Do People Have Freewill if God is All-Knowing? 

Yeah. I dont feel we have a choice at all, cauze there are prices to be paid. Sometimes I feel like he's a true tyrant just like a leader of north korea where they can do nothing except worship him. But guess christian or jew God has no real enemy or adversary for real. I say he is the adversary himself why? cauz he has no competition at all, no threat to his kingdom.since he is the alpha(1st) and omega(last), who could dare to challenge him. Mero tah boli nai banda garekoxa ani kasari afno kura rakhnu..paagal banaidiya xa.! ..Before christ a father God chose jews why? cauz afterall all us were his children(creation) then why choose just a particular people??.For we were not created by another force or deity like satan(lucifer). Forget him cause he didnt have a real power but just rebel like us.. So, God has no enemy but us rebels whom he knows everything about us.. but in our case we either destroy them or you know....

K saaro dimag kharab hoina vagwanko chai khas dusman xaki xaina?? Xaina hola hoin khali birudha(rebel) matrai hola. Ani k garna parney niyam anusar marna(kill) pani napaunu ra marna(get killed) ni napayesi k chai garna parney??? Huh...!!?? Now sometimes I feel like christianity itself is a lukewarm but then expect us to be too hot or too cold. I say jews re too hot and muslims are too cold....

Notice how many people did not like your honest answer? People do love themselves.

It makes literally 0 sense. So HE created you and knows exactly how HIS creation is going to decide in the future and whether he/she will go to heaven or hell. Thats the definition of not having free will because your future is determined by god.

@@an_nie_dyc1386 no one has ever done that in history but you.

Glory

Well said, agree. We definitely have free will I unfortunately disagree with this video and do not believe it's fully biblical at the start.

God did not give us free will, Satan did that. God gave us the choice to have His will.

​@@freshliving4199 I'mma need some elaboration on that one chief.

@@freshliving4199 Satan Can't Do Nothing Without GOD The Fathers Grace

Psalms 115:3 [3]But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. Nguni't ang aming Dios ay nasa mga langit: kaniyang ginagawa ang kaniyang ibigin.

@@psalmtwentyfiveeight Tell it to the content creator, not me. LOL. Thanks for freely choosing to reply. 🤣🤣🤣

First rapture then tribulation!!

if you know with 100% certainty that if you have intercourse with your partner you will produce a child that will be all his life in the most horrible pain and suffering would you decide to have intimacy and bring this child to the world?1

@@a.39886 What in the world does that have to do with anything? Stay on point, or take this to other threads. It's ridiculous question, cloaked in pseudo-sanctimony.

Exactly correct

​@@thenelsonbruhs722 Well its a deeper philosophical question that leads me to land on "yes and". If we take the following threepremises 1. God knows all choices we will make in a given scenario 2. God acts in the world 3. Gods actions change the scenarios we make decision in then the question of "free will" becomes philosophically complicated. If God knows that, by working in my life through salvation, i will eventually come to marry a particular christian lady instead of a non-believer. The Christian likes cherry ice cream, the non-believer likes strawberry. Either way i go to an ice cream paler a few years into the marriage. I buy ice cream for my wife according to her preferences. God knew what my choice would be in these scenarios, so by influencing the world and changing the scenario i find myself in, in a sense he directs my choice. However, From a "time locked" perspective. I'm still freely making that choice imo. I find the problem comes from trying to apply a time locked order to God outside of time So i would argue that we made the decisions, according to our free will and also according to Gods divine will put into practice. And that neither is contradictory to the other

This is still fatalistic gnosticism.

@@thenelsonbruhs722 god knows everything. So he knew if you were going to heaven or hell when he made u

God knows everything. So he knew if u were going to heaven or hell before he even made u

wrong for the first statement already.

Oh ok, because this will promote an open dialogue and conversation. Great comment!

This is some humanism right here. We need it as a justification for Gods choices but in reality we dont. God can do whatever He wants.

