Does It Audiophile??? A Look At The Run Out Groove Vinyl Reissue Label 

Thank you so much for taking the time to do these videos - there’s not really anything like them on RU-vid and they’re extremely helpful when trying to navigate the complicated world of vinyl reissues.

ya i made that four men with beards mistake once never again

Every single ROG pressing sample sounded absolutely amazing.

Hey Paul! Great video. I still need to find a copy of the Dusty and Mingus albums. From what I can hear in this video, the AP Dusty album is the one I prefer but the Run Out Groove needle drops sound great. I hope you're doing well and aren't working too hard. Take care.

I'm a fan. I've had a video in mind for about three years. Mostly to make people aware. I waited too long for that now. I've been happy with the ones I picked up..

You are crushing it. Your post are very enjoyable. I want to comment over and over and over while watching.

Afternoon Paul! I’m not familiar w this label so thank you for keeping me in the loop 🙏🏻✨✊🏻🎶😎- Lis

I am looking forward to this one Paul. Summer Breeze makes me feel pain? I know the heat can be oppressive in Texas. But I would trade that any day for a cold winter's day in New England. I do like the clever Seals & Crofts play on words. {smile} >< Have a great day today. Hope that you and your family are doing better than ever~ Rob/Boston

Beau Brummels? Dang again not aware of this, dig that early 60s vibe

Paul, this is the first chance I've had to thank you for the plug on this video. Subscriptions to my channel have bumped up. Oh and Four Men With Beards sucks. I wish someone other than them would reissue Funkadelic's stuff. 🤣🤣👍

Another gem of a video Paul. Thanks so much. Lol was so great as you said United. It was an authentic reaction 😂

good to see ya, pw. i JUST bought a used CD copy of that Hatfield album - my fave of hers. i also love that Type O Negative release. i honestly don't think i have any ROG titles. i'll keep an eye out for some of the choice picks you shared.

Another Good One Paul !! Gotta Love Dusty ... Thanks Jimmy ...

I was on a Stooges kick recently. I need to find a copy of Raw Power.

I have the Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis they put out, double disc with bonus track, and a nice tip on jacket. It sounds fantastic, Jeff Powell worked on it. Im a big fan of Run Out Groove. The Curtis Mayfield - Superfly is amazing.

Thanks for the information. Perhaps the MoFi debacle will influence record companies to provide the "chain of custody" information. I have quite a few ROG titles, including all three Morphines, the gorgeous Bill Frisell, and the most recent Mingus, Randy Newman and Curtis Mayfield, and find them quite nice in packaging, extras, and sound quality. I got the LITA "Cure for Pain" as soon as it came out and was quite taken with it, albeit a bit on the soft side and had to turn my amp up to two o'clock for an acceptable sound level -- ARC tube electronics and Magneplanar screens. I, too, do not generally care for United (my favs: QRP, RTI, Pallas, in that order), but overall was, and still am, pleased. It is my understanding that the album was recorded via DAT and ROG got the original tape -- it makes sense that if Warners owns both Ryko and ROG, ROG could get that tape. All that said, as you indicated it is way good. Caveat, while I know that the number of LPs pressed is based on the number of pre-orders, I will no longer purchase their LPs directly from them -- it took some nine months or so to get the Newman and Mayfield titles. Time is not so much my complaint as it is they have had my $$$$ all that time. I don't mind waiting, I just don't want to have to pay for that waiting.

So good again. I’m also a fan fan of Run on Groove. Their monkees are fabulous and that Bradley’s Barn beats my OG. Just got their Superfly today Haven’t compared yet . Have a fabulous summer breeze Paul ✌🏻

Love ROG! Huge difference in the Mingus. Least difference in the Dusty and Type O. Really liked the way ROG did Morphine, and I have OG and RPG Monkees (original purchaser of both) and for I agree that Kevin Gray made that tape sing. Better separation between the instruments without ruining the presentation, and the bass doesn't try to dominate but it's there. Another awesome vid.

