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Mofi Controversy Video No. 492 - Anything New To Be Said??? Sure! 

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@Universityofvinyl
@Universityofvinyl 2 года назад
Disingenuous is the key issue along with their wordsmithing and opaque descriptions. Most of the music sounds glorious for the most part though. They just need to come clean and clearly provide accurate info on sourcing, transfers etc. I have decided to cancel all the one steps I have on preorder.
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 2 года назад
Too late to come clean now after they've been caught out ripping people off for a decade
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 2 года назад
Exactly, it's not like the original transfer was jank or something. You pretty much have to involve a digital transfer at some point in the process of remixing most music made before the 80s.
@bradleykay
@bradleykay 2 года назад
I also canceled lots of preorders
@KansasRocker
@KansasRocker 2 года назад
I'm with you. Cancelled my one step order as well. The price is way too high given what has recently come to light.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
With all the pre-order cancellations, I am betting they're going to have to take some action. The question is how long is it going to take them to do it? Sounds like many of those 40,000 copies of Thriller are going to be sitting on the shelf now. The original cut by Bernie was a stellar sounding record to begin with anyway so I really don't think it can be improved upon.
@DismasM
@DismasM 2 года назад
I'm format agnostic and have no problem with digital, be it CDs or streaming, or, even, vinyl that had a digital step in the stream. It can all sound GREAT. Hell, most recordings since the early 90s have at least one digital step in the stream. What bothers me about this MoFi thing is that they've deceived their customers for the benefit (to them) of charging MORE MONEY. It's been a scam and it's too bad. A lot of people want 'analog only,' (See ERC) but a lot of people don't care. Imagine if MoFi had said, "Abraxas is outstanding quality, state of the art, the best that could be done, but we used DSD to get there--we had to. " A few people would've opted out, but they wouldn't have this debacle on their hands. They were duplicitous for their own gain. (Honestly, I'm tired of commenting about this. But I can tell you this: I won't buy another MoFi until they come clean.) Thanks, Paul
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Very well put Joe. The uptick in the charge, especially for the One Steps, which I will concede are over packaged content is ridiculous. Especially, given the lack of transparency that their competitors place on their pressings. I am really going to be interested in how they move forward on this as a company.
@rcarloz
@rcarloz 2 года назад
I have no problem with vinyl that is cut from digital. However, the problem here is that MoFi is charging a premium with their One Steps and they never bother to be transparent about the source. I bet they didn't want to tells us that the One Steps were digitally source in fear of not being able to charge a premium for them.
@borisspantic1333
@borisspantic1333 2 года назад
Yes-
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yes. I have seen numerous folks cancelling their pre-orders and deservedly so. We'll have to see if it impacts their bottom line. Especially, on Thriller now that they've committed to make 40,000. I am not optimistic that one is going to sell out now. The original was already quite stellar so I don't think it can be surpassed.
@dietchapstick7890
@dietchapstick7890 2 года назад
That is exactly the issue. And the fact that they lied by omission and lied explicitly to people when asked about sourcing. Not just publicly but over private emails, both to customer and journalists. Lying scum.
@classicrock7890
@classicrock7890 2 года назад
It was confirmed by Alan Parsons that there was a mix to analogue tape for Eye In The Sky . Only Mo-Fi probably made a digital copy of the analog tape. Saying 'it's the music that matters' is just shrugging shoulders and letting them of the hook. Bottom line is they lied.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Interesting. Do you know where this is documented? I tried to research this a bit when I noticed it several weeks ago but I could never find that they were mixing to analog at the same time as the digital. I am still suspect of Mofi's info given everything else that's happened.
@martinmelucci4383
@martinmelucci4383 2 года назад
There was a release previously from the analog tapes for EYE IN THE SKY...the Classic Records DAD disc, with one side of the disc to play in any DVD Video player, and the other for players that could also play DVD Audio discs at 24/192. It's a measurable fact as the files off that disc have information beyond the upper frequency response of digital from 1982. It's supposed to be an excellent copy of the album.
@thomasroth4533
@thomasroth4533 2 года назад
I bought "Pet Sounds" on Mofi SACD and it sounds incredibly dull. Lacklustre is the first word that comes to mind. I always thought that Mofi was overrated and I love these new revelations.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
It makes me wonder, why they only did the SACD of that one. Maybe it was because AP had the rights to it.
@jasonarsenault3791
@jasonarsenault3791 2 года назад
So very glad you chimed in on this. Thanks!
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks I had a few people comment on various videos which pushed me over the edge.
@DeAudiofilosyLocos
@DeAudiofilosyLocos 2 года назад
Eye In the sky was recorded multitrack on a sony pcm 16 BUT they also used a safety 30ips two channel without Dolby. I know this because I have a beef with a couple of production mistakes that I was hoping would eventually get solved ( I did a video about it in my youtube channel albeit in Spanish). The first instance of the use of the analog copy is on the DVD audio version done with muse electronics. But this one has speed stability issues in the second strophe of the song "eye in the sky". Later on I bought the speakers corner version, which has a generic label stating that they cut all analogue, but if you go to the website they clearly indicate that although they mixed and mastered in analog, the master was digital. Then came Alan parsons himself who wrote a nice essay in the Blu-ray version that he himself remixed both for multichannel and also a plain vanilla two channel and he states that the "sonically superior analogue master" was used. He also aludes to the fact that old master tapes need to be baked, perhaps referring to the DVD audio version and the speed issues? Regarding the mofi 45rpm, I suspect they licensed Parsons recent two channel mix, since it was already done for the Blu-ray and I listened to it at a friends house, it has the softness and cool vibe sound of the Blu-ray copy I have.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Wow! Thanks for the fantastic comment and additions. I tried to research this a bit but couldn't find much other than what was on the original LP jacket and I looked at several. The Blu-Ray is one I will have to look at and I am glad there was commentary from Parsons on it. I am betting you're 100% correct on Mofi licensing the Parsons two channel mix. Someone else also commented on an analog mastering existing but the individual making the comment didn't have a reference. Now I have one. Regardless, it smells like there could still be a digital step in the Mofi release if sounds like the Blu-Ray.
@richardriley4415
@richardriley4415 2 года назад
So glad you weighed in. My only Mofi one step is Ah Um and I'm happy with it.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
So in my last video, most folks commented they thought the One Steps sounded the best in the two examples I gave. Not all felt that way but most did. Both titles, coming from Sony, likely had a digital step so it just goes to show, digital is not the boogey man people make it out to be. Still frustrating on their ambiguity.
@fredcostas1945
@fredcostas1945 2 года назад
At this stage I would not trust ANY explanation from MoFi. That time has come and gone, they missed the boat. It was their call ALL THE WAY…..
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Very true Fred. After this broke, they said they would make a statement and they still haven't delivered on their promise to do this.
@patientot310
@patientot310 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub they are probably hoping it will "blow over". Then they can reel in more suckers with overpriced digi vinyl and worthless boxes of dead air and foam. People need to keep the pressure on and not let them slide. Looking forward to the WaPo article.
