Ryan's Dyspraxia was a typical example of Chibnall's shoddy writing - along with Yaz's career as police officer and Graham's history as a Bus Driver - none of them were ever really relevant to the characters they portrayed. The recurring themes of unresolved set-ups and unexplored character traits were Chibnall's legacy to the show.
Dyspraxia expresses in many different ways. My brother has dyspraxia but he has learnt to cope with it. You would never know and it's rarely mentioned. Having Dyspraxia doesn't mean you have to keep mentioning it. Ryan's path seemed believable to me.
I completely disagree with the idea of the war Dr being wasted, I feel the fact that he had the 50 year anniversary revolve around him completely you got his whole premise covered, I feel anymore would ruin the the mystique of the character which is why his one appearance so great
Wasn’t the whole “Timeless Child” the rehashed “Cartmel Master Plan”? Because the doctor is now technically a “demigod” and is now apparently the one of the forefathers of Gallifrey…
Exactly that’s what I say when people get upset about the mer mention of the timeless child even though it may not be a one to one of what Andrew cartmel would’ve done it’s still the same idea and a lot of us know how much of a classic era fan Chris Chibnall that his era feels like it was inspired by the classic era
Andrew Cartmel said that it 'depletes the mystery.' Even though there was that backstory to Gallifrey, the Doctor was a re-incarnation of the Other but that doesn't make them the same person.
No cause the Masterplan was actually fully planned and knew where it was leading, unlike the timeless rubbish. Plus what Fadi Khoory said about it not changing the doctors backstory entirely by having them be two different people
Yes. And ruins all of continuity for dozens of reasons. Can anyone explain why Ruth has a police box when the (real) first Doctor’s Tardis accidentally got stuck that way in 1963? Or why 11 needed more regenerations from the Time Lords, etc? Why didn’t we see any of this with Clara?
Ill tell you why the 13th doctor "hid" the fob watch never to be seen again; Chibnall didnt actually know where to take that story, just like most of his twists. He realized it would be far too much work to actually show the lost history of the doctor (that he created mind you) and decided to literally throw it away. Lends even more credence to the fact that the timeless child was just a plot twist to shock the audience and nothing more, ignoring the lore implications that came with it. Id love for RTD to explore Ruth more, if only to fix the continuity error she poses. She can be a past incarnation, but not have the title, Hartnell is the one who came up with that name in lore. The police box look also cant be a thing, it could possibly be explained away as being because its in proximity to the present tardis, because if she is from the distant past then she cant have THAT tardis as, again, Hartnell is the one who stole it which then got stuck as a police box when he first landed in the UK.
Mm, I think you're right. It's just a further sign of how Chibnall was willing to dream up the Cartmel Masterplan being reborn, but being unable or incapable of building on it because he lacks the imagination to do it right.
It's still possible that a pre-Hartnell Doctor might have visited Earth, and in particular England, before he collected his granddaughter (if Susan really was his granddaughter, as we understand the term) and landed in Foreman's junk yard in 1963. Suppose the chameleon circuit, instead of just instantly ceasing to function, started "playing up" for a while before finally getting stuck permanently as a police box? It may have been an appropriate disguise for the 1960s, but not for the 2020s, and perhaps the Ruth Doctor trying to fix it caused it eventually to stop working altogether. I don't think Susan really was the Doctor's granddaughter in the "human biological" sense. At that time, we didn't know that Time Lords could regenerate, and that a young-looking Gallifreyan might actually be older than an older-looking one. But to look credible to humans, they may have adopted the roles of "grandfather" and "granddaughter" to deflect suspicion. Susan could be just about anyone - a previous incarnation of the Rani, or possibly the Doctor him/herself. It would have been crazy, but fascinating, if Hartnell's Doctor had had his memory wiped and didn't know he was protecting an earlier incarnation of himself.
@@mikenash7049 It's possible, but a massive contrivance that, of all the things Ruth's TARDIS was disguised as, it just happened to be an anachronistic shape that 13 and we the audience recognise. *And* the Doctor doesn't remark upon it despite it making no sense from her perspective as she knows she stole it and it got stuck as a Police Box not long after.
There is a sentence of the tardis in her human shape that she "left the door open" and "stole him" So the Tardis might have interfered with the Doctors decision to take it, or It's possible that Claras interference made him take his old tardis again. There is in fact room for explanation why the Ruth Doctor's Tardis is still the same Tardis the Doctor now has And when we see it flying It sometimes looks alot more like Hartnells Tardis than 13's Tardis...
