I'd probably still recommend the CS5060 to 60-70% of people. While the CS6575 are faster on the flats and downhills, the lightness of the CS5060 feels nicer on the climbs.. although depending on your speed and the gradient, the CS6575 may be quicker on the climbs too! Either way, more choice is always good, and if you don't know which one to go for, hit us up over on Panda Podium and we can give advice based on your weight, FTP and what kind of roads you usually ride. If I could only have one set, I'd probably have the CS5060, If I could have two sets, I'd have the CS4045 and the CS6575; the two extremes.
Jesse Cole is going to be doing a China build - did you see the video - he mentions you. Time for a parts list for his build. I'd be really interested in that.
With the 6575's, do they come with one piece tubeless valve stems, or shorter stems with extenders? I loved my rim brake HED Jet 60's. I need a second set for my disc brake bike to go with my 303FC's. Was looking at the new Bora WTO C23 60's.
@@ChinaCycling I reckon you would also need to get an Aeropod as well for a complete picture as having the CDa portion of it would help to give an actual value to the difference. This is something that I haven't seen people do yet and I don't have the finances to be able to do that myself.
Why dont you want a thin tire in the front and wide in the back? Wide in the back because of aero does not,matter that much behind the frame and most of the riders weigh will be on the rear wheel and wider wheel in back will give you a more subtle ride. You want a thinner wheel in the front because you will have a less frontal area to cut through the wind? Thats what I have heard anyway.
Ordered mine last week. Have had the 5055 for 6 months and they have been great - even when I had issues with my bearings your customer support over at panda podium were great. Keep up the good work.
Very similar. Prices in general of Chinese brands seem to be creeping up these days though. This model "ATTACK" I think is great value for money for a race bike, but as always, it depends what you're comparing to.
Thanks for sharing. I've learned that deeper wheels like this one will be more beneficial for heavier riders. Maybe because you are a lighter rider, it's a bit sketchy in your case.
Best cycling reviewer on RU-vid, period.. Amazing work Joe.. You nailed it with really logical testing and real distance on the runs.. TBH I think PT 1Km is not useful due to the start stop changes for body position and acceleration, and lack of held speed to really see how great the aero is... The Gilbley looks like a game changer... Dude massive respect, this is great work 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Benji. For the aero testing, there are pros and cons of each. I also prefer longer runs for the reasons you said. Shorter runs you can go faster for 'cleaner' data, but if you're not usually riding at those speeds, it's useless, as you'll be measuring how fast the wheels ride in unrealistic shallow yaw angles and fast air. In theory, the better the aero sensor the slower you can test and get good data. I try test the Gibili at around ~37kph, as thats a reasonable speed to ride at on the flats for mortals. My test protocol is also less than perfect, but perfection takes time which is something I don't have too much of. As always, thanks for watching.
I love deep wheels, I solely ride Parcours Chrono all year round and they're 68/75mm. Modern wheels handle so well now that deep wheels are only in issue in something like +20mph crosswinds and even then it's still manageable, you just have to pay a little more attention. I'll never ride anything else, it's free speed.
yeah, If I was 60kg I think I'd ride them every ride. 50/60 is probably more suitable for me, but... the 6575 also an option. I wouldn't regret either. Whatever happened to Parcours anyway...?
@@ChinaCycling didn't mean that last part to come across as 'preachy'. I weigh about 75kg and average 37kph on my 50km loop so deep wheels very much suit my needs! Brilliant video though, maybe a few more people will be wiser to how much better deep wheels have now got. Not sure, haven't heard anything new from Parcours for a while.
They look awesome. Crazy light for such deep wheels… i have some 56,5mm deep wheels and they weigh about the same. Very tempting indeed. Needless to say they would look even better on a full aero frame with deeper tubes/sections
I got the CS5060 at their most popular time. I got the gold logo wheelset. They were packaged immaculately (unlike DTSwiss GEC1400s I bought). I had to wait a little, but Tom got me sorted. Best wheels ever. It's like getting some Lightweight Meilenstein's for $1680. CRW is now my go to wheelset.
Scope has just come out with a monster range of wheels that massacre everything out there, even these, on pure performance, but they cost 4000€ so CRW still have the value advantage.
TY nice review! Im about to buy new carbon wheels. Only drag for me is that here are kinda bad roads and I ride 32mm or even 35mm in winter. How it will effect the wider tire the performance? Is it worth it go taller. I go hilly terrain to so 50/60 might be better…
Huge updates coming to the website in the few months, especially around finding wheels, etc. Stay tuned, and thanks for the feedback. In the meantime you can use the search function to search for a brand, or each brand also has a page where you can see all products from that brand.
@@ChinaCycling Thank you! I had just noticed it a few minutes ago actually. It works great if the brand only has one product type but for example if I'm looking for a wheelset by Magene, filtering by brand or by type would still give me more results than I want. Looking forward to the new updates!
How's the crosswind stability on these? I'm 55kg and am in the market for a nice road wheelset. Mostly flat where I live so these seem like a very good option.