@SublimMedia
@SublimMedia 2 года назад
Great video Paul!!
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thank you Jonas!
@HighnoonsVinyl
@HighnoonsVinyl 2 года назад
I think you have said it best. Just be honest about the transfer and process. At least then people will decide to justify the purchase. And for the record, this whole analog versus digital argument is old. Do you like what you hear enough to justify the cost. That is ultimately the end result.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Couldn't have said it better Tim! In my last video, most people, and I mean most people, comment they liked the One Steps better. Since both came from Sony, both had a digital step so it just goes to show digital is not the boogey man some people claim it to be.
@JimmyV1530
@JimmyV1530 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub But does that still justify charging $125 for a One Step 🤔
@dimebagdave77
@dimebagdave77 2 года назад
🔥THNX for weighing in🔥
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yeah...I had several people ask and I had an hour free to throw something together pretty quickly so I figured why not. My normal pace is to take eight hours or more just to edit up one video. This one was easy ;)
@dimebagdave77
@dimebagdave77 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub thanks very much for always taking the time to chat with me brother, it's always meant a lot
@BeaSides
@BeaSides 2 года назад
When all of this hit the fan, Robert z and I agreed that we needed a BarakaPDub point of view in this discussion. Thank you, sir!
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Ha ha. Not that my point of view matters that much but I had several people comment and I had a couple of hours free to string something together. Thanks for watching Bea.
@ghborden
@ghborden 2 года назад
good job. I love your channel and watch all your videos. I agree with your sentiment on this. On all levels. Thanks for the quality content.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment George. It's appreciated and I am glad there are people that agree with my mode of thinking. I don't always get that.
@mikejeffries8630
@mikejeffries8630 2 года назад
They should now change ‘One Step’ to ‘Misstep’. 😉
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Ha ha. Like the pun Mike!
@mazzysmusic
@mazzysmusic 2 года назад
But Paul, we all love hearing your take on this. I’m with ya ✌🏻
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
You Banana analogy was the best my friend. Simple and to the point.
@BattManion1979
@BattManion1979 2 года назад
Hey Spazzcrap, Michael 45 already did the 'Waiting for Columbus' comparison. What could you possibly add to the conversation? 'This is a good record' I like this record'....what deep-seated insight. I liked you better when you were wasting everyone's time with coffee prep.
@the80slivehere
@the80slivehere 2 года назад
Hi Paul: 👍. You always have a nicely measured approach. Loved your comments. Honesty is the only real policy. We see that this is often learned in hindsight. Have a great weekend, crank some CDs. 😊 - Heather
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks Heather...going to have to do a bunch of errands today so the CDs will be cranked. I am just thankful I got one the last run automobiles that had a CD player come standard. Have a great weekend and thanks for listen to my two cents in this huge money pot.
@danielryan8319
@danielryan8319 2 года назад
This could be an opportunity for Mofi to start producing AAA records for the first time
@jayzeeshawn
@jayzeeshawn 2 года назад
I have one from 1979.
@mikejeffries8630
@mikejeffries8630 2 года назад
The last time they did triple 'A' the dog listening to His Master's Voice hadn't been weaned.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Ha ha. Since they really don't have any good documentation to begin with. You might be right.
@kevinmosher6027
@kevinmosher6027 2 года назад
Well said! It’s the music that matters
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks Ken!
@janedoe6350
@janedoe6350 2 года назад
It wouldn't be so bad but people pay a premium for something that's not what it says on the tin. You say it's the music that matters? Sounds to me it's more like it's the money that matters.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Hello Jane. For the company, now that this has come to light, you are absolutely right. It's unfair for them to charge what they are charging. Especially, for the One Steps.
@jikenj
@jikenj 2 года назад
Great video! for the most part I buy just OG's from the 60s and 70s during pretty good shape or blue note and analog productions also but I do have some mofis new and old still happy.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks for watching Joe and that's my bottom line. If I am happy with the music and the sound then why complain?
@ceejaydeesoozaa
@ceejaydeesoozaa 2 года назад
thanks for taking the time to do this video paul 😊😊 been looking forward to your response regarding DIGI-MOFI. just read the liner notes of my OG eye in the sky CD. yup the sony 1610 is also mentioned. as a sidenote i also read the liner notes of my OG i robot. no mention of digital anywhere. was i robot recorded analog paul? p.s. wow didnt know MOFI actually edited out that part on their eye in the sky LP release. in one word. SNEAKY
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yes sir, I Robot was all analog. I think the first digitally sourced record was Ry Cooder's Bop Until You Drop which was issued in '79 or so and digital remained a bit of a rarity until the early eighties. By the 90's, analog tape was the rarity as many transitioned to pure digital. Yes, they were sneaky in what they did with the jacket. It just shows they where trying to hide things.
@ceejaydeesoozaa
@ceejaydeesoozaa 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub wow thanks for writing back paul. didnt know digital started in 79. i think one of the earliest digital LPs i have is michael franks objects of desire which i think was released in the early 80s. sounds good but his earlier 1977 LP sleeping gypsy sounds so much nicer.
@FleagleSangria
@FleagleSangria 2 года назад
Thank Paul for the video. Yeah, who could have imagined this in the middle of the vinyl boom? Me. lol. Im really not surprised. Mofi has been way too secretive and no one up front for the PR for as long as I can recall. Like you, Im not a purist. I just want the best sounding verions of the albums I enjoy. I understand folks being pissed about this. But I kind of see it as a positive situation. If 4xdsd can sound so good to fool us all, then perhaps there is hope for the best sound on a more stable media. Bring on the downloads. Ill still keep my lps. But yeah. Thanks again for your efforts!
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks John. Yeah, I am really surprised it took this long for someone to really, really call them out. They've been living fat on the hog for far too long and they're really lucky they got away with what they did. Honestly, I see some digitally mastered records sounding quite good. It really all depends on the mastering engineer and the tools they have available at their disposal.
@redcomusic
@redcomusic 2 года назад
The hilarious meltdowns are going to provide priceless entertainment for me in the coming weeks/months 🤣🤣 - Red
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yes...it all is pretty funny.
@LaserRotShow
@LaserRotShow 2 года назад
One of the major reasons I started collecting over a decade ago was because of Dynamic Range issues. Too many of the CDs I had growing up were victims of the Loudness War. Finding a well mastered LP release that alleviates those issues (RHCPs' Californication & Stadium Arcadium specifically, but there are many others) is worth it no matter the source IMO. It's not like my ears aren't shot from playing in metal bands anyway.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I hear you on the Loudness Wars. I have those two albums on CD and you can definitely see the clipping when you look at the wave form.
@pinchebolillosrecordranch
@pinchebolillosrecordranch 2 года назад
Well said. I tried to make a video about this Friday morning after work and wound up rambling. One thing that would be interesting to do is have a sound comparison on the MoFi Kind of Blue and the Columbia Jazz edition from the mid.80's since the Columbia Jazz series consisted of all digital remixes.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Hmm. I have close to a dozen copies of that damn record but I don't have that one. That would be a fun shoot out between the two. I am going to try to do a Miles needle drop in the next video but the last time I tried to do a Miles needle drop it was blocked.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Subbed your channel by the way.
