DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE SPOILER TALK | Double Toasted 

That was savage!

🔥🔥🔥straight bars

It wasn't Wanda. That was the Scarlet Witch 🤟🏾✨️

That was some cold blooded shit

That Bitch!! Excuse me i meant that Witch!!

Well he never told anyone about the sister

@@AlphaAceEX that is true. I’m glad they kept that. Sad it was cut from the first movie

Thor could understand her. Lost everything and now it looks like he’s just looking for inner peace

I think black widow had it much worse. Thanos? Thanos watched his whole planet die and he was the last one. Add in the fact that they hint at him being a failed eternal, there is a certain amount of guilt there too. He's my favorite tragic marvel character.

Also his sister and hands were not a sacrifice for the "greater good". Wanda had to sacrifice vision to save the world and her children to save Westview. And she has nothing and no one to support her emotionally. So she is alone and gave up her happiness and love twice with nothing to show for it

Yeah, like Gothica? That walk scared the shit outta me as a kid.

Facts, At First I Thought That Was Horrible Editing Job but I Learned it Was the Intention Was to Show Show She Alters Reality.

Slept on quick scene

I agree but I also wish there was another vision in that universe that was ALSO terrified of the scarlet witch

@@crashingcoyote as a long time Scarlet Witch fan I'm so glad she's getting more development that doesn't include him. Her closest connection for a long time isn't Vision, but Billy. Read Young Avengers and Children's Crusade if you haven't. He keeps her tethered to her humanity when no one else could. Married couples have so many stories to tell that don't include each other if you allow them the time to tell them.

Yes!!!! I was thinking the same thing!!

@breadstickzzzzzzz probably through magic, but was able to make them real rather than just constructs 🤷🏾‍♂️

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I was basically telling my mom this. Everyone did something wrong in order to help the greater good. And between Stephen and Wanda despite him wanting to be with Christine he chose to be the bigger person and put aside his wants to save the multiverse. While Wanda though sympathetic didn't give a damn what happened to anyone as long as she got what she wanted by stealing another Wanda's kids. And obviously we saw what happened to the other Strange who DID DO what Stephen wanted to do, but ultimately failed.

Excellent summery of the difference between Doctor Strange and Wanda, can't wait for the third film.

Let’s not forget that Wanda killed Vision to stop to save half the universe but because Dr Strange gave Thanos the time stone, her sacrifice meant nothing and she still lost Vision. So Wanda did have at least one good reason to be angry at Dr Strange. Also she did destroy the evil Darkhold in every universe (presumably with her life) so don’t say Wanda didn’t do anything huge for the greater good. Frankly the destruction of the Darkhood books out ways the killing of the Illuminati crew.

He can't be with the woman he loves & Wanda can't have her twins....she don't care about Vision

@@pmpowalisz What happened to vision was not Doctor Strange’s fault. Any other reality they would have lost and vision would have died anyway. This was the only way and Wanda has no right to be angry at Doctor Strange who literally disappeared for five years to save everyone. He lost Christine to another man and lost the Sorcerer Supreme title. He’s someone who lost everything as well ( his sister died in front of him and he couldn’t save her, his mentor died and his other mentor betrayed him and stabbed him in the back and tried to kill him, and if they went with the comics then he lost his brother and parents as well ) and he tried multiple times to reason with her but she threw it back in his face. Wanda has killed so many people in Kamar-taj and in other universes as well not just 838. She killed defender strange as well. God knows how many people she killed through different universes while chasing America.

Very reasonable 😁

She did ask nicely

That tunnel scene was straight terminator

Same

And Samara from The Ring when she came out that mirror and they were covering up those puddles

The tunnel scene

Bad and lazy writing. ✍

That would be a cool short film but unfortunately there’s not much to go with it.

Well if you combine it with Scarlet Witch or possibly more Wandas variants I'd watch it. Call it "2 and a Half Witches"

The Scarlett urban house mom,

there shouldnt be a season 2. Wanda is dead and if not she is beyond redemption. Even Loki has good qualities in him.

