kindergarten entertainment for the rich. there is nothing cooler than flying saucers yet and it is pointless to wait for them, they will never let you do it. greed and lust for power will always be on top. brace yourself.
I don't think they can succeed because of their design. Lilium have more efficiency with much better design. They use DEVT jet engines with advantages in payload, aerodynamic efficiency and a lower noise profile.
they ll get quieter over time, we already have propeller designs that are much quieter and efficient. It’s just a matter of time. It will be rich people who dont like to commute but have big houses outside city. It would have way lower maintenance cost and easier to fly or automate hence quite cheap to fly and maintain.
Air taxis will be too loud to land often anywhere but airports. Tech can't solve all problems. Jets got much quieter but still are loud. Adding a medium whine to occur all the time as 100s fly overhead would be awful. Awful.
I just doubt drones especially carrying people will work.... I admit some noise of drones can be muffled. But it's still too loud. . . . And needed landing area for big flying cars is big, so much wind, like a whole parking lot, but most houses don't have full parking lot. . . I wonder how many people will be hurt from air blast picking up sticks, or houses scratched from sticks..... . And crashes will happen.... When a small flying vehicle has issues it's often fatal.. ”""Most aviation deaths in 2020 took place during general aviation operations, where 332 were killed, compared to 414 the year before. The 2020 fatal accident rate in general aviation was 1.049 accidents per 100,000 flight hours, compared to 2019’s rate of 1.064.""""". This suggests if each vehicle flies 2000 hours a year, 1 in 50 will have deadly crash each year. If ten people are sharing a drone, each person commuting 1 hour a day, this means 1 in 500 chance of fatal crash from commuting by air each year. I'm serious, flying small vehicles is RISKY. Even if electric drones are 2x safer than small planes, this is 1/1000 chance of dying each year in flying vehicle used daily.. The odds of dying in car are 36,000 per 360m Americans, so 1/10,000. Small planes are carefully maintains, with total teardown and cleaning every 500 hours. A drone in air 2000 hours a year won't be immune from same maintenance and costs and medium risk of failure.. Even if have parachute they can land in middle of ground traffic and get run over, or land on a pedestrian..... Boy, future is hard to predict. Flying stuff seems a longshot. . Peace
I actually agree with him. Having individually piloted VTOLs all over the city would be a disaster. I think the only way it could work is if they were autopiloted.
Blade is a better bet IMO. They have an established business flying routes, and just would need to partner with a manufacturer if eVTOLs succeed. Their market cap right now is almost the same as their yearly revenue, they’re very undervalued and slept on. I own Archer and Joby, but I don’t think they’re going to beat a company that has been established for a decade or so in terms of civilian transportation. Joby and Archer have a better chance at contracts I think, that’s where the gamble is with them. They could become huge given the tech works and they get government and private contracts, but for those betting on civilian transport, they’re far behind a company like Blade who can just buy eVTOLs if they work.
@@DoggoWillink you are correct on Blade being an excellent with its current flying routes, but remember Joby and archer are Uber type investments for the common person blade is more upperclass . Personally I think u having all 3 is a solid choice and me I’m probably gonna look into blade but Joby is still leading with its marketing and market cap
@@UnidadFamiliarCristiana at the time I posted this I bought Joby at 3.35 per share and had about 4500 shares and sold last month I made almost a times 2 profit but if your still holding they just made a partnership with Dubai and a new prediction is the shares should jump up too 12.10 a share so if your still Holding ether sell now or than and you made a profit
Or maybe because of the literal list of reasons he just stated 😂 Imagine thousands (or hundreds of thousands if you're suggesting replacing cars) of personal helicopters flying around your town for a half a fucking second dude. Have you ever DRIVEN in a city? If so you know what a nightmare it is, and how unqualified half of the drivers out there are. Imagine that problem extended into 3D Like, how do you watch someone rationally explain why they don't think an idea will ever be mass implemented in its current state, and go "Ur jUst jeAlouS!" Like, seriously? Are you 12?