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 2 года назад
Thanks for alerting me to the fact that Eye In The Sky has new releases.
@alanrogs3990
@alanrogs3990 2 года назад
How many copies do you have already? 😁
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Me only two.
@danrogers6261
@danrogers6261 2 года назад
Transparency is the issue and that is it. This news just tells me MOFI won’t be that final word if there is an analog cut to chase down. Intervention records seems to be the benchmark of how to reissue. The Church’s Starfish is a current favorite of mine.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I 100% agree with you Dan! I have that same record and no one does it better that Intervention.
@skycaptain1580
@skycaptain1580 2 года назад
I agree with you. Like you said a certain portion of the material, particularly starting from the mid 80’s (but already in the late 70’s - Jerry Goldsmith’s Star Trek was recorded such as in 1979) has been recorded in digital to begin with. But all this fuss must not take away the quality of their work (and it is very good… except for INXS’Kick). The problem with « ego » is that it crushes under its own weight, and their’s was big enough to shake all the world around in the wake of this event. It is for us to be better than them and to pass beyond their arrogance. Besides there are things far worse than that. Peace- Patrick
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Like you illustrate, digital has just become more and more prevalent. As we got into the 90s, the amount of all analog recordings we vanishing and now it's a rarity to be all analog. And yes, their version of INXS is absolutely terrible, like everything else on that darn Silver Label series. Hope you are doing well Patrick and you're surviving the heat wave!
@wpg_dude1400
@wpg_dude1400 2 года назад
just like that turntable looks like a $500 unit to me
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Sure.
@derosa1989
@derosa1989 2 года назад
Mark Wilder did make an analog copy of the stereo remix in 1997 - Greg Calbi had that tape at Sterling when he did the 50th Anniversary KOB. Ken Micallif wrote an Emuscian article about it from March 1 2009
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Interesting. Someone else made that comment and I will have to look up that Ken Micallif article. He is someone I do respect immensely. It still makes me wonder if Mofi truly used that '97 tape.
@derosa1989
@derosa1989 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub yes, totally still a question about what Mofi did use!
@MWO486
@MWO486 2 года назад
It’s only music not world affairs [statement coming a musician]… Thanks for a balanced perspective.🙂
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Well stated my friend. Where have you been? You're missed.
@yanni5848
@yanni5848 2 года назад
What about Kind of Blue from Analog Productions?
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub Год назад
Hello Yanni. That one is definitely from the original master tapes. AP did a Zoom session on it with Bernie Grundman before it was released. AP used the Classic Records metal work to press their UHQR and it was cut by Bernie. Bernie commented that when he received the original three track master for the Classic Records cutting, the tapes were in great condition given their age. That was probably the last time Sony let anyone else use the original three track master tape.
@MelindaMurphy
@MelindaMurphy 2 года назад
I was hoping you would make a video about this. I wanted to hear your thoughts. I'm disappointed about how they handled this and I still think they should make their own video explaining the decisions they have made. I'm still a fan of their records and I am really hoping that this situation doesn't endanger the Van Halen One Steps. 😕 Thank you and have a great weekend.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks Melinda. This one was pretty easy for me to put together in an hour or two versus my other videos which take a little more time and prep. I do hope they will be far more forthcoming starting now and here on out. Like my last video, the vast majority of comments being made show a preference for the One Steps and both of those had a digital step. For the Van Halen's, I am still keeping in my pre-order for those titles but I am hoping by the time they are put out, they will have a little more transparency put in place. I love VH too much to cancel my pre-orders.
@dietchapstick7890
@dietchapstick7890 2 года назад
The VH1 album is a huge nostalgia thing for me. One of the first vinyl records I ever heard as a kid. That said, I am not giving more money to lying scum. It's the principle of the thing. I don't care if I "miss out" either. This whole FOMO thing around records needs to just DIE IMHO. Not what the hobby should be about. The whole industry needs to get back to basics.
@JimmyV1530
@JimmyV1530 2 года назад
But does it justify to still charge $125 for each One Step ? 🤔
@primeanalogrecords
@primeanalogrecords Год назад
Duplicitous is more the word I think! And like I say in my video about this, Its All Your Fault, They went along with the consumers assumptions and double and tripled down! They were literally laughing their way to the bank! I never was a big MOFI consumer and own older MOFIs about 15 or so with the only possible DSD transfer was the silver label Carol King which sounds incredible! Ive always been most interested in OG's since in great condition sound amazing and are the artist original vision! My new mantra..."Remastered"=Digital, OG=Original Master Tape!
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub Год назад
I honestly think they got so deep into their own lie and mystique, they just could escape it. Going with a good OG does ensure you'll always be coming from the master ;)
@harmlessrebel868
@harmlessrebel868 2 года назад
I am more surprised that so many people were surprised by this news. While I love MoFi and will still buy their products I have been very suspicious of the Original Master Recording banner. It was common knowledge in the audio community that the Days of Future Passed master tape was damaged shortly after the first pressing and that every pressing for the next 4 decades of the album came from a remix, yet in the early 80s MoFI advertised their pressing as being cut from the original master tapes. I remember mentioned that to a friend years ago and he mentioned a couple of other pressings where the master's were lost of damaged. It sucks, but at least the truth is getting out.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks for chiming in as I didn't know about the Days of Future Passed master tape and the funny thing is, that's one of the older, first gen Mofi's I do have. I may have to seek out an original pressing of that to compare.
@TheRollingStoness
@TheRollingStoness 2 года назад
Yours is the 4the video I watch in addition to the unholy Trinity Mazzy, Micheal 45 and Fremer..to my ears, no matter what the source is, digital or analog, once the tracks are in wax, the sound loses most of its digital harshness or brightness in majority of cases, which my ears love...the vinyl sound, warm as the cassette days..in addition, placebo effect is on me all the time .
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Well said Rolling Stone. This is really a subject I want to cover in a dedicated video. Vinyl produces it's own unique sonic signature, just like analog film. I know Fremer said he could hear it coming from digital in some cases but for me, unless I was really trained to do it and had an even better system, I would be hard pressed to pick it out.
@L.E.55472
@L.E.55472 2 года назад
Noooo Alan Parsons was/is big on digital so he went to digital format I believe.....good morning Paul....☕️👏🏻- Lis 🎶
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I have heard exactly the same Lis. There were several bands in the 80s that went all in on digital and never looked back.
@L.E.55472
@L.E.55472 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub I remember reading it Paul in a musicians magazine years ago, they had done an interview w him and he really was all in on the digital format! I guess being a producer/engineer it was more appealing to him, BUT I love the way Speakers Corner put it out!!! So you would know up front! cheers my friend!
