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Doctor Jim - AI, Healthcare, Community : A Response to Vervaeke's AI Sages 

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Dr. Jim is a cardiologist who is very interested in technology, science, theology, philosophy and has been a regular contributor to this little corner of the internet (TLC). We talk about Artificial Intelligence, Healthcare, Medical Research, and related topics. We mention Paul Vanderklay, Paul Anleitner, John Vervkae, Jonathan Pageau, George W. Bush, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Abigail Shrier, Mickey Mouse, and many others.
Sam's Conversation with Vervaeke: • Delving into the Front...
Vervaeke and Sam part 2: • John Vervaeke - AI Sag...
Sam and Paul Anleitner: • Paul Anleitner & Sam T...
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:04:30 - Sam's career connections to Dr. Jim
00:08:00 - Dr. Jim's overall view of AI
00:15:20 - AI and Medicine
00:54:20 - Reflections on Vervaeke's AI take
01:02:30 - Communities, Purpose, and Trust
01:22:00 - Closing Thoughts

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11 июл 2024

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Комментарии : 19   
@EmJay2022
@EmJay2022 3 месяца назад
How can Christians be both united in community against "dark forces" while avoiding frontism as its unifying principle?
@Neal_Daedalus
@Neal_Daedalus 3 месяца назад
1:18:15 I think this is precisely what we’re doing for each other within TLC
@williambranch4283
@williambranch4283 3 месяца назад
Bwahaha ... Expert System diagnosis has been around since the 70s. Doctors want to outsource their malpractice liability to Google. I brought up this point at an AI conference in Denver in 1984. We tried to implement a Dental practice add-on to the DoD Health Record system (AHALTA) circa 2014. Before it could be fully deployed, the dentists revolted and forced the termination of that add-on. The DoD has moved on to their third-generation system (GENESIS) and have completed deployment as of last year. I am sure it is a giant mess, maybe worse than AHLTA ;-( The VA is in a similar mess trying to implement a DoD compatible system, running a few years behind the DoD effort.
@lynnlavoy6778
@lynnlavoy6778 3 месяца назад
That was an awesome convo! Very clarifying and articulate. Idaho is working on a law in its legislative session about expanding ai services, many physicians are worried about this, as a patient I worry about "humans" taking out of our society leading to more meaning crises. .Thank you. Brilliant convo!
@transfigured3673
@transfigured3673 3 месяца назад
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing
@TheTimecake
@TheTimecake 3 месяца назад
Community based curation is arguably already being introduced into the structure of LLMs, with the whole Mixture of Experts structure. Granted, it's usually only 8 experts, as opposed to, say, 150+ experts, but it is at least leaning in that direction.
@MichaelTheophilus906
@MichaelTheophilus906 3 месяца назад
My Rheumatologist retired, because she was required to us a laptop to do her job.
@transfigured3673
@transfigured3673 3 месяца назад
Many similar stories
@amurdo4539
@amurdo4539 3 месяца назад
As a fellow physician I agree with Doc Jim. I would add that non-profit doesn't mean good. It just means that you spend what you earn. Non-profits tend to have very low accountability (market forces don't force change) and bloated cost structures (especially in admin/personnel). They have few incentives to lower costs as long as they earn enough. They operate much like a school system. Some of the biggest medical bills I have ever seen come from non-profits.
@transfigured3673
@transfigured3673 3 месяца назад
Agreed. And you can easily find high six-figure and even seven figure salaries among the admin of these "non-profits"
@MS-od7je
@MS-od7je 3 месяца назад
All things work together for good for those called according to his purpose. Iterate appropriately Again: The Slime Mold and the Abacus A computer is a fancy abacus. No matter how many beads or rungs or other fancy “connections “ are made a computer has more in common with an abacus than a human brain. A slime mold has more understanding than all computers. A human brain is a fancy slime mold. The human brain has more in common with a slime mold than it does with a computer. The abacus can never hope to be a slime mold. An abacus can never hope. A computer will not likely ever be a brain. A computer will be the tool of a brain. An abacus owes its existence to a slime mold more than the slime mold owes its existence to an abacus. This does not means that a computer will not out calculate, “outsmart “ a human brain but that a computer will never “know” or “ understand “ unless it first becomes aware. Awareness is the seed of consciousness. Understanding is the fruit of consciousness. // I have way too many health care stories….
@WhiteStoneName
@WhiteStoneName 3 месяца назад
Is it as simple as this: AI does not have a right lobe of its “brain”? It will always have to outsource “what don’t I see?” to human beings (meaning makers). Edit: ie AI will never know what it doesn’t know. Humans can (and should), if they are knowing as they are known-iconically.
@MichaelTheophilus906
@MichaelTheophilus906 3 месяца назад
Humans program the computers. Do you trust humans?
@transfigured3673
@transfigured3673 3 месяца назад
I think that is very true. I would also say it doesn't even have a fully formed left lobe either.
@WhiteStoneName
@WhiteStoneName 3 месяца назад
@@MichaelTheophilus906Yes and no. I trust their unique divine spark, not their…false self emerging from fear.
@WhiteStoneName
@WhiteStoneName 3 месяца назад
@@transfigured3673 relatedly, human beings have been outsourcing their art to machines and tech, esp & most quickly for the last 100ish years and really going exponential since the iPhone & various algos. This is McGilchrist’s lopsided left-brainedism. We have been dehumanizing our minds for decades. But new wineskins have also emerged via this technology.
@WhiteStoneName
@WhiteStoneName 3 месяца назад
1:20:06 Egregores and That Hideous Strength. We’re playing checkers. Principalities and Powers are playing 8D chess.
@transfigured3673
@transfigured3673 3 месяца назад
The communities will win in the long run though.
@mostlynotworking4112
@mostlynotworking4112 3 месяца назад
Now that’s a power of 10 inception image prompt
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