Best character in the movie

One of if not the best Marvel Villain

Definitely true. For me I was pissed off at and sympathetic for her at the same time. Just watched the movie with my mom yesterday (05-17-22). And I was explaining to my mom that though what Wanda did was inexcusable she did have a reason for doing what she did. Wanda overall was just dealt a REALLY SHITTY hand in life, and it was just a series of unfortunate traumatic events one after the other for her. All she wanted was to just be happy, but it wasn't meant to be for her apparently 😔. I'd like to hope that after she died she was finally able to get the peace that so often alluded her in life.

@@OutsideLookingInSports The Boys is my favorite show. Oh and btw, you’re intolerable and nobody likes people who act this way, ever. I mean maybe at first but eventually everyone gets fucking exhausted of absolutely shitty behavior

@@OutsideLookingInSports Oh and if you ever disrespect me again, I will make you cry. Because when I said that nobody likes people who act this way, what I meant was that if you act this way in person then nobody likes you.

Definitely a marvel thing.

This made absolutely no sense to me. The mid credit scene defeat the purpose of the end of the film. The end where the third eye appeared was supposed to be a cliffhanger in terms of whether or not the dark hold took over Dr. Stranger’s mind but the post credit ruined that cliffhanger! Smh 🤦🏾‍♀️

Eh it ain’t bother me, honestly the way it just abruptly ended with the 3rd eye was a bit off putting imo since it just…ended.

The main problem with this movie is bad writing. ✍

@@gabriellar.8674 some people think it’s a set up for a comic where Dr Doom will summon heroes to a battleground dimension and it’ll be avengers vs avengers type stuff. Also Charlize Theron’s character is Strange’s new future love interest

Thank you black bolt was probably the only who can kill wanda

Reed talks too much!

His voice is so powerful yet can’t go through a thin layer of skin?

@@albertojhernandez p13

@@albertojhernandez maybe wanda thickened his skin

Yea they done him dirty. Hulk coming back for revenge was totally justified. The people turning on the Illuminati was just icing on the cake

Indeed specifically under the "Dark Hold" of Cthon.

That’s true but she didn’t have the darkhold in Age of Ultron and Wandavision. She already had that seed planted in her she just needed a bit more influence.

@@chimpwimp9407 in age of Ultron you mean where she first became an avenger? The same movie where she watched her brother die?

I think they showed how even strange holding the dark hold can be manipulated, showed us that even doctor strange can come under its influence. But I do agree we needed to see more of her being influence by the dark hold

Yea i think the movie got cut down by 45 min so theres probably scenes showing more of that

It’s surprising since other RU-vidrs kept on saying the near-complete opposite about his character. And yes, that suit is pretty dang awesome looking.

Dude had some big ass ears, i feel like they would break off an action figure too easy, unless you do like a stretch armstrong type deal

You make it sound like the avengers aren't a roller coaster ride of tragedy . Everyone had their own ### going on and her loss isn't even unique

@@MM-hf6om everyone had a dead sibling and was used by someone. She seemed self absorbed maniac with no moral base. I was hoping strange would kill her but we have her dying offscreen didn't give us what we wanted.

Of course people try to minimize her trauma but her twins were her last vestiges of hope, so as soon as she read like half the Darkhold at the end of WV of course she was too far gone-- she honestly would have replicated Westview but the catch was they couldn't leave the hex. She tried not to actively hurt people and the Darkhold twisted that desire too, had our Strange kept using it I'm sure he'd be more than just possessed by Agamoto. Vision was gone to restore his emotions on a VisionQuest just like the comics, Hawkeye was with his family and she didn't want to interrupt that, literally the only person who's trying to save her is Stephen. Everyone else thinks she should be stopped no matter the cost, even other Stranges would. It sets up Meri being besties with Billy after he's aged up magically or multiversally. Like.. we have so much to take away.