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
Sony Music has analog master tapes. But it is said that they do not allow anyone to take it from their building. However, Michael fremer said that acoustic sound had an agreement with Sony Music and could therefore have access to analog master tapes. if i heard correctly
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yes. When Sterling Sound was located in New York, it's true, Sterling had easy access to the master tapes.
@leon9021
@leon9021 2 года назад
My understanding was that Wilder made a last transfer of the master tape, as in the 2 track workmaster as it had been used and worn down over the years but the 3 track was barely used and still fine. Is that incorrect? Agree with most everything else you said Paul.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Hello Leon. I have heard some of that myself and I was scratching my head as to why Sony would do that? Bernie Grundman comment the original three track master was fine when he cut it for Classic Records. Maybe Sony did it for Mofi? Maybe it was a digital tape transfer. It just defies logic when they've been digitizing their back catalog for preservation like the other two major labels.
@leon9021
@leon9021 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub They did a transfer of the 3 track Im sure as you have to in order to make a new mix, but my guess is that they made one of the 2 track for the last time as its worn down but also the original mix which makes it special. But who knows, sometimes it makes me wonder who is exaggerating about the tapes, the labels claiming they are worn to bits or the engineers saying they are good as new?
@shpater
@shpater 2 года назад
I thank you for your videos about the MOFI issue. The MOFI case is a mirror faced in front of the Audiophile community that reveals the replacement of the main goal of a common audiophile which is the desire for a maximum/best sound quality reproduction with a race after the isosteric hard to get more expensive all analogue process. This has occurred without us the community stop to ask ourself or even worse, when a digital step added to an audio process is ruled automatically to be bad for the whole cutting process even it enables a (no doubt about it) superior one step pressing. no one is evaluating the whole chain. the word digital has blocked the thinking process of the total result. The question have to be asked why MOFI who undouble achieved a higher sound quality (as reported for the Abraxas release for example) had to be vague on the fact they are using a digital process in their updated sound reproduction process? is it because they want to hide a fact they are selling a much easy to produce and inferior "CD on Vinyl" product (the statement is just for the sake of discussion) and continue collecting money with higher profit from the audiophile "suckers"? or maybe is it because Audiophiles community, who their moto is judging a product sonic quality with their own ears will be too shocked to hear (Double meaning... 🙂 ) that digital process exists and add an advantage to the sound quality, in conflict with the community conception which automatically detach a "made from original master" when a step of a super high resolution digital copy is involved? If MOFI would have used a 2nd generation analogue copy, done by MOFI from original master, and not a DSD process, would the Vinyl community have accepted this step because the All analogue purity has been maintained? we have to remember that MOFI have replace the "Father + Mother" steps with a 2nd generation copy so there is an important improvement added to the process together with that 2nd generation added step. Why nobody talks about the total results? why focus only on one (important) added step? why nobody evaluate the 2 choice between a DSD vs a 2nd generation Analogue copy which MOFI has gone already for us? So the vinyl community has to first identify if the latest MOFI "one step" process has a total improvement of sound or not, comparing to any process MOFI has presented over the years, and comparing with other companies audiophile releases, of course also with price tag comparison. Last, I present you with the most shocking "Elephant in the room" which no one yet on all the MOFI videos so far has neglected to talk about: In case MOFI "one step" process is found to be actually the best audio quality and efficient way to cut a vinyl from an original master then it means that within the chain of cutting process, The DSD step has the maximum and better sound quality source for the vinyl cut process, better than the vinyl product itself. This has a huge impact on the vinyl industry, because the DSD (or other high res digital file format) can be sold and streamed with even a better quality than that of the best vinyl pressing there is. This means that audiophile vinyl format becomes to be in the third place of the highest audio quality possible (the second place belongs to an exotic, expensive and very limited in quantities direct Reel to Reel studio quality copy of the original master Tape) and 1st audio quality posible to obtain at home would become to be a digital file. This removes the carpet under the whole vinyl industry, or at least the audiophile vinyl industry, and this is in my opinion the real reason for MOFI ambiguity on the cutting process.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
All good points and questions shpater. I think everything they have done to date is called into question. You mention 2nd generation analogue copies and they could very well have been using this too. After this when it comes to the claim of being the Original Master Recording, everything is now suspect. What other skeletons are lying in the closet. Regardless, if the sound is good at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I will gladly take the cheaper DSD SACD if it truly sounds good to my ears.
@shpater
@shpater 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub Thank you for your quick reply. Just to Clarify, When I mention a 2nd Generation copy is a copy which MOFI is doing from Original master tape provided to MOFI in their location or at a remote location. Mentioning original master recording but using a 2nd generation copy as a starting point is out of the equation for "original master recording". So what original master recording is to my understanding and according with MOFI explanation is that MOFI start their cutting from authenticated 1st generation Master tape, then it goes to a 2nd generation copy (Which MOFI preferred choice is a DSD x4 ) then it goes to their original cutting process improved to be a single step (skipping the traditional Father then Mother namely a 3rd generation stamper copy,
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
It was an interview with a guy at anslogproductions. He wanted to re-issue an album with the Doors. And he made it clear that he wanted from analog master tape. The day went through all the paperwork and for dealing and then they say We we give you the digital copy. Then the guy at Analog produktions says. Analog master tape or no business. So they simply had to find the old master tape
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
That's what I like about Chad Kassem and he has the photos/videos/documentation to prove the source he was using.
@bpabustan
@bpabustan 2 года назад
Can master tapes more than 50 years old can still handle making lacquers?
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Good question Bryan but yes, they sure can. If treated well, they can sound just as fresh as they did when they were recorded. There is a AP reissue of a Duke Ellington title recorded in 1951 and it sounds just as good, if not better than a lot of recordings being made today. Tape, like anything though, is subject to wear. It's like an old VHS copy of Star Wars, yes you can make out the image but it's sure is fuzzy after being play 1000 times in various VCR machines.
@MoodyBlue42..
@MoodyBlue42.. 2 года назад
"It's the music that matters" Mmmm... Music Matters!! I think you went subliminal there Paul 😁 Another thought provoking video. You'll always have people in different camps and their guy does no wrong. Will this hurt mofi? Probably not. They'll send out their P.R. people and do a little damage control and all is forgiven. They'll send out mailers with mofi coupons 🤣🤣 . Side note. Found a super clean original German press I Robot and it sounds flipping fantastic!! Have a great weekend brother 😁
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks MoodyBlue42. I think they're going to get a little scorched on this one given the commentary I've seen on the Pre-Order cancellation. To what degree though will be an interesting thing to watch. We're only going to know when we see how they press forward as a company. Subliminal...I am glad Music Matters didn't copyright the term ;)
@MoodyBlue42..
@MoodyBlue42.. 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub I do like your take on it though. We have more important things to worry about. But then again. It's about integrity and accountability and alot of hard earned money gone to a product that was supposed to be as close as you could get to the actual master. I remember in the mid 80's seeing their stuff at Camelot Music and thinking I'll never be able to afford this. I think they were selling for about $40 bucks a title at the time. 1985 dollars.