Appreciate going to the effort of actually doing scientific testing! Did you ride as seen around 9:30? I'm really surprised you ended up with a 0.27 if it was actually a TT style position for your size
I just want them to ditch the asymmetric depths. 65/65 or 70/70 and I'm sold. Same goes for the rest of Craft's lineup. Also 3 Craft logos triangulated (think Enve, Zipp) without the subtext would look mega.
Hello! Will there be a 40t - Engagement freehub body offering like ENVE? Although, 75 deep freehub body sounds like an F1 car. It's really nice to see a premium Chinese brand wheels with 25mm internal widths. 28mm tires looks like the perfect aero profile and, it's lighter than my ENVE 4.5
Unofficially, you can change the freehub internals to the old style DT Swiss ones. So, any DT star ratchet should work. A few customers out there riding higher tooth count. Just gotta watch out because they wear out quicker.
Wouldn't be a faster set up going 75mm up front and going for speed and low weight 30 mm at the back. The air is far too dirty at the back for anything unless a full disc wheel to do some improvements on the air flow, imo
For an overall course, yes... thats the "fastest" way to build wheels. But, everyone will think it looks ugly and nobody will buy it. Welcome to the bike industry.
You're really good proof that watts/CdA is what matters on flat terrain and not raw watts. IME it's really hard to get people to believe this but I know bigger riders that need to do nearly 100W more than you to hold 40kph.
I wouldn't say you're biased as long as what you're saying is as accurate as you make it. So, I think you're interested, in that you have an interest because you sell them, but I wouldn't say you're biased.
Thanks! Everyone has a bias, I just like to be open and transparent so everyone can make their own decisions based on what I'm saying and what motivation I have for saying it. Influencer marketing is pretty sketchy these days, so I try to be as transparent as possible.
the deep wheels look somewhat odd to me on that frame. Maybe its because of the small size you're riding. Can you put them on a larger size one in one of your next videos?
Haha, if i grow taller I can put them on a larger frame. Hahaha. But for sure, I know what you're saying. I'll put them on a mate's bike and get some shots.
People making 88s back in the day had like 19mm internal. The chord length was super long. Because these are so fat, the chord length is much more reasonable. (Like a 50mm from back in the day.) Nobody* a decade ago was making 75mm deep wheels this fat...
Besides the wind and weight the other factor to take into account is terrain, if you ride mostly flat great choice but you might feel the weight and bulkyness of those wheels on rolling terrain or hills.
nice content! would you review Pertual wheels anytime soon? another Xiamen based brand, having all the best features: - 1. Princeton/Zipp wavy rim 2. Campagnolo patterned spokes 3. DT Swiss hub i am hugely intrigued to get a pair of Pertual Sharp 6270 to put on my tt bike
@@ChinaCycling thanks, look forward to your review; in simple terms though, go or no go? the price seems too good to be true for the technology and features it possesses
MORE subjective testing is always good for the world! Though I'm just curious about the testing protocols, namely the tyre choices and how you separate rolling resistance? The tyre seems not the fastest ones, maybe GP5k STR would make more sense? For anyone spend such amount of money on wheels I don't believe they will cheap out on tyres, unless hugely ill-informationed. For the wheel depth it's actually quite fine! I run 50mm front and 88mm rear without any problem for years, and I always regret that I should go 60mm front because the wind thing is not that serious at all. I think you should ride them long term and you'll be convinced that deeper is better. Shallower rims are more of a conventional habit thing or weight ego. Flat road makes most of the roads and that weight difference for performance is just marginal.
Yeah, I'm using third-tier contis. I'm fairly sure they're the same shape as the G5000 and have the same aero tread on the shoulder, so for aero purposes, no difference. Rolling resistance is higher, but thats probably just pushing up the CdA readings of both wheels a bit. As long as A and B are the same tire, tube and pressure... should be fine for comparison. I would also prefer GP5000 all round, but buying 10+ pairs starts to add up. Haha.
why would the wind angle be less on the back...? Also you can't scale up your results for larger riders. The size of the wheel and its drag in watts doesn't change when the rider is bigger. Smaller riders will simply get a bigger benefit from changing their wheels because the wheels are a larger percent of the overall system. (In contrast, frames *do* scale somewhat with rider size.) The drawback for them is they may have a harder time controlling the wheel in crosswinds.
@@ChinaCyclinggot a link? I'm not turning up anything... Specialized pioneered the fat front/deep rear and their stated reasoning is that the width is designed to reduce steering input from crosswinds, which isn't necessary in the back. Narrower is still faster even in 2024. To your point that you think deeper rims will make a comeback to match the increasing width: the width is only increased to reduce steering input. There would be no point in then making it deeper again to increase susceptibility to crosswinds.
Just ordered, can't wait...been waiting on a deeper wheel set to come out!....especially that has been updated with a wider internal/external width. I've been shopping for the last 6 months and wasn't able to find anything I like. Nice to see separate rear and front wheel dimension specific!
I didn't think it was too bad... everything written on it is true. But... I dunno... RU-vid is a tough place. Doesn't matter how good the video is - if people don't click it, it's useless.
