Dr. Khan Namasthey Salaamaa-Lequm you would be doing a disservice to the people of the entire world 🌍 🌎 in general and all our Indians 🇮🇳 in particular if you confuse the audience by referring to Vedas frequently while you would be quoting from the later day texts called Ithihaasaas Puranas and particularly Manu Dharma Smriti We should do research in Rukkoos of the Rigveda which is the First and Foremost even when you count on Vedas The remaining three contain Mantras of which the true meaning nobody cares to know including those who happen to learn how to recite them. They just recite those Mantras and then get revered and felicitated profusely with monetary rewards cash 💷 💵 💰and kind. Puranas are the real mischief as they belong to a very later days and contain all kinds of trash in like fictitious stories concoctions and make believe telltales! Real Hindu intellects take them just symbolically and not seriously for philosophy and spiritual deep thinking 💭 🤔 I would like modern researchers to look 👀 deep into the Rig Veda first and then the remaining three Vedas too with a special import to the two important burning 🥵 subjects called Caste and untouchability too in Four Vedas. Then they should extensively and intensively churn all the references to Caste and Untouchability not only in the Vedas but also in the Vyakhyaanams Bhashyams and TippaNees because every Sanskrit scholar worth his name interpreted them in different ways - like Vyasa Adi Sankara Ramanuja Madhvacharya and others. We should record for posterity the Vyuthpaththi meanings of Brahmana Kshatriya Vaisya and Sudra One ☝️ more point is there’s no Sudra caste as such - I mean you can never ever find such a caste and in its place you see Pot-makers Car-makers Goldsmiths Blacksmiths Sculptors Carpenters Plumbers and Barbers and several others in different professions and vocations clubbed together and called as a whole lot of Sudras by the other three so called upper castes/ classes. With regard to Bhagavadgita Krishna tells Arjun that He Himself created FOUR CASTE/ CLASS DIVISIONS for no reason and also tells Arjun that He should not be held responsible for such creation of Four Castes Here one ☝️ more important point to note 📝 is Krishna never ever recognizes the very existence of THE MOST IMPORTANT FIFTH CASTE/ CLASS/ GROUPS OF SUB-CLASSES THAT IS LATER DAY UNTOUCHABLES??? All the modern net based half-knowledge possessing religious leaders parading as Vedic & Sanskrit Scholars are trying to interpret the Sloka “CHAATUR VARNAM MAYA SRISHTAM GUNA KARMA VIBHAGASAHA” as something unknown undefined spiritual divisions and not at all social inequalities nor materialistic worldly mean and filthy sources of discriminatory categorizations! Then how could some people with a caste name come from the face of God and then got regarded as top class protocol royals and born intellectuals because they arose from the face of God? It’s utterly nonsensical to believe such inequalities in HUMANITY and that too as a SPECIAL COMMANDMENT from God! Can a God be so partisan to condemn the unfortunate people born in a supposed fictitious caste or class at their very birth which is just a coincidence.
@Akhand Bharat dude... keep your shallow Hindu sentiment in the side and stop getting offended on petty things. You dumbos bhakts have already done enough damage to Hindu society image.
Angiras Samhita 1.48 “He, who continually partakes of a Sudra’s food for one month, becomes a Sudra in this birth and is born as a dog after death. Garuda Purana 1.115.7 "Women perish due to their beauty, penance due to fury, the way due to an undue length and pious brahmana by taking sudra’s food
@Akhand Bharat I can't find them in ur book? RU-vid doesn't allow attaching pictures else I wud have. If u can't find them, lemme know & I can type in sanskrit (will just take time). Bt what's the point? Will u accept the flaws in hindu scriptures if u find the sanskrit version? If u r trying to imply I don't know sanskrit, then u messed with the wrong guy as I do. Infact I am studying at rashtriya sanskrit sansthan.
In that case, why Brahmins have filed supreme Court case opposing law which gives permission for all caste people to become priest, are they not virtuous by guna
Super question. Please Google about sathyavel murugannar. He is the one who fought in court to grant eligibility for all caste people to become priest provided with proper training. But looks like he had gone thru hard time to prove that agamas doesn't promote any caste based difference to become priest. He showed several reference in agamas that it doesn't promote caste based differences to supreme court just Mr ranjan Desai.. The opposite lawyer tried who also must be this called brahmin tried his level best to prevent this sanction. But finally Mr ranjan Desai granted sanction and gave Govt order.
True a man is decided by it qualities and worth not by its caste. Very well said in Vedas. Must read!! Dharma says a person with ability and devotion towards a work should do that work rather than a person who is not worthy of the work even he is born in the family of a king.
Fun fact, shudras have became honorable kings: think Kakatiyas, Marathas. Some don’t belong to the mainstream Hindu society like the Gond tribes but they to rose to be influential kings that married rajputs and gave land grants to Brahmins. Moral of the story, people don’t stay in one position forever.
