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He really didn’t though lol. He always says he can point out the facts where RCC is wrong but he never actually says what it is. Always super vague.

@@orangemanbadyes he’s going to point out where RCC is wrong in a 5 min video. If only he had decades of debates and hundreds of long videos on the topic. Aw shucks.

@@KnightFel yes and he has lost every single one.

AMEN

*I love & respect the early church fathers, but it is God alone who I put my faith & my salvation in, not them.* *I pray that the Catholics can know the true love, grace, salvation & mercy of the one true living God.* It's through the Early Church, and the Church generally, you know anything about God at all. Moreover, if you have true love from White's god, that love is a joke. Grace and salvation only count if it comes from whence it is supposed to. Barring that, you have no Grace in any meaningful way.

@@thepalegalilean I respectfully disagree, I know God through His scriptures. Which He revealed to us & fulfilled to us through His Son, Jesus. Whilst I love & respect the early Church fathers, they have nowhere near the level of authority to which the word of God does.. Man is corrupt & fallen as he has ever been, but it is not "whites god" who i worship, it is God. THE God, the one, true, eternal, living God who I worship. Whilst that may be the same God who James worships, it is not God made in James' image, it is James & I made in His image, forever gratefully so.

@@regenerated4life That really doesn't matter. They are excellent commentators of it. And when they are deriving beliefs from Scripture itself that you reject, that's a problem if you care about historical continuity with Christ.

@@regenerated4life My dude that's called subjectivity.

@@regenerated4life No misty. These are students of the apostles. They have a tacit historical connection to christ. If you care about christianity as historically continuous with christ, and you care about christ as a historical figure, then what these people wrote about christianity should be of concern. The fact that this isn't concerning to you is extremely telling on multiple levels.

I'm Orthodox, and yes we believe in the bodily assumption of the Theotokos after her Dormition.

I was gonna say- I’m not EOC, but I’m pretty sure they *do* affirm the bodily assumption of Mary

@@ravikeller9626 the difference is we EO celebrate the Dormition of the Theotokos (she reposed) then she was assumed bodily into heaven.

I would submit that the Gospels(scripture) themselves are the apostolic witness.

​@@mkplusultra4171how do you know your interpretation is accurate

@@shaunbailey6353how does anyone? Unless you use scripture to verify scripture. Cross references have been a thing for awhile now. Written word is always superior to the spoken. It’s the entire purpose of having the written word of God. It is much harder to deviate the written record than the spoken. This is an early principle. Hence why administrative affairs are done by written/typed correspondence. The telephone game we participated in as children is a prime example of this.

@@brianrich7828 Holy Tradition that has been carried on since the apostles

@@shaunbailey6353 Good thing we have the written record that demonstrates that’s not true. It would be different if they didn’t record over time their progression to where they are now. But they did. So, false.

He can’t. He’s tried. Orthodoxy remains triumphant

@@MetalByzantine You couldn't find salvation in the heterodox orthodox church with a pack of bloodhounds and a battalion of marines. Mary is not the mother of god. She is not most holy. She is not perpetually virgin. To call on her to save you is heresy. I speak from experience. Only Jesus Christ will save you. Not your church membership. Not your communion. Not your pedo-baptism. Only Jesus Christ and the blood he shed for the remission of your sins. You must be born again. Your gilded bibles you parade around and touch to your lips - you honor God with your mouth but your heart is far from him.

@@MetalByzantineIncorect, he has enough to discredit it as truly apostolic. He has also stated it is not his focus at this point in time.

@@tricord2939can you direct me to any place he’s addressed it like at all? I been looking for something from him for a WHILE. That’s the one thing I don’t see him talk about that I’ve been interested in here lately

@@tricord2939His video was basically a twenty minute documentary of James White saying he was clueless while trying not to admit he was clueless on the topic…

Not

Wait until you find out you’ve been lied to about Satan

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That’s why the modern church has apostacized, leaving the faith once and for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3).

@@IAmisMaster The Apostle Paul asked the question, "Is Christ divided?" According to modern-day standards, I believe Paul would be absolutely vexed and disappointed to learn that Christ has been so fragmented by the works of man.

Paul also said, "the traditions of men have made the word of God of no effect."

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@@richpeeps515that’s annoying. You know why? Because he wasn’t talking about Holy tradition. Look into Orthodoxy.

Amen! Catholics and Protestants are wrong on the topic. The faith was once for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3). It apparently did not include a canon list, so we ought not add one as a dogma of Christianity.

@@IAmisMastercringe

@@IAmisMaster Yes, and think about Jeremiah 31:33-34. It's supposed to represent the New Covenant, how it will work. Yet, in Christianity today, there are thousands of Pastors and Bishops telling everyone their take on the Law e.g. go to my church on Sunday. How did Matthew 28 not contradict Jeremiah 31? How does modern discipleship resemble Jeremiah 31:33-34?

