks but i don't see Abbadon riding on a three headed giant dragon with a miniature larger than some babies
@@helwrecht1637it can also be added that currently even from the arks of omen it’s known that Abbadon struggles keeping his forces as chaos undivided without falling back to one god. Not including how restless be’lakor is and now Vashtor Archeon however just casually has better charisma stats to keep his forces ALWAYS in line, even being able to have Norscans on his side (be’lakor is an exception tho cause no matter the universe be’lakor knows he’s out for #1), And I mean… chaos space marines do have beast men too, but slaves to darkness get access to the rats, and that’s all that matters yes yes
There was a worshiper of nurgle well more like slave to nurgle since he was a noble knight, were the storm cast seen he was a good man, so they charge his soul with lighting about let say 500000000000 bolts till nurgle corruption was literally burned away, he is now the head of a storm cast army
I like how the Age of Chaos starts because Chaos, united, win the big fight but, lost momentum and focus, it start infighting immediately, allowing for all the other factions to survive despite their inferior numbers. Fyreslayers, Sylvaneth, Kharadron, Lumineth, Orks and goblins... they all pulled it off because Chaos lost unity, even leaving itself vulnerable for Sigmar glorious counterattack. Indeed, Sigmar and the Azyrite factions risk to give Chaos a new, shiny giant target to unite against and fight as one.
I always find it funny when people talk about the Age of Chaos or Horus Heresy and what not they say chaos lost because they “lost focus” and arguably yes the mortal followers did but I argue why would chaos want to win? Why would the Chaos Gods want what they view as the most hilarious game ever invented to end? Frankly in my opinion it’s all planned. It may screw the gods over in the end but it makes sense to me.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion in my opinion, that is more 40k. The emperor completely misunderstood the Chaos Gods and his actions simply allowed them to have a galaxy wide play field of suffering and raw negative emotions on masse to feed upon, something better than whatever Horus would have obtained had he won. In Aos instead, Sigmar is a damn big threat. He knows what he is doing, his solution to removing corruption is not "nuke it" and the widespread and controllable form of magic and holy power allow the free people of aos to thrive and repel chaos whenever it presents itself. Hell, the elven gods trapped Slaanesh, that's no "joke" in the big game, that was a full on panic attack for everyone, Chaos Gods included!
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Age of Sigmar does give us an explanation on why they would want to win. There are plenty of other universes out there. If this one ends, they can just move on to the other one.They've also ended one universe already with Fantasy so what's one more destroyed.
I really do respect AoS for making all of the factions feel powerful without them feeling arbitrarily not winning. In 40k there are multiple factions that are not winning solely due to infighting. In AoS every faction feels like it should be in this stalement with the other factions because they all are powerful but not too much more than any other faction
Yeah, the expansions of the realms and the war of everyone with everyone in constant wars and infighting really sells this situation of stalemate, even if big events do play out.
but i mean warhammer fantasy was already doing that. high elves felt super powerful but limited by their island isolation and infighting with dark elves. wood elves were powerful and in tune with weird forest beasts but were so dogmatic that they really got the ire of most other factions around them and kept to themselves. the lizardmen fared great against chaos but struggled against more conventional militaries. even chaos itself always was infighting between the chaos gods, especially if chaos was doing well, and was rarely completely unified until the end times. most factions felt as if they had potential but due to other factions threat and internal infighting could never really go as far to dominate the setting. AOS just kind of repeated that. now i think certain parts of AOS are cool but to me it seems a lot of this already existed in fantasy.
@sovietunion7643 in a lot of ways ya, but it always felt that Chaos was never capable of truly winning in Fantasy. The Order tide in Fantasy was so stable and powerful that Chaos just couldn't break them. Between the Order factions, they were pretty even but Chaos was so weak. I think this vibe was why the End Times felt so forced, Chaos could only hold a few fortresses in the far north and south then suddenly they rule the world. In AoS, Chaos feels like it is a genuine threat to the Order factions without Chaos feeling like it should steam roll everyone. It's a weird balance the other Warhammer settings didn't quite hit
@@Never_heart maybe, but personally i never liked chaos being too strong. they worked well through proxies, with chaos cults and the norsemen always a threat to the north. it allowed other bad guys to have their day in the limelight, such as nagash, or even others such as the tomb kings. chaos being weaker in my opinion was a good thing that allowed a feeling of other factions being a threat and allowing a more natural progression of different races. both in 40k and AOS chaos is the biggest threat, and so few other evil (or even chaotic neutral) factions get time to shine much.