@@MM-hf6om No if that is what I meant I would I have written that explicitly. I'm just saying what it would have taken to stop Wanda from spiralling and seeking comfort from her fantasy and power through the darkhold, and pointing out that level of support wasn't there for her. Wanda's journey has compelled me to look at the Avengers in a new light in terms of the emotional support they offer each other or have the capacity to offer (as pointed out they each have complex lives).

@@nailinthefashion Yes, good to point out Stephen still saw her as Wanda and was empathetic. I like Stephen's character growth is him affirming his value system. For me this is where comic book films really shine when they give the protagonist an ethical conundrum that is solved through a rigorous value system that is tested to the limit. It is easier to vanquish villains than save them. This, for me, was what was compelling about No Way Home, Peter Parker's instinct to understand threats and enemies rather than destroy.

Bad and lazy writing. ✍ 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Disney just can't help themselves; they're continuing to shoot themselves in their feet.

@@JamesASharp That is not bad or lazy writing I'd like to see you do better

@@mrstrangeworld5977 Are you SERIOUS?! There are plenty of stories from the comics themselves that are way better than what Disney, oops, I mean Marvel Studios gave to us. Snap back to reality. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@JamesASharp for real. how could they have her killing people for imaginary kids that shit is comical

I miss quicksilver :(

She’s the best part of it because it’s basically her film

@@teddyholiday8038 Yup That Too💯💯💯

I like how genuinely creepy they made her in the film .

@@BugsyFoga Those Scenes Of Her Being Genuinely Scary Actually Scared The Shit Out Of Me.

@@BugsyFoga she’s basically a monster, at a certain point. It’s like a monster movie or a slasher flick with her as the monster/slasher. She’s like the terminator in Terminator (the first film)

Accepted

Not that level don't lie is meh 6/10

Didn't feel like doctor strange movie though

Scarlet Witch was a great villain but it essentially undid everything she learned from Wandavision. The show literally ended with her walking down a road of redemption. This movie is like psyche! She's actually worse than ever now

@@fangal12 did you miss the last frame where her astroprojected form was flicking through the darkhold whilst her physical for was chillaxin in her crib?

@@kreed82 are you implying that this was all darkhold? Robbing her of any agency or characterization? That would make this movie 10 times worse, not better

@@fangal12 doctor strange 2? Yup. Wandavision obviously started out as anger from losing Vision.

I know right?! That was such a missed opportunity there!

I agree

I would be so disturbed if she gets a redemption arc. Look, I like Wanda, but she was a brutal psychopath in this movie. Not mind controlled, she did all those brutal murders on the people of Kamar Taj and Illuminati without mercy. She could easily incapacitate them. But no, she straight up murders those people. What's worst is, there's some many way she could gain access to America Chavez. She could easily dream walk into one of the earlier universe, "save" America from a monster, gain her trust then steal her powers. If there's a redemption arc for her, that better be a really good one. Her excuse of "a mother missing her non existing children" could only go so far.

@@syazwanmustapah2826 no argument there. Though with the way Disney/Marvel is and how they were ok giving Loki his own arc and show, I wouldn’t be surprised that they would do the same for her. They can use the very weak defense of “well the dark hold made her.”

They need to bring her back for when X-men come in. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are Magento's kids. Both were taken to mount wundergore by their real mother.

She signed a multi-movie deal. She will be back but like many who posted here, I hope they don't try to redeem her.

That type of stuff happens in real life so I’m not completely against it. It makes it more grounded in my opinion. It’s a relapse pretty much which I find very relatable.

Yea I think the sad part was that that was likely her original intention withe the dark hold she was gonna read this book to learn more about her powers and herself and what she can do so what happened in west view wouldn't happen again when she lost control. But as she read it the dark hold started corrupting her more and more

That’s why it’s called the Dark Hold it corrupts the reader. Sinster Strange is a result of that.