Man I’m a truck driver. I’m in traffic every day for 12hr. I’ve dreamed about VTOLs for years. I know so many people who would love to fly in and out to work over ground traffic. This will definitely change the game. If they have some affordable way for people to utilize their services, it’s a rap from there. I’m saving up to take helicopter classes just for this.
It’s true what he’s saying. Those are inherent practical issues. Uses will probably not be in wide application urban environments. But still great for other use cases
Granted i disagree with him here in regards to what he is saying, 😅 you forgot he is the only person who has a team that can successfully land rocket boosters back on earth. 😅😅😅 @@floydb9100
I don't agree with Musk. Helicopters are very expensive to operate, they burn a ton of gasoline, and flights may not be affordable to the average person, depending on your destination. For example, I wanted to travel from the city to my place upstate. Driving takes many hours due to traffic and there aren't any scheduled flights to the rural area I'm going to. So I looked up a helicopter charter and they want like $7000 to go to the small airport upstate near my destination. Flying cars would make it easier and affordable. The distance by air is only 145 miles in my case.
A. Honestly Joby is pretty quiet. WAY more quiet than a typical rotor, single or twin prop aircraft. B. I’ve been a pilot for nearly twenty years. In that time, we haven’t gotten any closer to “affordable” private air travel than we were when the Wright brothers flew, so this point is moot. The average person is not going to see any more VTOLs that they see helicopters currently. Stupid argument is stupid.
True. Though I believe they will be used far more often then helos. They are quieter as well. A huge part of the population lives in suburban areas so I think this whole thing is a great idea, for all places expect densely population cities like nyc. Yet they are testing them in manhattan so they can’t be so bad.
Not everyone likes Starlink with initial constellation target of some 4K LEO satellites. But, hey it works & there’s a market for it. Likewise, eVTOL’s have a niche transport role that must surely be encouraged. Someday, the tech will mature as well.
He actually has a point. Do you know how loud a drone is when it’s in the sky. Now imagine a giant drone. Imagine the wind it will produce and imagine it being electric. I bet I won’t ever get in one of those things. Hell I don’t even like helicopters. Ala Kobe Bryant. It’s not hate and if you flew a drone. He built a rocket you don’t think he could have jumped on the evtol market. Come on you have to be a complete clown to say he’s mad because he didn’t build one. Lmao!!!
I don’t want a street legal helicopter, because I don’t like flying just like Cus D’Amato didn’t like flying, I also hate helicopters after Kobe, and extortion 17, and the helicopter that was lost during the Red Wings mission in rescue of Marcus Luttrell, and any other great person that died in a helicopter or plane crash
@@TheRealTomahawk dont forget the super stealthy advance declassified black hawk helo that crashed during the raid of Osama Bin Laden compound in 2011.
@@rylanthompson5844The point of this is 0 carbon emissions, by redesigning the body and make them lighter for maximum efficiency, a battery powered helicopter wouldn't make it 20miles before battery runs out, so yes they are getting replaced soon.
@@robroninja There are people out there who is willing to pay for a 20 min helicopter ride, you think those people will not converted to EVOTL customers on subscription basis
Air taxis will happen before robotaxis. As it cuts out all the route complexity. And evtols have a solid backup safety tolerance. It will not just crash like propeller plans and helicopters do.
He's wrong and on this, number one is that helicopters are not practical for inner city commute Not to mention, there are noise reduction technology, what it is is, he doesn't want anything to interfere with his Tesla cars..
Elon Musk is NOT a clown! For one, the dude may have single-handedly saved free speech in America. Secondly, he is working very hard to make humanity an inter-planetary species. He is also absolutely correct regarding most VTOLS. However, at least one company seems to be dialing it in correctly. I'm placing my bets on Lilium.
totally wrong on this and Elon knows it. Engineering is a field with constant improvement, so to say the feasibility of something like eVTOL is not good because VTOL is loud and impracticle is making a decision about an industry based on it's current state, not on it's potential state. Tesla was built on the potential state of vehicle industry, not the state of vehicles when Tesla began.