Missed Opportunities: After "The Day of the Doctor" they should've done a couple of specials with Paul McGann's 8th Doctor. With the short that came with that special they precedented his look from this time. Could've done about three, one a good while before the Time War, one in it's early stages and one set shortly before his Regeneration into the War Doctor.
If I could have 2 wishes, since nobody said Doctor Who HAD to be linear... 1. Give us a few seasons with Eight, leading up to Night of the Doctor. 2. Ruth, as the final doctor, before Hartnell, on the run from whatever agency that was, and then a finale, where, even when she is caught, she leaves such an impression that when they force regenerate her into the 'First Doctor', his first instinct is to steal a tardis and run away.
We had so much potential with his granddaughter and his daughter. I'm still waiting for that... and all those adventures he and River had. I would have loved to see those.
The Timeless Child and every plot point that came from it was one of the biggest miscalculations in Doctor Who history in my opinion. It undermines the character, creates tons of plot holes, and legitimately went nowhere. It feels like Chibnall tried to have the Doctor be both the same renegade Timelord who made a name for themselves because they decided to do good and help people and have the Doctor be a demigod precursor to the Timelords, but quickly found that those ideas aren't compatible, especially in the way he presented them. Then he had to quickly cover up that storyline by killing off Tectaun and having the Doctor dump the fob watch to try to both reset the series to before this revelation occured but also to still have had it happen. So in the end the people who hated the Timeless Child, like me, were just left wondering what the point of it all was, and the people who actually liked the Timeless Child were left unsatisfied cause it went nowhere. It's like a master class on how to write a story to make the most amount of people unhappy as possible.
@@Venemofthe888 It cherry picked the lore being tossed around about the Other. The third character in the creation of the Timelord in Old who, Rasilon gives immortatliy, Omega control of time, and the Other put the limitation 12 regens in place. This is a fast loose break down of the rolls. And early idea was that the Doctor was to be The Other, but this idea is not really compatible with new Who since we don't have the Looms anymore and have moved away from the Idea that timelords are some kind of quasi-clone. Look up the history behind Lungbarrow ( it has showed up twice in nuWho, both times with 12th doctor)
I liked the notion of the Timeless Child because it appeared to be an attempt to put the "Who?" back in Doctor Who. It seemed like we knew everything about the character except for his actual name, which characters like River Song did know. That was another "thrown-away" thing, this time from Moffat's era. As an aside, I feel rather angry that Chibnall appears to get all the blame when other showrunners have had their share of unfinished story arcs and forgotten revelations. If Smith to Capaldi was supposed to be the start of a new regeneration cycle, it made sense that the Doctor's "real" name being revealed would be a fitting end to the old cycle. In the end, all we got was "We're not telling you, but it isn't important anyway." Pertwee's Doctor implied that the only reason he didn't tell people his original name was because humans weren't able to pronounce it. Nevertheless, I was waiting on tenterhooks for the next revelation of the Timeless Child arc, and it seems unlikely that there will be any more. Incidentally, the Timeless Child idea doesn't contradict the Time Lords giving the Doctor a new regeneration cycle; if the knowledge about the Timeless Child was buried so deeply within the Matrix, then the Time Lords may simply not have known about it, and gave the Doctor a new cycle of regenerations which he didn't actually need.
I loved that Doctor who featured dsypraixia being dsypraxic myself and was kind of annoyed it wasn't really ever bought up. I don't think it's talked about enough personally and people who have dsypraxia don't really seem to have any characters to reltate to on TV or Film because no one really knows about it or knows how to put it into a character trate. It would be great to see another character have it so we could have some sort of representation on mainstream TV. Great list by the way and completely agree with everything!
What was your take on Ryan being unable to ride a bike but then the very next episode is able to contort & coordinate his actions on the battlefield like a boss character?
@@nigelhickman2274 I mean it was nice to see someone struggling to ride a bike with the condition but for it to be completely forgotten the next episode feels a bit weak tbh. I mean yes sometimes it effects and sometimes it doesn't but when they're basically doing the same thing then it does feel a bit lacking.
@@swiftfirebolt6922 I too have dyspraxia and it’s not something that can be turned off when convenient like Ryan appears to do. Just another reason why I got annoyed at chibnalls era
yeah and due apparently to the BBC meddling, he's still totally wasted in Big Finish, with the whole concept of being a warrior wasted and despite 'rejecting' the name of the Doctor he is referred to as The Doctor all the damn time
@@YetaxaTo me, the only War Doctor audio stories that didn't feel like they could've featured McGann and nothing would change were the one with the Stasi officer as his companion and the trilogy with the Barber-Surgeon.
