DO PEOPLE ONLY BUY CANYON BIKES FOR THEIR CHEAP PRICE?? 

Wrong question. Should be: if Specialized/Trek offered similarly equipped bikes for the same price as Canyon, would people still buy Canyon? I think THAT is the real question. I’m pretty sure most people see Specialized/Trek/Cervelo etc charge waaaay too much….to the point of overcharging and borderline gouging the consumer.

You don’t like Canyon because Canyon has cut the middleman, you! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 !

I personally think that company like specialize or trek selling their frames at 6k is way overpriced considering their cost of manufacturing is probably less than 1k. Canyon is one of the few companies that make an honest living by not ripping their customer off. Kudos to them and we should have more companies like this.

Canyon sells bikes that “should be” $8k to $9k, he says. Spoken like a true middleman.

I've owned 2 Canyon's, thus far, and they're both amazing machines that I would highly recommend - The D2C business model seems to provide the most value to the end customers by way of price and overall quality.

I understand your point about IF Canyon went to comparable pricing. But Canyon has shown that the Big Bike Brands are WAY overpriced.

The sad part is a lot of brands are trying a semi-direct to consumer move and we arent seeing their prices come down.

I have had 3 canyons and have had no issues with them. Build quality is fine. Pricing is obviously competitive. You don’t sell them so you are bound to not like their business model.

My Canyon is $3200 cheaper than a Trek with similar specs. $3200 buys a lot of LBS labor if I need any service not covered by Canyon. No brainer.

This argument makes ZERO sense! Of course people by Canyon because of the price and the only reason people buy the more expensive brands is because of the name. Neither are any better or worse than the other when it comes to almost all riders.

My gravel bike is a Canyon Grail - and I love it and it is unique on group rides. To your point, the price is unbeatable ( specially when you take into consideration the components ) - The only challenge I have is service - bike shops are not very enthusiastic when I bring it into their shop. BUT I love my Canyon !!!!

I just bought the new Grail and compared to alternatives such as the Aspero 5, Crux, Diverge,…it is an unbeatable deal around 3000$ cheaper than anything with very good components level. Pretty innovative too with inside storage, more options for groupsets also (no 2 by for the Crux for example). I used to buy all my bikes from Specialized but am incensed at their current pricing: 8200$ for a Crux Pro compared to 5000$ for a Grail CF SLX Di2 which has a better wheelset. Specialized, Trek and all need to discount all their high end bikes by 20-25% to become attractive again

If the bike shop premium was like $500, canyon buyers, at least myself, would probably be more interested in buying from a bike shop. But when the bike shop premium is $2k+, it’s hardly surprising when people don’t buy the bike shop bikes. All other brick and mortar retailers have figured out how to compete with DTC. The bike manufacturers and shops need to figure it out.

I’m that old guy you were talking about - riding continuously since the 80”s. It was time to upgrade from my 2016 Giant TCR 0 (all DA 15.5lbs). I went to my professional bike fitter (UC Davis Sports Medicine) and got fit with the dimensions before shopping for a new bike. No surprise - the stack and reach on endurance bikes were a better match than the Giant TCR. So I searched all the potential endurance bikes - Cerevlo Calendonia, Giant Defy (pre SL ), Specialized Roubaix, Trek Domane, etc. and what I found was all of the top end spec models were 2lb to 3lb heavier than the TCR… Yes, I am not as flexible as I was 20 years ago , I wanted something close to my TCR but a bit more relaxed and a bit more comfortable, but still light and responsive . After a long search, I found the Canyon Endurace SLX 9 (pre-toptube storage) it met the stack and reach requirements, and weighed about the same as my TCR , including more comfort from wider tires and flex seat post. The new Giant Defy SL wasn’t out yet, it would also worked - even if it would have been available there is no way I could justify spending $5,000 more for the Defy SL. Over the years I have ridden high end bikes from Merlin, Cervelo, Giant etc. After riding it, the Canyon rates up with any of them. For me it wasn’t as much about price as it was that Canyon offered the bike that fit the criteria I was looking for. ❤❤

The only way to honestly answer this question is with financial transparency, which will be almost impossible to gather. It would help if you had the cost of manufacturing from Canyon, trek, specialized, etc, and then the price the retailer makes from it and the suggested price. Also, the cost at which these companies are getting the components. Once you have that, you then have to see and compare side by side these frames with complete tear downs. Until then, it will all be speculation. But people go for three things: performance reputation (tour/wins), weight/ aerodynamics, and the price. Canyon bikes are winning stages, have decent aerodynamics/ weight, and, for the price, give excellent components. This is coming from someone who's on SL7 sworks with top-tier components. I've never ridden a canyon, but I can also think like a consumer.