Angiras Samhita 1.48 “He, who continually partakes of a Sudra’s food for one month, becomes a Sudra in this birth and is born as a dog after death. Garuda Purana 1.115.7 "Women perish due to their beauty, penance due to fury, the way due to an undue length and pious brahmana by taking sudra’s food
Sir you should have shown the photos of those called brahmins like y gee madhuvanthi and not kalaingar and leaders saying they are misinterpreting bhagavad gita.. It is the present brahmin who call themselves that they are "brahmin by birth" and that goes straight against to what Lord Krishna said
Angiras Samhita 1.48 “He, who continually partakes of a Sudra’s food for one month, becomes a Sudra in this birth and is born as a dog after death. Garuda Purana 1.115.7 "Women perish due to their beauty, penance due to fury, the way due to an undue length and pious brahmana by taking sudra’s food
Thank you sir . This verse of Geeta is often misinterpreted. My sir was very orthodox by nature and said that bhagbad Geeta supports caste system. That's why i was offended upon Sri krishna. But you cleared my misconception....... Debarati
Very good. Geeta doesn't allow any discrimination....swapake gavi hastini. It only states the reasons...guna vibhag..sawatic, rajasic and thamasic in several proportions....karma vibhag...past and of this birth...several combinations. Aptitude and efficiency decide duty, dharma and karma OPTIMICED for good of oneself and the whole world.
@Groot In Kerala this process started in the 60s.Several temples of Kerala Devaswam board have priests of all communities. Still a lot of work needs to be done .
@Groot They should n at any cost...Nowhere it is mentioned in Geeta differentiation and it's a duty of brahmin to teach a person knowledge irrespective of his caste creed
@Groot That's why Hinduism grown weaker nowadays it lost its original meaning..People try to delude Geeta taling example of manusmriti which in itself is not an authentic text by any means coz the same manusmriti have various translations none of them.have any authenticity and on basis of such books some evil.minded so called upper caste people caused dividation...But should a.non.authentic book b used to justify anything??
@Groot absolutely brother we should n remember that if u see any priest with no knowledge of truth n Sanatana he is not destined to b a even Brahmin n a Dalit having absolute knowledge of truth n wisdom is a brahmin n deserve to b head of any temple n a true enlighten power...Thats the real Sanatana.. There are many channels who are trying to delude dalits by taking wrong meaning of Geeta and Vedas without understanding them even a bit...Secondly they talk of manusmriti which is not found in 99 percent of hindu households n is not even an authentic text..
Thank you sir for sharing, and its means a lot, One point I like to make is shouldn't we find and point similar statements on western, islamic or communist books which they are pointing on our text even if it is false.
@some stranger . No point talking to the mad ambedkarites that means Radha is also Sinha because she is born in a family of cow herds and of course she is a woman what about Parvati what about Sati ful left the home of the highborn gram induction and married Lord shiva and the Lord Shiva ke man cut down his head that is also caused some everything is casteism Rishi Ramanand accepted people from all caste and profession and made them into spiritual Giants that is also caste is everything is casteism
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@@pagoda-r8f i am confused man many people are saying on quora that bhagwad gita is sexist and racist.Is is true?can you pls explain me?
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@@ritingkardatta4852 i am confused man many people are saying on quora that bhagwad gita is sexist and racist.Is is true?can you pls explain me?
Angiras Samhita 1.48 “He, who continually partakes of a Sudra’s food for one month, becomes a Sudra in this birth and is born as a dog after death. Garuda Purana 1.115.7 "Women perish due to their beauty, penance due to fury, the way due to an undue length and pious brahmana by taking sudra’s food
Caste is invention of Hinduism or sanatan dharma. When people converted to other religions from Hindu eg Sikh, Christianity and Islam their social status didn't change and society didn't forget their caste. That's why you see caste in other religions in india. It's not the case for Muslims and Christians outside india. Main difference between class which you find in almost every feudal society and caste in India is 1. Caste was determined by birth with no social mobility 2. Endogamy no intercaste marriages especially with lower caste or out caste (both are different). Last anybody who is blaming Muslims or British for caste discrimination is purposefully lying.
The Bhagavad Gita says that a person's qualities and karma are not fixed by birth, so caste should not be assigned based on heredity. The Bhagavad Gita also says that the caste of people that are duties of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras are based on their qualities(Guna) and karma(work), not their birth. And there's a concept of paganism,kafirs in both islam and Christianity. Islam: concept of shia, Sunni etc. The divide and rule principle was a well known tactic of Britishers,there was a very similar french system of 1.preists,2.kings,3.farmers, workers,4.slaves. So...the verses of bhagvat geeta prove that the god is against the caste system.
@Alok Mallik go to hell for your kind information my sister is married to a schedule cast my family never discriminated they have two kids don't spread hatred ok go to hell
How can a philosophy as wide and as wise as "Hinduism" belive in caste system ? Ask yourself this question. The philosophy which beleives in us , human beings as atma (soul) and our only, and common father/mother - paramatma, beleive in caste system- which compartmentalises human beings into categories. Sure caste has been made into a tool to make men more powerful and led to centuries of inhuman exploitation, but please, read the books with higher understanding. These were written in highest meditative status that could be achieved only the many many years of meditation practices. I beleive anyone who has understood himself ( the cosmos ,the mind , the intellect and powers of the soul) and experienced even a bit of paramatma will refuse to believe in caste ( no matter how big the propaganda has been/ will been made into).