Exactly Ryan have so much potential is so sad. Ruth don't need the timeless child plot, she can easy be a lost regeneration like war doctor, Chibnall destroed everything that's why I hate him so much, great ideas but he don't know what to do.
There's nothing linking Ruth and the Timeless Child. Ruth is a lost regeneration from The Doctor's time working for the Division, which presumably occurred quite some time after Timeless Child (given that the Time Lords still had to create and then master time travel).
If you want more War Doctor, have I got news for you! There are, as of right now, 21 hour long stories of the war doctor during the time war from big finish.
The timeless child plot line is so frustrating. It really screws the cannon suggesting Hartnel isn’t the first doctor and adds more backstory we didnt really want but i wanted it to be finished. He could have given us a conclusive ending and closed the chapter but it feels like chibnal thought “oh they dont like it ill just ignore it and never mention it again” which is the lazy way out.
The Cartmel Masterplan was the same basic structure as The Timeless Child. The only difference is Tecteun was the third founder, and The Doctor therefore remained a mysterious anomaly.
I would have preferred it if Chibnall had used the original Cartmel Masterplan. It would have been easier to swallow, and Big Finish has done work on the origins of regeneration in the Ravenous series.
the difference was that the 'Cartmel Masterplan' was never truly a master plan and it was never intended to fully reveal everything, rather hint and suggest stuff
Nyssa was implied to have some sort of psychic power in Time Flight, but it wasn’t brought up again. Planet of Fire had a scene meant to imply that the Master was related to the Doctor - again, went nowhere. Kamelion was a robot that, as an automaton, never quite worked and so never showed up in between its first and last episode. This despite the fact that it could mimic any humanoid, so all they needed to do was get a fresh actor every serial to play Kamelion.
I wanted (STILL want) a Paternoster Gang TV spinoff so bad. I'm happy that Big Finish picked up that ball & ran with it. I'm hoping that the new RTD era makes some use of them. Maybe even with Moffat writing their return as a springboard for them to be expanded on further. That's a lot to hope for, I know. But we've seen steanger ideas evolve out of our beloved series!! 😊 Also, I'm still hoping we finally see the Valeyard sometime soon. THAT'S the biggest plot thread DW hasn't revisited yet to me.
it was never supposed to having her survive at the end was a last minute decision but she was never thought of as anything other than a one off and not a terribly successful one
Susan! In the first episode of Dr. Who, this weird and mysterious girl from another world is a fascinating character. But then the show turns her into a generic teenager.
I call Susan the shows 59 year old mystery cause we no nothing about her is she really the doctor’s granddaughter if so what about her parents if not where is she from and how did she meet the doctor stuff shows and comic book didn’t care about at the time
@@kevin10001 the only we did know (forgive me if I got this wrong since it been a while) that she chose to stay on earth with the leader of the resistance to rebuild earth from the dalek invasion.
@@jonathanwatson4484 yes in the original version of the dalek invasion of earth I was more referring to her background being what we know nothing about but that was more of the doctor’s choice to leave her with the guy she had fallen for but in her 5 doctors appearance she seemed to be back in modern day uk with no explanation when she was captured by president Borusa and taken to the death zone
I'm hoping RTD plugs some of these holes. I feel like the Minister of War would be an epic story...the biggest challenge ever where everything that is, war and could possibly have existed, faces and insurmountable challenge. The Fugitive Doctor also has to be addressed.
Chibnall leaving that fob watch in the console was the best decision he ever made for Doctor Who. Sorry guys, but I think you really missed the mark on that one. A huge chunk of us do not want that plot line ever mentioned again.
As someone with dyspraxia my self I was kinda disappointed that story aspect didn’t really go anywhere like they did a great job of portraying what it’s like but it’s not somthing you can switch on and off so Ryan just acting like it’s not there when the plot Dosent call for it to be an issue in his way makes zero sense and frustrated me to no end 😂 I’m glad they did it I just wish it had been more involved in the story
To be fair, bits of the very awesome Cartmel Masterplan were later developed in the seventh Doctor novels. Particularly with the idea of Ace being a student of the Doctor working her way up to become a Time Lord. As originally planned in the series.
Offensive enough to disrespect the canon but to then literally ignore it and do nothing with it is even worse: putting your mark on the show but not brave or clever enough k do anything with it!
While I would love to see more War Doctor stuff, I don’t think a recast is justified. The fandom only accepted David Bradley is because he EARNED his spot through An adventure in time and space.