Did this video change the difinition of the word freewill. Are they saying that God predestined who will choose

​@@dudenotsoperfect9366 is this video saying that God predestined who will choose him

@@mssouth1964 I think God predestined the lamb slain before the foundation of the world i.e. God chose Christ. And all who are in Christ are chosen and predestined by God. God isn't a respecter of persons, choosing one and denying another. God draws all humans to himself and the Holy Spirit convicts every person. That's my thought on the matter.

@@kurtwinslow2670 my thoughts are that He saves who He wants to. And thats not all men. And God can do whatever He wants. Jude 1 vers 4.

I love how you ignored thought 3🤣🤣. The idea of predestination would contradict thought 2 ecause it would mean those people were predestined to not gather with jesus

@@edidiongmoses2889 lol I forgot why I skipped the 3rd one. 😆

@@edidiongmoses2889 aif you know with 100% certainty that if you have intercourse with your partner you will produce a child that will be all his life in the most horrible pain and suffering would you decide to have intimacy and bring this child to the world?

@@a.39886yes, because life is pain, life is suffering. But amidst pain and suffering you can still have joy and happiness. I wouldn’t rob someone of the opportunities I had because I deem their life as unfit for living. If God wants to take their suffering away, he will. Praise our perfect and sovereign Lord Jesus Christ! ✝️

@@vhadianv if 99.99999% of your would be unbearable pain, torture and suffering would you like to be born?

That's what I told someone, if God already predestined us for heaven or hell, then there was no need for Jesus to come and even the Bible. We will all just go along doing our things and not engaging with God in any way, since it's already done.

@@maenowwesleymotuba7516see to me that explains why predestination isn’t fully true in the sense that some believe it. but I can’t understand how predestination isn’t true because of God’s all-knowing nature. He chose to give us all life, he knew everyone’s outcome in the end. He knew the people that would be saved and the means by which they would be saved (Jesus), but we don’t necessarily have the choice to make our decisions because there’s no other outcome possible. idk how to explain it but i’m just so confused about everything. if it says in the bible so many times that God does not change his mind he can’t be persuaded, then how is us committing our lives to Jesus *our choice*? it’s not him changing his mind because he already knew like idk

@@annelisemarier2588 if someone can clarify this, that would be amazing!!!!

just because God knows the outcomes of our choices and decisions doesn't mean it's affecting us. WE ourselves have no clue what decisions we will make in any given situation so it's rly up to us yk? like right now, if i converted to atheism and rejected christ, i know what the outcome will be and where i will end up so i can't say to God on judgement day that i'm not to blame since my fate was already predetermined if i myself KNOW the result and consequences of my choices. either way if i had to describe this summary i would say we have more of an illusion of free will than anything. however, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. it works for us yk? after all, we are just mere human beings and God is more superior to us. I think once we all start to realize that then this will all make a lot more sense. :)

@annelisemarier2588 God being all-knowing would mean He knows the outcome of all our choices, not that He made all our choices for us. It's like us watching a video we recorded and being able to skip ahead from start to finish. We are the ones who started the video to record and we can see what already happens in the end by skipping to the end, but what happened in the video we didn't specifically make happen. You're right that the outcome that has and will happen is the only outcome possible; because of the choices we have made.

i love your comment. thank you :)

@@youbetyourwrasse You don't understand Calvinism do you. Within Calvinistic theology (and Lutheranism), the bondage of the will is said to only extend to matters of salvation, or in other words, a man can choose everything else freely, but cannot choose to save himself. Now, I find one of the best proofs of this doctrine of the bondage of the will with respects to salvation to be some of the texts from John chapter 6. Take John 6:37 for example; “All that the Father giveth me *shall come* to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” The thing that always strikes me with the text is the force of shall come. All kinds of objections can be raised against whether God calls sinners to himself, but the strength of shall come remains. What has God said that he will do that he has not done, and just here Christ told us that the father will make them come to him. The sinner may say, 'I will not come!' but God says, 'you shall come!' Is the sinner more powerful than God? Can he resist the will of God, which is that he will come unto Christ. No, a sinner is not mightier than God, and so Christs promise here does still stand. Does the sinner hate God and Christs gospel? well God says, 'he shall come.' Does he say that he will never come to Christ, and that he would rather go to hell than take on the Christian religion? well God says, 'he shall come.' Does the sinner lack any want of faith, or any heart for repentance? well God says, 'he shall come.' It is a great assurance to know that God will not cast out sinners, and that all who come unto him he has called to come. John Bunyan (the author of "The Pilgrims Progress") wrote a great book on this subject titled "Come and Welcome to Jesus Christ." You could get it here if you were interested in it: banneroftruth.org/us/store/sermons-and-expositions/come-and-welcome-to-jesus-christ/

