Do You NEED a CLOUDLIFTER w/ the Rode PODMIC? Testing w/ the Rodecaster Pro & the Audient evo 4

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Do you need a Cloudlifter--or similar inline preamp--with the Rode Podmic? In this video I'll test that out using the Rodecaster Pro and the Audient evo 4. Turns out, it depends.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
00:13 What is a Cloudlifter?
00:45 Different Audio Interfaces
01:41Rodecaster, w/out Cloudlifter, no processing
03:49 Rodecaster, w/out Cloudlifter, processing
04:55 Rodecaster, w/Cloudlifter, no processing
06:29 Rodecaster, w/Cloudlifter, processing
08:02 evo4, w/out Cloudlifter
10:18 evo4, w/Cloudlifter
11:42 Conclusion

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@jamtronllc 3 года назад

Dude I'm getting ASMR I'm not ready for this type of relaxation!

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Not really what I was going for but I'll take it!

@AtomicPixel 3 года назад

Just wanted I was looking for. Thanks for your thoughts, buddy! -Tuan

@petar-does-dev 3 года назад

Thank you, very informational. And your video quality is superb!

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Aw, thanks. Glad it was helpful

@samfraulino 3 года назад

This is a great video dude, really liked the simplicity in the overview of the RCP. I fiddled and still fiddle with mine and podmics trying to get perfect sound, but one mic (mine) is on a Cloudlifter and my co host (wife) is not, so I have to play with these constantly, plus you do a great job talking into that mic with out a wind screen. Thanks for you time and a great video

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Sam, thanks for the kind words. It is a process and one that I haven't quite mastered. I find that Rode kind of nailed it with the presets and whatever I do doesn't sound as good. As long as I set the gain correctly, I get good results

@luisaponte4990 3 года назад

Great video!! keep up the great work.. I am really interested in the audio side of things and this channel has answered some great questions i have had..

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Thank you! Always appreciate the feedback and glad to help

@joris.elfrances 2 года назад

Very good and informative video, thank you very much !

@BritishNativeSpeaker 2 года назад

Hey man thanks for the heads up. I have an EVO 4 with the Rode Podmic and Mic Booster CT1 for the gain and I agree it is QUIET without a lifter of some sort. The EVO 4 works better with the EVO app I find. Cheers.

@imajogger 3 года назад

Great video, thanks for the info

@MichaelW.1980 3 года назад

At -12dB, depending on if you can get loud, like talking loudly in the heat of the situation, you are likely to still clip the signal. To me, -18dB are comfortable. Run the compressor at exactly that threshold with a ratio of at least 4:1 and boost the outcome with makeup gain should give you the result you want, while making sure you probably never clip, no matter what happens. About that particular “cheap” audio interface being representative: Well, I know quite a few interfaces at that price tag easily capable of peaking the PodMic. 😅

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

This is good advice. I never get that animated but I'm sure it would be easy for some people to get loud enough to peak from a -12db average

@RobBrogan 3 года назад

This is great! I was trying to figure out if it is a microphone thing or an interface thing and so you confirmed that for me - I have a cheap (UMC22) interface. I was looking at another one with pretty much the same inputs and couldn’t figure out why it was more than double the price. I noticed in the specs that it has “A/D Resolution: Up to 24-bit/192kHz” Versus my cheapo with: “A/D Resolution: 48kHz” I’m not an audio expert either but long story short I guess people can keep an eye out for that metric when shopping for an interface or get a cloud lifter. The lifter actually costs more than my interface which is why I’m trying to figure out if I just spend the money on a new interface instead of the lifter ;)

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

There are cheaper alternatives to the Cloudlifter as well. I did a comparison between it and the Klark Teknik CM-1 (which only costs about $30). The sampling rate (48kHz vs 192KHz) shouldn't affect the hiss or noise of the preamp and I would say 48kHz is pretty much a standard for pairing an audio recording with video

