There is no prisoner there is no third death there was no bomb only to sad ending this a Win best outcome really. It was the best times it was of the worst times and prolonged tutorial act 1. For main act 1 part 2
I’ve actually done some further insight into Terminus the Finality before this current update came out. I hope it helps! So, firstly, I’m under the intense suspicion that Terminus and Akivili have a much closer connection (I even have a theory that Akivili created Terminus in some manner of way, after all, if a human can do it, why not an Aeon?) This suspicion of mine was further supported by … Terminus Themselves, the name literally means the End of a Travel Route. Train stations where Trains start their route, and where Trains end their route, are called Terminals. A Terminus is a Train Station where Trains only end their routes. Elegy’s description of Finality confused me a bit, before I realized that it’s possibly just an incomplete understanding of Finality, it’s been stated again and again that Factions interpret their Aeons philosophy in their own way, and it isn’t always the Aeons own interpretation of the philosophy. I believe that Finality is the Philosophical understanding that a journey will encounter some variation of its own Ending. That is what Terminus sees, the Bad Ending, the Good Ending, the Ugly/Pretty Ending, numerous Endings for numerous Journeys, but each Journey will ever encounter one Ending, and the deciding factor for which Ending that journey gets, is the choices the Journey made. “When you have a chance to make a choice, make one that you know you won't regret.” Now, backtracking to Terminus’s Path of Finality, I wish to use an example of how Terminus perceives time. From our perspective, a train reaches a Terminus, but for Finality’s perspective the Train reverses from a Terminus, reversing until it it stops along each Terminal it came across along its journey, and reverses until it finally stops at the Terminal it began its journey. Terminus isn’t reading a Book from Beginning to Chapter to Chapter to The End, it’s reading it in reverse, from The End to Chapter to Chapter to The Beginning. Elegy is capable enough to understand that Terminus is reading Chapter to Chapter in reverse, but isn’t capable enough to understand that Terminus at one point, began reading at The End. Edit: forgot to mention that in the analogy, Terminus reading Chapter to Chapter in reverse, is meant to signify Terminus traveling backwards in time, perceiving each choice after choice in reverse. Each Choice we make, creates each Chapter in our Journey.
So putting it in a simpler sort of image… Terminus reads from the end of every branch of an ‘imaginary tree’ and follows each one back to its original ‘root’?
@@DG_Toti idk how the imaginary tree works, but the main emphasis on how Terminus perceives things, is not just in reverse, but time itself flowing backwards. If the Imaginary Tree is influenced by growth in any aspect, Terminus would be able to see the final result of that growth, and watches as its growth is reversed through the backwards flow of time. For an ordinary tree, both it’s branches and roots are results of growth, with the trees entire existence originating from a seed. If the Imaginary Tree was ever a simple seed at one point in time, then Terminus might be able to perceive such a thing? Once again, idk the Imaginary Tree nor its limitations, going off of complete assumption with a whole lack of understanding and knowledge.
“Betray” is not the word here😭 The astral express is still needed near finality and the stellaron hunters don’t just do shit for fun they do things to stop future events from happening. “Betraying” the astral express wouldn’t make sense
There is a probability of that but given how the things are building up will be not a betray, there will be nothing to betray, seems to me both the Astral Express and the Stellaron Hunters are moving toward the same goal for different reasons so if that come to pass will be thing needed and will leave with no bad blood between the two factions.
dawit,if you are in need of an theory. im starting to believe oswaldo schneider is Void Archives/Otto. a young and upcoming ex-nameless that has risen up to become the leader of the Marketing Development Department with only the lack of seniority in the IPC being the reason he isn't part of the board. If we connect the fact that the astral express just started sailing again and the team sailing was originally himeko, welt and void archives, the lack of seniority with oswaldo and his small little tendency of commiting WAR CRIMES, it all just kinda slowly fits.