@@RStark-ek7mh Yes. I was a Christian. And all Christians despise what they fear or don't understand. Now I am INFINITE

@@RStark-ek7mh whats your point exactly? I think some people are most certainly chosen. This however, does not mean all are. Bible vs support both arguments. For me however, I can simply not reconcile God being 💯 fair and just and yet, predestining most to hell. I believe God wants all to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and saviour.

Thank you very much for this!!! "God predestined what will happen when we believe rather than predestined us as individuals".

Well that's worrying

Keep in mind , the Holy Trinity has the name 'I AM'. He doesn't know "already" or "beforehand" . These are all human constructs of our finite minds. God knows - period. Since He knows every circumstance and moment of our lives , He also knows He never abandoned us with the grace to avoid the wrong choices , or to be tempted beyond our capacity to resist. So in our final judgement at death , we will be shown His perfect justice ( not mercy - that was for during your lifetime ) the perfect justice of either heaven or hell for eternity. As long as your WILL is intact , however weak your body becomes , you can repent of sins and return to God's love. Praise our Lord , our Creator , for His infinite goodness ! I love this part in scripture where Jesus says "you believe because you have seen . Blessed are they who have not seen , yet have believed " I interpret this to mean He's referring people like us centuries later . Jesus sees all times at once . With the individuals He was talking to , He used the past-perfect grammar "they HAVE believed" even though we weren't conceived/born yet.

1if you know with 100% certainty that if you have intercourse with your partner you will produce a child that will be all his life in the most horrible pain and suffering would you decide to have intimacy and bring this child to the world?b

Thanks to Adamand Eve humans and even Jesus have to pay Adam and Eve sin, this could of been avoided by spaying and neutering Adam and Eve and only make them both pay for their sins.

​@@markdettra1794If he knows every circumstance doesn't that mean he's already completely aware of who specifically is going to end up in heaven or hell. Meaning the final judgement is completely meaningless because it's already pre-determined. Or are we just not supposed to think about those implications like good little mindless drones.

You have free will. If you just read the bible apart from others teachings you will know for a fact that you have free will

Very good and true.

Yep he's so loving that the little kids who are starving are feed by his love and to all the people who believed in him that had horrible life from the moment they were born he is so loving that he gives us life just to suffer

@@patrickgrant6389 You are the pot calling the kettle black. If you really believe in what you think, I ask you, "How many starving children have you fed?"

God loves you! I am praying for you! he loves you! If you will allow me, please respond and let me maybe show you the Gospel. Or if theres another source you can go to.

@@patrickgrant6389 Because is nothing but a cosmic horror. This is just a sick game he plays with us. Haven't you noticed that God's only way of doing things is through suffering, pain, torture, agony and madness? And since he can do everything he wants, the only logical conclusion is that he's evil incarnate. A cosmic horror.

I absolutely love this approach. I need to memorize this.

@@rabz4948 well wdym? The kid has the free choice to choose the cauliflower, but how many kids do you know that would do that?