Bradley wasn't the first time the first Doctor was recast. A different actor played him in The 5 Doctors anniversary special. Actually, I would have loved to have seen Patrick Troughton's actor son reprise the role, as he was in the 10th Doctor's Christmas special. I also wouldn't mind if actor Sean Pertwee came back to play the 3rd Doctor as he looks a lot like his dad now. Or just deepfake the lot.... It's sooooo easy to do on your PC these days, you'd be shocked. I was nearly compelled to deepfake the older doctors to de-age them in the finale.
@@AussieAmigan I have never seen the 5 doctors, so I wasn’t aware - but I still think the role of a past doctor who has passed should be earned, and idk if anyone could do a younger John hurt in the time war.
For me it was the Valeyard, the set up was there, but never executed. 'The Name of the Doctor' saw the great intelligence, played brilliantly by Richard E.Grant, infiltrate the doctors past and seeing as the Great Intelligence is all about knowledge, what better way to get to know your enemy than to walk a mile in their shoes, which The Great intelligence could have done by emerging from the Doctors time line, having experienced the negative aspects of the Doctors past Then in the guise of the Shaka Doctor, a role Richard E. Grant just so happened to also play, only for him to eventually drop the pretence of being the Doctor and rename himself the Valeyard. Thus making the Shaka web series cannon within the NeWho universe.
Oh-Meh-Gah Omega, not Amiga. And I see absolutely no similarity between the War Doctor and John Wayne. I grew up on John Wayne movies, and the comparison is so strange.
Tenants here now he'll fix all these unanswered questions and lay to rest what all of us have wondered since the 60s through to present before he regenerates to that new guy
Still makes more sense to me to make the Master the "Timeless Child", hence why he can do things no other Timelord is capable of doing, and make the Fugitive Doctor, a far far off future Doctor that has lost most of their memory, and is being manipulated by either the Timelords, or an as yet unknown alien species pretending to be the Timelords.
Just a few small notes, the Paternoster Gang did get some audio Dramas from Big Finish, but i’d agree that I’d love to see more of them or their history as well as being more family friendly shows again, especially since it already features some LGBTQ+ representation built into their story. (Spoiler, they were also in the Doctor Who podcast “Redacted”). In Reference to “Ruth Doctor” (Jo Martin), Titan Comics is releasing a Doctor Who Origins with the Fugitive Doctor coming out very shortly. Yes, I would have LOVED to have seen more of her in video, but i’ll take what i can get. The concept of the Doctor being a demi-god is sort of explored as being the “Template” for Time Lords in “The Timeless Child” since their Genetics did basically help start the Time Lord Race. It’s gotten so much pushback, but it both helped explore this and also removed the entire concept that was looming for the show of “what about exceeding the number of permitted regenerations” potentilally dooming the show if the Doctor can’t “convice to get more from Gallifrey”, since this basically in one fell swoop just takes that off the table and possibly dooming the show if they had to stick with that random number or have to be “given” more when relying on Gallifrey to get more is not always going to be in the story to keep going. Also since the Doctor has had a rocky relationship with Gallifrey in general (both modern and classic), and with Gallifrey destroyed again, can’t rely on that for now.
Time war already solved the regen issue, as it canonically reset regens, whcih was possible based on old Who lore of the limit being artificial. So that limit was still a good 6 to 8 away based on that, then you have the revamp from the crack in time, so the limit to regens was a none issue if the show needed it to be already. Check out the Fan named Cartmel plan, that is a demi-god Doctor, the Timeless Child plan is a bit hamfisted by comparision.
The doctor may have not been the third founder of timelord society but the rather controversial "Timeless Child" retcon does make them a key reason that timelords as we know them exist in the first place.
I don't think The War Minister counts as an idea that went nowhere, because there's every chance that it still can. Perhaps Moffat just never got around to it, it might have been intended to be a thing like what he did with the Mummy on the train, mentioning something that doesn't pay off for years. Or maybe Moffat (or whoever came up with that line) always intended to leave it open for someone else to write, if they feel like it. If that never happens, that'd be a shame but it doesn't currently have anything to do with an existing plotline and we don't get to see everything The Doctor gets up to, so it at least wouldn't feel wrong for us not to see.
RTD should retcon the Timeless Child. Have it so it was a false narrative/timeline that was cooked up by some antagonist to serve a certain purpose. Then move the The Division, Fugitive Doctor and all events to do with it to the future. So really all that stuff happened way further in the Doctors Timeline. This would restore the established lore before Chibnall started messing with it. But also allow some of the more intresting stuff to remain canon. The Fugitive Doctor could even be a legit furture incarnation of the Doctor. Perhap even in a new timeline that rewrites/removes The Division story arch completely. That way RTD could pick and choose what he keeps canon.