Something about the implications of Oswaldo being the Void Archives clicks but at the same time doesn't, because the Void Archives left relatively late, late enough for March to remember him but not too much, and it's implied Oswaldo has been around in the IPC for a bit of time even if being a former nameless, now if the Void Archives was always helping out or just took over Oswald's body when leaving which is led to the quick advancement in ranks would be justified, but idk how practical it would be, although like I said something about it feels right
Oswaldo's been around long enough to kickstart both Aventurine and Boothill's sad stories, meaning he was already a bigshot businessman selling his galactic lotto space gacha to space governments while Aventurine was still a smol Kakavasha. Which means Welt's been away from Earth longer than that. I think I'd rather believe that Void Archives is hiding in Luocha's coffin because otherwise that's pretty sad for Welt.
so, finality isnt just the very end it's every end across all of time and terminus travels from the future towards the past through them. if you take the future from the perspective of elio, it is a series of choices that branch out ever further yet some endings are the same. from the perspective of terminus every branching path is the merging of multiple futures. THEY sees the beginning as the end. (i really dont know how to cap off my thoughts) (i dont really know if this was helpful, just thought it was interesting)
I feel like Yaoshi and Terminus are two sides of the same coin. Yaoshi seeks to end finality, but Yaoshi idea seems to both embrace and transcend Finality. Yaoshi seems to want to end the cycle for everyone through evolution. Therefore, even if the end were to come, it is merely another form of evolution. Yaoshi wanted everyone to reach the “eternal paradise” through evolution. Meaning everyone can be great, but only if they put enough effort which is going through cycles of evolution. What is your opinion?
I kinda believe this, but I also believe that even Terminus doesn't really "want" an end that loops everything, considering how Finality works in their other series, it's more of a test to create the best of the best, something that can go against and defy finality itself, which is what could've led to the Swarm Disaster, as a test, and the entirety of wars and conflicts across the universe could be their way of hopefully reaching THAT singular outcome Also Fuli has GOT to be linked to Terminus somehow since they're the oldest and youngest Aeon and Fuli is considered one of the first
Somehow I kind of remember about Nahida did 168 loop to defeat scara on the end of Sumeru archon quest, if we assume the theory of elio bring us into the "destined win", that probably somewhat similar to how we can win on 169th attempt against scara.
so Firefly is softcore confirmed to be a pathstrider of Finality(dunno about the others) which i assume is her green winged form(complete combustion state) that she gained at the end of her animated short. Z but like...what does it do? every path has its unique abilities and Finality seems to be related to the prophecies of the future, but Firefly seemingly can't see the future in any capacity so how does her green power relate to it i wonder
Finality is more related to endings and beginnings similar to how Trailblaze is related to the stuff between. Firefly’s existence began for one reason, then that reason was removed, so now she’s trying to change her ‘ending’ before her ELS can force an ending she never wanted.
@@DG_Toti i agree about themes and meaning behind Finality but i am talking more so about abilities. for example Hunt and Destruction pathstriders are more combat focused, Enigmata pathstriders fictionalize or obfuscate, Abundance powers relate to immortality or stuff life that even Finality pathstriders like Omen vanguards have seemingly have powers to prophecize things thanks to Terminus's mumblings and Elio who is speculated to be an Emanator can see the possible futures, yet Firefly's powers don't seem to relate to them.
I think it's every Stellaron hunter (though, Blade is a bit of an exception considering he followed the path of the hunt, being a Luofu native). Elio is known as "destiny's slave" so he's the one really doing all of the work. The hunters are just executing his script/prophecies with their unique and useful abilities and capacities (SW with her hacking, SAMfly/Blade with brute force, Kafka with emotion). Elio is the one pulling the strings.
Finality is a darling path of hoyo considering their previous Honkai titles so i knew their importance in HSR was gonna be huge already. So i am happy to see it confirmed to be connected with Elio and the SHs. Elio in general sounds like a nice fella tbh lmao 😂😂😂
Saying that it is like a chapter rather than a book honestly makes a lot of sense. Finality is a HUGE thing in Honkai Impact 3rd and it kinda deals in a loop. In HI3rd, there is the 'Previous Era' and the 'Current Era' - with the PE being 50,000 years before the current. In the PE, 12 herrschers (who are god-like beings) come to Earth one-by-one to eradicate humanity - they are stopped and killed by the '13 Flamechasers' ("glory to the 13!") who are people fighting for Humanity. After the 12 herrschers are defeated, there was a battle on the Moon to stop the "Herrscher of the End/Finality" in which majority of the Flamechasers were wiped out - so they retreated back to Earth and went underground. The HoTE then destroys the surface of the Earth - wiping out majority of Humanity except for those who were evacuated underground. Because the 2 endings were not achieved - 'The Herrschers wiping out Humanity' and 'Humanity winning against the Herrschers' - the "Chapter", as you put it, is reset rather than moving onto the next putting them into a second cycle set in the CE. If a similar thing is happening in HSR, where it is a sort of chapter loop, but on a Universal scale, then it would make sense to why Elio's Script says there is multiple endings and not a 'set' one - with Elio trying to guide the ending where we win.