@@peachyoana1 even if we take out god that kid will still be predetermined because he can only pick what he wants and he isn’t in control of what he wants he never made the decision to like cauliflower over ice cream it was just coded into him that he would prefer ice cream therefore he isn’t freely choosing the ice cream because he can never change what he wants

@@rabz4948 Bro stop bs-ing. On the daily you choose like 20 times the ice cream and few times the cauliflower. It's not always one choice, you choose whether to be righteous or not and whether to follow God or not. It is a free will, right now you can take the decision on what to do with your life. Yes, "it is coded" into us that the flesh will be sinful, and each one of us experiences lust, anger, and other sinful thoughts and actions, but this is where YOU CHOOSE whether to repent or to continue sinning. If you repent and let God change you then you are no longer gonna pick the ice cream every time. On the other hand if you refuse to let God change you, you will continue picking the ice cream. You are in control, yes God knows the future but your actions affects your future. Regardless of what He knows, you still get to choose what you do.

@@rabz4948 You're talking about predestination, which some Christians believe and others don't. In this case, you asked how the child could have free will? What child do you know would eat cauliflower or sauerkraut or brussel sprouts over a bowl of ice cream? This is a decision that anyone can know what's going to happen. I'll give you another. A child is told he can go to an amusement park for the day where there will be games and rides and treats, or he can stay home and clean his room. What do you think the child would do in that situation?

Did you think this through

Read Romans 9

@@evansumner9261 I did because of this reply. Thank you for replying.

​@@philipb7400 How do you feel now?

The objection of "If God knew such & such beforehand , then why wouldn't He intervene and change the outcome ?" is making the assumption that our own freely made choices had nothing to do with the consequences . The only human souls in hell are the ones who chose it. God appealed to the hearts & minds of those individuals while they lived , but they rejected His voice. PRIDE is the most dangerous thing to happen to any of us. It blinds us , just as it did to Lucifer.

@@markdettra1794Sorry friend but this is logically inconsistent and simply wrong.

@avb19d6 Very few come to know Him, he said. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord and I will say, I never knew you" to their faces. And say, away from me you worker of iniquity. (Matt.7) This is the same reason the Heavenly Father hates you. (Ps.5:5.) You must repent like you promised the Lord when you received him. Very few do so trust no man and do it yourself. It is the only way to know when you do it.

I am so confused because didn’t the Bible say when you get to heaven god will erase every sad memory you know of just so heaven could be a happy place. Does that not contradict the statement of free will by knowing god more since you don’t have the freedom to feel negative emotions. Like does heaven lack ambiguity if the only emotions present are just the positive ones, it reminds me of the book The Giver. Also God is the creator of evil which means he also created hell, this god gave us-humans- two choices(follow god or burn in hell) which is not free will in my opinion, it is more like an ultimatum. As a matter of fact many Christian’s follow god because of the fear of hell. Someone please answer my questions or respond to this because I am curious as a fellow ex Christian. And also if god has the right to do whatever he desire and he desires and he desires that we are free of sin why can’t he not cleanse the world of sin. Make the world a better place for us. I mean, instead of sending his only son to get brutally nailed on the cross I’m pretty sure he could have done something more effective to cleanse the world of sin. (No disrespect to the religion)

god forces existence on all of us and punishes those who reject it. Living forever is not freedom, its a prison.

​@abongojfjdlel4096 No, going to heaven is not a refusal of free will. You go to Heaven because you want to and choose to, and therefore go down the path that leads to it. It's like saying, "even though I walked into the water, I now can't breathe so that means my free will was taken away from me." Also, reality is what it is, and there is nothing beyond what God has created. The fact of only good and evil is what reality is, so it's not just "an ultimatum." If you want something other than good or evil, that means you must become God and make something that is different from good and evil; a third option. You're also forgetting about satan. God didn't specifically create hell to purposely throw people in it. It was created from the fallen angels who brought evil and destruction into the world, and those who intentionally reject God go there, because hell is the only place absent of God. If you don't want to be with God, well then hell is where God will be absent. God doesn't force you to be with Him in heaven if you choose to reject him. Christians do what is good because they know it is good. We all have a sense of what is right and wrong, yet we acknowledge that morality comes from God. It's important to follow God because you love him rather than purely doing it to avoid hell.