@RobBrogan 3 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck thanks! I see it’s out of stock near me but I think that might be a good solution. I’ll keep an eye on it. So if not that one metric, then I wonder if there’s something people can look at when comparing audio interfaces before buying. I know that roughly more price can get you more quality but hadn’t expected low gain being an issue haha. Oh well :)

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

@@RobBrogan I guess signal to noise ratio is the metric but I'm not sure that there is a standardized way that manufacturers measure and display that information. You kind of just have to read or watch a lot of reviews to find the right info. The Klark Teknik goes in and out of stock a lot but you can place an order on Sweetwater.com and they'll ship it as soon as they get more

@francisv1021 3 года назад

Great video! It is really helpful and funny end lol I am using a scarlet solo and a shure sm7b so you know, another dynamic mic hungry of gain, but I am still debating if maybe I should just save and buy a more powerful interface instead the the cl1, but as a quick fix, I think is nice.

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Well maybe take a look at some of the other mic activators out there. I put links to a handful in the description. A company named Klark Teknic is bringing out a couple to the market soon that are really affordable. I don't know how good they are...but I'd sure love to find out. I also have the SM7B and definitely use the Cloudlifter. Thanks for the comment

@mkygod 3 года назад

I can confirm that the Motu M2 will be able to handle the SM7B fine at good volumes with no cloudlifter. But if you are happy with your Scarlet Solo, it may make more sense just get a cloudlifter for it. If lack of gain is your only concern, then that'd probably be the smarter way to go instead of replacing your whole interface.

@xmikemac 2 года назад

LOL! I look up and there’s a giant piece of meat there. Great video - very clear! Enjoyed it!

@JustOneSmallExplorer 3 года назад

That breakfast looks delicous!

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

It was! What a nice surprise

@brenix 2 года назад

Your evo4 without the cloud lifter sounds a lot cleaner than mine. I have to max the gain out as well but the noise floor is ridiculous and it's still not loud enough. I'm thoroughly frustrated with the evo4, my q502 sounds the same at half the price. I thought I'd be upgrading so it appears I didn't do enough research and definitely missed this video. :)

@PhillipRPeck 2 года назад

That's a bummer. Audient is known for the quality of their preamps but these are definitely being produced on the cheap in China. I wonder if you got a bum unit

@albermosmona90 3 года назад

I prefer EVO 4 + Cloudlifter compare to using Rodecaster PRO. Using EVO 4 + Cloudlifter, makes the sound more real, more live. Using rodecaster, i think it get some bass boost, and sound kinda annoying to me (to punchy bass). problem is, no one sell cloudlifter in Indonesia. Thanks for the video !

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Thanks for the comments. Too bad about the Cloudlifter. Can you get a Fethead, SE Dynamite, or Klark Teknik?

@kookiespace 2 года назад

Thanks for this video! I have the same mic but with a Scarlett 18i20. I have to turn the gain on the interface ALL the way up for it to pick the podmic at all and I still boost it in software. Kinda hoping a cloudlifter makes it a bit easier to handle the signal :') Also hey, stop it with the depreciation. You're pretty hot to look at. Hope your wife wasn't upset with you :') Kinda wondering how my gf is gonna be with me taking up the whole flat for filming my dumb movie projects this summer

@burningwinter1428 3 года назад

how does this video only have 35 views

@asher8773 Год назад

Great Video you seem like a really cool dude I have had a podmic for a while as I play video games I get a lot of people saying it is very quiet I have the Rode AI-1 and it does the job good but I was wondering if you think I should sell and buy a EVO-4 and cloudlifter to make the mic work better and raise my voice more

@PhillipRPeck Год назад

Thanks! I am a cool dude. Lol. I’m not sure if the evo4 provides any more gain than the Rode but a mic activator like the Cloudlifter will absolutely help. Check out my vids on the Coda Stealth and the VeeleiZ Mica. Both provide even more gain than the Cloudlifter

@paul_london 3 года назад

I was stuck with the same issue, EVO4 just doesn't have enough boost for the mic. I also tried MAudio 192|6 which seems to provide enough boost. However, MAudio quality is just bad, outgoing sound pops and cracks all way round. Perhaps Mutu M2 is the best fit for Procaster since it has enough gain to boost the mic without Cloudlifter.