Well, I found your video after making 2 purchases of ROG releases, totaling ~$300. I do not feel any stress about my purchases after watching/hearing the comparisons.

Wow.got a new pair of audio technica headphones and I've been waiting for this video to try them out.i was sure that it would be easier to spot the difference with these.i was wrong..😆 hard to explain..but I will say I was very impressed with Run Out Groove's performance on each of these samples.the only one I own is Skid Row's Slave to the Grind and I've been very happy to have it.ill listen again later for a better review for you.thanks man for waking me up with a great new video🔥 edit: AWESOME! you have the next Run Out record I'm lusting after and I see now that music on vinyl did a fine job but R.O.G. beat them with their take on Bloody Kisses

Love ROG. I have several of their releases. I have the LITA Morphine CFP. ROG won that shootout but, I can live with my LITA pressing. I do have the ROG Yes and Live At The Wakefield and they sound really good. Thanks Paul!

Lots of Roadrunner stuff, which I have many original pressings of, like Type O Negative and Fear Factory. Can't compare much because their pressings are not that easy to obtain here and are expensive. But I liked so far what I got. Thanks, Paul.

I really like the idea of these shoot outs combined with your bringing other, less well known labels to wider attention. But I do wonder if the effects of RU-vid compression, perhaps combined system effects limit their impact. For instance, in the Dusty Springfield comparison the AP version sounds rolled off in the treble (dull sounding), and the other two sound more balanced. Also, the Run out Groove version sounds a couple of db louder. As I say, this is how it sounds on my system. Sure that it will vary for others. Interesting what you and others say about 4 Men. I bought a few in the 2000s - Dusty and a couple of Aretha titles. These all sound pretty good to me. Glad that I missed the awful releases you and others experienced. Interesting question is, why these varied so much.

Hey Paul. I had the ROG of Dusty and the Half-Speed Mastered from Abbey Road. I thought they both sounded really good but My friend and I agreed that the Half-Speed has a much superior tonal balance and a better low end. I gave him the ROG as a gift. The ROG packaging was amazing of course. I also have their Curtis Mayfield titles which are very well-made

Hey Paul! Another great roundup of shootouts, heres my thoughts. The Monkees was interesting because the original almost sounded modernly done in terms of staging, every performance quite up front and clear, the only fault is the slight harshness and lack of low end. The reissue was more pleasant this was but staged less aggressively and weirdly tall on the left channel, still I think I prefer it. Dusty was even more interesting. As you said 4Men finally did something decent, but I think especially on the second track that the differences show. A bit thin and hollow compared to the other two. But the ROG might even be preferable here as it seems to bring out the panned instruments a little more like the harp or whatever it is on the right, which I liked. I did feel like I had to adjust the loudness a little to make it completely even but if they are completely matched to begin with then I feel even more strong about my assessment. Morphine was a pretty clear and cut deal, the reissue just has more life to it, bottom and top end wise. On Mingus the reissue pops more for sure, some definite highlighting going on and I think I like that here. Type O I also preferred the ROG. More ambiance by boosting those backing vocals and adding a splash of reverb which Im a sucker for.

I went to a record store owned by this New York guy and God knows that I really wanted to buy something but I didn't find anything that I really wanted. I spent 2 HOURS looking through the bins for something that I really wanted and found nothing that I was willing to pay big money for. I'll just wait until the next record show in November.

Cool video. You still like your Kirmus machine?

Juliana is so underrated. Her 2 LPs from 2000 (Total System Failure & Beautiful Creatures) need a vinyl release as well.

Super Fly is fantastic. The whole package is the best value reissue of the year and the sound is brilliant.