​@Ali Quintana do you have a link? If so, it doesn't show up as a hyperlink.

@@CircleWedge oh no really? Search for Soteriology101 … the one that says “The Purpose of election in romans 9: an overview feat @RuslanKD”

Dang, man. I struggle with all of those feelings too. I do think that you have to interpret Roman’s 9 in it’s context and the context of other scripture. If you read Roman’s 9 carefully you’ll notice that it is not talking about people’s salvation, but rather God’s choosing of Israel as opposed to other nations. Also you have to keep verses like 2 Peter 3:9: “He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” I believe that this verse means that God wants people to be saved more than we do. However, like the video said, God did choose some people to go to heaven. But I think He gave us all a legitimate choice. And at least He cared enough the damned to die for their sins. As far as having kids I don’t know, man. I really want kids, and I think God wants people to have kids. But I can’t help but feel that I’m risking their eternal souls for selfish reasons, and that it would be more merciful to let them not exist. But then I feel like that by not having kids, I’m not trusting God and saying that I know better than the Almighty. I think I will have kids, and I will pray for them really hard and try to be a good witness to them. One day I will understand. Meanwhile I just have to try and trust God.

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Been there too. You are listening to the wrong voice. Depression is simply telling you something is missing. Take a genuine guess what’s missing? Thoughts…take ALL thoughts captive. Meaning ignore them, they are deceiving you every step of the way…yes even the “good” ones. Don’t want to exist…is self condemnation . Who do you know that wants you to condemn your self? Exactly, not God. When you realize what’s missing then you will recognize the right voice. This voice leads you out of the darkness of the imagination where you are at the moment.

I disagree with your statement, at least with the way you imply it. God does not choose to harden the heart of people for the purpose of not WANTING them to obey Him. God never makes a sinner desire or choose evil, neither does He ever create sin or put sinful affections in a person’s heart. God is patient and merciful and continues to give evil people opportunities to repent, and while He never entirely abandons any human being in this world, He will eventually allow stubborn sinners to be carried along further into the chosen sins of their evil hearts (Rom. 1:24, 26) Sin would naturally infect and corrupt the heart utterly if left to itself. Therefore, all that God has to do to harden sinful human beings is to withdraw His common, preventive grace and give the sinner over to what he already loves and wants to do. Take for example the Pharaoh in Exodus. God is described as hardening Pharaoh’s heart so that Pharaoh disobeys God. Ten times God is said to harden Pharaoh’s heart, six times it simply says it was hard, and three times Pharaoh is said to harden his own heart. The evil in his heart was already there.

@@user-kn8kx6fj4r thanks, brother.

he wont just send us straight to heaven or hell bcuz we wouldn't have had a chance to live our lives. that wouldn't be fair of him. we would obviously question why he is sending us to heaven or hell when we didn't even get a chance and he would say that he already foresaw our choices and actions. see how that is unfair and doesn't make sense? God is fair and just.

@@donkeykong2.0 what good is living your life if you are predestined for hell, id rather not live at all than have a limited time on earth and then being tortured forever, he already knows your going to hell before you're born, and still allows you to be born and exist knowing that you're going to hell, that is maniacal and sadistic.

He said God does not predestinate hell since he loves the whole world as in John 3:16.If he did so it would contradict his love for man as you have just pointed out.Be blessed.

@@christiankiptoo6647 Very thin line of saying he does not predestine but knows where they are going

Amen 🙏 this is soo truee

What Scripture is being referenced? The one Romans is referencing?

It’s almost like GOD is… evil

That's not true

Do you read the ESV by chance? The word “apo” is not the Greek word for before, nor is that word referring to people’s names being written but to the Lamb being slain. The ESV has a very strong Calvinist bias, and they translated this verse poorly because of it. Even a Calvinist should agree if they’re being honest and aren’t so fragile/puffed up about their beliefs that they feel they need to prove every single verse that can be interpreted Calvinistically must be or they lose somehow. Yes, men make mistakes. Even Bible translators. Look that verse up in an interlinear and tell me what you think. Or you could compare translations too. Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. That’s what’s being said there.