The only way to break the stalemate, is someone make a big move, even then in order to do that they have to focus all there energy on that move which would weaken them from outher moves, the only one who could make there move is maliketh since he is building his army and has a domain were chaos isn't cross but even then he has his mother politics and some invaders at his doorstep that the only thing to motivate him is when his domain suffer a massive invasion his mother can't handle it, only if his domain is truly in danger, then he would go "huh... oh....aaaaaagggggghhhhhh fine I do it myself, why am I the only one who hold the point." like I said the only way to break the stalemate is to make a big move which is a big gamble.
Part of Archaon's biggest appeal for me, aside from his sick design, is that he's just as much of a threat to Chaos as the Order factions are. Just knowing that the Chaos Gods, who are invincible in 40k, are actually _scared_ of Archaon is pretty cathartic and they can't stop him because he never sold his soul for Daemon Princehood to them, showing that not only is it possible to become OP by staying as a Chaos Warrior (who all look really cool) but becoming a Daemon Prince is kind of a scam in the long run
@@ghoulred8352 Yeah i pretty much only convert mortals to daemo prince for flavor or if they provide some meaningful buffs with the right army under them.
One of my favorite part of S2D lore are the Greenskin Wars. Where Archaon, seeing orcs as the massive threat they are, told one of his most important generals to take an incomprehensibly large army to Ghur and kill every single orc. It went about as well as you'd expect, ending with literal mountains of corpses and the general's skull being used as decoration in Varanspire.
Wasn’t this also the event that caused some Orruks to “evolve” into Ironjawz? Turns out when you almost obliterate a highly adaptable species in a fight they’ll come back even stronger because of it
@@spagwag3079 Kind off. It was quasi-retconned in the Orruk Warclans book that Ironjawz existed even as far back as the age of myth, however only in isolated areas as only under significant conflict d0 Orruks get big enough to become Ironjawz. So it wasn't until the Age of Chaos did they grow to big enough numbers to become a realm-spanning faction.
Related to retconning: A little sad you didn't mention that in Storm of Chaos, Chaos didn't make it past Kislev ... the first city. They were stopped dead and the world *should* have started healing.
@@DatBrasss Ah unfortunate, cause that'd have been funny as shit. Grimgor knocking the Everchosen down and then kicking him in the nuts until the Everchosen died.
Funily enough, Slaves to Darkness worshiping the Great Horned Rat are a thing. If I remember correctly, the 2nd Edition StD Battletome speaks of Nurgle worshipers who end up thinking Nurgle is a giant rat and in turn, develop Rat-like mutations. Which I assume is a way for GW to say : "You can make Ratmen Chaos Warriors, just mark them as Nurgle and put Skaven bits on them".
The average Warrior of Chaos, meanwhile, "I am an evil bastard," and then burns down a hospital because he finds it funny. It hits me that Erebus is just an average Warrior of Chaos that somehow made it into 40k.
Nurgle is the perfect Cosmic Drug dealer : "Oh are you afflicted with something that is rotting you death? Come worship me and Uncle Nurgy has all to help you take the pain away and live *BUT I wont mention that it was me who hit you with that gut rot in the first place and only did it to push you into the deal *. Remember first hit is free and I care...in the worst way possible!"
In western Europe during the dark ages (500-1000) people did not have last names. They might have patronymics (the son of Sven is Svenson) instead and kings often had suffixes (Charles the Fat) but many people just a given name. Around 900 this began to change, starting with the nobility and eventually moving down the social classes over the latter half of the middle ages. Some lower class names were formalized Patronymics (John has a son called Mark, Mark Johnson has a son named Robert who keeps Johnson and runs with his dad's patronymic, as do his Robert Johnson's descendants). Others are tied with their location they lived in (Alice of Cornwall becomes Alice Cornwall). And others are tied to profession. These were usually tied to families anyway so it's an easy jump to make. The most obvious of these are Carpenter, Smith, Weaver, Miller, etc. But there are others which have since fallen into obscurity. A Farrier for example is someone who makes horseshoes and tends to a horse's feet, a Cooper makes barrels and a Fuller is someone who stamps on cloth with their feet on cloth that is immersed in a tub of urine for a living.