@popcornsamurai
@popcornsamurai 2 года назад
So here is my question… if the Elvis, if the Jackson, the Adderly and the Davis are reviewed well by trusted sources when the come out. Do I buy them on Vinyl or just get the Hybrid SA CD since it is digital anyway. Buying the SACD versions save me 100s f dollars that I can spend elsewhere.
@irishbeatbox
@irishbeatbox 2 года назад
So here’s my notion on this. After all of this curfuffle I took out my MoFi SACD’s of Tapestry and KOB and the 45rpm’s. I did A/B comparison to them and was absolutely blown way by how much better the vinyl sounded. They both a much fuller soundstage and the instruments were much better defined. They sounded like the actual instrument. The SACD’s sounded a bit duller. I have an Oppo BD103, so it’s not a slouch and it’s on my same Cambridge amp as my P10 is. But anyways, I was actually surprised by the difference in sound. Is it mastering choices or is it my gear?🤷🏻‍♂️. I only know that I thought the vinyl sounded better. Cheers
@alanrogs3990
@alanrogs3990 2 года назад
@@irishbeatbox But if you only had the SACD would you even know it? Would your enjoyment of the music be any less? Would your life be less fulfilling?
@irishbeatbox
@irishbeatbox 2 года назад
@@alanrogs3990 well of course I wouldn’t know any difference. But I do have both and did notice a difference. I’m just saying I thought the vinyl sounded better and I was surprised by it. I would have expected them to sound the same
@popcornsamurai
@popcornsamurai 2 года назад
@@irishbeatbox thank you. That helps a lot.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Good question Bryan and I think Scott said it well in the comments. They typically have Shawn or Rob doing the SACDs; whereas, Krieg has been doing all of their vinyl cuts for the past several years. With the mastering being different, you get a different experience and it really depends too on your system. I have a little more investment put into my vinyl end than I do with my digital end. Better Phono Stage vs. DAC (OPPO BD-83). I am curious what their Thriller take is going to sound like but the original done by Bernie Grundman sounds fantastic to my ears so I think it will be very hard to improve upon. With all their pre-orders on that one being cancelled it may take them a long time to move 40,000 copies with Sony also putting out their own reissue. If you like the Mofi SACD sound, it might be best to stick with it versus paying a premium for something they shouldn't be charging so much of a premium anymore.
@borisspantic1333
@borisspantic1333 2 года назад
I am not continuing to buy expensive digital vinyl.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
It is expensive for sure.
@Baz63
@Baz63 2 года назад
agreed re Kind Of Blue. My suspicions were aroused back then and sorry it has been confirmed. The information was misleading and i think the reputational damage could prove profound. Many thanks for your thoughts and, as usual, i agree with you.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks Barrie. I am really interested what their next move is going to be after this whole debacle. I have read comments of people dropping a lot of their pre-order so if it's a significant enough dig to the companies bottom line, you would think they will take some kind of action.
@Baz63
@Baz63 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub As they have been caught, in effect, with their fingers in the till then a pricing restructure may reduce the effects upon the brand. With a cost of living crisis here in the U.K at least this is an avenue they may not have an option to ignore.
@JosephISOLA
@JosephISOLA 2 года назад
L'essentiel c'est la musique. Analogique / Digital ? Peu importe ! The main thing is the music. Analog / Digital? No matter ! The bottle doesn't matter, as long as you're drunk.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
You hit it spot on with your statement, 'The main thing is the music.' That is what I go for at the end of the day and the most important factor for me.
@deadquietvinyl
@deadquietvinyl 2 года назад
I don’t want to exclude the engineers from this mess, but could it be the marketing department or above who posted or took what they wanted from covers? Could this be the case? For the engineers to not be asked about how they did it?
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Who knows really but even in previous interviews with the engineers, they've been deceptive. I think they have always been trying to create the perception of being all analog.
@penguinshoes6256
@penguinshoes6256 Год назад
what I love is the impurity of vinyl records. Vinyl records will always (imo) be an imperfect medium. There are countless ways for the sound quality to sound bad through my speakers. The vinyl record could be warped, there could be a high static charge to the vinyl record, or the record could be completely scratched up, or the record could be really dirty and needs a spin clean. I can go on and on, but regardless its WACK that MoFi wasn't being transparent to the customer about the source material. I have a couple MoFi albums and 2 One Steps. I bought this before Mike from the In Groove interviewed MoFi to get down to the truth about MoFi's source material. I personally will still collect MoFi albums but I just have to be very particular about what I want to invest my time in
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub Год назад
Your hitting on themes which I want to go over in a future video. Vinyl is definitely imperfect but for whatever reason, people are drawn to the sound. For what it's worth, despite the lack of transparency, most folks have commented Santana's Abraxas is the best it ever sounded on the One Step and on that point I do agree. I will continue to buy them but it will have to be for very specific albums. Thanks for watching and commenting Penquin Shoes and sorry for my delayed response.
@mrjape71
@mrjape71 2 года назад
Hi, Paul! I think they should resurrected that "three letter code" from the early days of CD 👉 AAD, ADD, DDD and so on. If that would be clearly printed on the cover then anyone could see right away whether the source was analog or digital. I hope they would be honest. Is it that hard? I guess it is when it comes to "hi-fi stuff". Let's try to keep enjoying the music anyway, 😎👍 Jarkko/MyVinylBar
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Hello Jarko. I am with you 100%. I think they need to bring back the SPARS code for complete transparency.
@stevecarlsonvinylcommunity9147
@stevecarlsonvinylcommunity9147 2 года назад
For me it comes down to sound, if it sounds great then I am happy. People have been claiming these MoFi albums are the best sounding so they must sound good. If suddenly everyone starts saying it does not sound as good then that would also be disingenuous. Good video
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
So I do know they take their time with the transfers and how the final product sounds. Just look at their production rate. They maybe put out a single record once every two months and they have three people on staff doing the mastering. Nobody else works like that. Frustrated on their lack of clarity but regardless, I many of their titles do sound stellar in this third incarnation of the company.
@pablov1973
@pablov1973 2 года назад
The major problem I find in this that Mofi wasn´t clear about what "analog" means. But after that, I understand perfectly the situation. Analogue tapes are aging, no matter how well preserved the could be, it would be a time in which you could not retrieve anything from there. Can be created second copies from that? Yes, in the 80s maybe they would create new copies on 30 ips tapes or later simply on DAT 48Khz/16bits. Now, I can imagine what major label preservation strategy would be nowadays: "If I want to preserve all those tapes, the most faithfull way of keep the esence of the master is transfering all to DSD at the higher possible sample rate, and from those files make the amount of copies I would need". So, if someone buy records only because the source is analogue, chances are that they will listen a second or third generation copy, the one that sound better, but in 85% of the cases the will listen a digital file. I repeat what I said early, Mofi must be very clear about which sources they are using. I dón´t believe they must do a video showing how they made the master for their pressing. Is enough been clear about the point. On the other hand, please, as a customer, everyone have to become a more informed consumer in order to not to fall so easily into marketing traps. We love music and is the more important element in our record collection, but if we dig a little much deeper in the technology development, it will be less probably that you end buying a U$S 3000 record that is the same that U$S 30 SACD.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
So I don't think they all have been using DSD. I know Universal has been using PCM to archive the tapes. This is evident from the labels you can see on the Blue Note tape boxes. Most of those labels reflect their doing 24/192 or 32/386 (in some cases). My hearing isn't good enough to pick out an issue with either and I am betting the Universal fire drove them to digitally archive these tapes as an insurance police for the future. Mofi is starting to label each of the albums on their website but they haven't made a direct announcement of it. Looking at each of the titles it only looks like 10% or less is truly all analog.