Interesting fact I learned the other day! Apparently the last verses of Revelation (KJV) were guesswork, and apparently ‘book of life’ is more accurate as ‘tree of life’ 😁 Admittedly though, I like the translation of ‘book’ better

@suulix4065 in most translations it is tree. The tree and the book are different things

bif you know with 100% certainty that if you have intercourse with your partner you will produce a child that will be all his life in the most horrible pain and suffering would you decide to have intimacy and bring this child to the world?

That sounds more like a multiverse theory thing, which really isn't plausible. I used to believe it before, but I realise if it were real, God would've chosen a better world than this one. God is outside of time and knows everything, and He also knows the future that will happen as a result of the choices people make, so He knows who gets saved.

People can have freedom of action but it doesn't mean they have freedom of will. Just because you had the ability to choose otherwise does not mean you would've ever chosen to do otherwise. Let's say someone is about kill someone with a gun. They are wighing the pros and cons of this action and they decide to shoot because they hate the person. In my mind this person was free to not shoot but it doesnt mean his impulsive feelings would have allowed him not to shoot. Same could be said about the same person if he goes to jail and changes his mind about killing. He is now convinced jail is a horrible place and when confronted with thr chance to kill someone again he does not do it because of the risk of prison. It's just that in this case his fear of killing didn't allow him to do otherwise even tho nothing was restraining him physically from pulling the trigger

This ties into God because God has created everything. He created all the environments that create violent and peaceful people. Some people are simply a product of their environment like racist people back in the day. So now if God set everything into motion, he creates all the causes for all effects essentially. Even if God doesn't like it, he is the one that set into motion someone's impulse to kill or someone's desire to spare someone's life. On top of this God can see the future and apparently all people are already destined for heaven or hell to God, meaning that even if criminals are free to accept Jesus in the sense that they have all the tools to do so, it does mean they will have the desire to and the desire to not want to accept Jesus is ultimately a product of God because God caused everything in his creation, even if he doesn't like what he's caused. It Is entirely possible for God to make Adam and eve knowing they would betray him, while not liking that they would. In my mind Adam and even didn't have free will but freedom of action and freedom of action to me is not enough to make someone morally responsible for an action

Even Hitler?

@@vaughntwo-three3721 well, it was his choices that drove him to do such things so yeah

If we are all predestined for heaven, why did Jesus need to die?

@@dmbsituation Because people reject Jesus as Lord. Although God desires everyone one in heaven people who refuse Christ as Savior don't get in.

I have the same question

Everyone can be saved Jesus said tackled this in John 6:33, For the bread of God is he who comes down from Heaven, and gives life to the world. VS 35: I am the bread of life who comes from God, HE WHO COMES TO ME shall never hunger, and HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME, shall never thirst. So as long as you come to Him, you become the ELECTED, but the He says again in VS 36: You have seen me and yet do not believe, all that my Father gives me WILL COME TO ME, and the one who comes, I WILL NOT CAST OUT. So if at any point in your life you discovered Jesus and believed in Him, then were actually among the number whom He said his father has given him. Remember back in Jesus days there were people who saw Him do signs and wonders (in Short at the beginning of the very book of John 6 He had just done the miracle of feeding 5000 people, which was what began the topic about bread) meanwhile they still didn't believe, so that was Jesus subtle way of telling them that they could be responsible for being among those whom God numbers as his own, if they believed him. So as long as you've believed and accepted Him them you've been CHOSEN/ELECTED by Him. Then in vs 44, He said, "No one can come to me, except the Father who sent me DRAWS them" and how does he do that, by his Spirit which is on earth for it is Jesus that said that when He the Spirit of truth comes, He would reprove/convict the world of SIN, RIGHTEOUSNESS AND JUDGEMENT. So God through the Holy Spirit does convicts the Sinner of sin, which makes Him repent and come to Jesus, gets accepted and get numbered among His elected. He convicts Believers of Rightousness so that they can live a Holy life in other not to fall Back into Sin, and OF Judgement because the workers of iniquity are Judged (including the ruler of the world as seen in John 16:6-15). So I tell you that as long as you can respond to the beckoning of the Spirit, then you are numbered among the elect. Remember we were sealed with the seal of the Spirit and Jesus said "I will not leave you comfort less, I will come to you". And in vs 45 he said "It is written in the Prophets, 'And they shall be taught by God'" (how, by His Spirit) then in vs 63, He said, it is the Spirit that Quickens, the Flesh profits nothing, the words I speak to you, are Spirit and Life. So as long as the Spirit of the Father can still speak to your Heart and Reprove you to Jesus my friend you are saved and will remain saved and that is what it means when He said "No one can come to me except it be granted to Him by God" because alot of people will hear and refuse to believe, they will see and doubt, as with the people Jesus was talking to hear, because alot of them turned away and stopped following him because they felt He was saying a hard thing. And then he looked at His disciples and asked them, are you also going away, and they said to Him "Lord to whom shall we go to, you alone have the words of Eternal life." so that is the heart with which we must approach Jesus, that He alone has the words of Eternal life. God bless you.