Everything is relative. For example: why do so many buy Chinese (such as the elves) instead of more expensive variants? Well, the performance is similar. The same with weight, and so, the Canyon is popular as it is a tested and nice frame with decent wheels for a great price.

In my opinion it is really the performance. This year my dad bought a wilier filante SLR with Dura Ace nad the Wilier SLR 42 KC Wheels and some Selle Italia saddle with titanium rails for 12.000€. I bought a Aeraod CFR Di2 later this year in sale for 8699€ with the upgradet seatpost. This bikes comes with DT Swiss Wheels, eqipped even with better hubs than the SWORKS Tarmac complete bike has, it comes with some of the best Selle Italia Saddles with carbon rails, it comes with a ROTOR Powermeter. And in addition to this it has one of the best frames in aerodynamics, tested by the german tour-magazin. They compare every bike in wind tunnel, the stiffness is mesured by engineers etc. In the end there is no bike, lighter with the same aerodynamic than the Canyon aerod. Only the simplon Pride 2 and the Storck Aerfast are a bit more aero, but weight 300g more. The Cervelo S5 is worse in windtunnel and on weight. The Scott Foil and the Giant Propel are on the same level like the Aeroad in the Aero-Segment in my eyes, but more expensive.The onliest bike, that makes a better overall package for me and for the tour magazine is the SWORKS Tarmac SL8. But here comes the price again. And even some components are nicer on the way cheaper bike.

It is less that Canyon is so much cheaper than all the big brands…it’s that the big brands are not putting out a product that is worth the price they are charging. No chance an SL8 is worth $15k. You can buy a S-Works SL8 frame, Ultimate CFR complete bike and swap the groupset over for less than a complete SL8. It’s a joke. Big brands are marching themselves out the door. The market will go this way and the other brands are starting to do the same. It won’t be long before the local bike shops are cut out/reduced to repair/maintenance.

You're saying they allegedly take Chinese frames, but then 1 min later you say they are pushing the boundaries on engineering. Can't be both... I think they are just analyzing the market and following their own style. Specialized has the do-it-all bike, Canyon sticks to the full out Aero bike + climbing bike. I prefer the do-it-all bike, because I want to have 1 single bike, so I got a Spesh But I do like the looks of the Aerobike as well When I was shopping for my frameset I actually considered the Aerobike, but then saw a really good deal on the SL7, so I went for that one

Bought a 2023 Canyon Aeroad CFR with Shimano DuraAce Di2 12 Speed and DT Swiss ARC1100 top of Line Wheels all for $8,000 and I really LOVE my CFR. I’ve been riding every Top of Line Pinarello’s since 2006 up to a F10 and that’s when the price point went way way up with the F12 and then the F. I really love the Looks of the Pinarello F but at between $15-17,000 it was a No Brainer really. That’s almost double the price of the Canyon! Money justification reared its Ugly head. Had the Canyon not been priced that competitively then that would be a different story! Price MATTERS DEFINITELY and Bicycle Prices are gone MAD and thankfully Canyon has their thinking Caps on to save the very people that keep the Cycling World alive……. Just IMHO……..

Specialized are SO OVERPRICED. They are ripping off consumers. Canyon is the people's brand.

My Aeroad 2020 is fast as f and looks glorious. Never will have an issue buying a Canyon. All the other brands are waaaay overpriced. I think Canyon are too but the other' are smoking something else!

sorry sour grapes Grant but wtf. canyon bikes are independently tested to be near the top in their categories. talking shit about canyon LOL go to tour mag and see the reviews. do they have qa issues yeah. so does trek with crappy bb90 and iso speed . specialized with steerer issue.

💯💯💯Canyon offers VERY GOOD VALUE FOR MONEY! 💯💯💯 They are not OVERPRICED, unlike all the BIG BRANDS! 💯💯💯 Love Canyon design & aesthetics 👍👍👍

If the innovation, design and reliability is good enough for the world champion is good enough for me. Their business model is excellent for many people.

I bought my aeroad 23 for 2 reasons 1. imo the best looking aerobike 2. I ordered it and it was delivered 3 days later… in my opinion you asking the wrong quenstion… maybe the trek sl9 is the better bike but you need to compare the same pricepoint so is a sl6 with 105 and cheap wheels a better bike than the cf slx with ultegra and dt swiss. I also do everything on my bike by myself… so no Need of a bikeshop for me…

Bought mine when I was living in Japan. I’m 6’1” and none of the LBS’s had anything in stock in my frame size. Decided to give them a shot since they would send straight to my door. Had my bike shipped from Germany to Japan in 3 days. 10/10, would buy (and probably will buy) again.

