Does God exist? | J. Krishnamurti 

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Even our grand children also ask the same. Bcs very few ppl experience it out rest all not like us.

@@konapala Of cours the same will continue if allowing the time

Parents unless u r ten

Carolina Indiann Are you Joy from Wilmington, NC ?

plz someone explain this to me🙏🙏

@@anjaligupta6180 well when u believe in something it’s not 100% fact it’s just something that u think but truth is well, a fact like I was born on earth that’s the truth no belief that’s just fact, the truth.

You need an x(assumption) to know the truth. That x is known as beliefs. Sometime you need to use assumptions to set a start point to know something.

100% right. Understanding is what is required

Beliefs do matter until someone has not realised truth. Its like a help in darkness, use it for the help to realise. Beliefs are not the problem, but keep holding our beliefs is the problem. We just get stuck into our beliefs. We need to make it as a ladder. Like in maths we use X for an unknown figure. We just use it and when we get the answer X is gone automatically. Same case we need a belief to use it. But people like fraud baba and all start selling beliefs and all the political mess is created. Thats what I think.

Pessoalmente, o que posso dizer de JK é que venho acompanhando-o pelos vídeos da Internet e também por suas publicações, com atenção e respeito. Tenho aprendido com ele sem no entanto abrir mão de outros sábios e filósofos cujo saber cruza com o dele de muitos modos. No que, aliás, não implica nenhuma traição, tanto por não toma-lo, segundo sua própria advertencia, como um guru, como por minha dificuldade de compreende-los todos. Ou seja, compreendo melhor Cristo a partir dele e ele a partir de Sócrates. O que importa finalmente é compreender a si mesmo, o auxílio do outro sendo o de ver mais claramente a verdade comum a todos.

yes,yes😊

And when we think we will free from any religions.. when we think we know all these are fakes

​​@@arihanggara6662but are you able to feel deeply?

​@@moflo6093 What kind of question is that? What would that have to do with anything?

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I agree, this was for me, from among his many talks, the most pure and powerful speech I've heard. Wow. I love his wisdom and his humility.

It cannot be told to u

What was special in this...he didn't answer the question 😅

@@umar44444 Of course he did! Obviously, you weren't paying attention!! Let me spell it out for you: 4:40 : "So sirs, we have created God." 7:50 : "The questioner wants to know, do I believe in God. I don't." 9:35 : "Belief has no place where Truth is concerned."

But why are they talking in English , in so ancient time

@@mt9557 most people back then used to talk better English

@@mt9557 it is in southern part of India

@@mt9557 because we were colonised by british and a lot of Indians speak english much better than a lot of you as you can see in the video which is clearly old.

I think they are in California

Well said.

Jiddu does not want to be called a saint . Saint is equal to theism , and we know what Jiddu says about theism (god) ...

If your a believer you will become an unbeliever in time, if your an unbeliever you will believe. The rest is just comedy. Either way take a stand and stand by it till the law of inertia takes its course. Stop talking and balance your 6 senses. 1/2 smell 1/4 seeing 1/8 thought 1/16 hearing 1/32 tasting 1/64 touch. This is the best education you will get all your life. May your succeed.

@@rossvaneldik3562 love it 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Well this is a lively thread.

🐏🐏🐏will never understand how everything is without the mystical god

That in fact is the essence of the Upanishads

Reason this human created a game is it not where as game is life which there's a creator that created us that we call him a God out of everything....

Our souls are recycled like reincarnation, as it made much sense observed from water recycle, which there is a phrase that says what goes up must come down, have you ever wondered when you met someone and felt like you have always known them thats our soul recognition, of our past lives U know let's also look at it this other way that playstore are souls, human download it which a soul is already generated into a womans body as human before she gives birth it's just like how long a player would use that app before it gets deleted for another human out there to download it again....all I'm saying our souls are like playstore they don't get destroyed we are just there hanging till we reincarnated again in the next generation

@@joni3503 it is a devilish thought,which devil reside in you?

You look so young for such serious talk...but maybe that is only your outward appearance.

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Things happened like they supposed to happen. May sound very hard. But every choice you made and everything that have happened lead you to the moment you discovered Krishnamurti

@@9charlie84 I think you have internalized a good part of him. live well my friend

Great human being

Never mind, you are actually immortal.