​@@lesmaryciao83 So this is the answer to your query, read and be blessed... Everyone can be saved Jesus tackled this in John 6:33, For the bread of God is he who comes down from Heaven, and gives life to the world. VS 35: I am the bread of life who comes from God, HE WHO COMES TO ME shall never hunger, and HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME, shall never thirst. So as long as you come to Him, you become the ELECTED, but then He says again in VS 36: You have seen me and yet do not believe, all that my Father gives me WILL COME TO ME, and the one who comes, I WILL NOT CAST OUT. So if at any point in your life you discovered Jesus and believed in Him, then were actually among the numbers whom He said his father has given him. Remember back in Jesus days there were people who saw Him do signs and wonders (in Short at the beginning of the very book of John 6 He had just done the miracle of feeding 5000 people, which was what began the topic about bread) meanwhile they still didn't believe, so that was Jesus subtle way of telling them that they could be responsible for being among those whom God numbers as his own, if they believed him. So as long as you've believed and accepted Him them you've been CHOSEN/ELECTED by Him. Then in vs 44, He said, "No one can come to me, except the Father who sent me DRAWS them" and how does he do that, by his Spirit which is on earth for it is Jesus that said that when He the Spirit of truth comes, He would reprove/convict the world of SIN, RIGHTEOUSNESS AND JUDGEMENT. So God through the Holy Spirit does convicts the Sinner of sin, which makes Him repent and come to Jesus, gets accepted and get numbered among His elected. He convicts Believers of Rightousness so that they can live a Holy life in other not to fall Back into Sin, and of Judgement because the workers of iniquity are Judged (including the ruler of the world as seen in John 16:6-15). So I tell you that as long as you can respond to the beckoning/reprove of the Spirit, then you are numbered among the elect. Remember we were sealed with the seal of the Spirit and Jesus said "I will not leave you comfort less, I will come to you". And in vs 45 he said "It is written in the Prophets, 'And they shall be taught by God'" (how, by His Spirit) then in vs 63, He said, it is the Spirit that Quickens, the Flesh profits nothing, the words I speak to you, are Spirit and Life. So as long as the Spirit of the Father can still speak to your Heart and Reprove you to Jesus my friend you are saved and will remain saved and that is what it means when He said "No one can come to me except it be granted to Him by God" because alot of people will hear and refuse to believe, they will see and doubt, as with the people Jesus was talking to here, because alot of them turned away and stopped following him because they felt He was saying a hard thing. And then he looked at His disciples and asked them, are you also going away, and they said to Him "Lord to whom shall we go to, you alone have the words of Eternal life." so that is the heart with which we must approach Jesus, that He alone has the words of Eternal life. God bless you.

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@@joham no only the elect are saved and will suffer many things in this life

Amen!!