This sounds like the debate over Amazon 15 years ago. Why would someone want to buy on-line when they can go to the local electronics store and talk to real people and get the help they need. How did that work out. For the vast majority of bike buyers, the capability of the bike they buy far exceeds their ability. Regarding looks, Canyon road bikes tend to be extremely conservative, generic, vanilla. Some of that I suspect is to keep the design simple and less expensive to manufacture. Performance wise, there is little difference and totally unnoticeable by the average consumer between what your getting for $6,000 in a Canyon road bike vs $10,000 on a Specialized, Trek, etc. Average Joe or Jane does doesn't feel 8 watts of aero savings or 10% stiffer frame when they at max put out 300 watts going up hill. All the big bike brands have nearly identical engineering capabilities, design software, wind tunnel access, real world testing etc. and know very well how their bikes perform relative to the competition. At the end of the day, people buy Canyon for price and maybe just like car dealerships and direct to consumer EV cars they prefer the on-line shopping experience. Eliminating the middle man and understanding that there is a big market for selling high spec bikes with simpler frame designs is clearly a good business model for Canyon.

Aren’t treks and specialized made in Asia too?

5 years, >30tkm w/o any issues with a canyon - even pressfit was fine. I like the attitude releasing new stuff like the "hover bar". Just sad they only sell as listed w/o any customization available to get the right fit.

I don't own a Canyon but I don't get the hate from a bike shop. I will happily pay your mechanic their hourly rate for service regardless of the logo on my bike.

Just bought an aeroad after a madone and domane. Build quality is amazing. Spec is excellent. Price is exceptional. It rides flats with no effort and climb’s amazingly well. Your issue with canyon is based on capitalistic bias. You can’t turn around and make 2 grand for assembling a bike. Bikes in shops are overpriced. I’ve had issues with all my treks. All covered under warranty. Mainly seatposts etc. You keep talking about Chinese bikes like there’s something wrong with them. Check out the video of the guy who chops frames in half and details the production process of the carbon. I’ll take the expert opinion over your ignorant rambling any day.

When I first saw a Canyon bike in the pro pelotón, I knew I wanted one. That was back when Katusa was riding them about ten years ago or so. Then Cycling Maven got one and I was soooo jealous. They're just beautiful bikes. Now that I'm in a position to get my next bike, I knew I wanted a few things: Electronic SRAM shifting Power meter Fully integrated / clean front end For it to be a Canyon road bike. My New Canyon Ultimate arrived Tuesday and my first ride in it was Wednesday. I love it so far.

In all honesty you’re asking the wrong questions. It’s not a question of PRICE, it’s one of VALUE. For anyone to think a bike of a certain spec “should be” $8000-15000 is simply ignoring the problem of bicycle pricing today, because I can buy a pretty high spec motorcycle for that money. Even Canyon’s bike prices are high from a perspective of manufacturing cost vs retail price. A Canyon Endurace CF frame isn’t any worse than a Trek Domane SL. They’re both manufactured in China and have similar QC levels and issues. The SL 5 is $3600, and the comparable Canyon is $2299. There’s virtually nothing separating the two in terms of quality. The Canyon isn’t a lower quality frame for less money. It’s a comparable quality for less money. And with the extra money, a consumer can throw on carbon wheels and a power meter and have a significantly better bike than the Trek or Specialized alternative.

Also helps that MVDP won big races on this.

Can not follow. Canyon has a huge R&D budget at the same size as Specialized and they really push for innovation. Also all warranty cases I know of were handled very decently. So I can not follow the point of that video.

I think if we are being honest, ALL bikes are way overpriced these days, including Canyon. They just aren't taking the Mickey quite as much as the big guys feel comfortable doing. In terms of on the road performance, I am sure most enthusiasts would simply not notice any difference, so why pay more?

I have a Canyon bike and had an issue with the crank, the support was good and fast and they even gave me an upgraded crank. This was in Europe, don't know about the service in the US. But on the topic of all the marketing going to funding the elite athletes and MVDP can win on anything, why would someone even bother spending more money on another legacy bike frame when even the top cyclists can win the stages on the "cheap" canyon frames. Is it just that the other frames looks better in your opinion, that they are worth spending more money on? ( I like the look of Canyon bikes) I think in the bike industry the bike prices are really high these days and only the top models really get promoted, so more people want the top models but the only moderately priced ones are Canyon bikes.