@@robertfeld5829 Her outfit was not stupid, and her cheerful demeanour was not overdone. If your only “complaints” are blatant lies, it rather suggests you’re desperately fumbling to hide the true reasoning. The Doctor would despise you.
@@DrWhoFanJ Mm, you are aware there are better ways of doing that, yeah? I take it you have dozens of arguments on RU-vid, yes? Surely it must have occurred to you there was a reason for that. And here's a tip, if Chris Chibnall is so damn good, why has the Timeless Child been so divisive among fans? Now, please, don't get me wrong - I like the idea of more mystery with the potential for greater storytelling, but he did it badly. Instead of building it up, dropping hints and ideas, he instead dumped the whole thing and he hasn't bothered to go into detail since, and you can't deny it. The wonderful Thirteenth Doctor didn't bother opening that fob watch, something she wanted the whole time; if he had done that, it would mean nobody could retcon the Timeless Child. And here's another point, one I've made before and if you are going to reply to this point, do it intelligently, please; Tecteun travelled the universe and space and time seemed perfectly fine, and then suddenly we get the crap telling us time is an entity. There was no sign of that before, meaning he made it all up on the go. I don't care if you like or dislike my points of view. I will stick to them. And I am perfectly okay with you keeping yours. Okay?
assuming the don't completely retcon the timeless child, I'd love to see another kind of Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS episode, where a future doctor tries to retrieve the fob watch while the TARDIS fights back all the way
The Ruth Doctor was so much better than the actual Doctor in this era. Bizarre Chibnall didn't just write her as the 13th Doctor from the start. He was so very bad at the bad
Good job, but you missed the unexplained connection between the Doctor and Merlin foreshadowed in “Battlefield.” I still await a future Doctor to become Merlin for a King Arthur.
American writer with not much undertstanding of the series most likely. That said, it was plot idea tossed around as away to add to the mystery of the doctor before the movie but never went anywhere. Historically the chracter started out as human inventory, but was changed later in the series to be an Alien.
As this video is kinda about missed opportunities....I once thought, wouldn't it be great if Missy, not being able to regenerate into a fully grown adult due to the Master, decided to save her energy to regenerate into a baby, and that baby grew up to be............Nardole. If Missy was truly rehabilitated at the end of her regeneration, it stood to reason that she would choose a personality that was non-threatening. Not that Nardole didn't have a dark past as he conveyed to the Doctor when he left him. It always seemed to me like Nardole learned this to be the case just prior to becoming the Doctor's companion, saving Missy(and thus himself) from execution upon his return to the show. Sent by River Song, I once presumed Nardole's presence seemed to imply to the Doctor that Missy was capable or rehabilitation and that Nardole was her future. Nardole even piloted the ship with Missy and the Master as passengers and smirked at their comments in what could be considered an act of self loathing!!! Can you imagine??? Think about it, Nardole was always very capable, as though he had the Master's intellect, and the Doctor once asked the Master to travel with him. And then of course, if this was the case, then I would expect Nardole to later regenerate into......Tasha Lem, Mother Superious of the Papal Mainframe, described by the Doctor as a former psychopath. She could fly the Tardis after all, back when that meant something (CHIBNALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!).😁
Just rewatching The Power of the Doctor, and having some thoughts for the future of the Doctor Who franchises. I’d love to see a tribute to Sarah Jane, maybe a movie with potential for tv spinoffs. Regarding the fob watch, in the Tardis. What if! The Tardis used its telepathic connection with the Doctor, to access it without opening it. Therefore being able to take 15 & beyond, where they need to go, to get answers to who they were, before The Reset Regenerations. Another idea, for how to bring back the Classic Doctors. The Doctor, implanted a version into the Tardis console. As she knew, the only person, she would listen to, would be they’re self!
For crying out loud! I wanna know, definitively WHERE did the term 'The WAR Doctor' come from? As seen in this very video around 7:05 Introducing John Hurt as 'THE DOCTOR '. Not 'the WAR doctor', just 'THE DOCTOR'! And now we're getting this BS again. 'Bridge Doctor'....Tennent was introduced as 'THE DOCTOR'
As much as I love Dr Who, they chop and change it as they please sometimes with scant respect for what went on before. Unfortunately some of the best ideas never have any flesh on the bone. And with the idea of the Doctor being able to regenerate forever, it never means his in any real danger, only the people around him are? A time lord who actually controls time and is outside of every time line. Of course I am still going to watch the specials next year, and the new doctor’s series after that. I still love it.