The Muslim World took even longer for that i think, for the turkish people it wasnt custom until the founding of the turkish Republic in the fucking 1920s
I wanted Ulfric to return with a Viking-themed faction for Age of Sigmar. Could have some white wolves to decorate the army. The story could be that he refused to back down along with Sigmar that he is very stubborn and wanted to keep fighting the chaos and now he doesn't like Sigmar because he thinks he's a coward and his followers don't like Sigmar either because they were the people that Sigmar left behind
I converted a slave to darkness army with that theme. They are not chaos aligned, but they followed the "White Wolf", a god of winter, straightforward approach, family and war, with a nick for the survival of the fittest that isn't though pushed to it's most radical limit. They have a snuggle kingdom of semi-nomadic tribes all confederated together and a huge hate-bone with chaos and a half grudge with the sigmarites (mainly on their overbearing authoritative nature). I used many Space Wolves bits and weapons to make weapons of ice, burly women and men with long beards and mustaches, all tattooed where they are exposed and a giant direwolf as a Demon Prince.
It's funny you mentioned that, since I myself have been dreaming up an alternate ending to the Old World where MOST of the gods survived. And that because of their combined might, they nearly defeated chaos. But then that ugly necromancer (I forgot his name) did his thing, and the old world still blew up. With one group staying close to the remains of the old earth, thus allowing Sigmar to find them. And the others he couldn't find being presumed dead. But in truth, they escaped too, and have also presumed the other group has perished. So now Sigmar has got his own pantheon going on, while Ulric has got his own pantheon as well. His pantheon composed of some old gods like Myrmidion, Morr, Ursun, etc. And even some newly ascended beings such as miao ying, teclis ( in this alternate reality teclis and tyrrion got seperated), thorgrim, settra etc. Where would they be located? Why in the neighboring planetary system of course! How did they get there? Using one of the lizardmen's flying pyrramids, and opening a warp rift, they escaped ( now being the first people to use the warp to travel through space) into this new and uncharted system. How did they find it in the first place? They found some remaining artifacts about the Old Ones and the other worlds they visited, and thus found their golden ticket off the exploding Earth. Now I know this isn't sci fi, but this is the best thing I could come up with as of now. Feel free to correct me on anything.
Ulric is unfortunately canonically dead thanks to a double whammy involving Teclis and later Archaon. However, if you pay close attention to some stories about Sigmar and the Stormcasts, you’ll realize that Sigmar is just straight up Ulric’s successor. White fire? Check. God of Winter? Check. Anti-Chaos? Super check. All that’s left is to get some proper wolf and ice stuff going on in the forces of Sigmar and bam, the succession is complete.
@@leonelimalevu7302this could work, it need some written and polish but it can work, it is describe in lore that the slave to darkness have conquer outher worlds, maybe the mortal realm is the first world were the old ones came from which is why chaos has taken an interest in it, still it could be a good reason instead of ghost vikings and fey knights
Good guys in warhammer: Noooo! I'm not actually evil, i do it because.... (Coping and mental gymnastics) The bad guys in warhammer: I'm evil because I think it's cool.
Sometimes the simplest things are the best. Just love the idea of “Why are you evil, because I can be”. I genuinely miss those types of villains/bad guys. So many evil forces nowadays have some kind of complex reason as to why they’re evil. I just want a evil force that just there to be evil. “Why did you set fire to the orphanage Jerry”!? “These s’more aren’t going to cook themselves Karen”.
There’s definitely merit to having complex villains who aren’t pure evil and have some reasonable justification for being evil, but sometimes you just want a villain who destroys cities cus they think it’s awesome
While Norsca may be gone, they live on in spirit. That spirit is kept alive by needless and near endless infighting of the Slaves to Darkness faction.. The ancestors are smiling down from... wherever they are..
I think they're a little more Powerwolf than Gloryhammer, but I guess it comes down to what tracks you pick. Also, I really miss evil villains who were just evil for evil's sake. I get that nuanced, believable, and morally gray characters were an evolution of writing that has become popular, but I think that pendulum is at risk of swinging too far.
The Slaves To Darkness abbreviate into STD, which is extremely unfortunate even though the name itself dates back to 3rd edition Fantasy/1st edition 40k back in the late 80s. Also, Archaon can see into the future with that third eye he has on his helmet called the Ed of Sheeran or something. Having a thing on your forehead hat lets you see the future and avoid injury legally qualifies him as a JoJo reference.
Aah, that feeling when, as a child(and only as a child of course), you were too lazy to exchange the lancettes regularily and they friggin hurt like heck. Also, is it just me or were the needles sturdier some ten years ago?