Offcourse i choose canyon because it offers a good quality product for a competitive price. I would never buy a specialized for a few thousand more the frames aren't better. And i work daily with those bikes

To answer your question, I'm buying a Canyon Ultimate even though similar Specialized models are 30-40% off here (South Korea) and thus slightly cheaper than the Canyons right now.

Canyon cooler and more desirable in many people’s opinion than big boring mass produced Giant, Specialized, Cannondale, Trek etc. Canyon customer service has been excellent in my opinion. And local bike shops are hugely variable in quality, approachability and I’ve had more issues with LBSs doing a poor job compared to Canyon. Let’s face it all the brands are more or less the same mass produced in similar locations to similar quality. People aren’t suing canyon every 5 mins because their frame or fork exploded on a decent. Everyone has quality issues recalls etc. Buy canyon and have a few thousand pounds dollars or euros for servicing parts replacement upgrades or save it for your next bike.

The lower pricing of Canyon is just icing on the cake. I mean their bikes are out of this world good; the Aeroad is one of the fastest road bikes ever built. And incredibly comfortable! I'd buy Canyon even at a slight premium over other bikes.

Retailers dont like Canyon - nothing New / Specialized is a king of marketing but nothing really New since years too / i have a sworks sl6 and a canyon Grail and both bikes are fantastic

Canyon seems to be hitting the sweet spot in regards to the product, marketing and biz model. It's good to have competition.

Following is from a mechanical engineer's perspective who has been cycling for decades. It isn't the cost proposition. Its the value proposition. What is value by definition? Value as taught in school and even a boundary condition of design because engineers can design better products with a bigger budget.. Value = Cost/Benefit. Value is a ratio. How much does it cost? divided by how much bang for buck you get. The misconception I believe promoted on this channel and others like it is...there is much difference between higher end carbon bicycles. There isn't. That somewhat solves the 'benefit' part of Cost/benefit equation. David Arthur recently tested a $14K flagship Trek Madone aero bike against a $6K round tube Giant TCR in a wind tunnel with the same riding position and wheelset. There was virtually nothing between them in terms of drag nos. Marketing or lies. Pick your favorite word. Back in 2016, a Scot Foil which was a very early iteration of an aero bike which had one of the harshest rides of any race bike on the planet 'ever' won the fabled cobbles race, the Paris Roubaix. So much for needing an endurance geometry bike to withstand the rigors of getting beat to death for 100 miles under the most grueling of riding conditions most of us will never experience. Roadbikes now are highly evolved, I have ridden and raced with pros and ex-pros. One of the stongest riders I ever rode with rode an old aluminum round tube DeRosa with mechanical 105 and box section wheels. He could drop anybody I know on that thing. So bikes now are close in performance and at the end of the day the 'rider' is what matters for speed on the bike and therefore 'money' walks and talks as to what a rider buys because you can't buy game or much game at least. The Cannon business model 'speaks for itself'. It works for many people. For a guy like me who never walks in a bike shop because I build all my bikes from scratch, I don't need a bike shop. I mostly ride old Specialized bikes before Specialized lost its mind. I agree with Durianrider about the rip off of the bike industry and why I believe they will flounder in more difficult economic times in particular. Same with the car industry btw because greed and respective business models are not dissimilar. Probably 85% who ride a road bike do need a bike shop...especially with electric shifting and hydraulic brake hose routed through the head tube. Part of the reason so much of the public is hustled by the bike industry is because they are technically clueless. People live in a society where they turn in an Iphone for a new one. Fewer things are repaired now. They have never built a bike from scratch or god knows pulled an engine out of a car or changed the transmission on a motorcycle. They know nothing and are easier to sucker. That's all.

Wind tunnel numbers on a Canyon vs a Specialized don’t matter to 99.9999% of people. To some people paying $3,000 more to cover them in a low probability event like a frame failure, letting them bring a defective frame to a shop, is worth it for them. To others there’s no reason to pay $3k for that benefit. Plus, I’ve seen a bunch of videos where Grant complains about how Specialzied doesn’t let you customize your cockpit at all on a $12,000 bike. I’d love to hear someone speak to the benefits of buying from a shop and what tangible things that extra 25% cost gets you. Rather than saying that DTC is bad because the bikes are unreliable based on anecdotes, let’s hear what you’re actually getting for those extra thousands and compare that to the cost you’d charge a DTC customer for the same service in your shop.

Here you go bashing the competition again. My Aeroad CFR is way better then the S-Works Tarmac and Trek Emonda SLR that I previously owned. The truth of the matter is that the U.S. brands will not match the price and spec of this competitor till they realize how much market share they have lost.