Lilium sounds like an ocean wave with its shrouded, ducted - fan, not a chopper. And, once it's cruising above 2,000 feet AGL it will be hard to notice, especially conpared to the huge rotored devices like Archer that utilize mutilple large rotors (larger than the average light aircraft), making a Piper Cub sound like a church mouse. Lilium cracked it.
He's terribly wrong here. eVTOLS satisfy a sub-helicopter need and are based on a renewal energy source. That means they can expand to become a means to cover distances quickly and cheaply. That includes difficult, unsurfaced terrain too.
This guy is against this project, I Don't believe this guy , INSTEAD he wants to introduce his underground hyperloop , which might loose the track if AIRTAXI comes commercial
I think a standard number of EVTOLs for regional flights only within an hour commuting (via car) would be the most appropriate for the market. At least that’s what I think will probably occur given the technology today.
I don't think so .. he jas has valid points .. The high pitch sounds those blades put out would almost make your ears bleed ... theres a big difference between the chop of a helicopter blade spinning at 2500rpm and 8 smaller blades spinning at 50-60k ... It's like shooting a 45 vs a 9mm without ear protection.. the 45 has a low frequency and can be done without hurting your ears and deafening you ..The 9mm actually hurts your ears is painful and can deafen you for a minute or 2. Now , like he said , picture a sky full of these things Remember.. you cannot actually hear how loud these are in the video....
does it really need explaining that the reason he is against it is because he knows his company wont be able to produce a safe enough vehicle to be allowed to sell it?
Imagine if this Elon had told the younger Elon that VTOLs would be to loud to succeed…Younger Elon would just say “We will make them quieter…Yah” Older Elon what about the snow? Younger Elon We will reroute the battery coolant to heat sinks to warm affected equipment. Older Elon 🤷🏻♂️ What about things falling out of the sky??? Younger Elon that’s on you bro, it was your job to invent full self driving…😬
I like Elon, but something tells me that if he's not in on an innovation, then it won't work. All legit issues he brought, but it won't entirely scuttle the eVTOL air taxi use case, it just will reorient optimistic expectations held during the SPAC boom.
I understood somewhat of how the UFOs were powered… It basically has the power of a cyclone spinning and uses that power even creates a energy field around that plane that makes it no longer under the laws of physics.
You would have to create a massive amount of energy and shield against things like heat and offset gravity. The power needed would be tremendous- more than a spinning disc would generate.
Except the JOBY S4 eVTOL is 100 times quieter than a conventional helicopter. Also, like Tesla cars, there are far fewer moving parts and far less maintenance costs involved. And the upfront cost of building the vehicle at scale will be much lower. From recent business decisions he’s made, I think Musk has totally lost it.
Joby’s challenge hasn’t even started. Making a prototype vehicle that flies is not too hard. Making it safe to operate all the time is a totally different story.
agree, but 1. evtol can fly cheaper than helicopters, 3 times lower cost 2. fly evtol a lot easier than helicopters (cheap automatic stabilisation, autopilots, ets,) evtol has BRS parashute 3. in season your arm is longbow 4. its a pleasure to fly safely and cheaper. 5. 30% of our planet is a uncnown territory without access. like a mars , be a discoverer.
evtols and helicopters are just as easy to control with flight controllers. a person can fly a helicopter without a computer but it would be impossible for a person to fly a vtol.
@@frankyflowers absolutely, but helicopters flight controllers are a lot expensive, flying helicopter by hand is complicated process, electric vtols scheme is a lot cheaper and easy to use
@@frankyflowers in classic helicopters it always integrated with hydraulics, and it costs $, don't remember r44 autopilot price, but many zeros. in vtols it may be direct drive by electricity, that is cheaper
Odd 🤔 Didn’t he try to purchase Lilium (LILM)? And, they said no. Can someone please correct me with accuracy? And, Lilium doesn’t use propellers / drone-like. Lilium uses jet power.