Avoid sugar n salt that's all.. Life can restart in 2 mths

You can be given a hand on your journey.

@@mfb3042 yes but I think if one is expecting any kind of help then he already is dependent

When one gets sick he depends on doctor and there is a belief not truth.

Most people that I knew and say " you cannot tell me what to do... I know what I 'm doing", are the one's ending in JAIL .

This one is what i liked most: If you depend on a leader you become weak ...

Another excuse is here. You are also lucky bcs of technology you are able to listen, watch them grow presence/ consciousness in our/ your life.

We are more lucky than our previous generations! That's why people need to learn about it through social science otherwise they just romanticize the past because their parents or grandparents and relatives had said it.

I was at a talk in 1978 in Ojai. But he left us soon thereafter warning how badly things were going to go. I understand your sentiment.

Though you dont experience Belief is just "do not know" 1. If u believe no god, that too is a belief. 2. What if you "Experience god" ? Do not believe in god "Till you experience god" Jk has not experienced god BCOZ through knowledge 'alone' one cannot know god.

" beyond your body... Do u know u exist? If ur body is not you, Then wat is you ?

@@rameshkc6377 Be in the inqury... The answer is: NOTHING... & On the other side, WHATEVER YOU EXPRESS YOURSELF TO BE!

@@rameshkc6377 but experience can be faked up.

Who made the Solar System then ?

Hope you never resist either, but be able to negate ... I don't even know the meaning "negate"

@MG. Yeah. That's powerful

Needle through water

The challenge is utterly ridiculous. It does not make any logical sense whatsoever.

Because the challenge is beyond human capacity, at least without Jesus. Should he lie and suddenly say he is not afraid, not weak? What if he is not even mentally capable of the sort of convoluted circular reasoning that Krishnamurti is? His sin is pride.

Wtf?

The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon.

Thoughts written down are a grouping of words. Words are derived from the grouping of letters. Letters of the alphabet are symbols for sounds. Sound is nothing more than frequency and vibration. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." KJV Bible "If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration. Nikola Tesla "In the beginning, God SPOKE (frequency) the universe (energy) into existence (vibration)."

Serendipity 🤯

@@carlalakins Your nick sounds good but it reveals your stupidy. Is that making it good or bad nick? Nevertheless "There is an art of seeing things as they are: without naming, without being caught in a network of words, without thinking interfering with perception." That mean words are only our agreegment to names thinks, not reality. Sometimes they point to things that are'nt thete because only you can give this letter sense. I truly will never meet you and say anything to you but you will in your head, probably reading this, listen something that you imagine maybe is my voice. So listen, the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon, dont focus on words. You have no logic there, in your comment. Trust me, I know what you think but you should concer that your attachment to words is bad thing. Is to much. Making you fall in loop of tautology. Wake up!

@@carlalakins Words describing someting only, there are no real, read Plato, Phaedrus 274 b. Maybe you will get my point.

Belief means you do not know.

@MettalicBlue You don’t believe sun is shining you know it. For example., if you touch fire do you know if it burns you or believe it? You know it. Belief is something which you can’t know or experience but you assume it like the thought of God. Belief and Reality are both different things.

Love exists without belief.

Krishna Ramdial you can believe in love, but not be able to prove the existence of it

Is the sun going to rise again tomorrow ? Nobody knows so everyone believes it.

Okay! You Dont depend on leader. But then who are you? Name : thats name Body : physical muscle structure Thoughts : the memory u gathered. " then who are you" ?

There is no you. There only is awareness.

krishnamurti the ancom lol

@@rameshkc6377 A teacher. Maybe. What can you call a person who shows you the path, but asks to to walk alone on it. Leaders don't do that. When you go to some new unknown lands you wander and might end up going in circles. So you stop for directions from a Native.

@@rameshkc6377 And who is Krsnamurti?! Why should I depend on his instructions ?!

Thinking that everything is meaningless also makes this video meaningless. Its just entertainment like everything else.

@@root123 Either you transcended the quote, or you just totally missed its value

The act of pattern recognition excludes the observer soul.

