Do the All Blacks get a PASS MARK for England win? | The Breakdown, July 7, 2024 

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5. Good first game, but lacking cohesion. Need more time together. Fans need to give Dmac a chance to find his groove in the ABs at test level. I think when Dmac finds his rhythm and the team adjusts to his game play, we'll have a real weapon on our hands.

Chill mate

Chill brah

Also not true. England have nowhere near 90% of its World Cup team.

Yep and no need to worry they just starting

Calm down champ. It's just journalism speak

bayeke bafo

@@uSbusiso_ Ngiyakuzwa mfwethu. 🙏🏿

Ons gaan nou braai

@@Repoman_64 Dis te laat vir 'n braai

@@uSbusiso_ there is no such thing about it being to late to braai.

Agree made a big impact throwing n running.

i don't know why they persist with Taylor, hes too small and doesn't do hard carries, Asafo takes the ball up like Taukei'aho, mate we need hard ball runners

Aumua and Taukeiaho are the now and tomorrow need go forward and added grunt at setpiece

Asafo is immense

The more min he plays the more fatigue and the worse he will be at the scrum. But if like England you like your props to be able to kick drop goals, side step and Goose step instead of winning the scrum battle then yes sure. OX can't side step, kick can't even pass the ball properly , but he wins scrums and thus wins games.

They have just played 6 nations. We havnt played anyone. No team at this level, can expect a master class performance. It's Dmacs first at 10. Number 10 is important. Still think BB should be there. Dmac, couldn't do anything in the Final against the Blues. BB is master-class at 10, at test level. Richie isn't available, nor Jordan, who makes a difference

I heard about this 10 yrs ago... North teams are improved but still only a single world cup win... southern hemisphere still dominating world cup...

​@@gregwaghorn8496Beaudan has past it and it's the reason why Blues won the Super Rugby this year, had Beaudan been there they would have lost. If Beaudan pushes Plummer from the 10 next year Blues won't win again.

​@@johndiamond6931you can't know that champ

And yet, Northern teams can't beat noddy

They played like a middling Super Rugby team: disorganized on defence, naive tactics in possession, often weak fundamentals but sporadic moments of brilliance. The fact England still couldn't win is more of a testament to how bloody average they still are.

Not so long ago, if the ABs barely beat England at home by 1 point, that would be concerning. Now we accept it. Mediocrity.

Good on you boys

Samoa would probably beat Aussie lmao

Congratualtions Samoa and happy for them and want to see consolidating and building on the success.

Great result

Yes but he also put us under a lot of pressure with an mediocre kicking game.

DMac was fearless under that high ball

​@@Badmansbandhardly had any bad kicks, he set up a try with a good cross kick. He was able to keep the ball down in the English half 65% of the time and he found touch when he needed too. Other than missing some tough conversions in his first test match this year he played well, ran well, passed well and created alot of opportunities especially in the first half. We missed out on finishing alot of those opportunities, a few changes in selections may be necessary to tidy up those areas.

@@johndiamond6931 the third quarter was poor. Kicked a lot of ball away to find ourselves back in our half again and then tried running and passing under pressure behind our 10m.

​@@Badmansband yup, been doing too much for way too long.

Well spoken and humble ❤

A Bull of a female. Impactful.

JK never said Kicking to space to gain territory is boring Rugby. Justin's Mum makes another comment. Funny that.

And All blacks kicked so much in that game

@@mfanafuthimpanza3631 All Blacks Kick every game.

@@Albert_Br no you lying all blacks play with ball in hand not kicking

Nah cuz drop goals score you more points bro they a genius strategy ha ha even smarter than the bro who invented speights

Cam and Noah Hotham are both the future. Christy is super combative either side of the ball and clinical for a different style but not quite as impactful except on defence in tight test matches.

Reckon he won’t be the same player after this injury.

Oh i thought MacDonald was the attack coach?

@@AK-wc9rl Agree. The defense looked all over the place leading up to England’s 2nd try. All Blacks need to do rush defense too.

England at times just need to stand on the gainline such was our predictability really hope Ryan drills the pack to initiate the maul earn much needed yard and runoff that because the pick and go has limits

I lament the way rugby has lost it classic backine and forward play.I think the defensive line needs to be set at 5 meters except players immediately committed to the ruck up to an equal number of defenders v attackers.This should allow time for forwards to set together in blanket drives and fir the backlines time to align deeper and run on to the ball

Rush defence sucks, anyone watching the game can see why. Only issue was the ABs not capitalising on its weaknesses in the second half, despite doing so in the first.