Dont forget to mention almost all the cool rebellions that happen in 40k never do because of the whole "worst regime to ever exist" thing but its always chaos its always fucking chaos. Theres 3 ordos in the inquisition with them being against Chaos (Malleus), Xenos (Xenos) and Heresy (Hereticus). When was the last time you read about Ordo Hereticus dealing with box standard religious divergees and rebellions. When was the last time their military wing, The Sisters Of Battle, fought a box standard human heretics of non chaos variety? Fucking never.
We actually do hear about them quite a lot actually you probably don't remember them because they're mentioned in either the origin story of certain vehicles (the land raider redemeer) or in small snippets to make a sub-faction look good (pretty much all of the officio assassinorum assassins). basically they exist they're just footholds soo small it's useless bringing them up unless they're involved with a vehicle or imperial organization and if they are it always involve with the former getting stomped
I mean, not for nothing, but Heresy is kind of a nothing issue unless Chaos is involved. Most uprisings are handled by the local PDF or the Guard depending on how severe the threat is (The first Cain book is about an uprising about to start because of friendly relationships with the Tau, yeah it turns out there was a bigger conspiracy at hand, but on the surface it was an ordinary potential rebellion.) I imagine the same is true with Heretical cults. Most of the time, the local ecclesiarchy finds out about the issue and the planetary governor sends in the PDF, or the cult still praises the Emperor so they let it slide so long as it isn't disruptive. If Chaos pops up though, yeah, the Ordos are going to be looking into even a hint of that, because it can escalate out of control very quickly where someone believing in the idea of the Star Child vs standard Dogma isn't really going to warrant wasting an inquisitors time. They deal with the big problems, not the small fry.
Pancreasnowork once again shows himself to be a man of refined tastes. I would only contend that "Universe on fire would be a better contender for the Slaves to Darkness' theme song"
Your mention of the traitor primarchs turning because of the webway project mystery reminded me of an argument I had once. This guy was furious, unreasonably so, that anyone defend the emperor for not telling the primarchs why he went back to Terra. I was like, "dude, he gave horus the greatest honor anyone in the imperium had ever received by making him the warmaster. He trusted him to appreciate the honor for what it was, a recognition of horus' abilities and achievements! It is not the emperors fault that he had 9 kids who were such bitter CHILDREN that they couldn't handle daddy going back to the house and trusting them to run the business for a few years while he restored his sweet new ride.". For some reason, that point made him even more angry. I thought it was pretty clever
The worst part is that Horus pretty well did understand that and even states that he pretty well knows that the Emperor is working on something related to mastering the Warp. The reason he turns to Chaos is because he gets stabbed by the anti-Horus knife, then gets visions of 40K in the warp where the Loyalists are revered and he is nowhere to be seen. Even when he acknowledges that this vision is a load of BS to Magnus he still gives in to chaos for reasons. His turn is so weird because in the book, he clearly knows that he is being told bullshit, and seems pretty chill and logical about the whole thing, but when he wakes up he becomes a raging asshole for no reason and is willing to betray the imperium for no reason so far as I can tell. He gives reasons, but since he flat out rejected those reasons earlier the whole thing comes across as profoundly stupid.
To me the appeal of the WoC/StD is the fantasy of powergaming, in any other army your special character is likely to die a miserable death, even the space marines who are already super special from the get go can really only hope to become chapter masters of their own group. With these guys however your special character don't steal can go from a simple marauder with nothing to becoming the demi god that is a daemon prince. Maybe it's because of WoC rework in Total War but I now find them interesting as a faction.
There's a reason that (as far as I can tell) the Path to Glory rules for making your own narrative initially started with Chaos forces. It just works to have your small raider warband eventually become a massive host through victories and quests in the name of the dark gods.
Ah yes, Chaos. The answer to the age-old question "how can i transport the most skulls on my body". a creature of taste naturally just raises them from the dead so that they transport themselves, but what can you expect from people that see chaos spawns as a promotion
I just want the celestant prime to walk up to archaon and ask "hey man remember when an ork ended your entire crusade by headbutting you before he kicked you in the nuts?"