Angiras Samhita 1.48 “He, who continually partakes of a Sudra’s food for one month, becomes a Sudra in this birth and is born as a dog after death. Garuda Purana 1.115.7 "Women perish due to their beauty, penance due to fury, the way due to an undue length and pious brahmana by taking sudra’s food
@@eyyeff we will interpret Shakespeare in 100 different ways but scriptures be read only according to one interpretation, material terms, one that suits the interpretor. No my friend that is not how one reads scriptures written centuries ago. At least I don't.
@@penpencil6791 Pls educate me on how these shlokas should be interpreted. Pls give evidence for ur interpretation as well if u venture beyond what's written here.
@hola poka it's surprising how educated folks turn their brains off while reading clear cut discriminatory verses. Alhamdulillah for Islam. No caste at all. Everyone is the same in front of God.
no you mean to say that first of all if the very definition of Brahman is no honest then considering them as brahmins is nonsensical , no tell me any language has interpretation based on words and context and the definition that arvind angew is based upon a contact no somebody read without the context and interprets according to his will no is it the interpretation wrong or the context now if you take somebody let swami ramananda who initiated butchers cobblers every kind of people and made them into great sages like swami ravidas tukaram and stuff , does a Brahmin has more authority than swami ramananda !???.. in vaishnavism??....juna akhada takes every people from every caste in fact most of the people in juna akhada on the naga yogesh come from 2 second backward communities even people from very high communities also come and there is no such thing as hierarchy based on birth now juna akhada is Shaiva and advaita so somebody who sits in some remote village who doesn't even know Sanskrit says this is what was written in Gita and it calls himself and worship of Lord Shiva udasi have more authority than Alam mahaprabhu akkamahadevi juna akhada nath sampradaya Kashmiri shayari sem because they all do not mince words !!!...
@@DattaMusics see it is said in kalyuga the Brahmins will be just of name You are just trying to say what people did was the fault of the religion So is Islam religion of terrorism or Christianity of colonialism
No society in history or the future can exist without classes. Thats a fact. some will be more privileged than the others. That is not to be confused with birth-based position but sort of meritocracy because of ur Karma
@@localmartian9047 yes brother you are right. Even forget (subjective, and hence useless) concept of karma we should adopt a more global/quantifiable/accepted metric to assess human worth. Money is the best metric to judge a man's worth in my opinion, since nothing else comes close. Virtues? Actions? Convoluted interpretations of mythological texts for new-age millenials to gain youtube followers? all done ultimately for Master Money. And like you (rightfully) acknowledge, there will be inequality. Those who do not believe in power of money shall languish and those who worship laxmi devi will prosper....
Sir thank u you for sharing this. I thought maby times that why should a holy book supports casteism. But here I understand that it doesn't supports casteism. Shri krishna puts forth that there is no communities at all rathar than untouchbility.Sll people we are humans.there is no castes among us,isn't it?
According to Shastra, no such thing as fixed caste. One's Varma duty is given by KṚṢṆA One's Varna is determined by one's own karma and revealed in the karmic map of their astrological birth chart, not ones family. If anyone wants to know their actual Varna they can find it written in their astrological birth chart. www.thevedicway.org/varnasrama-dharma/ www.dropbox.com/s/ffylg01lto4xi5m/VarnasGanas.xlsx?dl=0
The Gita is a book that divides human beings into four and constructs caste into strata. If one refuses to fight on the battlefield, then he should be made to fight. He who stands on the battlefield must understand war, that is his clan's dharma. This is what he establishes at the end of this book. Everyone should do his own clan dharma. If you do that, there is no rebirth. You will go directly to moksha without bus plane rocket. This is your opinion that if you refuse to do such clan dharma, you will be reborn. Why are you still clinging to these imaginary myths and crying? Remember the pull you did to tamil will be considered.
What about Gita Chapter 9 verse 32 where it's mentioned that women, shudras and vaishyas are papi-yoni or lower birth. How much will you hide?!! Manuvadies🤣🤣
The verse states that in the path of devotion, there is no distinction between higher and lower classes of people. This is in contrast to the material conception of life, where there are such divisions. The verse also states that God is not concerned with the time or place where we perform devotion, but only with the love in our heart. The verse in question is: मां हि पार्थ व्यपाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः । स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रास्तेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम् ॥ First, a simple translation: “Even those who are पापयोनयः, such as women, Vaishyas and Shudras, who take refuge in me, even they attain the highest state.” The word that causes controversy and confusion is पापयोनयः - Those who know grammar will recognize that this is a samāsa which can have two possible derivations/meanings: पापयोनयः = पापा योनिः येषां ते, पापं जन्म येषां ते इत्यर्थः (बहुव्रीहि) “those whose birth is sinful” पापयोनयः = पापस्य योनयः, पापस्य कारणाः इत्यर्थः (षष्ठीतत्पुरुष) “those who are the cause of sin” Even by basic standards, the first one is quite a bit forced in its meaning. The second one has the more natural meaning according to the context of the verse. Why does the first meaning seem artificial and forced? Well, look at who speaks it - Krishna himself! Throughout his life, Krishna has never disrespected a woman or a person of Vaishya or Shudra caste. In fact, at every opportunity, Krishna has always stood up for the rights, dignity and equality of these groups. He has always acted to defend and protect the freedom and equality of these groups. Some examples: He responded to Rukmini’s love letter when she was being forced against her will to marry Shishupala, and he fought and defeated Rukmi who pursued him and Rukmini after he “kidnapped” her with her permission lol He did the same for his sister Subhadra, who was in love with Arjuna, going so far as to advice Arjuna to allow Subhadra to drive the horses, so that people who watch them run away know that the lady is acting according to her free will, and is not being forcefully abducted by Arjuna. And the too-well-known affection and friendship between him and Draupadi, whom he helped miraculously during her disrobing by Duhshasana.