Agreed

Mils is the only reason i watch this.

I make that comment every week bro shot for making it for me lol I’ll shout you a beer after work g

Yeah...get rid of JK

100%. I had huge respect for this program. JK chenged my mind. He is a snob. The SIR title did not do him any favors.

He kind off reminds me of Willie Le Roux at the back on 15 spotting the space controlling the game and striking when the time is right. If your 15 can do that you control the game.

I think the more influential point was Razor picking Pero over Beauden

Exactly. Living in the past is dull as a stump.

I agree but when all time greats retire, we should miss them

Agree. Cam roigard has huge potential, just a shame he is injured. I think Ratima and Hotham have a lot of potential also, not so much Christie as he is decidedly average.

No disrespect I don't agree with you that you deserve a win. You take a win it isn't handed to you and saying your players deserved the win is a disservice to them. They won that match done and dusted

Have you been to Eden Park? Well it's situated in a picturesque neighborhood. Leafy streets alighned with historic Victorian villas. Bars and resturants are all walking distance. England are in good hands.

Yes the subs saved us but 2 of Christies kicks weren't perfect. England's 2nd try in the match just after half time started from a bad Christie box kick that led to the 5 points, the missed penalty goal also at the start of the second half was the result of Christies poor management at the back of the scrum and rucks, we only got better in the 60th minute when the subs rolled on.

​@@johndiamond6931 Yup. TJ is terrible at box kicks

Box kicks too long and allowed escorts to screen.

Christie's kicks were terrible off the back what you on about none of his kicks were contestable

Ian Foster wanted both him and Jamie Joseph as his first assistant coaches, which the NZRU didn't approve of as they had contracts to get out of

@@Tom_McMurtry Interesting. So Foster wasn't working with his first choice assistants, but his assistants turned out alright in the end!

I'll talk about it. I think you're getting overly excited ... investigation ? give me strength. There was no "shot clock" !! The clock on the screen is the broadcaster's clock. There are forever discrepancies .... for example the referee calls time off and the clock ticks away and the referee calls time on and the clock is not restarted. It's not the official time!! The match will have a designated official time keeper/s - whether that be the referees assistants or other delegated officials. Have you seen the number of officials at a high level rugby match before. What do you think they all do. The referee would have been taking his cue from the official timekeeper.

Define “real experts”… don’t agree with cancelling people because you don’t agree with their opinion. I would like someone similar to Matfield on the panel permanently, a knowledgeable and respected non-new Zealander for a different perspective

Yeah they’re getting very boring. Some younger people too. People who are not and were not players.

The show is produced just formulaically as they share the same opinions every week. New people would not like it or go well. Just need more variety in general.

Yeah I feel like I have to make a formal complaint myself😂

There is this thing called the internet. You can search rugby content from what many might call experts from all over the rugby world. Do you have a search engine.

We could see exactly what your talking about at Eden park on Saturday night

I agree. Even if just to make the rush D have to move further. The risk is we go backwards faster if the defence is successful however to balance that out they get more tired and potentially have to run faster to make up the ground in which case our kicking game, grubbers etc become more effective as turning around is harder to do for them if they are travelling quicker. Many advantages to being a little deeper. Only play it doesnt help with is the cross field winger kick

@@theflaver NZ rugby coaches still haven’t figured out how to combat the rush defence.

Yep far too much shuffle passing with the receiver standing still or walking,or the receiver having to check their run because the ball is delivered to the man instead of into the space for the receiver to run on to.

@@lockk132 also primed for intercepts

No they weren't. Got a link?

No they weren’t at all. The English media said they would be happy to be within 7 points.

Nonsense, I read the articles myself in the UK. Talking about 2003,.etc. And as it turns out, with some justification. You don't think the English tabloid et al float these fluff pieces at every chance?

NO we are playing Foster 2.0 rugby!!!! Got nothing to do with Ioane or Barrett!