When it comes to the plan to beat Nanook a few things come to my tiny mind. 1 brute force, the least likely to work. Help from another aeon or aeons, the most likely to work but probably the hardest to prepare. When it comes to brute force as in the nameless and associates fighting Nanookie on their own. The trailblazer does have a stellaron in them for a reason but I doubt using it will be something available yet. The paths are trickier cause I don’t think having multiple paths makes an individual stronger, more versatile maybe. And the blazer could vary in power for each path. I don’t the express and associates can gather enough power unless they use stellarons. And unless nanook poses a threat like propagation did I don’t think the aeons will ban together like last time.
From my understanding Elio is trying to save the universe from Nanook by achieving a future so I do think they are all trying to walk on the path of finality but maybe they are trying to change the finality by achieving a certain future.
What if Elio as a Emenator of Finality writes the scripts and if the Trailblazer as a Emenator "acts out" and "chooses " the script As for why I think we're a Emenator of Finality is because of what elegy says, the way elio is constantly writing about us through the scripts ( id he is the narrator then we're also interacting with him) and how we're apparently holding Terminus' constant gaze and will What if we eventually become Terminus? That's more a joke crack theory tho So many funny ways they can take this
Apocalyptic shadow does gives some interesting stuff as well about finality and gets a faction name too with elegy ( the npc we talk to for the apocalyptic shadow) which is also interesting to look for
@@ladyhdwastaken yep i assume the all caps i for people not to be confused with when we're talking singular or plural, singular being normal and plural being capital
You know, the remembrance and finality are close, my opinion, but black swan talked about how we move into the past too, and about how there is more than 1 destiny to choose, the same things we know from elio, who is supposedly following finality
I don't think the comparison with Destruction actually works that way in the grand scheme of things(at least at this scale) considering how Elegy put it... even Destruction will destroy itself as it is also subject to Finality. The end is a new beginning, but only when there is a will remaining to start anew. Nanook likely doesn't want that, but he's not the arbitrator of the universe's opinions... so Finality gives the past a choice to recontextualize the ending. Terminus is called the Shapeless Prince probably because the future isn't set in stone yet. We don't truly know what our end(Terminus) looks like until we get there... but we will inevitably get there so it comes down to what Acheron told Aventurine. Until the end comes, there are many thing you can do in your journey... and because of it the End(Terminus) will reveal a completely different meaning. That's probably the one most important piece of HI3 that Penacony wanted to bring to us in Star Rail.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Nanook, as the Aeon of Destruction sees creation as a mistake and wants to destroy everything. That's their Primum Mobile. Yes, they will destroy as long as there's something to destroy. I'm just saying the universe(and its population) isn't obligated to let them get their way. If the assumption is that Elio's ability to see possible futures come from the Path of Finality, than it stands to reason that Finality covers all of those possibilities. After all, why would Elio see things the Finality cannot if that's where his scripts come from ? Just how it sounds like from the dialogue with Elegy, Finality is paradoxical. There is a certainty in there being a final stop, but not the details of the outcome or what meaning it has for those involved. There is certainty in the Aeon of Finality existing, but if it actually comes from the -future- that means it -hasn't- actually ascended right now. So... Terminus may be like a ghost of future possibilities leaving vague prophecies that you can only hear or make sense of if they're relevant or close to happening. It encompasses multiple routes that lead to different iterations of itself and uses the history of those routes to nudge mortals into a more ideal Finality. The closer you get to the point of Finality, the number of possibilities dwindle.
It seems that you forgot an important thing: during 2.2 quest, Firefly says that Elio's future predictions are bound to *certain* stellarons (no idea what's so special about such stellarons), and that the main character with the stellaron up their butt lift that restriction (somehow). So yeah that sh*t is even weirder than it looks. Well, Herta said that stellarons can take a path, and maybe such stellarons "follow" Finality? It's weird. I don't understand any of that.
She say that Elio used to predict more especific or certain futures when they worked to get the stellarons, but after they wake the trailblazer the predictions became more open or more easy to diverge thanks to the choices of the trailblazer