@@root123 The difference is that the mind can only give meaning to concepts and definitions. Krishnamurti points to a conceptless reality that is free from mental hypnosis and that is closer than your next thought about it.

@@thibautlucas688 I think it was a miss !

@@jasbadsirron6424 10:38 we all get excited when our belief is attacked. Earlier to that - belief has nothing to do with Truth. Now, which one? Sole of your shoes? 🤣 Duality is nothing considering two or more entities existing individually in isolation of everything else. Again it is another form of Belief !!

lmao😂😂

Evolution has made us not God. God was invented much later.

@@leegleissner9771 by Humans

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So said d gita ch 6:5. Each n every individual is responsible for his own uplifting or demise.

Yes, and I am happy to understand what he says, it feels liberating, and then he says that I don't need guru, that I already have in me everything that is required, I just need to look inside and forget words, but that's quite a challenge so I keep coming back to that belief, "I kind of get it but I am still in process", and that's my excuse to avoid living with courage and confidence (I am not prepared yet), that's the self-defeat, and the guru also points me to that, so maybe I need a guru after all, although I'm running out of excuses :(

@@mjgamer2615 u need lots of guidence. U need to know d difference with soul n body n also d difference with atman n param atman. N when u know abt param atman then u dont recognize any body or soul or pain or even happiness n sorrows my frend . u need to research ah lott. Don't speak wat u dont know abt. Fr tnt west Indies

@@mjgamer2615 n that's y we must respect everyone's belief. If u have a problem with dat then u r in a sorry state.

@@mjgamer2615 atman n soul do not exist ! Get that clear. Ok . if u don't know humble urself n ask. Fr tnt west Indies

@@cruksi7001 whatnot

I was with him at a lecture in Ojai in 1978. You are with him now thanks to teachology.

Long long ago there was a

First we need to investigate the word "kindly"

Right... I get what you mean.

I believe that there is an entity which is most powerful than living beings.May be it is GOD ,NATURE what ever. If we pay too much attention on this, we do not struggle for livlihood and even forget our own capacity. We must depend on ourselves for every thing and take responsibility.After that we may pray a little and rest by making that power responsible.Even Bhagavad-Gita tells this.There are several instances of destruction of idols of very powerful and famous God and Goddess of India,in our history,by invaders and outside rioters.These were even worshipped by great saints.The idols must have power to retaliate and finish them.Is there any single such instance ?.Does it imply there is no Godliness in the idol?. Perhaps God is not bothered abot this silly thing.But it is true that a human being who is versatile and struggles a lot with the help of his body ,mind and spirit restlessly in one or different fields of human activities will experience the presence of something divine and enjoy it.But it cannot be explained.

Well, he is not a slave of the questioner, he is not obliged to behave as asked.

Nice

Someone asked a man " do you believe in God and the man replied no I don't believe in God I have faith in it ". And faith comes when you realize it. 😊

Exactly

Akash Kaintura faith is a matter of personal experience and not a fact, this way we’ll have as many gods as many humans exist. Faith by definition is believing without evidence. Faith is delusional, faith is not absolute.

@@akashkaintura1584 nonsense, faith means nothing. Belief is death of intelligence and there is no god. Now, relax and meditate.

Exactly! That's why I left it.. It's never about consciousness or thinking, It's all about blind faith in "something" and keep uttering those memorized things like a parrot.

Your non-muslim part feels sad. The muslim in you is still untouched so you have some path to go. The world has changed. The mankind has chamged. I respect your honesty.

Read Rumi and hafez if you are looking for the language of consciousness 🙌🏽🙏🏽

From my study, Sufism contains what's left of the true Spiritual impulse of Islam. All religions have been warped over time into systems of control. This is why the true masters knew the correct way to initiate ascension is through creative discovery not indoctrinate learning.

@@rizwanarashed5923 I wished you would have waited before taking this decision.🥺

Negating God is another form of distortion

Saying God exists is equal with God do not exists. You are stuck in the same bull###it as Krishnamurti. It is so surprising seeing inteligent people giving stupid answers to common questions.

You see THE MOST HIGH all around you every time you see creation you see GOD

​@@swammyslauson8503 you say this universe was created, but we don't know if that's true.