Yep! No canon agreed upon until codified by Pope Damasus

Is there any way that God created the cannon??!! That he used men to compile exactly what He wanted in His book?? I think people are forgetting the sovereignty of God here.. the same God who spoke the universe into existence, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty does not have a problem preserving His word…

Read the letters of St Ignatius

This is a highlight… not the full video

@@kimberlyr5858 so? All the more responsibility on whoever is putting out these videos. Christians needs to come together, this is horrible stuff.

It’s okay for Christians to disagree with other Christians on matters of doctrine. If you can’t hear a critique without getting your feelings hurt you need to grow up.

I never said it wasn't@@Concetta20

im not even christian@@Concetta20

Immaculate conception is about Mary being free from sin. She didn’t have original sin and never sinned. This belief is derived from Jesus himself being the new covenant and Mary being the Ark of the New Covenant. Mary and Jesus is a direct parallel to the Ark of the Old Covenant. The ark was perfect and holy. This applies to Mary as she was the Ark of the New Covenant that is Jesus.

Jesus, as the ultimate mediator between God and man, needs to be fully divine and fully human. All have sinned, Romans says, and nowhere in Scripture does it clearly say that Mary never sinned, that I am aware of. That would have to be a theological presumption to fit a particular narrative, I am thinking. Would she still be fully human then for Jesus to be born fully human?

They believed the One God is the Father: “We believe in One God, the Father Almighty…AND IN (kai eis) One Lord, Jesus Christ…AND IN (kai eis) the Holy Spirit.” Eusebius of Ceserea was the leading bishop. Phillip Schaff’s book on the Creeds admits the Nicene Creed was based on Eusebius’ Creed, and Eusebius wrote plainly in Ecclesiastical Theology what the Nicene Creed meant in Greek: that the Father is the One God, and Jesus is “theos” (divine) and of the same substance because He shares His Father’s nature like a human son shares his father’s human nature. No one at the Council believed Jesus is the same God/entity/living being as the Father. No ante-Nicene Christian believed that. St. Irenaeus’ Proof of Apostolic Preaching, the oldest summary of the faith, says the One God is the Father and Jesus is God because of His nature, not because He is the same God as the Father (Irenaeus Proof of Apostolic Preaching pts 4-7 and 47).

@@regenerated4life “ousia.” Dr. Beau Branson has good work on ousia “substance” meaning what we woudl call “nature” in ancient Greek.

@@IAmisMaster hmm yea, I meant more so on the ideas of faith and stuff like that. I believe the saw jesus as god. Aruis used colossians 1 15 to support jesus was created where they said "blasphmey!" With changes there concluded with "of the same essence of the father" . I think I see where you are going with this though bc the history book I'm going off of says the Christians that worshipped jesus as god still had problems with this creed bc they felt it could mean that the son and father were somehow not distinct. Despite this only 2 overseers did not sign the creed.

@@regenerated4life No one sais Jesus is not God, but He is not the One God, which Scripture says is the Father alone (1 Corinthians 8:5-6; Ephesians 4:4-6).

@@regenerated4life Right, One God properly speaking, the Father Almighty. St. Irenaeus explains plainly the One God is the First Cause and Being with aseity, which is the Father alone (Proof of Apostolic Preaching pts 4-7). But there are other gods in different, lesser senses just as Jesus said plainly in John 10:33-36. Do you deny Jesus’ words?

Wrong Clement, lol.

@@misse8787 How do you know Eusebius was wrong?

Are you saved?

The word maybe didn't appear until then but most assuredly, the idea is very real and present in scripture. I'm reading through John right now and you can't read that book without the idea of the trinity being in your face.

Jude 3 says the faith was once for all deliverded.

You can’t even read 1 page of Genesis without being confronted by the Trinity.

Bad example because the trinity is everywhere in the Bible but Mary being without sin and purgatory not so much…. :/

Those would be local churches in the one whole Church. You forget that Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Ephesus, Corinth, Colossae, Thessaloniki, Rome, etc. were local churches in the one Church. Orthodoxy still has all but Rome from my list.

No it isn’t lmao imagine believing in papal infallibility, utter lunacy. The original church still stands strong and it’s not Roman Catholic, an actual Pagan cult.

@@MikeMarlowe-ym3zy then why do you believe the Catholic Bible? Yes you guys cut out 7 books 1300 years later to start your new religion but the entire book is based on “Roman Catholic paganism”. You’re in opposition to Christ please repent and meet our savior.

Jesus says call no man father (Matthew 23:9)

@@simeon2bheardPaul called himself father to the Corinthians. Read the verse in the KJV. Entirely other meaning.