You're pretty much confusing words "danger" and ... well no idea, what other word you think of. It's clear as day, that even forever regenerating person still can be in danger, even die if killed during the process of regeneration, as we've seen in "The impossible astronaut" and "The wedding of River Song". The Doctor can also be poisoned, "The Unicorn and the Wasp", "Let's kill Hitler", still could drown or suffocate, as even a "Timelord" needs to breathe and there are ways to supress regeneration as well "Heaven Sent" and "The Doctor falls" come to mind. And as 10th Doctor put it, "Even so, it's like death. I'll leave and someone else takes my place", so unlimited regeneration still isn't an omnipotent device, because the Doctor wouldn't carelessly waste their lives. Each regeneration takes a hard leave. Look at Tennant's "I don't want to go", or Capaldi's "No, I won't regenerate!" Imagine something like this: "Oh look, we're in danger! What should I do now? Think of something? Hmmmm, you know what? It doesn't matter, when I die, I just regenerate and everything will be fine". This will never ever happen, I don't get, why people think this is the new standard of Who. Since when does "Unlimited regeneration" equal to "dumb and careless behavior"? Yea, sure, the Doctor is now dumb and will always regenerate in the first signs of danger, because reasons.
My headcanon is that the Fugitive Doctor is from the Second Doctor’s Time Lord Mission days from the expanded media. I think that’d be a cool way to link her with an existing and similar era
I just want a spin off like the Rani Chandra adventures with Clyde, Luke, Maria, Sky and Luke’s boyfriend! Where we find out they’ve all gone there separate ways since the passing of Sarah Jane but an earth extinction level threat forces them to reunite on bannerman road. We could also get cameos from the “class” cast. Where we find out super genius luke has started working at Cole Hill as an English/maths teacher. That would be so fun! (I know we are getting a rani audiobook, but it’s not the same as a tv show 💔)
@@WhoCulture That would depend on what actually happened to it and whether each T.A.R.D.I.S. has the same clothes in their wardrobes and don't forget the Doctor's a Time Traveller their options wouldn't be limited.
Interesting that all the 7th Doctor clips you use in the number one slot are from the first three McCoy stories. Because, at that time, Doctor Who didn't actually have a proper script editor. Cartmel only really dealt with seasons 25 & 26.
It has been unofficially leaked that Neil Patrick Harris' character is the Celestial Toymaker, but him being the Minister of War could be an interesting introduction.
If you guys are looking for continuity in a 60 years old time travel show, welll…the latest batch is just that the latest batch. Just try to go with it
In the 3rd drs era there was a story with politics and daleks revealed to be behind the masters interference. Then the doctor and Joe get in the tardis and fly off to an unrelated dalek serial. Feels like another missed opportunity.
So to me, the 10 greatest ideas that went no where... 1. The Valeyard. Introduced in Trial of the Time Lords as an evil future version of the Doctor which was also referenced in new Who to still be in the Doctor's future. His origin actually lines up perfectly with the Darker tone the show took durring Peter Capaldi's era as the Doctor except that the Valeyard is never mentioned again after the Name of the Doctor and Peter Capaldi's Doctor is just an ass for no reason as the sudden darker personality never actually leads to anything. 2. There seems to be another missed opportunity to link Classic Who with New Who. We would eventually learn that River Song is able to regerate and that she was born as Melody Pond. In Let's Kill Hitler we see that she was actually named after herself as she grew up as her parents childhood friend without either of them knowing this black girl was actually their future daughter. There is mention of at least one other regeneration we never actually see on camera and there is another Mel in Classic Doctor who who also met the Doctor in the wrong order. Classic Mel was introduced in the 6th Doctor's era durring the Trial of the Time Lords as a future companion he hadn't actually met yet. At the end of the story she joins that version of the 6th Doctor which means we still technically do not know how they actually met for the first time. It's possible that Mel is another incarnation of River Song though it's not offically confirmed that they're the same character. 3. Speaking of River Song, durring her one appearance with David Tennant's Doctor she recognizes him in that incarnation as if she would see him with that face in his future but it turns out to be the only time she ever met that incarnation so why was she surprised that he didn't know her yet if she would have known that all her times with the Doctor were with a different incarnation? This could be fixed given David Tennant is back if they have an episode with River Song. Being that they always meet out of order it wouldn't be that unreasonable that a younger version of River would have met David Tennant's Doctor without realizing that he was actually a future incarnation rather than the pre-Matt Smith version. She also some how knows about Donna Noble even though I don't think the Doctor ever mentioned her. She did say they never actually met in the future but the Doctor told her about Donna at some point in the future. 