​@@birouldoi1776so what answers you expect from him? You know how some people might talks it seriously if he directly explains it

Maybe not

@@ToThoseWhoVanished and how is that so

🤦🏻K wasn’t declaring that the better part of you is God. He’s rather questioning that the better qualities of a human are treated as God by the humans. Like they interpreted god as all the better qualities that they could think of. You all lot liking that comment needs to pay more attention and obviously this is why JK couldn’t reach the distorted brains.

He was making fun of people for thinking that hehe 🙏

You are not god

Everyone will get excited until we realise truth. Even you are excited seeing that other people are excited, that's why u wrote this comment. 😉

This is exactly we see with believers of every religion. They do not like discussion, investigation or debate. That is the real problem for our society in very disorderly state even to day. Now politics also added to such beliefs.

He puts it all out there. He pushes your buttons.

People say he never answered the question. He did, you just didn't get it because you are conditioned lol. Then they be mad bro!! Eternal hellfire for you!! 😂

Hahaha...What is thought ? Smart people. You don't know nothing about God you don't nothing about though, you don't know nothing about your thinger. Irony...

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He doesn't exist

@@sokuralife Who does not exist?

He said it wrong -> it should be thought has created God but consciousness worships it , we can only answer with clarity if we have clarity in each definition of the associated nouns and verbs

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Me

raul monegro and I start thinking the earth is flat

Me

haha me

He's one guru himself

The problem...when you depend on others

@@curiousgeorge6921 not self-appointed.

@@curiousgeorge6921 he already meant we are responsible for selves , if you folllow him it's on you .

We do depend on leaders. We appoint them to run our countries and we have no choice.

@ゆき that's meaning of life wheter you like or not

God is the origin of thought😉 pass it on x

@@540vibration in the beginning, was the word. The word was with God, and the word was God. - john the apostle. Seems to me that this could be chronologous.

@@aPheonixRises Damn...all that time ...it was a metaphor

Yes🙌🏻

@@aPheonixRises in the beginning there was sound, a vibration then came words to describe it

This is illogical. I can believe in many things that are true

@@atimetobestill1132 If it is true why are you believing it? Just curious.

Objective truth exists and objective truth can be discerned.

@@atimetobestill1132 That will be knowing, not beleiving. Beleiving has nothing to do with truth.

Though you dont experience Belief is just "do not know" 1. If u believe no god, that too is a belief. 2. What if you "Experience god" ? Do not believe in god "Till you experience god" Jk has not experienced god BCOZ through knowledge 'alone' one cannot know god.

One percentage choose to believe like others choose to believe faith

Thoughts are nothing but intelligent beings who can communicate with the human subconscious. When you start to hear thoughts those are aliens from another dimension communicating with you. Choose your speaker wisely. Because these entities speak through you whenever you give them the authority to talk. Sometimes these beings are so powerful that they over take your mind without you even knowing and you become a fluent vessel for them to use so that they can communicate with other subconscious, and create different realities by using you. Every time a thought arises in your mind you are being contacted by extraterrestrial entities who travel using energy that all living and non living things can feel. Yes non living things feel to. A fragile glass object can feel the force of you throwing it on the ground because it breaks. Watch those aliens y’all lol some are here to stay. Some are not.

1% is pushing it

With profound regret and sorrow I add that this guru has utter disregard/disrespect to Great Souls like Ramkrishna Paramhansa. He also opines that Upanishad has NO mention of God!!?? -- whereas Upanishad says "EKAM BRAMHA, DITIYA NATSA, NE NATSE KINCHAN"'---meaning "There's only One God none second-- NONE AT ALL"! The entire discourse is sooooo confusing! I leave it to the saner minds to draw their own conclusions about this discouse....