I know right. The ABs are a phenomenal team and have some of the best athletes in world rugby. Just feels like they're missing a bit of grunt or mongrel. The contemporary batch just don't feel like the previous likes of Kaino, Collins, Nonu, Read, The Bus and more recently Rettalick and Whitelock

That’s the NZ way.

@@petewisdom1984 This clip should be saved and replayed whenever Kirwan talks nonsense about changing the rules to help the sport.

He both thinks it's a more exciting product for audiences and thinks it would benefit NZ rugby

@Tom_McMurtry he usually claims the former while not acknowledging the later.

this is nothing new though, we've been struggling to find solutions against this tactic for quite a few years now...teams are happy to force or invite us to kick they understand the AB's without ball in hand are a lesser threat

@@craigrodger3628 i dont know why box kicking is the answer. We always used to consider ourselves a triple threat. Kicking was part of that. Seems people want to reinvent the wheel. But regardless, happy with the win. Soldier on.

Perofeta should be our starting 10!

@@thefobbie0034 can he kick goals? If so i dont see why not. But he did play crisp at FB. I guess maybe when will jordan returns they may look for jordan at FB and entertain perofeta at 10 if he performs under pressure like he has in the remaining games. Caleb back soon hopefully. Cam roigard. I feel like we have a dangerous team brewing

@@Edgycoo Yes he can kick goals and NO he is NOT a fullback even though he can play fullback! Perofeta is a 1st-five and has always been a 1st-five! I believe the call for Perofeta to play fullback came from Robertson to Cotter to play him at fullback! Perofeta should be the starting 10 Barrett at fullback till Jordan has recovered!!! I do agree with you that we do have a great team brewing but need to shift Savea to 7 and look at Sititi and Sotutu OR Cullen Grace for 8! I would have started Akira Ioane ahead of Finau on Saturday BUT again another stuff up losing a top player to overseas! However we need to change the game plan because we are persisting with the POD game and this is what got Foster into trouble!

I think the English were offside a lot, and I'm not quite sure that I'm more rapid pass would've broken that defense. Smith is in the past and we need to move on. This happens with all teams and I really don't think Peranara was bad.

​@@Broughiefirst half with Perenara was good, 2nd half with Christie wasn't. I think an average pass can be ok if players stand deeper or if the defense is manipulated with several running options and running lines. The pod system can't be the only option, we need variations in attack and when setting up phases in attack.

@@johndiamond6931 I think Perenara started OK, but to my eyes he seemed to get slower as the 1st half progressed (prior to the injury). His box kicks didn't seem that good (head down/lack of depth control), he seemed to complain (offside ref) a lot before reaching in to get the ball from the ruck. I felt it gave the English more time to set their defense (which was very good) when he did pass. A 4.5/10 performance. Christie had his own issues (I'd rate similarly).

@@jeromieweatherburn8835 fair assessment except i would rate Perenara a 6/10. Compared to Christie there was a huge difference in the 2nd half. In the first half ABs were able to create so many opportunities but couldn't finish them all. In the 2nd half they created none. The main reason I believe was the difference between each platform each halfback was able to give their teammates, Perenara was ahead there. I absolutely agree TtJ started to get slower later in the first half which is the same time he started to get on the ref and try to play mind games with the ref. And it's a huge negative to his overall game because up until then he was playing mostly very well. Christie also had a tendency to cry out to the ref too which I think both halfbacks are guilty off and may have squandered opportunities because of it. But there was a massive difference between both halves, in the first hslf ABs were able to play in Englands half many times and were able to score 2 tries, in the 2nd half I don't remember ABs even getting into Englands 22 and they didn't score any tries. So basically that's how I saw it.

Super rugby aotaroa was brutal. Should bring that back and ditch Aussie. And let the abs play in NPC somehow that was great too.

Yeah I heard the ref say 10 seconds. Problem was DMac didn't seem to hear him

Well, I'm not complaining about the penalty. But I didn't hear it on the TV and maybe that's the feed they were watching. I think it's good that they are expected to kick the ball sooner.

DMac, had actually started his movement to kick the ball when the ref called it off. Could DMac hear him, I am not sure. But DMac is consistently over the sixty seconds in many of his kicks. Time for a shot clock so we can all see it. But, DMac has pushing this envelope too long, it was inevitable that tis would happen.

