Do this FIRST - How to Backup Synology NAS to USB Hard Drive (Hyperbackup) 

Me too. :) Corrected!

That’s a really good solution and I might adopt it.

Hi there, sounds very interesting. Could you please share the details of your setup. Thanks

What bare drive enclosure do you have?

I agree on the USB copy option very simple to go through .a question though considering you have large amount of data to backup does USB copy support backup compression . it wont make a difference for simple word files etc but say a 4k HD blu ray??

@@sleepingwonder USB Copy doesn't offer any compression options. Instead, it backs up as fast as possible. Even if compression were available, it would do you no good at all with the sorts of files you mention. I just ran 7ZIP on a 43.2Gbb BD .ISO Rip. It took my 4c/8T 3300X CPU on my PC 43 minutes and ended up with zero compression achieved. So, a total waste of resources to try compressing a ripped BD or 4K UHD file. You're best bet is to go invest in a high capacity external drive and not concern yourself with compression, especially given the nature of the files you intend to backup. Hope this helps :)

I found exFAT to cause issues with permissions if you have the default admin account disabled, would advise against using and instead go EXT4.

You would need to use hyerbackup multi version and then restore it to a NAS. If you are going to do this, make a separate task with only like 2 versions on it, Time Machine is a bit of a Pain

I suspect that's the $1m question we're all thinking.

Yes! You will just need to enable / disable schedule on the other one

Yes

You can just encrypt the backup in hyperbackup!

Unfortunately the advice to use exFAT is somewhat misguided. Search up "why is exFAT bad" and you'll find endless reasons why it's not a good format. EXT4 is far superior, or if you'd still like the compatibility with Mac then definitely use HFS+ (macOS Journaled). Just plug the drive into your Mac, reformat for HFS+, and restart the backups. exFAT is perhaps the worst drive format to use for backups, it's only really good as a shuttle drive if you're transferring between Mac and Windows. HFS+ will keep your data much safer, the only downside being you can't natively read it on Windows, which isn't that big a deal anyway (or just install a tool to read HFS+ drives). You're much more likely to lose data with exFAT than to be forced to read the drive on Windows.

I bought a secondhand DS120J exactly for this, it was only £60 so I thought why not. I have 3x8TB drives in my main NAS, and ordered a secondhand 12TB drive for the DS120J - I only have 8TB data right now, and I'm short on money, so 12TB offsite is enough for the time being. I haven't set it up yet but I've been testing it and so far the DS120J runs great aside from being fairly slow to transfer things, especially with USB 2.0 ports. I went with the DS120J as a stop gap until I upgrade my NAS, otherwise I'd get something better like a DS124 or a DS118+ which both have more RAM and USB 3.0 (I mean for plain file storage, the DS120J is just fine). The DS120J being EXT4 is far better than exFAT. In fact, don't use exFAT for this, a quick search for "why is exFAT bad" will bring up countless results explaining why not to use it. It's perhaps the worst format to use in a backup drive. With EXT4, you can get a 3.5" external USB enclosure and plug the drive directly into a NAS and read from it. I tested it, and it's read only, but it means you can read directly from it if you need to recover data (Something you can't do in a RAID/SHR array). So, this'll be my offsite backup, and if things go wrong then I'll just retrieve the drive and plug it directly into another NAS. I also have my onsite Hyper Backup like this tutorial.

No, the closest you can get it to use something like Synology Drive and sync them to your computer

I’m curious on the answer here too. I have an 1821 which would require multiple external hdds for backup

1/ Decide if you need to back up ALL data 2/ If the backup of all data would exceed the external drive capacity, you’ll need to have multiple drives and do so by backing up some folders to one and others to the other drive.

Most likely yes. If you want to be extra safe, unplug the hard drive between backups, this is known as an "air gap" and prevents the drive from getting damaged from things like power surges, problems with the NAS, or some sort of ransomware from the Internet. And if you want to be even more safe, don't format the drive in exFAT, use either EXT4 (Linux), HFS+ (Mac), or NTFS (Windows) depending on your operating system. If you're already using exFAT, I highly recommend you reformat the drive and start the backups again. Just look up "why is exFAT bad" and you'll see why, it's perhaps the worst drive format for back ups!

In that case I would look at the single version with HB. Mostly because if you want multiple folders, you can just add them without creating a new task

Most of what I backup to external drives is done using usb copy because usually I want a pure mirror.

This is covered in another video 👍

But I don't think "usb copy" can do the same versioning thing... looks like the multi version option it has duplicates all the data instead of doing it intellegently.

Yeah! Keeps it easy to run every day

As long as you have 3 GOOD copies no worries!

You can use a 2 way sync with Synology Drive

@@SpaceRexWill I will look into that. Thanks.

For the money, the value of the external drive is so much better. But if you have a bunch of money (or need a really big backup) a NAS will always be better, just at a cost

I would go for the second NAS ( I'm biased because that's what I do ). And, you can do snapshots on the other NAS as well. One more benefit is, depending on how you do your backups, if your main NAS had a catastrophic failure, you might be able to switch to the backup NAS and hardly skip a beat.

@@DavidM2002 There are more advantages of going for a second NAS. In the video it mentioned that Hyperbackup can only write a backup task to a single harddrive, but what do you do then when your external harddrive is full? In a two bay NAS you can then insert a second harddrive and you are good to go again.

@@jasperverkroost You won't get an argument from me on a second NAS. I have 3.

I bought a 22TB NAS drive, and put it inside a SATA to USB Sabrent adapter. NAS drives are rated for more cycles.