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
Sony Music has analog master tapes. But it is said that they don't allow anyone to take it from their building. But maybe there can be exceptions
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
That's correct. They stopped allowing master tapes to leave their storage facility. Universal will allow it but you have to pay at least a million dollars in insurance to secure the tape. This is how ERC gets some of the tapes over to England.
@CatDadChris
@CatDadChris 2 года назад
They actually would be able to make the statement about the master tape in the case of Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms because there would have been a master tape. A digital master tape. They wouldn't have used hard drives until the 90s.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Well...did they have the original digital master tape and could that same digital master tape get transferred to another medium later on? With digital, unless you get a bit flip, it doesn't matter what it was recorded on and you'll never really be able to know it was the master unless there was a checksum applied. Without visual and confirmed documentation, we'll never know. Additionally, digital noise is very distinctive and doesn't create the same artifacts that analog tap does so I standby my statement.
@CatDadChris
@CatDadChris 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub I don't know that they actually had the tape. I was just arguing the semantics of the term "master tape" and that it can apply to digital. I am guessing they were sent a copy. Only they know for sure.
@PPRUVIAN
@PPRUVIAN 2 года назад
So...Analogue Productions UHQR is the way?
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
No. AP has been pretty transparent about the UHQRs and the Miles Davis came from the old Classic Record plates so I trust Chad. I can't speak for Tull's Aqualung as I don't have that one but I have to give AP the benefit of the doubt.
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
Michael Fremer Says he can hear if the vinyl is from an analog source or from a digital source. And he says that analog sound is better in several ways as a larger soundstage
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I am glad he can and maybe this is true for his rig that I am sure is worth half a million dollars. I would be hard pressed to pick out the two.
@brokewithaudiophiletaste6076
@brokewithaudiophiletaste6076 2 года назад
Pretty much how I see it too. Funny you mentioned Speaker's Corner. I decided to buy their Miles Smiles reissue just yesterday because of all this. MoFi had announced several months ago they'd do a future edition of Miles Smiles as a 33rpm super vinyl around the same time Speaker's Corner did a repress of theirs. I went back and forth, decided then to wait for the MoFi. But with the revelation that MoFi is DSD, I ordered the Speaker's Corner. I'm not boycotting MoFi or anything, but I definitely prefer a known AAA over a known DSD. BTW, I ordered from a German vendor, getting Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz and Lou Reed's Transformer (both also Speaker's Corner) at the same time. Thanks to reduced value of Euro and them not charging VAT for international orders, it ended up being $36 per record including shipping, which is cheaper than MoFi! (I composed this comment last night but it apparently didn't send, so here it is now)
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Nice! It's funny you're mentioning Miles and Transformer. On Transformer, KG cut it as an RCA reissue several years back and I am doing a shoot out with it and the Speakers Corner version. Yesterday, I did two takes on the video and ended up using this first take because my camera cut out towards the end of the second take. The first take I forgot to talk about 'Round About Midnight' and I had the title pulled for the video. I have the Mofi and Speakers Corner edition and I will try and pull them into the shootout. My problem with Miles though is that I've tried to do needle drops of his records before and they've always been blocked. Maybe I can get this one to sail through since it's not one of his more popular titles. Regardless, I find Speakers Corner albums to be a good deal for what they are and they've used KG for a number of their reissues.
@brokewithaudiophiletaste6076
@brokewithaudiophiletaste6076 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub oh that's great, I was aware of the Kevin Gray one, looking forward to the comparison
@dconsmack
@dconsmack 2 года назад
We’ll never know if an all analog cut would’ve sounded better. People were ripped off.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
This is true given the premiums we pay on their products.
@VinylRundown
@VinylRundown 2 года назад
So Wilder did a 24/192k transfer. What about all this 2.5Mhz (millions of bits) that DSD is supposedly capable of? Im trying to understand dsd better. Thx.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
So what little I do know, at least from the EMI side, all of the Blue Note titles got either 24/192 or 32/384 transfers for preservation. EMI/Universal hasn't used DSD for their transfers...at least in the documentation and scans of the original tapes that I have seen. I can't speak for what Sony is doing with all the old Columbia and RCA titles. The processing is different for DSD vs. PCM. DCD is basically a voltage controller via the number of single bits sent vs. PCM which is like a sonic picture of a frame at a predetermined frequency. Regardless, when you keep going to higher and higher resolutions on either end, you're really not gaining that much. It's sort of like hi resolution film scans. We're at the point where the digital resolution of a 12K scan of an original negative meets that of the original negative. This is why you don't see people pining to have all analog film again. Analog film does have it's own character though vs. the squeaky clean image of digital.
@gerry1970may3
@gerry1970may3 2 года назад
Great video Paul, for me that is the word, honesty, and I really don’t see it on Mobile Fidelity, and I have a question and sorry on my ignorance, I’m not too much into digital, only when vinyl is super expensive and/or not available but I have some SACD, my question is my OPPO when I play any SACD says DSD, but I can’t see DSD on my OPPO SACD player I can only see PCM, and for me that is something similar to this situation with MOFI, I’m buying I’m paying for a SACD DSD and bottom line I just can’t see but PCM, and I see videos of differences between both DSD & PCM, do I need to spend MORE MONEY ON my equipment to be able to see DSD??? Great video again, and sorry for my dumb question
@mikejeffries8630
@mikejeffries8630 2 года назад
What do you mean when you say “my OPPO when I play any SACD says DSD, but I can’t see DSD on my OPPO SACD player I can only see PCM”? I’m asking because I also have an OPPO player and I might (no promises, though) be able to help with your query.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Unfortunately, my OPPO is down at the moment and I need to send it to have some work done. It hasn't been able to eject a CD/SACD for the past couple of months. I seem to recall having that same challenge when I got it. With my 83 model, I had to make sure it was streaming over the HDMI feed to my pre-amp if I remember correctly. It was really strange. If I get my player back up and running, I'll have to return to this comment. BTW - Not a dumb question Gerry.