What an uneducated take. If Rome has a false gospel, Then rome is a litmus test to determine you deftly don't have that correct one.

Daily reminder that Luther and Calvin’s false gospel of the 16th century also has nothing to do with the gospel John the Baptist, Jesus, and the Apostles preached.

@thepalegalilean the Papacy is illegitimate, Papal Infallibility is a heresy. The bodily assumption of Mary is not Biblical, Mary's sinlessness is not Biblical, Catholics claim to not worship her, but I worked at a Catholic School and sat through Mass and it was straight idolatry of Mary. Purgatory is not in Scripture, the Alter Christus Priesthood is blasphemous, Paul teaches that it was Abraham's faith that justified him, Paul makes it clear that we can bring no work to the table that saves they are only evidence of salvation, Rome teaches you can't even know you're saved....in short: False gospel and Rome is anathema until she corrects her errors which Vatican II showed isn't happening. I don't know how any RC can take Francis seriously at this point.

@@firingallcylinders2949 *the Papacy is illegitimate,* Completely irrelevant. *Papal Infallibility is a heresy.* Completely irrelevant. *The bodily assumption of Mary is not Biblical, Mary's sinlessness is not Biblical, Catholics claim to not worship her, but I worked at a Catholic School and sat through Mass and it was straight idolatry of Mary.* At least we both now know you have no idea what constitutes idolatry, but again, completely irrelevant. *Purgatory is not in Scripture, the Alter Christus Priesthood is blasphemous, Paul teaches that it was Abraham's faith that justified him, Paul makes it clear that we can bring no work to the table that saves they are only evidence of salvation, Rome teaches you can't even know you're saved* At least we both now know you don't actually know, care about, or even understand the basics of Rome's soteriology, but gain, completely and utterly irrelevant. I'm beginning to sense a tend here, are you? *in short: False gospel and Rome is anathema until she corrects her errors which Vatican II showed isn't happening. I don't know how any RC can take Francis seriously at this point.* It's easy to take Francis seriously when you don't assume the rebellion of a 16th century heretical priest with severe afflictions dealt by childhood neglect and trauma. As to your claims of 'false gospel', WHAT IS THAT? This is the only portion of your comment that actually somewhat, sort of, but not really addresses the issue, and you're still abysmally short of actually defining it. So, I'll ask again. What is THE GOSPEL? And I'll give you a hint out of charity. If Rome has a false Gospel, there's no way you have the correct one.

You are borrowing from the scripture we gave you. Pope Damasus codified the canon at the Council of Rome.

Wow. What a world you live in that you think that because the most ancient group of Christians disagreed with your theology in extremely significant ways, IT MUST BE because they were actually heretics. The mental gymnastics here are absolutely Olympian.

@@thepalegalilean The fact that you address "my theology" means you don't understand my point of what Saving Faith is... and that's profoundly disconcerting.

@@mr3817 Saving faith is being in conformity to the will of Christ. That's not you. You and your theology embody chaos, not anything capable of saving.

@@thepalegalilean wow you are one messed up religious person... also you yourself don't understand saving faith because you stated a False "theological" definition...

@@thepalegalilean The fact that you attack, with Zero understanding and zero logical basis, means you have a mental disorder. You gaslight my comment, create a strawman and then attack. You have a serious problem.

Stop spamming this. Catholicism is apostasy

​@@Isaiah-ft5nxnice cope

It’s so weird seeing comments like this. Roman Catholics say the same thing

You miss the point of total depravity and that man is the under bondage of sin. If we are merely quoting verses out of context then I'll use this: Proverbs 16:4 (KJV) The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Proverbs 16:9 (KJV) A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps. The consequence of what you process to believe about God leaves him _reacting_ to man and not as _sovereign_ over his own creation. In other words, man shapes the world and not God, which is ancient Greek philosophy regarding the demiurge and later Kantian philosophy. Just because we sinners do not do what God commands does not mean it's not his purpose. He is the potter, is he not? I've yet to see any clay form itself.

Calvinism makes God sound like a mad man, like a crazy man in an insane asylum creating humans with the purpose of saving some and burning some forever for fun. Calvinist Jeff Durbin is on record saying babies that died are now burning in Hell. Calvinism is garbage, the early church fathers never believed in faith alone, once saved always saved, total depravity or any of the other man-made doctrines John that Martin Luther and John Calvin invented. Salvation is by having the faith of Jesus and keeping the commandments of God, read Rev 14:12.