You say Kannan is the one who taught this. He had affairs with many women. This is a good proof of the evils that his teaching that five men can marry one woman can bring to the town. But nothing in the Gita has any message about the modern world which is surprising. By reading it you have to do your kuladharma in the end. A book that has spread a lot of imaginary news. Read and live by it first.
Mountstuart Elphinstone [governor of Bombay province] in a written reply to the House of Commons in August 5, 1832 on *mobility in India despite the caste system* : "Notwithstanding the institution of castes, there is no country where men rise with more ease from the lowest rank to the highest. The first nabob (now king) of Oude, was a petty merchant; the first peishwa, a village accountant; the ancestors of Holcar were goatherds; and those of Scindia, slaves. All these, and many other instances, took place within the last century. Promotions from among the common people to all the ranks of civil and military employment, short of sovereignty, are of daily occurrence under native states, and this keeps up the spirit of the people, and in that respect partially supplies the place of popular institutions. _The free intercourse of the different ranks also keeps up a sort of circulation and diffusion of such knowledge and such sentiments as exist in the society. Under us, on the contrary, the community is divided into two perfectly distinct and dissimilar bodies, of which the one is torpid and inactive, while all the sense and power seems concentrated in the other…_ " Source: Dow, Alexander, The History of Hindostan, vol. I, Today & Tomorrow’s Printers & Publishers, 1973, first published 1770., page 32.
Angiras Samhita 1.48 “He, who continually partakes of a Sudra’s food for one month, becomes a Sudra in this birth and is born as a dog after death. Garuda Purana 1.115.7 "Women perish due to their beauty, penance due to fury, the way due to an undue length and pious brahmana by taking sudra’s food
Most of the antiHindus were/are Brahmins or some other caste. D N Jha, RS Sharma,Romila Thapar, Bipin Chandra, Vinod Sharma, Sagarika, Rajdeep,Ravish Kumar(Pandey),Punya Prasun, Abhisaar Sharma, Nidhi Razdan, Barkha Dutt Kanhaiya Kumar(Bhumihar),the list is very long... communists, Hindus who r anti-Hindus in Bollywood, judiciary r mostly Brahmins or some other upper caste. The list is endless
Untouchability was always there in Hinduism. Casteism and untouchability are centric to Hinduism. If Hindus doesn't practice these things your Dharma will die and your progeny will become varna sankar.
There are only one or two fuckin shlokas about varna system in rig veda..and there too it mentions about work based varna system..and u say caste is centric to hinduism..my foot..🤡
@@rajeshkandukuri1042 There are not two or three shlokas about castes/varnas almost every religious books viz. 4 Vedas, 108 Upanishads, 18 puranas and Manusmriti, Naradsmriti, yagyavalkya Smriti have caste bigotry. What else remain to mention. Casteism is centric to Hinduism without this Hinduism is nothing.
@@humanistalways and all those books say varna is based on qualities and skills..For example.. Manusmriti 10/65. (Thus) a Shudra attains the rank of a Brahmana, and (in a similar manner) a Brahmana sinks to the level of a Shudra; and know that it is the same with the offspring of a Kshatriya or of a Vaisya...Now buzz off...u nincompoop
Perfect example dronacharya a bramhin but fights like Kshatriya in kurukshetra. So privileges in those times are not given on birth. Valmika Maharishi who is a tribal theif was made into a Maharishi by son of bramha , narada Maharishi and we know bramha holds Vedas in his hand.
You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say that caste system was introduced by westerners and dravidian politicians, and on the other hand you say Arjuna was proud of his jati. I assume Arjuna preceeded westerners and Dravidian politicians. So what are you trying to say ? You can't have it both ways. Moreover the statue of equality to honor Ramanujar was erected few days ago. That man lived 1000 years ago. If everyone were treated equal during his times, he would not have fought for equality and there is no need for statue of equality.