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

I can't find anything on Motu's website about the amount of gain it provides. But maybe worth a look

@FifthSparkGaming Год назад

I was like, is this guy really going to drink during the sound floor check?? Made me lol!

@StarbucksBob 3 года назад

Hopefully you could help me clarify this a bit. I have the same setup with a podmic + evo4, and I am trying to avoid maxing the gain dial because I want to avoid hums/interference (also I am not planning on any post processing/ gainboost), so dial is at ~3 oclock right now. I have a rather loud voice, so if I do set the knob to max, ~5 oclock, then I can be heard properly. Ofc my voice sounds a bit too soft at that point and I am considering an external preamp, but am I wrong about maxing gain on the interface? If I am indeed wrong, then I assume the ext. preamp is necessary when people have already maxed out their interface but still struggling to hit -10dB?

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

I'm not sure I'm following 100%. You're not getting good levels (-10dB) at max? If that's the case, regardless of the noise level of the evo4, you should get a mic booster because you're not getting your levels where you want them. On the other hand, if you are getting adequate levels out of the evo4 with max gain, I'd say just listen back and see what the noise level is like. The evo4 is pretty quiet and you might find it acceptable. Hit me back if I didn't answer your question

@StarbucksBob 3 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck Hey! Thanks for replying so quickly, yeah I think you've answered my question with: "if you are getting adequate levels out of the evo4 with max gain, I'd say just listen back and see what the noise level is like. The evo4 is pretty quiet and you might find it acceptable." I was trying to understand whether maxing out the gain on the evo4 (or any interface) is bad, because it'll introduce noises - now I know it does. When hitting -10dB range with the gain maxed out, I honestly can't hear a whole lot of noise or my headphones just aren't the type for monitoring, so I guess I won't be needing an ext. preamp.

@Gibsontw23 3 года назад

Just wanted to say this was pretty helpful. I'm actually looking at the Audient evo 4 and the Rode Podmic to replace a Blue yeti microphone and a Fiio K3 AMP/DAC to free up some USB ports. Theoretically that is a huge improvement in regards to microphones. I'm planning on using this microphone for stuff like discord or maybe a stream. do you think i could get away without using a cloudlifter for a while? or do you think i would need a cloudlifter to be heard? Appreciate the video.

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Hey thank you. I think you can get away with it. The evo4 has clean preamps, so even with them cranked to the max, there is very little hiss. If you needed to add a bit of gain in whatever software, you should be good

@Gibsontw23 3 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck Thank you! i ended up ordering it all just now plus a couple of extra xlr cables in case i do decide to get a cloudlifter. You did a great job on this video, and i appreciate you replying to my comment so quick.

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Awesome. I hope it all works out for you and I appreciate the kind words and I'm always glad to help out if I can

@Gibsontw23 Год назад

@@Xentatt yeah, the setup works well. haven't had major issues. just make sure to have a microphone stand with the microphone in a good position. needs to be centered well.

@KMSchriver 3 года назад

Hey Phil, how long are the XLR cables you use between the rodecaster to cloud lifter then CL to mic? Does length of cable matter at all?

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Hi Kevin. I use 12" and 18" cables for Cl to Rodecaster and usually a 3 foot cable from the CL to the mic. Mostly just to avoid excess cable but I have read that the shorter the cable, the better. But I've used longer cables from CL to mic--6 and 10 feet--and haven't noticed any differences. I haven't done any comprehensive testing on it though, so I can't provide more than anecdotal experience

@KMSchriver 3 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck Thank you. I was about to purchase a 1 foot for the CL to Rodecaster and then have a 10 foot for the bigger cable to stretch for what I need it for. thanks for your stuff as always.