@gerry1970may3
@gerry1970may3 2 года назад
@@mikejeffries8630 hello Mike, thanks for your comment, and sorry if I create confusion on my question, but here I go, I will try make it more clear. So I have an OPPO SACD player, and I have not too many Hybrid SACD’s, I have a few, and every time I played any of these SACD’s that on the product info says contains DSD files, so when I play them in my OPPO SACD player the status display says PCM, I have never been able to see displayed DSD, and another piece of information that I forgot to mention to Paul is the way I hook up my OPPO into my system is through the RCA from the OPPO my PrimaLuna integrated amplifier inputs RCA. My PrimaLuna integrated amp do not have HDMI Input Thanks again, hope this time I explain my self a little better Gerry
@gerry1970may3
@gerry1970may3 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub thank you Paul for your response, I responded with some additional info of my type of Integrated amplifier I have and which I have connected my OPPO SACD Player
@mikejeffries8630
@mikejeffries8630 2 года назад
@@gerry1970may3 Thanks Gerry. I have an oppo 105d. Have you checked in set up menu you have SACD output set to either auto or DSD, and not PCM? Also just double check you don't have SACD priority on playback set up set to CD mode. Hope this helps.
@J4060
@J4060 2 года назад
Never again.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yes. Never again.
@enricotesei3718
@enricotesei3718 2 года назад
Hi, btw, I like the song of your video, would you be so kind and tell me the name of the band, album abd title please, thank you
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Ha ha. So this one might be a bit hard to find since it comes from the stock music site Artlist. The artist is Dani Jalali and I am not sure if they have cut a record. The digital versions can be found on Bandcamp.
@enricotesei3718
@enricotesei3718 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub let's see, digital copy is ok for me, thank you
@highrantdistrict
@highrantdistrict 2 года назад
I wasn't gonna watch another MoFi video, but because it's you and you are great at analysis, I had to. Great stuff. I'm in the same boat - I just want a record that sounds great. If that means some of the prep was digital, that's fine, I'm focused more on the music than the sound. So long as something doesn't sound wrong - distorted, swooshie, dull, lifeless, etc - I'm usually gonna be happy. I just don't want to hear anything that pulls me OUT of the enjoyment of the music. Did MoFi lie? IMO, definitely. Does it bother me? Nope, that's life in this world, some people will lie to you, and this is a first-world problem. To be fair, though, I don't currently have any MoFi records in my collection, just a few CDs. I hate the banners on the album art. 😆 Cheers! Tom
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Ha ha...I am with you on watching yet another Mofi video. I've gotten tired of them too. Time to move on ;) And you right, I am with you, I just want a great sounding record at the end of the day. You're also not the only one that hates the damn banner ;)
@rainbowheart2728
@rainbowheart2728 2 года назад
Will you get the MOFI's One Step Bitches Brew?
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Ha ha. Funny question. I am on the fence about it. As much as I like Miles, I can't getting Bitches Brew to work in my head so I am not sure I want to pay the $125 to see if I can resolve the answer.
@rainbowheart2728
@rainbowheart2728 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub Undecided myself. In my 2500+ collection of LPs I don't own any MOFI's. I'm a bit tempted/ curious to start with Bitches Brew.....seems ironic to start now.... but $125? Geeeeesh.
@toofastforfitty3723
@toofastforfitty3723 2 года назад
I’m not sure why you say that Brothers in Arms shouldn’t have the generic “sonic artefacts” clause. It’s well known that that album was recorded on a Sony 24-track digital tape machine…so it still had a Master Tape, making the clause still relevant.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
And how many copies of that tape do you think we're made? And who's to say they really used the exact digital tape that was the outcome of the mixing session? Do you really think they would put anything out that had digital noise? Digital noise is very distinctive, unlike wow, flutter, and drop outs.
@toofastforfitty3723
@toofastforfitty3723 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub I’d have absolutely no idea how many copies were made of the original master digital tape. I have no doubt though that MOFI got hold of the original. Appreciate what you are saying though about digital noise being different to analogue noise, but I guess that’s why it’s a ‘generic’ clause and not a specific one.
@Frip36
@Frip36 2 года назад
If we clicked on it, we're not tired of hearing it. You know what I'm tired of hearing? Guys making MOFI videos and apologizing for it.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Sure.
@dixielandfarm
@dixielandfarm 2 года назад
Since the 70s they have been applying a smiley face eq to their records - how could any of this come as a shock that you are getting anything other than the most pristine copy of the master? At the end of the day (and I hate that expression), the product sounds great so I suppose people got hung up on that banner - I also thought at this point you aren't getting the masters - people have used a "safety" master, and that is not a master either, that is one generation down lots of times.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
You're probably right about the use of the Safety copies. With the larger pop and rock titles they use, I am betting the majors are truly not letting any one use the masters. I have a dozen or so copies of Mofi titles from their first incarnation and yes, Stan Ricker really did like putting the smiley face eq. I think that must have been all the rage back in the 80s.
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
It's only DSD64 on SACD it's not DSD256 as stated
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Mofi is finally stating this one their website for each of the titles. They still have more they need to populate.
@borisspantic1333
@borisspantic1333 2 года назад
The point is that they use false advertising to sell very expensive well wrapped digital records. I would NEVER spend that money on their records if I knew. LAWSUIT is pending. We all need to boycott MoFi.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yeah. There is a class action lawsuit brewing but honestly, how loosely they've worded their mastering terminology, I think it's a lost cause. Yes, it's misleading but you can shoot holes all over what they do state. If they expressly stated no digital used in their claim, then that kind of case would be winnable.
@leyland9999
@leyland9999 2 года назад
Hi Paul. I’m also sceptical about statements like you mentioned. On the other hand, as long as the sound is right, I do not care what method was used to press it in the groove. Yes, the Moody Blues on cd mostly sound terrible, the original Decca pressings are lightyears better than any MB cd I own. This is exactly why I never turned away from records. It is a constant debate and highly disputable if digital is sold as if it were analog, scam! Because it is a disgrace for the medium and most of the time the price for such a record is way too high. I treasure many original recordings on lp, one can’t get any closer to the original performance and the artist who once recorded it. Have I mentioned those polished Beatles performances?…..Just kidding. Bye, Willem, Hekelingen Holland.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Hello Willem! Someone else in this video or in another one also commented on the Moody Blues. The really recommended the OG pressing of the album over anything Mofi has done and I do have one Mofi pressing of the Moody Blues which is mediocre at best. I really need to seek out some original pressings of the first few albums because they can still be had pretty cheaply. Regards my friend!