If you configure the task in Mirroring mode, the files will be deleted from the destination.

So with BTRFS and scrubbing you are protected from bit rot with all RAIDS. This is because BTRFS will add an additional checksum that you can use to fix bit rot, even with a single drive

There is not

No clue! Haven’t found the right power supply. I think it was a 5V

​@@SpaceRexWill😂

Exfat has read/write for MacOS and all Linux distros (albeit some modification of the distro, such as Exfat Access on DSM). NTFS is read only on MacOS and some Linux distros. If you're a pure Windows user and all potential users of the drive are the same, NTFS will work fine. If anyone who touches it may be using MacOS or one of those limited Linux distros, then you'll want to use exfat.

Additionally, I do get a caution upon connecting the USB drive to the MacBook that says this USB drive cannot be repaired but that I would still be able to copy and paste files, just not modify them. It also cautions that I should backup and reformat the drive ASAP.

@@rockertwins1214 Your drive is very likely faulty, and you'll need to replace it because it will die or create problems with the backups themselves (which means, you don't have backups). Went through something like this a few months ago, lost 800Go of important files 😢 (that's actually the whole reason I bought a NAS)

my main TrueNAS is backed up to the second one as well as to third one - nothing is better than snapshots replicas ;-)

@@zyghom my good was initial setup of Synology I chose JBOD 🤦‍♂️ I just need to copy data make sure it's secure working then wipe Synology make it as many HDDs back as can afford to lose then I'll have no real issues until 8K becomes mainstream video 🤣

I actually dont see SHA as a backup, as a delete on one, is immediately synced to the other

ExFAT - It works on Mac, windows and Linux

Sure. I understand that, but wouldn’t you normally restore either a snapshot or a full back up to the Synology? Wouldn’t a restoration with EXT4 go faster?

Appreciate your reply. Thank you

@@JerryZigmontMacWorksit’s to ensure you can easily get at the backup using tools on another system in case the synology is no longer functioning. Synology has a tool for the desktop that allows you to use the backups on your desktop.

Obviously you could do this on Linux and bobs your uncle but not everyone knows Linux.

The thing is it doesn’t matter too much. It should be quick after the first backup

this is an old drive I use for videos....

@@SpaceRexWill I watched the video and listened to your IMO nonchalant response to blowing up your drive so it was unnecessary to repeat yourself. You heard me but did not listen so I’ll reframe this. Your rate, per your website, is $250 dollars per hour times 2,080 man hours a year which is $520,000 dollars a calendar year. So as the expert making ½ million a year you don’t have 45 seconds to read the amps and voltage on the device and adapter to verify they match? OK, got it. According to you it’s just an “old drive”… No, it is a drive you plugged in without taking 45 seconds that a $50K dollar Tech would have inherently done then chose to show it to everyone. Perhaps you can “splain” that to me or do I have to purchase consulting time for that. My logic says the service level should be 10x the value of the average Tech but what do I know. You also stated that the WD Elements drive is a great solution and you even have it on rack mounted NAS machines. That drive IMO is a horrible solution, I would only buy one to shuck the drive and even then I wouldn’t do it because it might be a SMR drive. There is no fan, no RAID and easy knock over which you failed to address. Do you think Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. are using backup solutions with no fans? No RAID? That they just stick it on top of the rack? IMO if you are going to charge top tier rates the solutions would reflect that, see below. I will frame the WD drive for you as well. Here are the $520,000 dollar questions. What WD HDD drive did you buy and just recommend? WD White, Green, Blue, Black, Red, Gold, or Purple? What type is it? Shingled, Hybrid or Magnetic? SMR, PMR, CMR? 5,400 RPM 7,200 RPM. How many TB is needed? How many platters will it have? What is the Workload Rate Limit (WRL), Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF), Annualized Failure Rate (AFR), What is the warranty of the drive 1 yr, 3 yr or 5 yr? Why do you have a Seagate recommendation link but in the video recommend the WD? What exact specifications did you base your recommendation on? And how are you able to recommend a disaster recovery drive when WD does not define what the product actually is and will vary within its own product line? Based on the documentation I read, the drive you recommended has a 1 year warranty. Do you know why it is limited to 1 year? Why are you advising customers to get a 1 year warranty solution instead of a drive that has a 5 year warranty when the cost between those two solutions are marginal? Isn’t the idea of DRP to have a long term solution that is sound and trustworthy? Let make up some quick math on it. If the 5 yr solution is double the cost say $200 and the 1 year is $100 but you will need to replace it 5X making the decision $200 versus $500. How does that make economic sense? Let’s say the drive fails at 3 year mark, you send it in now you have a 6 year solution for less than the 1 yr times 5 idea. I am failing to understand the value provided by the WD Elements solution model that you are seeing with it. I am going to pretend I am a $520K tech, using real numbers, your solution is $290 per unit times 5, as it has 1 year life, so $1,450. Choosing the drive you linked on the page I can get a Seagate IronWolf Pro with a 3 year data rescue plan and a 5 year warranty for $314. I pair it to a QNAP TS-004 for $220 with a fan, RAID, exFat, 4 bays not 1 so expandable, and a 2 year warranty that can be upgraded to a 5 year. Minimum cost $534 vs your $1,450. Looks to me like the WD solution is 3x the cost to me and doesn't seem to me to satisfy the requirements for a disaster recovery solution. Scratching head here… Please tell me that you have something more, Will. Please tell me that the $520K Tech hasn’t pinned everyone’s professional backup solution on a WD hard drive that you haven’t even looked at.