What kills me about chaos is how inflexible they've become in their evil. I know that sounds like an odd complaint but I'm still one of those people who like to remind others how there's positives to each chaos gods and cry and cry and cry
I like to think that the positives are just the vestiges of whatever nobility the follower originally had, only being tacked onto the god due to coping and seething
I mean it is canon that many cultures worship the chaos gods unknowingly, ya just need to get a little creative with them Slaves to Darkness Army concept: A Order of Knights that worship the four Great Ones: Khrox, lord of Honour Courage and Battle, Slarh, Goddess of emotions, Norg master of life & death and Tzeer God of Cunning and Hope They protect the citizens and their empire, prioritizing kindness and loyalty. Admirable traits in any faction even though they indirectly feed Evil Gods, empower them and grant them a foothold in their realm. Gives an air of tragedy to otherwise 100% heroic faction that is pretty unique imo AoS is extremely flexible with homebrewing "your dudes" honestly
Zargothrax wins as a supervillain because he has no fear, no scruples, and no restraint. Magnus wishes he had the balls to destroy the entire galaxy just to get back at his nemesis
The mini-rant in the middle about the tribulations of the genetic lottery and how the new kids don't love the PAIN like they used to was amazing. It's things like these that make the pain of life not only bearable but hillarious. 😁
I have a cyst near my talamus and my neck veins are shit from the very birth of mine You know what? Two of those migrains would make you want go giving birth yourself, so I kinda understand Maestro
So Pancreas, any chance for a Cities of Sigmar Do or Don't? I know they are very recent in terms of faction and that they were, more than anything, just created to glue and smash together all the leftovers from warhammer fantasy, but i believe they are truly coming in as their own in terms of lore. Also, a new battletome is arriving in a matter of months and it promises massive changes.
I can tell one of the Tabletop downsides would be the more outdated models that got ported from Old World, even the pictures on the website showing the old square bases (dunno if they ship like that though). Hell, one of the models is literally just Karl Franz, but with a round base instead of a square one.
@@samiamtheman7379 also the fact that the army translated horribly from second to third edition. It was an army based on hordes of troops with varying quality and that relied on multiple +1 stacks on all their stats to be functional. Third edition literally capped both of those things, 3/5 of the tome units are literally unusable.
In WFB I really liked the background for Kurgan and Hung being basicly chaos Huns/Tartars/Mongolians. Too bad they never saw unique models despite being the most numerous cultures following chaos. Seeing hordes of hellish horsemem going Attila on the Empire would have been awesome.
About that bit with 40k chaos inviting themselves over that picture of chaos rising perfectly fits this. Literal story is about chaos inviting themselves over after the bugs got squashed and the magpies weakened.
I just thought about it and literally the only chaos primarchs who did not turn traitor because of daddy issues was Alpharius and Fulgrim. And Fulgrim still has daddy issues
The intro was nostalgic my man do you remember these days when all we personally had from Primarchs was like two phrases written as remembrances buried in a codex ? IS the BG music age of mythology ? As far as the comparison between chaos worshipers' motivations between 40k and fantasy it's quite reductive, i mean Archaon became Archaon because of... daddy issues... you know... meanwhile Khârn "AM I NOT CHAOTIC ENOUGH FOR YOU".
Warriors of Chaos/Slaves to Darkness do a good job of making Chaos feel like a cosmic evil. They were actively invading the Old World after having defeated countless others and went right back to doing it until the Age of Sigmar threw another speedbump in their way. Chaos space marines still motivated by their loss 10,000 years ago feels slow and takes away from the terrible power of the Dark Gods. Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children are still fun because so many of them have fully discarded their attachment to humanity and their past to bring ruin to the galaxy.
Pancreas, AoS has its own version of Norsca, a frozen wasteland filled with barbarian tribes fighting each other to prove themselves, but Sigmar owns it. Hamilcar Bear-Eater comes from there.
When’s the Tyrion video? You actually like the elves so I’d like to hear your opinion on his lore and stuff. He seems like a badass to me but everyone says he’s a shitter and idk why.
I grew up in the frozen tundra of northern Canada and lost all the feeling to the tips of my fingers due to frostbite. Therefore I’m also immune to plastic spiky bits, but I’m not exactly going to become a hand model anytime soon.
Additional tabletop downside, the chaos knights kit is push fit and also covered in spikes. This means it's painful to assemble and also broken up into bizarrely shaped, easily breakable pieces. Just go look at the sprue it's a mess
Hearing Pancreas talk about finger sticks reminded me of an Irish guy who said his favorite day of the week was when his mom took his needles to the hospital for sharpening.
Evil for the sake of evil is always so much more fun. Plus it allows the heroes to go full chaotic good and kill, maim and electrocute the baddies with no moral ambiguity.