I believe that the 60 second Shot Clock starts from when the team tells the Ref their intention & (should be) stopped when the Ball is struck. If the shot clock were to stop at the start of the Run-Up then one could in theory place the ball, sprint back 50 yards & start your very slow run-up taking a heap more time off the clock. Frustratingly a team could wind down the clock another 5-15 secs by delaying their decision but that is another issue. Once the Ref has made the mark, blown their whistle & pointed to the posts, that should be the end of their involvement until signaling whether time has run out or the Kick/Conversion was successful etc. It should not be up to the Ref to give a ’10 second’ warning - hear me out. You would hope that by the time the decision is made to kick for the posts, that both the Ball & Tee are readily available to the Kicker. If the delivery of either is delayed then that is valuable seconds lost. To avoid those ‘lost seconds’ the team should have a 'Water Boy' & a Tee on both sidelines with the 'Water Boy' being positioned on the sideline as close to the Kicker as possible to speed up the handover of the Tee. The normal routine is for the Kicker to get the Tee off the ‘Water Boy’ while firstly having a quick slurp. To take a bit of the pressure off the Kicker, I would suggest that the 'Water Boy' be the Kickers eyes/ears with regards to the Shot Clock, personally giving the Kicker the reminders that they prefer to hear be it a 10 secs, a 12 secs, 15 secs or whatever. If there is no visible Shot Clock on the ‘big screen’, I would also have gotten the 'Water Boy' to have gotten the remaining time off the Ref, set their own lil Stop Watch to whatever e.g. 47 seconds, subtracted ‘2’ seconds from that time & then told the Kicker there was 45 secs to go. The 'Water Boy' then gives the Kicker the respective timings that they require/prefer & the ball would be struck with '2' secs to spare (at least). Having said that, I wouldn’t have taken the kick at goal on the ‘said’ occasion. It was highly unlikely given what had happened earlier in the game that the English were going to score a ‘worldy of a try’ from 1 end to the other, so just play territory/possession. If successful, the 3 points would have only increased the lead to 4, left time on the clock for a restart, given the English field position by allowing them a restart to compete for possession and the English could have pinched a match winning try. In stead of DMac going for the 3, I would have gone for the corner to play territory, possession & run the clock down. Kick for the corner, walk to the Line-Out (which is one of my bug bears when done against us!), catch & drive, 1 off runners, pick & go, keep possession & maybe even pick up another penalty. If an ensuing penalty is within the time which wouldn’t allow a restart then take the 3 points, call a scrum etc - game over. Having said that, if a team is trailing and time is of the essence then they can get the kick done far more quickly than the 60 secs they use when trying to run the clock down. DMac’s brother, Marty, would take a kick in about 5-10 secs. He was very good & accurate to boot as well. The 60 secs shot clock across the board also needs a bit of tweaking/re-thinking as there is a big difference from kicking a conversion from under/in-front the posts to having the Ball & Tee at the mark to indicate a kick for the 3 points to walking back to the 22 having scored a try in the corner having regained possession of a scoring try when the opposition or one of your (dumb) team mates has kicked/thrown the ball into the crowd.

@@2halves12 He was too busy grinning like a mental ward patient.

I don't think so, Perofeta and Dmac both had good games.

BB does not like contact. He is getting to old… but he is still pretty good.

I believe he changed our fortunes around aswell didn't seem like perofeta or dmac were putting the poms under enuf pressure with their territorial kicking and so the change was made at the perfect time,perofeta and dmac seem to be getting caught up in the attack attack mindset instead of thinking tactically and kicking for the corners

We haven’t picked a team to suit game changers for 6 years. We’ve been seduced by the idea that a Crusaders approach to a controlled, consistent team approach will win above Super level. We tried this with Blackadder (T) and Thorne. The ABs at their best have transcended being a good team by having players like Cullen, Jones, Nonu, Lomu, Coles, McCaw, Carter lift them above the predictable.

I heard the ref give dmac something not sure wat it was but at the end of the day dmac takes too long in general just kick the fuking thing man, too much emphasis on a 2 point conversions or 3 point penalties take too long

@@ManaBlack208 Dmac shouldn’t make that mistake again but he is not alone

@willscott2409 Better not,if we lost he would of been public enemy No.1

I don't think there should be shot clock. Why? because it provides another avenue to waste time. The referee should simply give one time warning ( 30sec,15secs but only one) on the cue from his official time keeper and leave the players to manage it. If the player has to manage the time left then that player is less likely to fluff around leaving it to the last second.