Wanda never did the "ok I will process my grief and learn to master my powers" thing. She went from "I want what I want!" to "I WANT WHAT I WANT AND HERE'S THIS DEVIL BOOK TO HELP ME!!!". That was even shown at the end of WandaVision.

A parent will never give up finding their kids

I keep Hearing those notes. I thought it sounded like Danny Elfman

Danny Elfman has had two modes since the mid-90s: the Batman theme and flourishes from the string section

@@poposterous236 and most people eat it up. I'm people btw

I realized that Danny Elfman did the score for this movie during the scene when Strange, America Chavez, and Other Christine were running through the tunnel trying to escape Wanda. The music sounds a lot like the Beetlejuice theme to me.

I think he ended up meeting Sinister Strange and causing that Incursion. Why else would he willingly want to die? He probably assumed he killed a Christine and her whole universe to save his own and couldn't forgive himself. Too bad that same one is prob one that worked with the Illuminati

I hope so, I'd like to see her come back on the redemption train

The takeaway should be that the Darkhold doesn't make people evil. It twists desire, your thinking, the justification for things. Go read the Darkhold run from last year if you haven't it was so good, especially Spiderman's. We also saw Wanda absorb the Darkhold so we'll see how that all plays out 👁

So… we’re just gonna ignore the fact she enslaved/tortured an entire town of people and has killed the innocent before this??? Yeah no, she’s unredeemable. The Dark Hold definitely made her worse, but she was already a piece of filth before hand. If you go and purposefully murder someone while drunk, you still had it in you to be a monster, you just now have an excuse to avoid the blame. =/

@@MuffinMythos alcohol isn't centuries old magic though.. don't use real world logic in a fantasy film. Well, you can, but when she's the reaper and savior of the mutants don't complain. Or do. Doesn't matter cuz she's still ☆the best and strongest Marvel character ever created☆ oop

@@nailinthefashion “She’s the best and strongest character Marvel ever created, oop.” And that ladies, gentlemen, and those across the gender’d spectrum, is what we call a scapegoat. It’s when someone who clearly doesn’t know what they’re talking about, brings up stuff that wasn’t on the table before to divert the fact they have actually no argument! =D Anyways, I said nothing about her strength, but yeah, she’s the strongest Avenger. Not physical strength, that would probably go to Thor. But physical strength is NOT everything, and Wanda definitely takes the cake. Physical strength is sort of irrelevant when you’re opponent has the power to literally make all your muscles disappear by thinking it. But it’s good to know she’s clearly your favorite character, because it helps save me the problem of proving you’re a biased buffoon. ;)

You doubt the logic of the smartest man on earth, Mr. Noodles!?

I think they should keep the one who was the scarlett witch

We could get a buddy buddy flick or show similar to Moon Knight.

I was thinking if they made a scarlet witch movie it could follow 838 Wanda as she and her kid try to run away from the x men and inhumans that way want her dead and she could run to the 616 universe to escape and it could include magneto

That’s what I thought of too. Hopefully there are more brutal marvel moments.

She is, Elizabeth signed a 7 film deal last week

lol

i can agree with that because this movie took her to a level most heroes don’t go to. If it’s a progressive return to the good side of things, it would be fine.

We saw Cap take advantage of having the stones. All of them have lost something but it whether they choose 2 b selfish

How many movies or stories are they going to need to travel to different universes for?

That's like saying your mom died? Just get adopted boom everything is fine

@@Harlequeer That's different you can have more children you only get one mother

@@Harlequeer Huh? Lol. Thats not even remotely comparable. Lol

@@Harlequeer it's more like saying your kids die, then just have more And boom everything's fine

I got a better one. When she killed Reed Richards, his son Franklin Richards will not be happy. If you your comics, Wanda can’t hold a candle to Franklin Richards!

@@gbone1971 Or Legion.

I know it waz cringe,but kids are cringe sometimes.