Imho it comes down to this: If you have a good qualified local shop what really looks after you then sure, buy there. But most people probably don't have that. During Covid I tried to get some things done on my old bike in shops in my town and they didn't really wanted to or could not help. So over the 3 years I build my own little workshop in my basement, learned lots of new skills for maintenance and so on. Of course my new bike was a Canyon. I can service it myself now and why should I throw money at people that where not willing to help my during the Covid times?

I bought my Grizl only over the price and components,… the same diverge f.a ( components) you pay 3 tsd. € more 3299 to 6300 think you pay a lot for name like trek or Specialized … or other brand Cervelo ,… open enve …. … development is the key … the service and the price. For employees in stores of non canyon brands will need a pay check … and that’s why in my opinion , take a specialized bike is at least 2000/3000 in the same specs more expensive … and that is what the lower price is the service… do not go with a canyon to a normal bike shop for a repair … they will in the most normal way not accept a Canyon bike… here in Germany the are now more service points and I think they will be more worldwide …in the luckiest. fall in your neighbourhood 😂 best greeting from Hamburg

I doubt you will even see my comment but ive worked with multiple brands in Australia as a mechanic, i think canyons are just as good as their competitors. Ive built a few canyons for customers and they always seem really good quality, and way cheaper than what my shop could sell a bike of that level for. 90% of riders wouldnt even know or feel the difference in a good quality vs poor quality frame, but what they can notice is how good the gears and brakes work. So why would they want to pay more for a bike that has shitter components ? If someone rides around with a loose headset and dosent even realize, are they going to notice the areo gains of a 10k bike? NO For 90% of riders, A good groupset and brakes (and wheels) if going to make your ride wayyyy better compared to a tarmac with stock wheels and 105 As far as after sales service, iv had one experience when a flux came into our shop to be built and when i unboxed it, there was a solid impact in the front triangle. Canyon sent our shop a new front try angle and paid us to fit it. Was a very easy process I feel a lot bike riders have no idea how to take care of their bike, let alone maintain it, and they would be the ones complaining about canyon and other brands. If i owned a shop i might think different but shops hate on canyon because they cant make money off them…. I bet most would sell them if they could As a mechanic and someone who has ridden for over 15 years, i think they are pretty solid

Come on GC. Canyon exposed how other brands are ripping customers. It’s widely known fact that bike shop margin is 35% manufacturers margin is another 30-35%. I understand you have a shop but they have been exposed.

Quality components that fit matter to me. More than looks or supposed aero benefits and that’s why I go for Canyon.

It's such a foreign point of view to me. Just placed an order for a €1600 van rysel ncr tiagra. Most of my friends have actually cheap road bikes for around €1000. Whining about "cheap 5-7k" doesn't make sense to me. I just have to congratulate all you people that are that much richer than I am. I actually considered a 3k canyon ultimate cf, but the proprietary steering tube diameter was too off putting to me. Being locked in into canyons mail order service every time i want to adjust my fit.

If I’m to be perfectly honest, this sounds like a real sour grapes rant. Very similar to the reaction of auto dealers against Tesla who also sell direct to consumer. I don’t see why any self respecting top pro team would pick Canyon simply because of “marketing”. They have no shortage of Tour level victories relative to other brands. They’re also consistently placed at or near the best in bike comparison reviews (go watch RU-vid). I think you’re upset because you don’t have their business. That does NOT mean that their bikes have mediocre design or low quality as you’re insinuating.

I got an Aeroad cf slx. Bought it as it got good reviews from both magazines and youtubers. I have put about 40 000 km on it and I think it is doing okey. I get better suport from Canyon than from Specialized.

Design is clean, price is good, colours are nice, they kit up bike with known brands not some in house stuff, at least in EU there is excellent support, they have price point for every budget and more. If you look Specialized sl8 is starting at more than 6k and Ultimate starts at 2.6k. If you want to buy at same price you need to get SL6 (who else sales 2 generation old bike?). People who buy high end bikes for 14k are older people who were watching old races when this brands were dominating. New generations will watch Canyon riders and on top of that the bikes are wallet friendly so they can ride them too. This so called top tier brands have the worst marketing. Old school system based on local shops.