Let it go its gone you lost get ready for another loss this weekend too

Wat a lovely simple comment 😊it was beautiful too watch exciting intense

@@ManaBlack208 thank you and I am a Springbok fan but the All Blacks are always my second team to support and England should never be allowed to win 😂

It's called being offside!

No chance. South Africa upgraded with URC and EPCR. Super Rugby had no credibility. South African teams were disadvantaged by the travel and timezones in Super Rugby

@@peternicolaides7679 if you think you're upgraded, that's OK but crying about travel? I don't expect that from a South African.

​@@peternicolaides7679mate,nz teams have had to travel to south africa to play too...not once have they whined about it...get a grip..

Excuses,s.a changed competitions because they got sick of nz teams winning it more constantly🤣

@@tasiletoa1037 why everyone is so bitter in the comments ? both nations cmon man

lol the Ian Smith of NZ rugby broadcasting

TMO won the game for the Boks against Ireland... 3 shocking decisions.. World Rugby should be looking at that TMO...

Dmack is the best kicker in nz

said like someone that never played sport.

@@kraaidievoel were

Na they don’t know it 😮‍💨

Says the SA troll!

They won that's all that matters.

Not really. In 2007 we did a lot of rush defensive plays. We got called offside a lot and they chipped over successfully . It’s not always the best defensive strategy

@@poerava Sure but the ABs STILL struggle with rush D when they have faced a solid defensive unit.

@@bombasticbadassbrigade3552 Every one struggles with rush D

@@poerava this is true. I would've liked to have thought that the ABs have the skills/talent/coaches to try and best overcome this.

I don't think so. Aaron Smith and Richie Mo'unga would've ended the game 50min in

It would be worth having Caleb on the bench for sure....

@@dupex2 caleb after losing weight in sevens is a different beast. Im impressed with his improvement

He is certainly elusive but yes, I agree. He does do too much lateral stuff. You can get away with that and super rugby, but not so much in test rugby. I think Caleb running off Damien shoulder help. Keep the defense honest and take some pressure off McKenzie.

We should have started with European Rugby in 1996. Far better off with URC and EPCR

Listen to you lol. 'dude' ) you trying to sound tough. Show us where JK has ever said we dont miss SA in Super Rugby? ?

@@Albert_Brwtf how is that trying to be tough?😂 put the bong down g

@@rosswilliams2303 "Calling JK "dude" lol

Sititi is certainly one for the future & I’m sure & hope that he will get his chance but Eden Park may be a game too soon, as well as some of the other of the 13 left in this season. It has taken a lot of great ABs many many seasons & games to feel at home. When did Amua first appear on the scene? Amua really came to prominence on the international scene when he scored the Hat-trick against England in the 1917 U20 RWC Final in Manchester (UK), was taken as an ‘apprentice’ on the ABs 2017 End of Year tour but is now really only cementing his place after a couple of years of losing his way. I was in Edinburgh in 1993 to see Jeff Wilson make his debut against Scotland where I think he even got MOTM with the added responsibilities of taking the kicks. The following week at Twickenham, he totally choked & died & (for me) that had a big impact on his early career. I remember Kaino, Nonu & a bunch of others all being pretty ‘bad’ at the start. They were no where the finished article when they made their first AB appearances & took years to develop. Isaia Toeava was one for me that was ‘burdened’ with too much hype too early day and could have done with more time as an ‘apprentice’ but instead was thrown in at the deep end, lost his spark/confidence & was discarded rather abruptly. Such a waste of talent. Some are naturals but others take time to being an AB, their role in the team, the responsibilities, pressures etc. For Sititi to have been named in the 32 says a lot but let’s not rush things too early or on too big a stage too soon. Let’s enjoy the walk before we try to run (too early)…

@@lovemysport7902 mate we gotta move with the times look at South Africa coach he’s not afraid to chuck debutants in big games same with a lot of the European teams! The notion that every young talent needs time to develop is not true at all and there have been plenty of examples of 19-22 year old debutants from Canaan Moodie for South Africa to reiko and plenty more! Some are just born for it and strive in pressure moments. I think sititi is one of those players from semi finals to the finals the moment was never too big for him I’m not saying he has to start but bring him off the bench and see what he brings cos there’s way too much evidence of young players excelling to not try it out!