Regarding the "heresies" of Calvin, please explain John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His Name: who were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God. Eph 1:4-5 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, (5) having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, ACCORDING TO HIS GOOD PLEASURE AND WILL. I don't believe any man, of there own will or works could put their own name in the Book of Life. Phil 4:3, Rev 3:5, Rev 13:18 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in The Book of Life of The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 17:8 and all those who dwell on the earth will marvel, who's names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world. Eph has many similar passages.

John 6:37 [37] All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

John 6:40 [40] For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 6:44 [44] No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:45 [45] It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me-

The Trinity is entirely Biblical

The grass roots as in orthodoxy, the original church

So God has to do exactly what you want him to do under your own understanding and expectations in order to show he is real. Ok.

@@Dan_Capone "So God has to do exactly what you want him to do" No. And that is the point. God (as you describe It) can do much better than what I can, and yet It doesn't. So, how can my eternal soul be so harshly judged by a God who can do better but doesn't?

@@francmittelo6731 According to who he can do better? according to you. You're the arbiter of this situation. He has performed below your expectations so apparently he has failed all of humanity. I never thought I would be talking to such an important human being on RU-vid of all places.

@@Dan_Capone "According to who he can do better? according to you." Don't you believe in a god who is omniscient and omnipotent? If your god is not maximally powerful and all knowing, then my comments are not directed at you.

@@francmittelo6731 That's not the issue. You're saying that God should jump through your hoop like a trained puppy or otherwise he fails as God. That's illogical and faulty reasoning.

True. We admit where they departed from scripture and why, though. Rome also laughably doesn't even come close to following the early church.

@@Michael_Chandler_Keaton correct. Return to Orthodoxy.

Neither do you. The early church were pacifists.

Not in everything. That's the fundamental strawman of the Reformation. Because you and your groups embody absolute theological chaos, you HAVE to assume that the Church Jesus created was also total anarchy. But that's not the case. You may have diversity of thought in the Early Church, but there are many things they held in kind. Such as meriting further salvation, baptismal regeneration, True Presence of the Eucharist, the Eucharist as a sacrifice, Jesus being the object of Faith, among others. These were accepted universally in the Early Church and there's very few Protestants that accept all or even one of these.

Irenaeus said otherwise: “The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: [She believes] in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His [future] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father to gather all things in one, Ephesians 1:10 and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess Philippians 2:10-11 to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send spiritual wickednesses, Ephesians 6:12 and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory. As I have already observed, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although scattered throughout the whole world, yet, as if occupying but one house, carefully preserves it. She also believes these points [of doctrine] just as if she had but one soul, and one and the same heart, and she proclaims them, and teaches them, and hands them down, with perfect harmony, as if she possessed only one mouth. For, although the languages of the world are dissimilar, yet the import of the tradition is one and the same. For the Churches which have been planted in Germany do not believe or hand down anything different, nor do those in Spain, nor those in Gaul, nor those in the East, nor those in Egypt, nor those in Libya, nor those which have been established in the central regions of the world. But as the sun, that creature of God, is one and the same throughout the whole world, so also the preaching of the truth shines everywhere, and enlightens all men that are willing to come to a knowledge of the truth. Nor will any one of the rulers in the Churches, however highly gifted he may be in point of eloquence, teach doctrines different from these (for no one is greater than the Master); nor, on the other hand, will he who is deficient in power of expression inflict injury on the tradition. For the faith being ever one and the same, neither does one who is able at great length to discourse regarding it, make any addition to it, nor does one, who can say but little diminish it.” - Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 1, ch. 10 (circa AD 180). Heretics love to claim diversity from the beginjing, because it is easier to pass on their heresy. Calvinists love it so they can crown Calvin as their doctrina measiah, even though he changed Christian doctrine with novel twistings of Scripture not one Christian believed for thousands of years.

@@regenerated4life Literally every Church Father, and Christian authority since, and even Luther. Only from Calvin onwards did this change.

Diversity still exists with literally thousands of Protestant denominations.

@@thepalegalileanCan you tell the truth if you want to?

@@regenerated4life answer my questions

@@regenerated4life I'll answer your question after you answer mine. 😉

@@regenerated4life it does matter who created and formulated the doctrine of the trinity. I'm waiting for an answer. At least you say that Jesus is the revelation of God and not the false doctrine of the trinity

@@regenerated4life that's a lie. God never stated that his doctrine is a trinity. He said that he's an absolute numerical one. That doesn't answer the 1st question either. Jesus is the manifestation and personification of God the Father.

@@regenerated4life Jesus is our example in all things. As a man, he prayed, got hungry and thirsty. As God, he walked on water, healed the sick and cast out demons. Jesus denied the trinity and said that he is one with the Father and never a 3rd person

It didn't evolve to good places. Jesus said love God and love your neighbor. Nowadays people are just doing rituals.

What are you a Mormon? You don’t alter the gospel. It doesn’t “evolve.” Heresy