@@pookiesis1465 agreed lol

Only scene that bothered me, really wasn’t necessary or needed for the story at all. If you’re going for that emotional beat, just have them look at Wanda and say that they love her, reinforcing her motivation and emboldening her actions. Don’t make those poor kids try and sing about ice cream to be cute, because it really wasn’t and it was the only scene that genuinely took me out of the movie. Just imagined being on set for however many takes it took to get what actually made the cut. The cringe was real, and if they do make a director’s cut I would appreciate its absence after the amazing possession sequence that came before. Just a massive tonal shift that severely under cut the effectiveness of the visuals prior

@@RT2020HD well if they make a directors cut you’d prolly get more scenes like that. Extra cheese is a Raimi thing.

Isn’t the Eye of Agamotto just the time stone? Well at least the empty case the time stone use to be in now.

You just broke the whole premise of the film

Because after reading the Darkhold and discovering the multiverse, she knows that there are universes where her kids are real. This is why she's hunting America for her powers; if she could get the real ones, why would she settle for the fakes?

@@TheKML777 I mean, was it worth it? She became irredeemable in the end. At least recreating the Hex safely, Wanda wouldn't go on a killing spree?

Mr. Fantastic is usually brought down by his severe lack of wisdom.

Smart doesn’t mean wise.

"Reed Richards...the world's dumbest smart guy..."

Smart, but not cunning

@@ryri51 except, telling your foe your secret weapon isnt lack of wisdom, thats just plain stupid.

When the Music Match first started up I was like, “Ummmmmm…” but then at the end I felt like applauding. Super creative fight idea!

Me too. I went into this movie with only watching one trailer and that was what I THOUGHT this movie would be about. But I wasn’t disappointed. Wanda was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs 😂😂

The way this movie was written and the run time, they didn't have time to deal with the Vision situation or include all of those ridiculous cameos that never happened. I am curious which show or movie will pick up Vision's story though.

It still required you to have watched WandaVision, or you won't know WHO the hell the Kids are☝.....So yeah, the Vision absence was lacking.....(Who "Fathered" the multiverse kids? Why?) I really enjoyed the movie but, those questions Needed to at least be asked.

@@bronzetiger6360 I don't think so. The movie introduces Wanda as someone who has an intense connection to her children... and shows that it's a dream... that is later explained to be connected to the multiverse. And shortly after shows us that she's someone willing to access the multiverse to get real versions of those same kids. For the purposes of this single movie, that's enough to establish her motivations for resorting to such extreme measures. We don't need to know who the kids are beyond being Wanda's fixation. All that matters is that they're sweet kids that love their mom. What more do you need to know? Even the very brief mention of Westview is specifically brushed aside by Strange to focus on the main plot. A mother doing whatever it takes to get her kids back is a very straightforward motivation that doesn't require watching WANDAVISION at all to follow this movie. It only matters if one feels entitled to have seen every past movie/show explained by the next movie. I know some people watch media that way, but I don't respect it hahahah Even the introduction of Wanda into the movie is contextually set up by Strange being told that the monsters are based in witchcraft. So he goes to see a witch he knows. That's not all that different from FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING having Gandalf visit Saruman for guidance/help regarding The One Ring. And like Wanda, Saruman is quickly revealed to have darker intentions in his first scene. I know that Tolkien's source material has all sorts of additional details about that relationship, but for the purposes of Jackson's first LOTR movie, I felt he provided exactly the context anyone uninitiated needed to know in order to follow the movie. We don't need to have read all of LOTR or Silmarillion in order to understand what's happening (at least I didn't need to back in 2001).

@@mcnooj82 She DIDN'T KNOW WITCHCRAFT....until the series. My normal Marvel fam haven't wanted to see this one yet(for Free at that) because they are confused. Sure it can still be enjoyed, I feel, without watching WandaVision, but it was WandaVision that made many people WANT to see this( judging by the Hundreds of posts I've read from various channels). She was considered "A Rock Star" after WandaVision......that box office AND the 7 pic deal she recently signed, confirms it.