4. The Doctor is half human. Mentioned originally in the Doctor Who movie by the Master, the Doctor supposedly has a facination with Earth because his mother was human. Not sure how the Master figured this out just from looking into the Doctor's eyes but yeah that was a thing that happened. It was brought up again durring the 12th Doctor's era that the Doctor was a hybrid species except this time the Doctor denies the whole idea so they literally brought in a plot thread which goes no where just to dismiss a different plot thread that also went no where. 5. The Hybrid, see above. 6. The Fugitive Doctor. I know this one was mentioned in the video but I think you got it wrong why she was waisted. The War Doctor took advantage of a gap between the 8th and 9th Doctors where we never actually saw the Doctor regenerate on screen. There is only one other place where someone could take advantage of a similar situation to insert another past incarnation of the Doctor. Between Troughton and Pertwee. Troughton was forced to regenerate by the Time Lords but we never actually see him become Jon Pertwee. This would have been the perfect place to fit the Jo Martain Doctor as it even comes with a built in excuse for how and why the Time Lords would want to wipe those years from the Doctor's memory and makes way more sense than adding a bunch of pre-Hartnell Doctors that just break continuity. 7. The idea of the timeless child having an unlimited number of regerations was also totally waisted on the wrong character. The Master was said to be on his last regeration the first time we ever see him yet he was able to stay alive and keep regenerating into new incarnations despiting dying multiple times. Making the Master the timeless child would help to explain how the Master keeps regenerating despite being told multiple times that he can't come back. 8. The Weeping Angles in Class. They were teased at the end of the first season but since the show was never renewed for a second season and the main series seems to have no plans to ever pick it up it seems we will never know what the Weeping Angles were up to. 9. Clara and Me have their own TARDIS. It seemed like a set up for a spin off that could follow Clara on her final days before she has to die but nothing is done with them, there was no plans to do anything with them, there's just another TARDIS that looks like a diner flying around that we're never going to see again. 10. Dan... why does he even exist? He was introduced durring the Flux, he did pretty much nothing his entire time on the show and then he leaves at the start of the last episode so what was even the point of him? I forgot his name but also introduced in the Flux and he came back in the last episode, despite never actually officially being a companion on the TARDIS he had a far more interesting story contributing to the plot more in his short time on the series than Dan has the entire time he was there. Dan is the most pointless Doctor Who companion ever when random supporting characters leave a bigger impact than he does.
River isn't (classic) Mel. Melody Pond (Mels for short, not Mel) regenerated 3 times in total, which was mentioned in the show. First regeneration was from the small girl coming out of the spce suit, she's been found somewhere in New York, I think, as a toddler, she said. Then there's the actual Mels growing with Amy and Rory, her parents, who named her after herself, not knowing, who she actually is, meeting the Doctor, shooting his TARDIS and being wounded by Hitler, regenerating a final time into what we know as River Song. The Classic serial's Mel (Melanie Bush) is a totally different person, a former companion of the 7th Doctor. It's definitely not Melody Pond/River Song. Just because their names sound familiar, doesn't mean they have to be the same person.
I think the Doctor hiding the Fob Watch in the Tardis instead of opening it was one of the few things Chibnall did right. The whole timeless child nonsense is hated by most fans, so by doing that we can at least pretend that it never happened. Moffat messing up the order was bad enough but then Chibnall went and not only did that but worse, he also partly ruined the character. The Doctor is a mysterious traveler, helping out if they can, exploring, learning, becoming someone special simply because of who they are. But now they're a special little snowflake that's at the center of the shows lore and basically the reason for everything. Obviously not literally everything but the Time Lords have had a massive impact on the Universe and with Chibnall's dumb ideas, the Doctor is the reason it was all possible. I know he was technically just continuing something that started back with the 4th Doctor but he could have just... not done that. It's not like it was something that we *needed* answers for, especially not *that* answer. Also, I don't think we need to keep recasting the Doctor. I mean, doing it for the 1st Doctor was actually great, seeing as though there is no othe way to get thart incarnation back in the show and they managed to find someone who really looks the Hartnelll And being the first Doctor, he's a really big deal. But lets not get crazy and start recasting War, cause then what about 9 since Eccleston is unlikely to ever come back to the tv show? I think that whether the actor is alive or dead, it's like an insult to them if their Doctor gets recast just because it's possible to do so.