But we also agree that caste system existed before colonial era. Krishna himself said that CULTURAL NORMS MUST CHANGE WITH TIME and that the caste system must eventually be restructured or completely removed in the future. The WHOLE STORY OF MAHABHARATA revolves around Karna trying to bring equality to all regardless of caste/background as he was discriminated his whole life for being a charioteer and Karna is the HERO. We Hindus criticise our own history and are always up for debate and change because we don’t have one book that governs everything. The Upanishads criticise the Vedas for saying that Brahmins are higher and questions the fundamental nature of reality. Also Heirarchies exist in every society to ever exist, including chimps. It was always meant to be according to one’s talents and abilities RATHER THAN BIRTH. Most ignorant deluded people unnecessarily hate a harmless religion like Hinduism while other religions are actively practicing the persecution and beheading of homosexuals and apostles using fear and guilt.
Its clear that as the cast by birth became stronger , the Bharatvarsh became so weak that after 1192, the invaders were able to enter and rule. Many Bharatvasis haven't yet learnt their lessons. Now these invaders have converted some bharatvasis whom they are now using to further break and control this civilisation. Bharatiya need to learn lessons from history fast.
Yeah the problem is so many people are confusing in the difference between Caste and Varna Cast is Jati Varna is class based on work Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 Verse 13 | chatur varayam maya srishtam guna karma vibhagahah | The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to people’s qualities or nature and activities or occupation
Ramanuja acharya was neither a colonialist nor Marxist , but he clearly supported caste by birth idea and forbade both women and Shudras from Vedic education
Lord Krishna clearly says in Bhagavat Gita 4.13 that the four varna and four ashrams have been made by Him according to one's Guna (qualities) & Karma (work). But unfortunately, today the caste system has become based on Janma (Birth).
Why independent India can't formulate a law and remove CASTE inequalities.....where menial & shady jobs like- cleaning the gutter can be done by Brahmins also. Let hindu society respect the DALITS too on equal footing as they respect the Brahmins. Stop citing Geeta & see around, how this Hindu society is controlled by the upper castes.
Angiras Samhita 1.48 “He, who continually partakes of a Sudra’s food for one month, becomes a Sudra in this birth and is born as a dog after death. Garuda Purana 1.115.7 "Women perish due to their beauty, penance due to fury, the way due to an undue length and pious brahmana by taking sudra’s food
@@eyyeff Well, I have the freedom take knowledge from "Bhagavad Gita" and reject the scripture that you are mentioning. I can quote hundreds of things from K. But, that's not my nature and mutually respect K. Move from "I believe" mentality to "who ami I" mentality. You see some sanity in life..Take care.
@@venkatramachandran2912 Sir, u said u have the freedom to reject other scriptures. Could you pls enlighten me how u were authorised to take that decision? Also, doesn't your rejection imply that except for Gita, all other scriptures are not from God? Lastly, why Gita? We know it cannot be traced back to the original sources/manuscripts so what other factors make it more reliable than others. Would be helpful if you could quote scriptural evidences in support of your response. Feel free to challenge Quran as well. God gave us intellect so we shouldn't be believing anything blindly. Infact Quran itself encourages observation. So as long as we agree to civility, feel free to raise as many queries on Qur'an as u wish. The only request I would have is that if u r learned enough on Islam and Arabic language, then we couls handle it as a discussion but if you aren't, then I request you to have an open mind and let me inform you as in that case I am better placed and read on the matter. Intellectually observing and asking questions doesn't mean I don't respect you sir. I am a muslim by choice, not by chance. I have studied various religious scriptures. I am familiar with sanskrit. Thus I raise awareness about various religions. If I am wrong, educate me. If I am right, accept my statements. Either way, if we have an open mind and still don't arrive at consensus, I would hope for your guidance & still be friendly with you. Coz Islam teaches me that. Saying you are wrong doesn't meant hating you. Infact, in a way it means loving u coz one who criticizes does so in order to correct the other person, not humiliate him. Ur who am I point is extremely valid. I am a nobody, so are u. Which is why I am quoting scriptures. Qur'an for me is the word of god, not sure what is for u. We both give those scriptures authority. Our religions are based on those scriptures. So let's see what they say. & that's what I have done from the first comment onwards. Lastly, since u take Gita as authority, here u go; Gita 18.41 “Of Brahmanas, Kshtriyas and Vaishyas, as also the Sudras, O Arjuna, the duties are distributed according to the qualities born of their own nature.” Thus caste isn't based on profession, caste and profession are assigned based on birth. Gita 9.32 ”For those who take refuge in Me. O Partha, though they be of sinful birth- women, Vaisyas, and Sudras even they attain the Supreme Goal.” Gita 1.41-43 “By the prevalence of impiety, O Krishna, the women of the family becomes corrupt. Women corrupted, there will be intermingling of castes (Varna-Samkara), O descendant of Vrishnis. Confusion of castes leads the family of these destroyers of families also to hell; for, their forefathers fall (down to hell), deprived of the offerings of pinda (rice-ball) and water. By these evil deeds of the destroyer of families which cause the intermingling of castes, the eternal dharmas of castes and families are subverted.”