@@bronzetiger6360 well if they’ve seen Wandavision, then they don’t have a problem!

Drinking after post blip depression

Strange did mention Mordo was tryna kill him not just take his powers

Loki can enslave people and he's loved for it, but Wanda has to go full mass murderer and now people are done with wanting to see her again. That sucks.

@@GoldieSC right?

@@GoldieSC its the way they're written. Loki is a mass murdered but is written as pretty comedic and entertaining while Wanda plays it off pretty serious which most MCU fans might not like given how much comedy all their movies have.

@@namejeff9757 or just sexism. I get that it’s become a tired accusation but double standards exist

@@Mateocabrera2389 I mean I'd argue that maybe its sexism in the part of the writers/directors considering how they write female leads/villains vs male leads/villains. It's very rare to see a major female character be funny or super charming in the MCU so when you see a character that will not be as likeable as its male counterpart do stuff as violently without remorse I can't really blame the audience for not gravitating with her as much as they would with loki because even if he is a horrible person he is fun to watch you know

They’d send them a bill like a toll road

@@wilcee238 how? There is only one America Chavez and I don't think she was from that universe, and doctor strange in that universe is dead 🤷‍♂️

They don’t know that. Just like when you use a toll road they don’t know if your car is stolen or your license expired until after you pass.

My favorite marvel movie by far

Mah mam, I love the X-Mem.

😂😂😂

I like the fact that they actually made her a villain in this, she’s f’d people over in the comics as well. Also to add on to your point about comics being comics they literally wrote a storyline just for all the muntants to stop hating her and bring back other dead mutants. It was a mid storyline but they will write their way out of something if they want to.

Honestly I enjoy this more than No Way Home 🤷‍♂️.

Wanda might have had a chance after WandaVision if not for the Darkhold. IMO, any character retcon from WV can be attributed to the Darkhold.

Exactly

only if he got to take a look at a picture of Captain America from the universe Strange came from and go "you gotta be fucking kidding me!"

Smart and wise are different. If it was Captain America, it wouldn't have went down like that. Reed is known to be cocky. Even Black Bolt had a cocky smirk on his face .

I hope so

Nah thats John Campeas theory 🤣

@@keldorthebluemack Mikey Sutton actually. 😜

But think about she was the reason of the movie civil war remember and she was the BAD GUY in Ultron and Wandavision and she was killing Thanos with no remorse and she kill d that lady in infinity war

wandvision kinda built up that she was losing her mind

@@cypher160manny2 that's true but for her to go off the rails? She knew she had a problem at the end but she got to thr point where she'll murder to get her way.

@@PetePuebla the dark hold is too blame

@@dragin1601 true.

you just wrote a better ending than the movie had lol

probably as the good variant that Scarlet Witch possessed?

Wanda had the Darkhold. It boosted her power.

You’re right about the darkhold but her previous actions in AoU don’t help her image. It actually made me care less for Quicksilver because of it. As for Peggy fighting Wanda…bruh. What’s Gorilla strength and a jet pack gonna do to someone with reality warping powers and telekinesis? Peggy was really that dumb to think trading blows with a being like that would help when Wanda didn’t need to lift a literal finger. Cap in Endgame was all alone so he had no choice but to fight but Peggy had three others to go to. She could’ve helped break the glass Chavez was in but she thinks doing flips and kicks will help after Wanda just turned the most elastic and durable dude there into string cheese. Her death was inevitable but unnecessary. This was unfair to Peggy. IMO, sometimes being a good soldier means running away. That’s what the Double Toasted crew were pointing out. Shoot, look at the Dunkirk incident.

@@chimpwimp9407 dude whatever 🙄

Only from the mouth of the marvel boss. There's no scenes linking to Kang. Feige said the broken void is caused by chaos of he who remains disappearing from the sacred timeline

Loki and Kang is tied to Ant Man