I am that older guy. I been riding a Canyon Endurace CF SL di2 Aero for five years putting 38k km on it. Last May I got Aethos S-Works..Love both bikes. Canyon Endurace is more comfortable and Aethos is 1 kg lighter. Not to be a cliche but the Canyon was €4100 and Aethos €14000. I prefer the headset bearings and BSA Treaded bottom Bracket in the Aethos from a maintenance perspective. Customer service is great in my Specialized LBS. My couple of interactions with Canyons customer service has been bad but my LBS has sorted any issue out without significant cost or fuss. So what’s the real differences, well three things.. Comfort, weight and €10000. Two of them are subtle to imperceptible.

The Aeroad is a rocketship 🚀

Let me ask you the reverse question: why/how is a Specialzed/Trek/Scott etc a better frame than a Canyon? If it’s just down to shop support, which I 100% agree has value, is shop support really worth 25-30% margin on a $5-13k purchase? Tough to argue that on a road bike where it shouldn’t be in the shop very much. Mountain bikes is a different argument due to how much maintenance there can be.

The new Grail is likely going to be my next bike, not because of price, but because it is the only bike which has the geometry (and features) which I am looking for: longer wheelbase and reach, lower BB, in frame storage (so no seat bag out in the wind), lightweight (even in the SLX model). And yes, the price is not insane, like the one other frame I was considering (Enve MOG). Sound like you have some sour grapes GC! You say Canyon is a "cheap chinese frame", really??? Compared too what? How is it "cheap"? You actually site no specifics here-on the one hand you suggest that Specialized is a much higher quality frame, but again, no specifics, how is it higher quality? Specialized frames are mass produced in Asia, just like Canyon... I have not owned a Specialized bike, but I do have a set of Roval (specialized) Terra CL carbon gravel wheels. I love the wheels, but the quality of the carbon work was lacking: the factory rim tape job would not hold air and the reason was pretty simple: the rim bed finish was so rough the rim tape could not stick down to be reliably air tight. I had to spend a lot of my own time to fix this, carefully (I have worked with composites and do not recommend inexperienced folks do this) sanding the rim bed surface smooth enough such that the rim tape could get a reliable seal. Since I fixed the rims myself, the wheels have been great: but certainly the poor surface finish of the rim bed of these rims did make me think Specilized does not have some super high quality carbon work going on! Now, are Asian produced carbon frames of lower quality than some, perhaps yes, like maybe Time, and the Canadian made We Are One rims I use on my MTB appear to be of a very high quality-better than anything I have seen from Asia. But 90% or more carbon bike frames are of Asian origin, including Specialized, Cervelo, Trek, Giant, etc... Unless you can site some specifics, it sure seems like you are blowing smoke in canyon's direction here.

$2700 for my Canyon Endurace with 105 di2. My brand is normally Cannondale and they had a Supersix Evo at $4500 and another at $4250. Also a Synapse for $4500. I just cant justify almost an extra 2 grand. I think that Synapse is on sale now for $3370. Too late. I looked at Giant also, my local shops are dealers. $3000 with mechanical 105. If Canyon can offer such prices, no reason why bigger companies shouldn't be able to or at least come close.

The quality is as good as a specialized/trek/cervelo every brand sometimes has a problem even specialized with their sl7 steerer tube recall

I think you are misunderstanding why people keep bringing up canyon and the price. They bring up the price because they're essentially trying ti say why are they able to bring down the price of a bike and the big companies can't. I still feel like if canyon was a big box store that charged the same prices they would still sell. And I'm pretty sure that's mainly up to their marketing team. Specialized pushes the marketing of their achievements but canyon markets with athletes and projects.

"decent looking frame"? Damm, i find it gorgeous...

I own a Canyon lux trail CF , and previously an Exceed and Neuron AL. Canyon has to have good looking frames with good components or they wouldn't sell because you never get an opportunity to look and feel the bike in person, but the frame quality , especially on CF models feels very much like it was built to a budget. If you compare Canyon CF frames to Specialized even FACT 9 there is no comparison. The Specialized frames feel like a finished product whereas the Canyon frames don't feel optimised or refined, just really stiff and they also like you say look good. If Specialized for example was the same price Canyon wouldn't be in the game at all. By the way I've never had bad service from Canyon, I'm dealing with Germany direct. They have always been polite and efficient.

When I saw the aeroad for the first time on GCN 6 or 7 years ago I thought it was the coolest looking bike ever. Now that so many aero bikes look the same I can see the price being the big differentiator more many consumers.

Competitive price is a great feature. Don’t hate! I can’t wait to see the bicycle bubble burst. I say this as someone who bought a brand new S Works in 2021.