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

@@KMSchriver That should work fine. I think, possibly, that expensive XLR cables are just more durable, so kind of a buy once investment. But you should be fine unless you buy the cheapest thing out there

@tomh5501 3 года назад

What's your opinion of the evo4 vs scarlett 2i2? I have the PodMic right now, with the Scarlett and I was wondering if the evo4 would be better for it, or is there nothing really in it?

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

I don't have firsthand experience with the 2i2, but from reviews I've seen it seems they're pretty comparable and you might as well keep it unless there's something about it you don't like

@tomh5501 3 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck Okay cool. Cheers man!

@malmskold 3 года назад

Good video, a quick question. Do you have any problems that your EVO4 is affected if you have your mobile phone lying nearby? I have the same setup with EVO4, Rode Podmic and have to hide my mobile devices in another room before using my EVO4

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Every so often I'll hear a little feedback or something for just a second but I never thought about my phone being the cause

@carlrogueofficial 2 года назад

How are you setting up the rodecaster with evo4 and cloud lifter?

@PhillipRPeck 2 года назад

I'm using the Rodecaster and the Cloud Lifter for the first half of the video and the evo4 and the Cloud Lifter for the second half. They're just two different interfaces that I was comparing

@artjohnson01 3 года назад

My conclusion is that I don't really NEED the Cloudlifter for my RODEcaster Pro, but it doesn't hurt. Is that about right?

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Yeah, pretty much. It just gives you more headroom so that you're not maxing out the preamps and the fader

@GDCole 3 года назад

What table too stand are you using for your podmic my bro?

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

The Proline MS-112. There's an affiliate link in the description 😉👍

@Jerrodbdrums 6 месяцев назад

So I have an Evo 4 with an MV7.. would I need a cloud lifter running via XLR?

@PhillipRPeck 6 месяцев назад

It would definitely help. You'll be pushing the gain nob probably to the 3/4 mark at a minimum but it also depends on how loud your source is (your voice I assume) and your tolerance for a bit of preamp noise and/or your ability to deal with it

@lexanath1774 2 года назад

Hi Philip, thanks for this great video! If I am using Rode Podmic with or without Roadcaster, does the use of cloudlifter help if my room has a noisy aircon noise in the background? (to reduce background noise)

@PhillipRPeck 2 года назад

Definitely. But it would be ideal if you could cut the A/C while recording

@yaboylevi 2 года назад

so here's a question then, if you don't have a cloudlifter what mic would you recommend at $100? I just ordered the podmic but I'm seeing a lot of people saying that a booster is very helpful. I don't really want to get a booster right now I was looking at the blue ember, yeah it's not a dynamic but I really enjoy the way it sounds.

@PhillipRPeck 2 года назад

If your audio device can provide about 50db of clean gain, that is more than enough for the Podmic. Depending how loud you are/how close you are to the Podmic, you can probably set your gain around 40db and get a perfectly adequate level. I don't have any experience with the Blue Ember, but if you like the way it sounds, then go for it. It being a condenser mic, you definitely won't have to worry about gain/volume issues. The only $100 ish condenser mic (XLR) I've tested is the AT 2020 which, I think, sounds pretty darn good

@yaboylevi 2 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck thanks, I'm a little hesitant on everything right now. I think the blue ember sounds better than the AT2020 but it does sound pretty sensitive. I may try it out just to see how it sounds, I may love it. I went with the podmic because my office is not treated so I'd hate to go with the blue and it picks up a lot of the room. I'm checking my podmic out tonight. I'll be satisfied if I get a good level and sound out of it for discord because I can adjust for recording. Probably will end up getting a fethead at some point or something comperable.