With regards to wingers & indeed most positions, it is horses for courses. In some cases, I agree that we should have 2 wingers of contrasting styles - power/strength vs speed etc but in other cases, 2 speedsters/dancers are good and other types of combos as well. With regards to Wingers, what is important these days (for me) are wingers who come in looking for work which all of the outside backs in the ABs squad can do so I would be happy with any of them. Was the ability to jackle the difference? Was Caleb still tender from the knock to the ribs he got in the SRP Final? But yeah, give each of them opportunities to help one another develop. Keep them fresh & keep them motivated. From a tactics perspective I would like the wingers to be versatile so they could effectively play as Blindside & Openside wings & change positions/sides accordingly/regularly during a game or even for a ‘set move’. Have the ‘power winger’ on the Blindside ready to run off the 9 or an inside pass from the 10 and the ‘speed’ winger out wide ready for the cross-field kick. If the ‘speed’ winger was also an ex Basketball/Aussie Rules player who would generally be able to leap & catch the ball safely in 2 hands above their heads then even better. In the case of Leicester Fainga'anuku, tearing it up at Toulon (Top 14) as a 13/wing (mostly 13), if he and Reiko were in the team together, could they equally swap/switch between 13 & wing during a game? Could Reiko & Clarke even switch now if both playing for the ABs/Blues? All teams/coaches/squads need options to pick a wider training squad, the apprentices/future, the touring squad, the starters & the finishers to make us as adaptable & un-predictable as possible to keep the opposition coaches guessing prior to kick-off & to keep the opponents on the field guessing during the game - Game Plan A, Game Plan B, Game Plan C, Game Plan D etc with Set Moves of A, B, C, D etc but always allowing to play what is in front of you. Individual skills, teamwork, eyes/ears, top 2 inches. And things like that don’t happen at the start of a new coaching regime, the first time that the initial squad comes together, maybe even the first year in (because some of the remaining 13 tests, especially some of the away ones, this Calendar year are going to be pretty tough). It’ll take time, slowly but surely. The first game against the English in Dunedin was pretty good for me. The ABs played with a good/reasonable level of control, commitment, teamwork & skills for a first hit out as a group. And no cards was a good thing too. I’m sure there will be a few things tried that won’t work at first so there’ll be a few hiccups along the way whether they’ll be ‘learnings’ (improvised/changed & retried) or simply discarded - who knows - but I’m looking forward to the 4 year ‘walk’ & have plenty of other ideas already written down…

@@antonpatea7390 Agree. Australia has a history of introducing young players who made the grade although to be fair, most were backs.

@@granthunter8450 yeah majority were backs but there’s definitely been some fowards over these years I mean England just had a prop France brought in young Tuilagi so it’s doable I just hate that notion of he needs time like stuff that if your good enough then you should play lol

That is just rubbish, a win is a win

@@pirate3599 It’s rubbish that Robertson had more material to study than his counterpart? I also heard England’s training sessions were being filmed.

So what

@@BS2Dos then surely you would agree that the same single 1 point win S.A. got in the WC final also raises more questions than answers...right? I'm going with your logic here

@@tasiletoa1037 But SA weren’t playing the SF with a new coach in place, were they. Point I’m making is Robertson had the benefit of referencing a few England games, which Borthwick didn’t.

I think its time for you razor diehards / sanders need to stop bashing Fozzie & Shag, they have both won rwcs, and fozzie made the last rwc semi final, season only just started and your already singing Razor praises he's going to win the RWC, how embarrassing.

@@pita3908 Did i say razor was going to win the WC? I actually thought England were going to win the game because of our new look group. Razor and his coaches aren't perfect, but I was just saying he's done what we couldn't do the past 2 games. Im not singing his praises, in fact most fans are bashing Razor, and were bashing him BEFORE the game even started, not even giving him a chance.