It does suck that canyon is sort of anti LBS, but they sell their bikes for what these bikes should be closer to costing. Nobody can convince me that an sl8 is that much better than an aeroad or an ultimate. Also can’t knock canyon for selling bikes with marketing like MVDP, when half the reason people obsess over Specialized is the s-works logo. Ask Chris miller what he thought a out his aeroad

Once you have ridden for awhile and you build your fitness you understand that it's not all about the bike.You don't need to go out and buy a top tier bike to be fast.Most cyclist come to the conclusion that a 3 or 4 thousand dollar bike can be just as fast as a 14000 bike.So yes if I can buy a cheaper bike with good components and save 7 or 8 thousand dollars then that's what I will do.We are not pros so we are not concerned about what they do on a bike.And yes those China made bikes are on the rise because of value.

I've had a Canyon Ultimate since fall of 2019. I'm 6'5, mine is an XL fits me like a glove. I love it. I'd buy another one in a heartbeat! Just my 2C.

I own two Canyon bikes. Gravel and endurance road. The ride quality of the frame feels unrefined. It's decent but not velvety smooth like my BMC Team machine. But the price makes up for it.

They are not that cheap, to be honest 🥺

I would agree with your logic, but Canyon bikes review very well and win a lot. You talked me into buying one 👍

I own an Enve Melee road bike. I also own a Canyon Grail gravel bike. Honestly they both perform well. Now aren’t most major brands built at the Giant factory in Asia? IMOP find the best bike that fits you for the money.

Specialized (or should i say Merida😉) bike frames are not made in China? Also from own experience, especially Specialized dealers acted like Rolex ADs in the pandemic and were not the best in making customer relationships that last any longer..

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on the Time Alpe D'huez or the Look 795 Blade RS in terms of performance and quality against other brands.

You make it sound like selling DTC and providing consumers with real value is some sort of evil marketing trick! Canyons are great, I'm on my second Ultimate and the experience from customer service has been brilliant. I crashed a frame during a lockdown and had a new one shipped Germany to NZ within a week. Also, re. your comment they're generic - Canyon has one on the most distinctive and consistent design languages of any brand. Local bike store very happy to build up my frame and service my bike.

To your point. If the bike similar to Canyon for 9K retails 12-13K. Does the LBS really need to make 3-4K per bike? Maybe local bike shops should become Local Bike Service where there is pure margin and bikes should be sold Direct to consumer? just a thought.

Are they really that bad? I went to Koblenz where Canyon‘s home base is for a couple of times. The folks are very enthusiastic. Their bikes aren‘t that bad. It feels like their prices are still tough to beat but the gap between the old pack and them is no longer that big what is good for LBS‘s and the market at all. If you have the chance to get the bike you desire at a reasonable price, always buy it locally. But if not, why not Canyon?

In June, was looking for an aero road bike to replace a Litespeed road bike from 2001. Looked at what the Pros ride in the tour and that was my short list. I did look at Winspace bc of Hambini, but wanted something that was proven either in a wind tunnel or race. I couldn’t justify new car money on a pro level bike from Cannondale or Cervelo (I ride a lot, but not a pro or pro power) but for a few grand less, I could get a Dura Ace spec bike from Canyon. Bought the Canyon. Zero problems in first 5000 miles, including riding across the US in Aug/Sept. wouldn’t change a thing on it.

Same happens with expensive brands! Specialized SL7 crown beeing damaged, Bianchi handlebars cracking, etc. Quality is the same, price is much lower on Canyon, and for me they are ghe ones tha innovate more

If you sell someone a 12k bike and you find a problem with it while you're building it, do you tell the person or do you just fix it? How often does that happen? You're the final QC on bikes you sell. Canyon doesn't have you, they have someone who might not even know what a torque wrench is let alone know how to use one so there's no backstop. I have one of the original Aeroads with the handlebar that had to be replaced. Honestly, I never had a hint of a problem with the seatpost or the handlebars and I don't think either were much of a problem but I had to wait a year and got 1500 dollars back - still not happy about that, but the bikes they're selling now don't have that problem and my bike is really, really good. I think Canyon is good value for money and at the same time I think it's pretty hard to buy a bad bike these days. Cannondale was racing their second tier bikes painted to look like their Lab bikes... So really how much of the froth is real anyway? Glad you brought all this up too.

you say it looks like any other china build bike and you are not wrong, if you look up canyon ultimate and og-evkin 25 disc you will see that it is the exact same bike! I also own both(one for me and one for the wife) and can confirm without a doubt they both left the same factory. over 10tkm on both with 0 issus so cant really complain about it, canyon and giant are the only big brand with okay ish prices and the rest of the big names are just out of touch with reality.