So, there is a "pre-First Doctor"? Add a "post-Last Doctor", and you have a Doctor with a existence timeline with two open ends, with, obviously, endless possibilities... and, don't forget "inserting" another Doctor in between existing Doctors... My head is spinning...
a lot of potential and they just get dropped like that. I didn't realise Camille was in survival, a long time ago but would have been a shock if she found his old umbrella and outfit. but guessing how many centuries passed by, Doc would forget some things. chibnall really screwed it up, while some secrets of the doctor's hidden past would have been interesting but he didn't seem to know what he was doing by the look of how the series screwed up. guess he was one of those who jumps right ahead without setting up a plan.
The War Doctor's role was originally planned to be filled by the 9th Doctor in early drafts. Eccleston was even contacted to reprise the role, but he ultimately declined. So they had to re-write the role.
The Fugitive Doctor as performed by Jo Martin is a moment of inspired clarity in a fog of chaos and confusion. Whatever it takes, magic, a parallel universe, whatever; Jo Martin needs to return.
In fact the cartnell Masterplan sound like Chibnall might have found this ideas and used them. We know now that the Doctor IS in fact a co-founder of the timelords as his DNA created the Race and that "the Other" might have been an incarnation before Hartnell from his time as Division member. I would Like to see Russel T Davies play with that fob Watch...
That's a good one some of these already said so here goes. Classic era start with Susan Foreman a story that started with such promise and fizzled out. Could go for Dodo a character whose story just ended with the War Machines. I'm sure there are others.
yeah Carole Ann Ford is quite open about the fact that she left because after being promised her character would be an interesting alien with telepathic powers and doing lots of cool stuff she was frequently shoved in a dungeon for 3 episodes straight
Hey Who Culture guys, I have been binging your vids the last week or 2 and I have covid so I am basically doing that and nothing else rn. They are really good and enjoyable, even just to have in the background. I want to present a theory for you though. I know the Doctor has been bested multiple times, but the Midnight episode is the one that bothers me the most. My theory is even if A version of the doctor died there, that wouldn't be the end of the Doctor. See the Doctor has a constant idea of what is going to happen, like Trenzalor was where the doctor was going to die, so if there was an anomaly somewhere along his personal time line, he would surely see there was something wrong. So I theorise if the Doctor had died on Midnight, another version of him would of felt ripples as the universe may decend into more chaos than usual, and wojld properly research the planet and everything that could of gone wrong. But as the doctor didn't die, there was no ripples, so I imagine the doctor would of just said "Eh, don't need to worry about it". I think if you see the War Doctor as having alternatives and the doctor sometimes going TimeLord Supreme, then he really could just change anything he wants like. Self preservation at it's best
U wonder if R. T. Davies will finish the story of the timeless child and the fob watch... Or maybe we will all just collectively forget about it, like that time the doctor was half human
The Gwen/Gweneth strongly reminds me Clara, which they also completely ruined! It's also not the first time we've seen the same face twice but yeah, that's the weakest one that I sort of just forgot about.
Oh my. I had to laugh at the pronunciation of Omega. Oh me ga lol It's Oh Ma Ga Anyway, that aside, does everything mentioned need to be answered or further story telling? The only one that was left wanting an answer, is the fob watch, the rest can remain a mystery in my opinion.
The Cartmel Masterplan was NOT a great idea. Much like the whole Timeless Child thing, it makes the Doctor important by default. What actually makes the Doctor great is that he was an underachieving Time Lord, who got sick of their stuffiness and did a runner. It's the fact that the Doctor can't help but help people they encounter is what makes them important, not them being some spurious God-like being. To quote my favourite incarnation: "I am... an idiot! With a box and a screwdriver! Passing through, helping out. Learning."
I would like to know if the 13th doctors fob watch being discarded was Chibnall, RTD or just the BBC in general. I can see it being a Chibnall 'the past shouldn't matter more than the present' storyline, an RTD 'i dont want to pick up that live bomb of a plot thread' or a similar BBC notion as it was a blatantly unpopular plot thread. Im overall happy it was dropped because while it had potential to be interesting it would need to be done right and i dont have faith that would happen during a change in show runner, a missing story is better than a bad one in this case i think.
@@ehisey Chibnal was confirmed gone in July, RTD was confirmed in September and the fob watch was dropped into the bottom of the Tardis in December. RTD was definitely in the picture enough to say get rid of that storyline I don't want it.
I know the Timeless Child has been mentioned already, and it may make it on a future version of this list. I would not surprise me if it never really gets mentioned again and in a few years is given as about as much attention as the Doctor being half human.
Well he started as full human, but became alien in the second season of the Hartnel era. Stays human in the movies (which are part of the in universe setting)
John Barrowman as a gay man becoming a virile swashbuckling ladies' heartthrob in Captain Jack really speaks to the man's acting talents... breaking stereotypes all 'round...