I like the idea of traveling to Mars but at what cost? What rewards?And terraforming is out bc Mars hasn’t got a magnetosphere sufficient to protect any atmosphere from blowing away into space.
I think it depends on what you mean by "succeed". Jetson is doing pretty well. The idea of everybody flying around with those things all the time is not feasible but as a recreational craft - why not? ...also, most the points he raised also apply to helicopters.
I would say to musk, why don’t you develop a quieter propulsion system? No! He would prefer to keep you on the ground in one of his evs powered by electricity while he flys his really quiet rockets. 🚀 🧨
I don't get the argument? 300 feet under a helicopter is quieter than a drone at 150 feet. And I sure as hell can't feel either and neither do the trees. An MHX helicopter is barely audible at 500 feet. Also if LRAD can isolate ear destroying sound into a 1x1 meter colum for 1,200 meters with a device no larger than a car wheel since 2008; how the hell can't someone figure this out for evtol even if it was a true problem?
@@Revon-Feuer Well if Joby, Archer Aviation, and Lilium pretend to be fervent engineers, and pretend that the problem is harder than it actually would be in wartime research and development... then yeah, I can see them pocketing very relaxing 150k to 500k salaries coupled with intermitten stock pump and dumps. It would be easy to pretend to do engineering to the public. The EVTOL industry really does need a few Joint Chiefs walking through it each month.
Interesting that Elon hasn't figured out noise cancellation for drone motors similar to noise cancelling headphones. He'll figure it out someday (there's a patent out there).
People can barely operate cars in 2D. Flying is like 3D. The amount of fui landing in trees, hitting power lines, landing on rooftops, crashing into other vtols. The licensing system would have to be an aviation license at least.
I bet the same discussion must be happening when henry ford introduced model T some 100 years ago as they wish horses to stay forever. I bet elons great grandfather ask the similiar question. Maybe its in their dna as dna is inherited thru generations 😂😂😂😂
Sometimes, Elon is just incorrect. It happens. It's called being human. 😊 Personally, although I like Tesla's cars, I am not a huge fan of the front end styling. I think that the model three and y could have some different bumper cover options from the factory. Would only be a minor change in pricing, but all of the cars wouldn't be an ugly carbon copy of one another.Just my opinion.
So he said the price should go up really high So it can only be access by very few people or have cars that don't use propeller and stable with that. I bet it using only electricity or magnetic field from under the earth .
No Elon Mars you couldn't be more wrong, these are all issues we can solve and Helicopters are not gonna cut it if we want a zero carbo emission future.
Why would you put a clown face over this Man. Have you not seen the amount of things he has accomplished? Of course he knows what he’s talking about. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist like him to reasonably conclude that those are unreasonable and unrealistic. Y’all watch way too much Star Trek.
All his reasons are incorrect. To say eVTOLs will not succeed when clearly many companies are working on it and showing great results. He is pushing the tunnels idea, and his opinion on eVTOLs is biased.
If helicopters were sufficient then you wouldn’t have the interest in the VTols. Maybe the Vtols would be less noisy etc if they were better utilized. Maybe sitting too long in a garage causes the loudness. And maybe traveling far and away more often would possibly help. I think that’s the name of a movie about Canada Geese. I love those. I am sure I could think of how to improve your VTOLs but I’d prob have to have more info on them. If you would like my two cents on these, I would be happy to. You can pay me in the normal ways plus I love your water bottles. I was promised one already by someone in your mt kisco location….
Elon is wrong here. He sounds like the critics at GM/Ford etc who said electric cars wouldnt catch on, while basing their premise on the mundane, whimp EV's that existed at the time. Look up Archer flightsystems eVTOL, Midnight.