Unfortunately Krishnamurti is wrong.. Even his own compatriots like Paramahansa Yogananda disagree with him . Krishnamurti never was a prophet , he never lead a major movement even less a world class religion , he never did any miracles . Jesus christ once told ,that you can know the false prophets by their experiences . Using the parable of the tree , that you will know a Tree by its fruits , and that to know who is a true teacher or a false one , all you need to do is to observe their life sucess , And krishnamurti never was a leader ,he was only a phisolophical frustrated person in life , that inspired no major religions and very few knew him. God do exist and Jesus spoke all the time about him , he even told the miracles he could do ,was not him doing it ,but his Father in heaven. Krishnamurti is a clear example of one of the many mediocre spiritual lealders that came from India . Paramhansa Yogananda also believe in GOD and he admired Jesus too.. one time also Jesus told "If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” [math 15:14] . and the reason why Suffering exist in the world is for the opportunity to help humanity look inside and seek GOD and elevate above all difficulties by their faith in GOD.. If we lived in a joyful world and everything was perfect , and suffering did not exist , then people would never find a reason to look inside discover their potential ,to rise and succeed even in difficult times , and discover GOD in their lives and know who they really are. Difficulties and challenges to push humanity into its creative Human development if all was perfect and joy and peace there will be nothing to proof ,nothing to show . then who needs GOD in a world ,that is all perfect.?

Jiddu telling us very kindly to "fuck around and find out". 😂 I just thought of this reading your comment. I'm sorry I had to reply or I'd have to bury that deep inside me forever and that's just not healthy 😂

Why?

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He is not of Time, though.

Dude ahead of everyone’s time❤️ There has been nobody on our planet like him. Nobody 🦋 Not that we know of🦬

One of my favorite quotes of JK. I think about it all the time on my own path. Once I heard him say "You are lost in a jungle, alone, and you must find your way out!! Do it NOW11" . Hahahahaha! I love him.

@@garypuckettmuse How is that wisdom? When you are in that jungle, lost and lonely, remember there is a path that always leads to your salvation. You are never alone, my friend, you choose to wonder in that jungle by your own God given free will, when He is still waiting for you to walk the path he set for all of us. Hope you manage to get out of the jungle, but it seems to me you choose to stay in it.

@@lupusdivinorum4673 This man is one of a handful of fully realized modern masters and the only one who sacrificed as he did to try to help civilizations around the globe. Your presence here is defiling his memory and his work. Please refrain from further random territorial marking here.

Agree.

@michael schnitzer This argument that one is not enlightened enough to understand it is for shallow, selfish, pridefull individuals. Is this all that these false prophets have to offer? Is that the best they got? "The word tree is not a tree!" Stop following false teachers.

you may need him one day

Sadly, India has actually gone backwards intellectually in the last 40 years. The charlatans have taken over most aspects of life, and rational thinking has been mostly thrown out of the window.

​@@onlythewise1 Maybe, but he will not appear...

Are u 95+ ?

More beliefs, less evidence😇

​@@Quotings_ more truths less belief?

Less words ; more apply 😅

Sweet🦋

Absolutely ❤️

Terry Gamer you have seen very less of the world if you are so moved by him

But this guy is wrong lmao God is very real. God is the creator, the projector of the whole multiverse. Everything, and everyone is God! The multiverse is mental, not physical. Matter comes from consciousness. All is mind, God's mind! God is God's creation, there is no separation.

@@MrMabawsaritchie 🤣🤣🤣

@@MrMabawsaritchie god is real in thought , but thought is limited and useless....

Kid Charlemagne you got a mouse in your pocket?

@@obowurx6625... A mouse or something else

@@AlchemistTongueDrums he was not married.

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Krishnamurti means - manifestation of the god Krishna.

Through his books and many recorded talks...you have him as grandfather.

We gotta Carry his legacy/his believes

Yes bro I thought same many times I heard that in his last days he was saying I wasted my whole life We don't want to change we are enjoying this suffering I think we are so much condition by this very few people will be able to break this barrier which as a society we created

He knew it too, but yet why give up? Look beyond the he, the words and the body and the answer to the question in this video will be realized. Then you will know was it worth it?

It is always worth the effort. Always. There is naught but the effort.

Once upon a time, there was an old man who used to go walking on the beach every morning before he began his work. Early one morning, he was walking along the shore after a big storm had passed and found the vast beach littered with starfish as far as the eye could see, stretching in both directions. Off in the distance, the old man noticed a small boy approaching. As the boy walked, he paused every so often and as he grew closer, the man could see that he was occasionally bending down to pick up an object and throw it into the sea. The boy came closer still and the man called out, “Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?” The young boy paused, looked up, and replied “Throwing starfish into the ocean. The tide has washed them up onto the beach and they can’t return to the sea by themselves,” the youth replied. “When the sun gets high, they will die, unless I throw them back into the water.” The old man replied, “But there must be tens of thousands of starfish on this beach. I’m afraid you won’t really be able to make much of a difference.” The boy bent down, picked up yet another starfish and threw it as far as he could into the ocean. Then he turned, smiled and said, “It made a difference to that one!” He made a difference to THIS one. His wisdom and insight has changed my life and how I interact with the world.