The new chaos knights putting those together makes me want to sell my soul to whatever dark powers will assemble them for me. Slaves to darkness you are a snuggle with a struggle
DUDE! Gloryhammer f**King rules! Going to be my boss music for my d&d campaign. Also, you are a funny guy. You package the lore in an interesting and engaging fashion. Look forward to your content in the future
If I ever get into AOS these guys are definitely for me, I like Vikings and Chaos is my favorite thing about Warhammer so these guys are right up my alley
In WH40K: 1:NOOOOO THE EMPEROR HAVE BETRAYED US 2:SCREW IT, LET GIVE OUR SOUL TO THE DARK GODS In WHF/AOS: 1:Hey, I think the Dark Gods find it goofy when we burn down the children hospital 2:Yes
One more thing for your hurt rant. As an astartes abbadon probably has a cgm reader and pump built in. Also paint drukhari. They’re fiddly elves and spikey enough to show when your fingers heal from the lancet strikes
WE! ARE THE MASTERS OF THE GALAXY! We’re the lords of space Dundee! The destroyers of reality, on a quest for all eternity!!!! What a shoutout, LOVE IT HERE
I have a wonderful Slaves to Darkness army. They are themed as Knights in shining armor. (I removed most the spiky bits and sanded the helmets into nice, smooth versions. Painted with shining metals and royal blue colors. These are the older models.) With a horrifying secret of course! They are still Slaves to Darkness after all. For this reason, I actually much prefer the older versions of Chaos Warriors. Much easier to build into a uniform Legion of sorts.
I'd like to see what your models look like. Also I've had an idea for a faction for my own setting concept, basically it's an Empire that had been corrupted by demonic lovecraftian horrors for a very long time, because of this this "Dark Empire" has become fully corrupted by evil and now seeks to bring doom and ruin to the entire world in the name of their dark Lord(s). They're basically what you get if the Alliance from World of Warcraft had been corrupted by the Chaos Gods from Warhammer and they are on a dark Crusade to rid the whole of heretics, unbelievers, &and everyone else who opposes them and their dark masters
Love your videos Pancreas! Keep up the good work, you've a great voice for narration. Thanks to this video specifically, it got me to convert to a Slaves to Darkness army for AoS. No regrets!
not as of the moment maybe in the future. Albeit Cathay did manage to escape via boats due to the ongoing overrun of orcs in the main land and japan or nippon in fantasy... AND THEN THE WORLD EXPLODED so um... wait and hope the dragon emperor pulled magic out of the void to save everyone?
Honestly, this was a VERY good explanation as to what it's like to use this faction. I am new to warhammer AOS and I am certainly looking at collecting the slaves to darkness. This video has definitely helped make my decision :)
To those truly touched by Nurgle, his love is genuine. It might be horrifying to a non-chaos aligned mortal but he does mostly make his followers happy and uses his power to shield them from the horrors and suffering of the mortal world.
Ah yes, he takes away the pain that he himself caused them, and that will brutalize them the moment their connection with him is ever severed. What a swell guy that Nurgle is!
@@ianbyrne465 His mind isn't supposed to work like ours. He sees a myriad of gifts, blessing mortals with new life that sprouts from their flesh like it were his own garden and eventually returning them to the earth to begin the cycle again. He is genuinely confused when mortals don't rejoice at the bounty of blessings Nurgle brings for them. When you accept Nurgle, your mortal mind breaks and you start to perceive things as Nurgle, his demons and his followers do. Perhaps that perception is distorted or perhaps you are seeing things as they truly are.
The problem with claiming that Nurgle loves you is that he loves the bacteria festering in the pustule where your liver should be as much as he loves you. That is, each bacteria as much as you. Yup, you mean as much to him as a germ. Don't believe me? Too bad. That's the Warhammer Fantasy lore on Nurgle. Heck, his Great Unclean ones regularly eat Nurglings, which Nurgle supposedly loves. So him loving you doesn't amount to much.
All of my chosen made me bleed building them so naturally they all worship khorne in my army. I play space marines in 40K so it’s nice having a faction where I can like you said just go “IM EVIL AND ITS FUN (proceeds to violence you)”
Fritz Murderson the Slave-Breaker: Hey Hans? Hans Horseraper, Scourge of the Broken: Yes Fritz? Fritz Murderson the Slave-Breaker: Are we the baddies? Hans Horseraper, Scourge of the Broken: Nah.