Question is who is really manufacturing the tour pros bikes? Just like the old steel bikes, do you wonder if there’s a custom shop building the tour pros bikes to look exactly like the mass production bikes at a much different quality level to hold up during things like the Tour de France.

thats the dyson model...everyone loves their dyson because they spent 800 bucks on a vacuum that works just like my 50 dollar.

Thanks for the great info! Was having some difficulty trying to decide which bike to get. Going to cancel my order at the Trek store and order a Canyon! Going to save almost $3000!!

Been on Specialized for a long time (Chisel, Epic, Tarmac and now a Crux) and also own an Canyon Aeroad for almost 30-40% of the price point of a new Tarmac or a Dogma or Astro Vam. Am I happy with the Canyon right now?Yes I had to spend some big bucks on cockpit change but would be the same thing for the other brands as well. I think other brands need to start realising that the Covid level inflated prices need to come down (both from the starting range as well as the premium high end ones). We are going to see the same trend with the automotive industry. I think Canyon is doing a fantastic job and as a consumer I am happy with that.

I bought a 2023 Canyon Endurace with Di2 groupset. Wanted to love it so bad, but didn’t. Switched to a 2020 Roubaix and it feels more like what I expected the Endurace to feel like. Feels lighter, faster, bettering cornering. Roubaix is also more comfortable stock but stuck with proprietary seatpost and future shock stem. So that’s both a plus and minus. Still much happier with the Roubaix over the Endurace.

Instead of celebrating a brand that tries to keep prices down, you're disappointed you're not getting a "cut"?

Just paid for the wheelset and groupset, while the frame is free🤣

GC thanks for your channel, I’ve only been in the road bike sport for a few years and my first bike was a canyon endurance from the outlet store and my second bike was a Canyon Ultimate CF SL rim brake and I’ve been very happy and pleased with both purchases. With my budget canyons pricing enabled me to get into and enjoy the sport of road cycling.

I don't want a Canyon or own one but I totally get the reason for buying one. Why pay 2 or 3k$ more for another mass production frame from China?! Hambini and others have proven that you can get shitty frames from BMC, Cervelo, Pinarello, Scott. The big brands need to prove why their frames are worth more and this has not been the case yet.

The Canyon Aeroad CFR is top of the line, fast, light and climbs like a mountain goat.

I personally think the ultimate and aeroad look great

The answer to your question is no. Canyon makes some fantastic bikes and they just happen to be a crap ton cheaper than many others on the market with similar builds. I guess the direct to consumer model is working for them. I have not heard too many complaints. If I had to choose between a Canyon or Specialized, I would choose Canyon and this would not be based on price point. But, if I had to choose between Canyon and Trek, I would choose Trek.

Specialized doesn’t market their bikes? What makes Canyon cheap Chinese made carbon compared to Specialized? Is specialized better because they charge more? What’s wrong with consumers saving money.

Missing the mark on this one Grant. You sadly just sound like a Canyon hater. I’ve owned an Aeroad for two years and it’s significantly better for my style of riding when compared to an sl7 (which I’ve ridden as well). Saying that someone could win a World Champ on a Walmart bike is just plain ignorant, and you know that. You’re begging for views with his video.

Flip your question around. Is a Specialized, Trek, etc worth 2k more? What are you getting for the extra 2k? Also, who the hell cares about wind tunnel results? Bike shop guy thinks you need to take your bike to bike mechanic to fix things, news at 11. Seriously, bikes are pretty simple machines. Love your takes, and the insight you provide. For the record, I don’t own a canyon but have never bought any of my 5 bikes from a bike shop.

I have three Canyon bikes 2 SLX and recently 2023 Aeroroad, awesome bikes! no issues that can't be easily fixed ... i.e. seat post creaking. and yes decision made after weeks of comparison and the price was the deal maker.

Had an Aeroad and there is no question that it is a great bike performance wise. But keep in mind that first there were handlebar issues, then the seatpost was re disigned twice because it was really bad. I had paintjob issues, experienced missing parts, missing tools. Support could not even tell for months what the rire clearance on that bike is, which scres to use and so on and so on. They do not know their own products. I was unfortunate enough and had issues with my Aeroad and response times as well as the willingness to help was beyond bad. It took 8 months to come to an agreement which I suggested at day 1. Canyon wanted to force a repair on the customers with seatpost issues which basically relied on better grease. If that was the soution to the problem why re design the whole seatclamp area? All in all I am sure many people are very happy with their Canyon but if you need help you are lost. I happily spend additional money on my next bike from a local bike shop, although I am well aware that not everybody would be willing to go for the additional invest.