@@eyyeffListen Madarsachap Terrorist ☪️huslim, The Holy Shrimad Bhagavad Gita is not a book which describes moral, ethics or what should be done in the society and what not, Gita doesn't discuss about personal things, Gita is a book for Self-realization (Who Am I), Gita gives knowledge of the Brahmān (The Ultimate Reality) through various paths like Bhakti Yog (devotion), Karma Yog, Gyan Yog, Raj yog etc 18.41 of BG tells that the very fundamental nature (Swabhav) of a person leads to his quality of Karma, it means If a person's nature or mindset is to doing good for others then his Karma's quality will be automatically good and similarly if a person's nature is to harm others like that mindset of a terrorist then that person's karma's will eventually bad and thus the consequences will be bad, 41th Verse of 18th chapter describes that a person's qualities of Karma born from the very fundamental nature/swabhav of that person, so tell where does this verse supports birth based castesism ? 9:32 of BG states that women, vaisyas, surdas whomever the society think that they are of sinful births, even they can attain liberation through my devotion Here Lord Krishna states that all living beings are one infront of him, because he is impartial to every living being as he is the omnipotent God And chapter 1 of the BG is named as Arjun Vishad Yog (Grief of Arjun), in the midst of the Great Kurukshetra war Arjun become very terrified as his grand sire Bhishm Pitamah, his guru Dronacharya and his all close relatives were infront of him to fight with him, Arjun knows he can kill all of the bad people but because of extreme attachment he became hopeless and cry, he thought that how can I kill my own people ? Because of this attachment Arjun told Lord Krishna all weird things because he was very confused what to do and what to not do, Arjun told those things to Lord Krishna which he himself doesn't believe like Varn Shankar (child born from woman who married other cast man), Arjun's this state of mind reflects every person who is in the midst of life and can't able to decide what is right and what is not right, that's why Lord Krishna didn't uttered even one word in chapter 1 because chapter 1 is the questions of Confused Arjun to Lord Shree Krishna and to answer that Lord Krishna provide Arjun profound philosophical and scientific insights in remaining 17 chapters which is called the knowledge of the self/Self-realization So tell me where does the Holy Srimad Bhagavad Gita supports caste system ? Where it doesn't even adress anything related to material world, rascals like you never read and understand the insights of our holy scriptures and try to degrade them, people like you should put behind the jail and should be severely punished for trying to divide sanatan dharm
Everything is fine but what about shankar varna ya shankar jati in bhagwat geeta what would you think about this bcz it promotes casteism and many people or priest use this verse to prove that intercaste marriage is wrong and give eg like you can not marry a donkey and lion etc that is very casteist remark
Vedic Varna classification is applicable to any society - Priests, Military, Business and Agriculturists, and Artisans/laborer where nobody is above or below, and should not be confused with the European caste stratification to conquer and destroy natives in all continents. The divisive European caste and casteism were introduced to divide, startify, constitutionalize, and destroy HinduPagans and Africans in both continents of India and Africa by the European racist fascist colonoizers. This caste has been a powerful and persistent trope, even though many specialists, such as the veteran sociologist Joseph Elder, have listed seven errors in the popular Western understanding of caste. One of these was that ‘Castes are uniquely Hindu’. He wrote that in India, ‘castes exist among Christians, Jains, Sikhs, Buddhists, and Muslims.’ Frequently the rules about marrying within one’s caste and avoiding interactions with other castes are as strict among Christians, Muslims, etc. Elder also puts his finger on a key element of its durability. This was that the British colonial imperial racist regime deployed it in its legal and political system. The American anthropologist Morton Klass pointed out that the Portuguese and Spanish were themselves just evolving a system of ethnic and social stratification by biological ancestry; it was for this reason that they immediately assumed that Indian jāti endogamous groups were aimed at maintaining ‘purity of blood’.
This is highest level of idiocracy by Brahmins to justified their things by just blaming British for everthing while Brahmins were the happiest people during British rule. They only translated those literature . Don't you know the difference between translation and change
People like you are brain d e a d. You are the definition of ignorance and unnecessary hatred, pathetic. You desperately try to defame a harmless religion like Hinduism while religions out there teach beheading of infedels and conversion via fear. It is stated word for word in the Vedas that the caste system is NOT HERIDITARY but is simply a social system that divides people based on skills and labour. Also when did Brahmins justify their acts??? Any Brahmin who discriminates other castes and feels superior is simply an egotistical fool who dosent know the truth behind the Gita.
Exactly, Brahmins were the happiest during the British rule because the British catered specifically towards them while they treated the rest poorly and exploited cultural differences to further worsen the caste system. THE BRITISH ARE THE MAIN CAUSE AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. But we also agree that caste system existed before that but Krishna himself said that CULTURAL NORMS MUST CHANGE WITH TIME and that the caste system must eventually be restructured or completely removed in the future. People like you are a disgrace to the beauty of Sanatana Dharma. The WHOLE STORY OF MAHABHARATA revolves around Karna trying to bring equality to all regardless of caste/background as he was discriminated his whole life for being a charioteer and Karna is the HERO. We Hindus criticise our own history and are always up for debate and change because we don’t have one book that governs everything. The Upanishads criticise the Vedas for saying that Brahmins are higher and questions the fundamental nature of reality. Also Heirarchies exist in every society to ever exist, including chimps. It was always meant to be according to one’s talents and abilities RATHER THAN BIRTH.