@PhillipRPeck 2 года назад

I'm not sure how audio works in Discord, but if it's anything like OBS, search for this video on the Podcastage 2 RU-vid channel: "OBS Settings To Stop Distorting Your Mic on Stream!" Super helpful video on how to set audio levels both at the audio interface level and the software level

@yaboylevi 2 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck Thanks for the quick replys

@yaboylevi 2 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck hello, I got my podmic about a week ago, and to my surprise it sounded even better than I expected. I kept it, actually just ordered a Klark Teknik CM-1. I appreciate the responses here in helping me make these purchases, I'm super excited to get the CM-1 and get my levels down a bit.

@jared9136 3 года назад

I have the Podmic with just the Audient Evo 4 and i can not get the microphone to sound good at all. I dont have a cloudlifter yet but in the video your Podmic with just the Evo 4 sounds miles better than mine. Am i doing anything wrong?

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Not sure. As long as you're getting good levels out of it, it's hard to do anything "wrong." The Cloudlifter doesn't change the way a microphone sounds, it just adds gain. So, maybe you got a bad Podmic...?

@jared9136 3 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck Maybe. It all of the sudden on its own started sounding good idk what happened. I noticed that on the 3 pins one of them is sticking out more than the rest idk if they're all like that but my blue ember isn't like that.

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

@@jared9136 Mine is like that, too.

@Martin_why 3 года назад

Wow my setup is nearly the same, but sounds very different. I have a FetHead and my gain is about 55% when i am 30cm away from the mic

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

30 cm is pretty far away. I think at least half that distance would give you a much better result. I am much closer to the microphone throughout this video

@Martin_why 3 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck I know, but at the moment i have the mic above my cam

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

@@Martin_why As long as you know... :) If you want the mic out of the shot, you'd be better served with a shotgun mic rather than a dynamic mic

@Martin_why 3 года назад

@@PhillipRPeck You are right, problem is the price. Which mic would you recommend in this price range?

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

@@Martin_why Hmm, I don't know exactly which to recommend. But Audio Technica, Saramonic, and Comica have some relatively affordable XLR shotgun microphones.

@nicolasruggeri2515 3 года назад

what arm do you have the podmic on ?

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Proline MS-112

@lining250 2 года назад

谢谢

@squidiebah 3 года назад

Nice beef

@PhillipRPeck 3 года назад

Yeah, it was good

@civilfieldengineer Год назад

Sir I am full beginner. I want to record my written poetry professionally. Suggest me audio interface and dynamic mic. Which gives me professional level quality. Because my room is not sound proof. My total budget is 300 dollars. Tell me such a setup that I will not regret buying.

@PhillipRPeck Год назад

I can only speak to the the products that I've personally used, so in that case, the Audient evo4 is a great low to midrange audio interface that sounds great and is easy to use. As for microphones, the Shure MV7X, Rode Podmic, and Presonus PD-70 are good choices. I have a video comparing all those mics on my channel if you want to check it out. Good luck with your poetry recordings!

@civilfieldengineer Год назад

@@PhillipRPeck Thanks 👍 I will check your video 📷, Can I Record with Rode podmic or Is this only for live use? Can I mix after recording with Podmic? I m Confused,

@PhillipRPeck Год назад

@@civilfieldengineer The audio interface only... interfaces, with your computer/laptop. You need software to record. Or, you could buy a field recorder, something like the Zoom H4N or the Tascam DR-40. Those will connect the microphone and record to a SD card, but they do not interface with your computer so you would need to bring the files into a piece of software to do any editing or mixing. If you're on Mac, you can use free software like Garage Band or iMovie. On Windows, Audacity is free, though I've heard it might contain Spyware now, so maybe look for an alternative. DaVinci Resolve has a free version and you can use the included editing and Fairlight applications to record, edit, and mix your tracks. Lots of options! It's hard to cover it all in the comments

@Puusankimmo 2 года назад

Ah shit so this is the problem with my setup. Behringer Xenyx q802usb+podmic, no matter how high u put levels u cant even get to those levels unless u eat the mic.