Do university rankings matter? | Hiroshi Ono | TEDxOtemachiED 

Not necessarily

not really, there are so many amazing colleges that are not in the QS Top 100 in fact better

@@ahmedhussein223 yes it will, it will be way easier for you to get relevant experiences that facilitate job search and also you have a network of alumni support

Also depends on the region, in Europe employers don't care as long as you meet the requirements, previous work experience is much more important

In the UK they could care less as long as you meet the ballpark requirements. What makes the difference here is your side projects/experience relevant to the job roles themselves.

life saver, thanks

Open a company

No they don’t, any employer that’s eliminating profiles based on university name rather than course subjects that match background required for doing the job is a company setup for failure, that’s a company you don’t want to work for. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work hard to show signal, but make sure you’re showing those signals to the right employer.

Thank you!

@@everyday_enthusiast Tell that to investment banks

In Germany it is not that important and still there are some rankings on the internet.

At least in some countries it doesn't matter.

@@joefisher1587 exactly my point......and possibly not some....but many

Its part of branding, these days everything is about business, including education too... And everyone tries to show they are the best... Somehow we can ask similar questions but we didnt...Why we advertise fast food if its not good for health.

@@secretsoul6882 are you seriously comparing educational university ranking with fastfood? LOL

What does this mean

Right 👍 ,a person who has passion never stop dreaming about self improvement and that is what really matter and it's a great characteristic that makes you a better candidate I believe

This is the right attitude in a PERFECT world. Unfortunately, this is the REAL world.

Yes! I have also found that the school of your highest-level degree is the most important. Don't worry about your BA; worry about your PhD.

@@leenshammout2284 Always. If you're not teachable, then I don't want to work with you.

This is absolutely true !

but isn't it because of the quality of education that they rank?

@@yikuanwu5887 I can't tell you every way a uni is ranked, but there is more to it then just quality of education though it does play a part. Accreditation is extremely important for some careers. A good example is becoming a psychologist or teacher (at least in AUS) Reqiures you do courses that are accredited, doesn't matter how good the quality of education is. If it isn't accredited it is useless. I don't see why so much emphasis is based on the college you went to. Thankfully I believe it is a bit different in AUS where each university is extremely accessible.

I'll use NYU as an example: In the late 90's, NYU spent boatloads of cash to try and market itself as the newer, more artistic, hipper school. It courted the Olsen twins and a host of other celebs. I'm sure its "ranking" skyrocketed as a result. Has the quality of education improved drastically over the past twenty years? Did alumni of earlier eras (including my family) get a lesser education? Highly unlikely.

@@yikuanwu5887 absolutely not

Depending on your industry, anything below a PhD is insufficient.

Agreed. Besides, people are forgetting that there's a lot more to uni admissions than just academics/talent. The applications' review process itself is kinda screwed - too many applications coming in at Ivys, little amount of time to review and holistically judge them all - errors are bound to happen every now and then. And yeah, you're much, more likely to make it into an Ivy if you're good at sports and your parents donate heartily to the institute, than if you're just good at studies.

Well despite the fact that it is certainly true that an MIT student is not necessarily more intelligent than an average university student, I have well noticed that top school students are generally more enlightened than average university students. However, this obviously does not mean that we should assume anyone’s intelligence based on their universities. In my case, some of the most brilliant friends I have from high school are attending universities below the top 50s. One friend of mine that applied to Cambridge with me was accepted by LSE, Warwick, and UCL - she rejected them and stayed in her home country. Another friend of mine almost had perfect score in high school was rejected from Imperial College (nobody knew why) so instead went to study to a less known and more affordable university. I consider both these friends much more deserving of attending a top university that I am, yet it’s me the one who is actually attending one. This made me realize that so many brilliant students can be found in any university. However, it also made me realize how selective most of these schools are and, albeit many students get in for wrong reasons, most of the students in these places have beaten their asses to get into a top university and are so driven and talented, which cannot be said from most students in general.

I couldn't agree more. Your future matters infinitely more than your past.

True. I also think that students who are high academic achievers will do well no matter what university they go to.

@@alexanderjiang2941 Curious. I find no mention of undergrads getting anything remotely like this at the MIT website. And 12 month stipends for grad students are less than half that. You wouldn't care to post an authoritative citation woudl you?

Well, McGill is now no. 1 as per the recent QS ranking.

​@@souravmukherjee4987McGill spends an insane amount on research and is research focused from top down. Their chancellor is a renowned scientist.

Haha, i see the Jobs in there😅

India is no exception. Some exceptional universities don't take part in rankings and people don't even know they exist.

@@brawnstein well india is different, even their top ranked uni are moderately good at best. So comapring it with Japan or Korea or Singapore or the US is absurd.

Come to india my friend 😂

I swear some indians who go to Japan/Korea/Singapore because "india's education system is brutal" are funny af most asian countries are brutal when comes to education, extremely depressive, Europe or English speaking countries anyday.

That's true

That’s not to say that there is a huge difference in USNWR 1 versus USNWR 100. There are many positive reasons for a student to choose any of them. The difference within the university is more significant than the differences between the universities.

what ist the standard of uni ranking ?

They were prepared for it by their good universities

@Gautam Buddha both of them are public U.

@Mr Dialect... no they're not. Vanderbilt is private.

@@pdiddyprof oops, I got it wrong.

What people outside of the US have or haven't heard does not matter lmao

@@kosyudochukwu1414 except it does, because it’s an excellent mark of the perceived “prestige” of that school. Almost everyone around the world KNOWS MIT is the best. Without researching the courses, the professors, the resources available, everyone “knows” this. That’s the brand MIT has built for itself, and being associated with that brand is a valuable currency in our society.

Imperial? Yes the job market is brutal...