Do you think all blacks can beat SA playing like this ? lol long way to go for this team . Most teams just lost the fear and All Blacks aren’t as confident as they used to be because their game can now be countered . They haven’t evolved at all and taking SA teams out of Super Rugby made All Blacks weaker but made England stronger

Initially, I wanted a Shot Clock on the ‘big screen’ to enable it to be visible to the kicker but can you imagine if the opposition supporters could also see it & they started on the Countdown themselves? In certain games/countries, there would be none of that ‘Keep quiet. Respect the Kicker’ lark. It would be full volume 10, 9, 8, 7….& maybe sometimes even mis-leading so maybe a visible Shot Clock is not a good thing. For me, once the Ref has made the mark, blown their whistle & pointed to the posts, that should be the end of the Refs involvement until signaling whether time has run out or the Kick/Conversion was successful etc. It should not be up to the Ref to give a ’10 second’ warning - hear me out. You would hope that by the time the decision is made to kick for the posts, that both the Ball & Tee are readily available to the Kicker. If the delivery of either is delayed then that is valuable seconds lost. To avoid those ‘lost seconds’ the team should have a Water Boy & a Tee on both sidelines with the 'Water Boy' being positioned on the sideline as close to the Kicker as possible to speed up the handover of the Tee. The normal routine is for the Kicker to get the Tee off the ‘Water Boy’ while firstly having a quick slurp. To take a bit of the pressure off the Kicker, I would suggest that the Water Boy'' be the Kickers eyes/ears with regards to the Shot Clock, personally giving the Kicker the reminders that they prefer to hear be it at 10 secs, 12 secs, 15 secs or whatever. If there is no visible Shot Clock on the ‘big screen’, I would also have gotten the Water Boy' to have gotten the remaining time off the Ref e.g 47 secs, subtracted ‘n’ seconds e.g. from the time that the Ref said, set their own lil Stop Watch to 45 secs & then told the Kicker there was 45 secs to go. The ‘Water Boy' then gives the Kicker the respective timings that they require/prefer so that the kick is struck within the safety margin e.g. 2 seconds, that the team/kicker prefer or the tactics influence. Oh, and there should always be another of the team close by in case the Ball needs to be held/secured on the Tee or change the laws to allow the ‘Water Boy’ to do it.

@@lovemysport7902 The raucous crowd throwing the kicker off - similar tactics already happen in basketball. I think having a visible clock creates more transparency if done right, and also reduces the mental load on the kicker and official. I was the timekeeper for one of the tests last weekend, and the WR match commissioners were adamant it be visible. It took some finagling on the tech side, but a workable if not perfect solution was found.

@@lovemysport7902 crowd getting involved - happens in basketball all the time. I think the visual clock adds transparency, which is always better. At the USA/ROM match, the WR commissioners were adamant that it be visible in spite of the protestations from the stadium and broadcast tech crews. A solution was found, and while it took a minute for it to appear, there was a visible clock on the stadium big screen and on the broadcast. The fact that a tier 2 test could have one but not ENG/NZ is mine-boggling

that was the idea I'd say

@@ouiouipiggy4390 Same English side that France could have easily lost too during the 6 nations. NZs first test of the year, England's 7th. NZ have a new coach, a handful of new players, and are missing 4 starters. Playing g with a second choice first five/ half back combo is a big blow for any side.

@@Me-ex7qg It is very sad when people make excuses for their team or deny accolades for their opponents. It was a good match which could have been won by either team. Very silly comments about number of matches this season, it means absolutely nothing! Just enjoy the rugby and give credit where it is due! Here in France most of us saw a great test match with both teams with work to do but where both 15's gave all they could. Allez les bleues!

And the All Blacks aren't rebuilding????

@@salomiodendaal4473 Not the point really is it, NZ are home team and home teams naturally have an advantage and more resources/easily available replacements etc, etc. Don't be so sensitive. It was a great match, particularly for us as independents and my points were valid!

@@ouiouipiggy4390 you're making excuses for England losing and not giving NZ credit for a hard earned victory

Roigard going down was massive, he's our best hope to be another world class 9 and the Chiefs 9 is probably behind him.

Dmac was off too

couldn't handle the all blacks aura

From what I read from European pundits we were a team in transition, we had lost our world class players, and we were there for the taking.

@@swapacrate 10 days prep vs full 6 nations + warm up game against Japan

@@swapacrate well they technically weren't wrong...

Yeah and still won 😂

Too busy making personal promos, mate.

Missing key players for that like Smith, Mo'unga etc.

Frizzell ain't coming back