Run Out Groove is the shit!!!! I owned the L7, Revolting Cocks, Skid Row “Slave to the Grind”, Type O Negative “October Rust” and 3xLP “Bloody Kisses”. Wow! these records sound superb! RoG packaging is magnificent and they do not shy away from giving the customer what we are paying for. The rarities and extra material on these records are second to none. This record label gives a shit to the consumer. I will keep buying artist from this company. Hands down! Cheers bud JC/Miami

I think it’s a great label. Have the Monkees titles and Warren Zevon “stand in the fire” and are quite good!

I had the Funhouse CD set and it is really too much - you did the right thing. I was surprised at how similar Run Out Groove was on The Monkees - the original always sounded thin to me, and they subtly thickened it while still sounding true. Dusty - 4MWB wasn't awful, AP was great, Run Out actually was a touch loud/overdriven but without the sibilance 4MWB had (so, Run out is ranked 3rd). Morphine - same thing, Run Out seemed goosed in midrange/louder; LITA was better. Mingus - same issue, tweaked in midrange for Run Out.

I have the Solomon Burke compilation and the Judee Sill record. Both are great. They sound good, are beautifully pressed and the sleeve are sturdy. Slightly unhappy with the front cover art of the Judee Sill record but that's a minor gripe.

Hey, Paul. So glad to see you’re covering ROG. I’ve got about 7 - 8 of their tittles including all 3 of the Morphine titles they put out. They’re one of those bands I’m a completist with, and have originals and reissues of. Being from their hometown of Boston, I was fortunate to have seen them many times before the untimely passing of Mark Sandman. The ROG pressings beat out all other pressings of “Cure for Pain” and “Good”, imo. Also love that ROG Stooges, Ministry’s, “Greatest Fits”, and a couple others I’m forgetting. The ROG pressings I’ve got are my go to records. They generally seem to have a bit fuller, punchy, and clearer presentation without being fatiguing. They also seem to have a better soundstage and separation. Thanks for covering this fantastic label, Paul.

The only 4 Men With Beards I ever had was their reissue of Television's 1990 s/t LP, which I also bought right after getting back into vinyl and I didn't know anything about them. It sounded like a CD to me. I soon learned of their bad reputation and have steered clear ever since. I saw Type O Negative live in Peoria in ~1995. They were ok. I was right at the end of my teenage metal phase and got into punk probably only weeks later. I thought the vocal harmonies popped out quite a bit more on the ROG pressing. For the Mingus, I liked the ride cymbal a lot more on the original. I think Jeff Powell does great with what he gets to work with, but like for anyone, the limiting factor will be the source that he has access to. He can now cut from tape, but he cut only from digital for years and there's huge potential variation in quality possible there. This was good, though, I'd only recently started hearing about this label via the In Groove new release videos and sounded like they often do good stuff. I'm actually kind of curious about that Deicide box set because I loved their first two albums when I was in highschool. But like you talked about with Fun House, especially now in middle age I don't love them enough to get some big box set. Speaking of Fun House, Ron McMaster cut the 2010 Rhino reissue of that from the original masters according to the hype sticker and it does sound as good as I've ever heard it.

Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but ROG is releasing the upcoming 4lp 30th anniversary STP ‘Core’ vinyl..

Monkees preferred the Colgem. Sounded livelier & cleaner. Morphine preferred the Record Groove version. Fuller bass etc. Quite obvious.

Just one dudes opinion going by the sound samples alone but as far as the Dusty Springfield, I found the Acoustic Sounds version was the one I like the least; struck me as dull compared to the ROG and if fact, I was surprised to find the 4Men sounding close to ROG. I preferred the ROG version of Morphine - Cure for Pain which I have :)

I have the Dusty Run Out Groove. I’ve been trying to find a clean copy of Roberta Flack first take but I keep getting duds. I’m thinking of getting the one that’s available from Atlantic.