@@shysmy19 I know British took the benefit of caste system for their rule to going on ,but why shouldn't they?? If it was freely available for anyone then anyone in the world would have taken the benefit of caste system , so don't blame brits for everthing. Brits made the education for all but when Dalits students like Ambedkar went to study then British didn't oppose him but those are the Brahmins or upper caste who opposed him or many oter dalit student . If Ambedkar was a problem for British then they would have opposed him at every stage but no, they never opposed him but it's the other indian freedom fighters like Gandhi Nehru, Hindu nationalist who opposed Ambedkar and his ideology. British ends the many system like Sati pratha , the uncovered breasts pratha in keral for lower caste people and many more. And british didn't exploited lower caste people , bcz I know they suffered under British too but wait ,they were suffereing for many thousands years and they don't have their own property ,which they can claim theirs , so yeah British didn't exploit them as they don't have anything to be exploited and yes used them labours like they were made used to by so called upper class people or kings. And I'm not disgrace to sanatan dharma or vedic dharma but it's the Vedic brahman dharma or culture which is disgrace to india for thousands of years and should be ends. So I don't even consider myself as part of this fake religion.
'In the indigenous vernacular schools, *‘parents of good caste do not hesitate to send their children to schools conducted by teachers of an inferior caste and even of a different religion. . . . this is true of the Chandal, and other low caste teachers enumerated.’* - William Adam, British Baptist Minister appointed by the colonial govt to do a census on native schools of Bengal, _Reports on the State of Education in Bengal 1835 and 1838_ page 228.
@@basisOn123 ...then tell next Hinduism is invented by British people..let it be ...If casteism is the invention of British people...Are you ready to leave it and treat others equally...belief is not only refuting but also accepting what you claim...right dude...
The ground reality as such is never seen. Even the man who is known the Bhagwat Gita devotee has always seen in the caste system discrimination. Sir how many sages, saint are found in our surroundings that really know the interpretation of Gita. The Bhagwat Gita has so potential of human pathfinder , then why the Hindu families still follow caste discrimination... Are they dont want to break their privileges or they are unknown about Bhagwat Gita
Some divine activities don't define a brahmin. A brahmin is defined by qualities. A brahmin can be a sweeper , lawyer , doctor etc. No particular task is assigned for a brahmin or shudra.
Thanks for enlightening me about it. If you preach something and follow something then anyone can criticize it. Let's practice what is good and right and preach it. Let me ask you a few simple questions hope you would be able to answer these 1. You are preaching it's not based on birth but it has been followed by the birth for centuries. since when it started practicing by birth? why no one opposed it ? 2. if we understand the Gita well now, then why don't we go to each village and teach it and correct it. 3. why don't in we tell that Brahman is a state of mind and it can be achieved by anyone by practicing it. 4. RSS is a Hindu organization, what are the efforts made by them to remove it? Why do they keep silent whenever there are caste-based attacks on the lower caste. The change will not happen overnight t but continuous efforts have to be made to stop this nonsense. 5. How many people or communities will come forward and accept it? 6. You blamed those who are the victims of the caste system but the fact is people who were oppressed never followed the Bhagavad Gita. 7. Find the solution you think of and work on it for to remove it. when we keep busy ourselves blaming others will never come up with a solution. Please save humanity by removing it.
manusmriti can't even be considered as religious book it's a law book with severe interpolation and there is no need of such book these are third type book
That was the point my friend. Draupadi later confessed to krishna that she did wrong in insulting karna and she also somewhat loves him. For this only , yudhishthira saw her in hell.
@@s.p.harisprasanth4682 read the story of satyakam jabala who was son of a prostitute but because was truthful , got admission into the gurukul. This story is in one of the Vedas "I am barb , my father is a Physician and my mom grinds corn..." Rig Veda 9.112.3
@@s.p.harisprasanth4682 Dronacharya did partiality not because of caste but because he loved Arjuna and didn't want anyone succeed.later, he regretted his mistake. This was the point.
A man may lie but not acreage. It is clearly stated in the first part of the Gita itself. Word comes that if you do not kill them, Arjuna, they will destroy the women of your family and there will be a clash of clans. In other words, when it comes to a problem, what they will say is that it has been translated incorrectly, and that is what you agree with. Or you will paint it so full of that word that the word has been split up.
Buddha has given the same concept about caste that's the reason whoever read tripithak and Gita combine gets into confusion that Buddha was 9th avatar of bhagvaan Vishnu
@@chiragsharma5050 my question still haven't been answered. Even for the sake of argument let's agree that there is no caste system hindu texts. Why did that practice existed for centuries even in temple and rituals. That is my question. Simply quoting here and there is not sufficient. It is like IT minister saying, we have strict laws so spying with Pegasus is not possible. Let us reflect on this bit deeper than whatsapp type responses. Honest reflection on this will help but India and Hinduism to reach higher level. Thank you.
@@ViswaMitrann because of islamic invasion and brits misconception arises core of hinduisms is Atman equal brhaman means god lie in your self if some people understand hinduism wrong that dost not mean it is wrong . Trust me iam ex atheist when I read gita and upnishid my view of life changed
He who see me in every thing actually see . Say gita it dost not say except brhaman .if a equal b how can it be that b is not equal to a . Think about it .