Religious or spiritual?

tHaKuR bOyS is there a difference?

@@yahweey1309 so you watch these videos and cant tell the difference ?

@@thakurboys5962 two opposite things

@@yahweey1309 yes , a total difference .

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Hypothetically, if you had to choose between a life full of love and no suffering; or a life of tremendous suffering, devoid of love, but on your deathbed you recognise the “truth”, which option do you pick?

there is no knowing, realising... There is just experiencing.

me too sam

​@@rentalsnake6542well the first one leads to suffering anyway since it cannot happen without a cause

And the synchronicity on your reply answers it wonderfully. 3 months ago with 33 likes.

@@jesus3373 while rn, 4 months ago, with 44 likes

Now 5 months ago 48 likes

@@aadarshktofficial Now 7 months ago and still 56 likes 🙁

@@Mahalakshmi-Khan now 9 moths with 76 likes

ye..

K spent all his life telling people to use their brain to think to investigate to doubt and seek answers. K also has the same brain as all other humans. But we fail to do and challenge tradition etc.

Was he an innocent child?

The questioner, just wanted an answer..yes or no.. A seeker, @chetan jadhav..with some 150 thumbs up, would not ask others about it, would not hang on others opinions, a seeker cannot follow.. If he did.., he directly became a believer, and to be clear in this: there isn't a believer who seeks the truth. Listening to JK does not mean you have to like or dislike. His words did not bring you a story of some sort. It is the discovery of the meaning of wat is told, and only inside YOU! And JK so often told us so, see the fact itself, not the speaker or his words. :-) Enjoy the wonder..

But a straight answer yes or no was not given

"maybe it's easier to start with ourselves" well.. that's what everyone says and i have memorized this so..

And then you will cry for employment.

@@raghuvansh3587 Lol 🔥

It just needs you ❤️

No! We need more Neuro-Psychologists. The Problem are located in the brain!

No human beings created the entire world the sun the moon stars snd the universe it is only God our fathe the creator of all of us ..without God we will not exist we are not a product of Big Bang .who created the oceans and rivers.

That is so true what you written, if you don't mind I will use that expression

+lebotonton Otis it's what the speaker said.

+lebotonton whom don't mind madam?!! that is a repetition of what k said in this clip.

+Free Speech Nothing exist!

***** I misunderstand your statement, can you clarify? Do you think truth can be with belief, or not? Maybe it's your mis-spelling you need to recheck. Otherwise I'd be happy to discuss with you, just making sure.

He is🌬✨✨✨🦋🦋through your interior feeling.

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

It's really difficult though seeing as to how people love to exploit the pure and simple.Eventually you harden yourself, just coz it seems unavoidable.

@@dekz8 Just coz those around and away from you force you into being impure.

@@tuyl654 you day this but I grew up in the hood never got in trouble and was kind and respectful to everyone I met. Dangerous people became nice friends and hard time got easy because I made good connections with people. And knowing that we are all lost and confused in this world made me know how to talk to people from all walks of life. Knowing you are lost helps you find yourself.

@@tuyl654 your concept about pure and impure is limited...it just depends on your beliefs only...

​@@arjunp9100 Better for it to depend on your experience rather than your beliefs.

A word is a concept. He wanted us to understand that words are meaningless. Words just barely describe what we think the subject is, but the subject cannot be reduced to the word(s) alone. But the words are powerful. Its the "code" we use to describe the Matrix, so we'd better pay attention to what we say, cause this shapes our reality. Things exists out of the words. Things would exist even if we didn't had words for them. They would just be.

@Prosper If you're so smart to see those? Maybe elaborate? Or why even bother to comment to begin with...

Word are never the thing anyways! Its a recognition in human speech

@@Keyzzerr precisely

@Prosper how? Explain.

j r I know and No. what a combination.