@@AppleTech90 isnt imperial 1st in uk for employability

You have MSc

@@AppleTech90 No, I studied at UCL.

​@@em8136 Imperial has a fantastic reputation, outstanding research, etc. It is surely advantageous to have Oxbridge, Imperial, UCL, KCL or other recognised universities on your CV. However if there are 50+ applicants for one position, perhaps 10 of them with a distinction from a top-tier university, you can imagine that it is tough to get an offer at the end of the day. Some so called "entry-level" jobs even require a few years experience in the industry. Quite recently, I came across someone who graduated in physics from oxford and as far as I remember he said that he got 5 offers out of 70+ applications.

We need to also stop monetizing the value of education. Students need space to learn something new and not just follow a proposed track that will supposedly earn them money. THAT's how you become a better student both in the classroom and on the job.

Life is what you make of it.

Amen!

And our society is worse off for it.

That's totally real. The same social phenom happens in LATAM.

@@aaronsosaramos6976 I guess educational prestige especially matters in developing countries because education is viewed as a “key” to socioeconomic mobility. In many developed (Western) countries, it doesn’t really matter as long as alternatives exist. Keep in mind that they’re “different” forms of privilege.

@@PinkNintendoDuo87 that's so sad an true, I live in latin america, and this specially sucks

@Aaron NoneYa I totally agree, only recently have I realized how important it is to go to a fancy private/boarding school, be in these elite circles so that you can learn more about how to get into fancy universities and be influenced by your peers. I guess its unfair for those with a humble background, but arent they ultimately recruiting for rich ppl anyways

It’s really not an exact science. Most people going to the big name schools, Ivy League, grew up with very privileged backgrounds. They had tutors, went to the best private schools, and their parents had a lot of money. Compare that to the average kid in public schools with parents who can’t afford things like tutors. It’s not an even playing field. A lot of what goes into a successful life begins with the situation a kid grows up in, and they have no control over that.

Natural selection at it's best

@@FS-me8mj just curious, how our parents generation got millions of people who never attend a college or university, but they end up at a wealthy class? Meanwhile, a lot of MBA and PhD end up unemployed or retired as middle - low class? My father got PhD and he was never got a wealthy moment in his life, which certainly disappoints him forever

Yes. We have created a 'monster' in higher education. Totally unhealthy in so many ways.

what would you say about competitions between students themselves?

competition created by system@@I_am_FRANCO

When the job market isn't that great, experience will be much harder to get if your university doesn't provide you that competitive advantage. But yes, experience is better.

Amen!

Decade? Dude, a year.

Can you link the source here ?

Actually, there's an inverse relationship in my experience between status and rigor.

It also likely required a wealthy background, legacy, and possibly even major donations to the school in some cases. There are also people getting into those unis who reject their offers due to cost.

It matters in South Asia though its the same MBBS :')

Unfortunately, it actually does, at least in more academic programs. I’ve been on residency application committees where the faculty will look less favorably on applicants from less prestigious schools. As a graduate from a small state medical school, I did my part to remind them of that fact and I still excelled in the program.

@@dwc511 I'm assuming you are from the USA, it's a shame that something so trivial matters over there. Here in the UK, all medical schools are run by the GMC (general medical council) so regardless of if you went to a pretigious medical school like Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial etc or a newer less established one, you will still be seen as the same. What matters here in the UK is how you performed at medical school as opposed to which one you went to.

I'm guessing his research focuses on Japan and/or Asia (Update: the research he cites I believe is cited in the book Pedigree by Lauren Rivera from 2015) . I haven't heard of anyone being asked about grades in the US (Update: although I cite a NACE survey quoted in Forbes lower in this thread, which seems to support his assertion.) To be fair, it's still worth noting that getting good grades is important to potentially internships and grad school (including law school and MBAs). Not to mention, the concepts themselves help shape your career trajectory, along with the skills learned along the way.

@@nathanketsdever3150 I have - not to your face, but I have come across this question usually just “GPA” - quite a few times in certain job applications. always the large conglomerates or fancy consulting firms (or trying to appear as one of the above), of course.

"Hurrah! Hurrah!"

I would say the top percent at elite places clearly outperform...but the average elite student versus top of the class community college students for example are about the same. The difference would just come down to networking and connections for their future, but for baseline education they're probably the same. Besides that, I think all top 50 US university educations are comparable.

Its true. In Korea, the college rankings are nearly everything to assess an applicant.

In india it does matter, the FAANG mostly comes to IITs for placement. (P.s. I'm not saying that anyone from other colleges in india hasn't joined FAANG )

@rishi pael he wasn't from iit, I agree but he had a MBA degree from university of Chicago (9th in US qs ranking). I'm not saying that only the university matters for the development of career but it matters while looking for job. An average person from a good university has a better chance of getting a job sooner than someone from a lower ranking uni

IITs are the universities which represent india in international..... so it does matter if you are from IIT or Other college..... what ever you want to do IIT will help you ease your dream with placements all tier-1 colleges are same but when it comes to reputation, funding, research and entrepreneurship IITians have an edge over it, even if you want to study in ivy league universities IIT tag can make a difference.

You sound like a great student.

How many Unis offer development as a degree? Seems to suffer from small sample bias...

@@willbackwell6229 Not that many at undergrad level, but quite a lot at postgrad

what is development?

Yeah Im a uk student jobs literally state they want Russel uni students only which is crazy

@@abz7800 not crazy. They want the best. OXBRIDGE, EDINBURGH, YORK, DURHAM, BRISTOL, Warwick, etc

@@abz7800 too many people going to university so need to be selective

@@dac8939 yeah I know there’s so many Graduates getting into a good uni is better than getting a first in your degree it’s harder to get uni a good undergrad than graduate