@@chiragsharma5050 Trust me, I am a practicing hindu since birth and from a family supporting and maintaining temple for 4 generations. My questions are valid and I strongly believe facing those question bravely and honestly will resolve lots unnecessary waste of human energy in India and will truly take the ideals of Hinduism to the world. Bogus claims, diverting and blaming others won't help. Once again, I thank you for sharing your thoughts. Stay blessed. 🙏
Nobody in this country is gona read verse by verse of bhagavadgita , accept & follow the same ... The real meaning has changed in tiers in each period not only by the ruling hindus ... being realistic ... people only follow & accept what they see ..!! the real thing has been changed .. and hence the system supports casteism ..!! if organisation want to prove that bhagavadgita doesnt support casteism it has to do immense amount of work to reverse the process ....!!!
So where did your krishna says castism it bad and throw that thing away. everyone is equal and you don't have to take any identities based on birth? And why don't you agree these things are only written by some men who happened to be born before you?
First learn the difference between caste and Varna caste is Jati Varna is working class , Bhagwat Geeta nowhere mentioned Varna identity is based on birth keep this in mind that varna I didn't is completely based on work not birth
Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 Verse 13 | chatur varayam maya srishtam guna karma vibhagahah | The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to people’s qualities or nature and activities or occupation
@@pedadasiddardha5492 so what is the difference between varna and caste.. You are saying caste is based on birth and varna is not.. Any anyone can change their varna if they upgrade themselves right..
@@vijayshanmugam7160 that's what I am also telling you should know the fact that Varna is not fixed anyone can change anytime , I can give you that reference also
moreover bhagavadgita is souly related to mahabharatha .... journey of karna is enough to support casteism .. bhagavadgita is the advice given to arjuna by krishna ... if it was given to karna thn the entire system would have collapsed ..!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
If a book tell us that particular varna is swarsetha unhe khana dena punya kam h etc etc y sb Krishna n likha h? If some policies even doesn't work how can ppls follow this? They say that only kashrtiya can fought then what happened in past at the time of mughals & britisher if policies doesn't even work then basically it's a shit or nothing else
@@MaheshKumar-vw6uo The verse states BG 9.32: All those who take refuge in Me, whatever their birth, race, sex, or caste, even those whom society scorns, will attain the supreme destination. The verse accepts the fact that society generally scorns women. It nowhere says women are sinners. www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/9/verse/32
@@MaheshKumar-vw6uo And please refer 4.13 verse it clearly states the varnas are based on character and actions of a person and not by birth. But crooked people in our country practiced caste based on birth. There is difference between varna and Jati
@vishal gautam no wherr it is mentioned as inherited. Via Krishna the the reality of women, shudras, being ill treated by the socitey is mentioned. He says through the path of bhakti they too can attain supreme destination. There are lot of misinterpretations in translation. The life of Adi Sankaracharya shows how a butcher spoke of vedanta to Adi Shankara. So I think the verses are clear but some crooked people who wanna retain there supremacy made these varnas into birth based. The stories of Valmiki and Vishwamitra also shows a Kshatriya can become a bhramana by changing is character. Most of the present day Bhramin caste people doesnt have true sattvic character. So most of them are not bhramin by varna. This is my thought. This is evident from Sri Ramakrishna who considered Swami Vivekananda a kayastha caste born as a bhramin
@vishal gautam www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/9/verse/32 nothing is mentioned as born sinners. Sinners and women are mentioned parallely because socitey treated both in a wrong way back those day. The socitey at that time treated women and shudras in a wrong way. But Krishna says he will treat all his bhaktas equally irrespective of how socitey treat them. Fools who wanna criticise bhagavth gita for their selfish needs fails to notice this point. Krishna mentions inequality in socitey but in his path of bhakti all his bhaktas are equal.
Karna was humiliated because he was considered to be a lower caste person by birth even though he had all the talents of a kshatriya. Ekalavya was denied education by Dhronacharya because of his birth. Now, you guys conveniently interpret Bhagavad Gita in a way that suits you. Bhagavad Gita originated in the lifetime of Karna and Ekalavya. Krishna could have corrected the society in his lifetime. Arjuna need to have been so casteist and mysogynist when is a friend of Krishna.
@@darwinhubc7481 So even though he was a king, he was denied education by Dronacharya? Your comment suggests that the caste system was overpowering that even a king could not do anything.
land language which is called Sanskrit and then translate the words that he is talking about then I will find all of your bull shit is bull shit by definition .... Manusmriti and Bhagavad Gita se different things about caste and that is true telling a lie a thousand times does not make it true
@@DattaMusics you are not getting it manusmriti is not to be followed All the bull shot is because you don't want to change your bias against Hinduism by exploiting casteism The truth is casteism is not a part of Hinduism and the truth doesn't changes if someone says it false
@@sayanhalder6752 read what I have said again!!!,I am talking about the person who commented here can I am saying things against him don't interpret things here and there an act like a absolute stupid person!!!.......I live in a kalibari !!! More Hindu than u will ever be!!!!