Alright, let's get into it ... (Monkees) - at least with the compression of RU-vid, there was virtually no difference at all. (Dusty) - The 4 Men and the AP were virtually identical... the Run Out Groove killed it! Their copy was fantastic (for a remaster). I own an original issue/1st British press that sounds amazing. (Morph) - I don't know about calling Morphine 'Punk' but nevertheless the Run Out Groove was noticeably more dynamic hands down. (Mingus) - while the Run Out Groove is again, noticeably more dynamic, the original sounds much more organic and I would gravitate to that for a live Jazz performance. (Type O Neg) - MOV version had noticeably more separation; the ROG wasn't too far off but still not as good as the MOV. Coincidentally I HATE Type O's version of Summer Breeze with a passion, but I love Seals and Crofts... LOL ahh well. Haha. Cheers!! - TONE

I really want that Deicide boxset that's coming out from ROG but I'm pretty sure I'm going straight to hell if I do...

I unfortunately bought that 4 men LP of Dusty. Horrible! hated it soon as I dropped the needle. Never bought another 4 men title again. The AP is still the one to have.

I regret anything I bought that was 4 men with beards.

Is Pure Pleasure still out there? And did you already do them? I don’t remember.....

For the record (no pun intended)" Pinche Bolillo" is Peen- chay Vo- lee- yo. Technically it's a " F*$&#+* white bread roll" but it's derogatory remark for white dude. 😂 Yeah , believe me.... I am NOT a fan boy of 4Men w/ beards / Plain but it in all honesty I didn't hear much difference between it and the AP for the Dusty in Memphis selection. I'm sure there's got to be in person , but over the headphones on my phone. Nada. The ROG sounded a bit hotter or louder. I have some 4 men presses, like you, obtained before I knew better. However, I don't think any of them are terrible. Maybe I am lucky? In some cases I do have an OG, ( Eno & Cluster on Sky) . Or I have a legit reissue (Milton Nascimento's Clube Da Esquina on Polydor) For both of these titles I thought the difference would be so glaring I'd gladly give up the 4 Men's, but to my surprise in both cases they weren't and in fact the 4 Men's was worth holding on to because the mix was different, but interesting enough to keep. I've got a Plain recordings version of MBV Loveless and the new Deluxe AAA cut that came out last year. Once again I figured night and day, right? Nope. There is more detail to the AAA especially in the ambient vignettes between the tracks, but the Plain has way more visceral punch! Side note: Record Industry plant does phenomenal work when NOT related to MOV . If I am ever able to acquire upgrades to my Music on Vinyl copies, I am going to gladly drop those. I think they're the worst of all!

ROG on Monkees for me, not so trebley sounding......see? Don’t know who cut it!!!! That makes me nervous! Why? Price price price... Dusty- AP rich and full of depth but then hmmmm ROG hmmm I go past the vocals and boy ROG instruments sound great....thank you Paul hope you and the family are well- Lis 😎🙏🏻✨ and a ROG on Mingus for my ear

wow.. its amazing, how good the ROG pressing of dusty is.. the first round, i even liked the ROG better, than the AP 45!! it has more of that OG midrange magic and very good bottom end.. but of course, the highs and details on the AP are better... in the end, i would not know how to decide.. well except availability here in europe 😜 the mingus ROG is really terrible to my ears.. nah.. i just dont like it.. for the rest, ROG wins! thanks for another very interesting video!

I love the sound of my Run Out Groove Powell cut of Randy Newman’s Good Old Boys. I feel it has a bit more detail and “air” than the chunky, warm 2017 Bellman cut, though both are great. Very interesting bonus tracks too.

For the Monkees... I prefer the KG cut... For the Dusty ..prefer the AP For the Morphine... prefer the ROG For the Mingus.... I find the ROG too immediate...

Run Out Groove is doing an amazing job. I ordered Superfly early enough to get the color vinyl and also ordered a second black copy. I'm not gay, but if Kevin Gray asked me to I'd give it a try.

Dusty in Memphis. 4 Men With Beards sounds awful against AP and UK Philips original. Not even close. Much larger difference than RU-vid digital samples show.