@Roamany-Jones
@Roamany-Jones 2 года назад
I feel sorry for the guys who have invested so much money in mofi pressings. I have been a Collector of O.P's, not 'audioplile' records, for nearly 50 years so no what to look for if you want pure analogue. As I've tried to explain to the V.C many times in the past, digital was 1st introduced into the chain by the big boys, ie EMI, DECCA as early as 1979 and has always been in the chain in some form from 1980's onwards. If you want proof look at the Original Classical music records from this period. I have a large collection of Original First Edition Pressings and on the Label of most of these recordings from this period state's the word DIGITAL. As many other genres of music have also been recorded at Abbey Road (EMI) and Decca (Rolling Stones etc ) they will all have a Digital connection or possible source. So it is inevitable that will feed down the chain to all the re issue labels I have always tried to avoid, including Mofi. You have to have an Original Pressing before 1979 to have any degree of certainty that you have a AAA vinyl record. However some of the reissue labels can sound as good and in some cases better, which at the end of the day is what matters. Mofi almost always to my ears sounds too much like a digital file for me to have spent heavily on. I do like the sound of many of the A.P reissues Chad Kaseem puts out and much of his reissue catalogue is from recordings before 1980. So provided you trust his source material and what he says its nice to own a quality reissue if you can't find an O.P. I truly sympathise with all the mofi collectors who have all been duped by a guy at the top of mofi that should resign as he has lost his way. He seems not to care about his company's fan base. But just remember it's the sound quality and PACKAGE and ownership not found on a stream or CD you bought them for, not just the kudos. CD's suck because of the packaging not always the sound quality. We collect vinyl records for the whole package and the WAY they sound, DSD or otherwise, because when digital is put through a CD player or streamer something matter of fact happens which can be technically very good but not my preference as I have all 3 formats 🙂 N.B Brothers in Arms and Roxy Musics Avalon I do believe👍😉
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks for commenting Roland. As vinyl collectors go, while I am frustrated with the marketing, at the end of the day, I really picked this up for the music and as far as digital in the processing step goes, it doesn't bother me. I have maybe three times as many CDs as I do vinyl and most of listening is digital. Vinyl is really for those times where I want to go through that ritual listening session. Sort of like those days where I want to pay for that premium meal versus grabbing a frozen dinner from the fridge and warming it up. I agree with you on the packaging but to give CDs some credit, they did make some advancements in the years with the dedicate box sets or deluxe packages.
@VinylRescue
@VinylRescue 2 года назад
I don't own any MoFi and I find them too expensive for my budget anyway. I'm sure some of the later LPs I bought are sourced from digital and they sound just fine to me. Besides, I listen to a lot of music on Qobuz and that's digital. 😜😜
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Nothing wrong with Qobuz at all and most of my listening is digital for what it's worth. No record player in the office or in the car. What...no Mofi in the collection? Give it time.
@BigBoss-kk8hq
@BigBoss-kk8hq 2 года назад
So audiophiles can't tell the difference between DIGITAL vs analog? 🤔 tell me more
@67Pepper
@67Pepper 2 года назад
I knew a long ago that something was rotten in Denmark with some of their releases and stopped buying them. The last one I bought was Tigerlilly because I love that album, prior to that I bought the 2008 Abraxas that sounds muddy throughout. I think MOFI boosts the bottom end too much on a lot of their releases and would never buy a one-step, or 3-step is what they should be called.
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 2 года назад
@@67Pepper They've always been a hit and miss company skirting by purely on brand name and their expensive production process. The Beatles set everyone gushed over for decades sounds lame compared to some smaller, cheaper pressings of the same albums.
@roscoejones4515
@roscoejones4515 2 года назад
Give me a fucking break. No "audiophiles" I know are leaning in, desperate to determine the slightest bit of digital edge. They/we are listening to music, hoping to be engrossed in the sound, be that digital or analog. Generally a well-recorded analog source will more reliably provide that experience, but not always. It seems MoFi has learned how to provide an analog experience through a digital source, for which they are to be commended. Sadly, they are lying sacks of shit who are charging much more than they should be for a misrepresented product. BTW, I mainly listen to vinyl, but also LOTS of CDs. Hope this helps!🙄
@MelindaMurphy
@MelindaMurphy 2 года назад
I'm still enjoying these reaction videos. 🤗 I was hoping you were going to share your thoughts. I'm still a fan but I wish they had been honest with us. Thank you and have a great weekend.
@alanrogs3990
@alanrogs3990 2 года назад
@@roscoejones4515 Most records made today are way over priced and they are either warped or off center
@JBLClassic
@JBLClassic 2 года назад
Doesn’t it blow your mind, that through all of that deceit, ignorance and hateful behavior, they made some of the most incredible sounding albums that have been released recently?
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Honestly, I am not surprised. To be fair, they really do care about their craft. They have three engineers on staff and they put out one release every two months at best? Hell, Kevin Gray and Bernie Grundman are mastering at least one record a day and I am doubtful they have the time to go back and tweak things based on numerous test pressings.
@rael2099
@rael2099 2 года назад
People have been audio-fooled. I've always been suspect of Mofi business model, charging exorbitant amounts of money for a recording. It's all about the mixing, not the source, imo. With the Universal fire tragedy we will have to live with the idea that analog is gone for good. For example, when I made my return to vinyl, I bought the recent version of Steely Dan's Ajá, all to learn that that pressing was universally panned. It sounds fine to me. I guess I'll have to compare it to an obscure, worn out 70s pressing :shrugs: The one and only Mofi cd I got was a disappointment, and I only had my Discman to compare it to other versions.
@stanleycostello718
@stanleycostello718 2 года назад
My copy of "Aja" was the worse for wear, so I got a new version. The copy I got is BIEM/SADAM. LC01846. It sounds excellent. If I might ask, what recording do you have?
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I agree with you mostly. The mixing, mastering, and source are all key. If one item is messed up then the old 'garbage in/garbage out philosophy applies. There are some older pressings of Aja that are good. Grundman had a go of it at the time of its release if I recall correctly.
@rael2099
@rael2099 2 года назад
@@stanleycostello718 Oops, RU-vid deleted my comment. Mine is a 2008 ABC Back to Black LC01846, mastered by Bernie Grundman. Really mixed reviews in Discogs.
@rael2099
@rael2099 2 года назад
@@stanleycostello718 Same as yours, but BtB pressings don't have a good reputation. Unfortunately they release a lot of classics, and at accessible prices.
@stanleycostello718
@stanleycostello718 2 года назад
I have two BtB recordings. Aja and Nina Simone. I've got all of SD's, from CBAT through Gaucho. Unfortunately, I loaned my copy of Aja to a friend. When I got it back he must have used it as a Frisbee. Aja is excellent. Simone is less so. With BtB it's a risk, I guess.
@garethfitzpatrick3932
@garethfitzpatrick3932 2 года назад
What amuses me about the whole episode is the very fact these audio snobs have been shelling out and waxing lyrical about what is effectively a CD pressed as vinyl. It’s f’kin hilarious. Call it vinyl karma, the fact that they’re so obsessed with the latest represses that they never go near those battered pre digital records that were pressed from much fresher, less worn master tapes. It ensures those OGs end up in the right hands 😉
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
You just can't beat an original OG can you.
@therevrockinrollin
@therevrockinrollin 2 года назад
Tapestry sounded sus imho
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
That record sounded stellar from the start and I have the ORG version of it so I passed when Mofi did it.
@therevrockinrollin
@therevrockinrollin 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub that ORG one GOOD imho
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
That man probably talks about what Sony Music releases on its own vinyl records. That analog sound is not important to them is perhaps not so surprising, it is so hard and awkward to work with analog sound. Do they care at all about sound quality because there are higher sampling rates than 192 kHz. I suspect it is the money that is perhaps more important to Sony Music
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yes. Mark Wilder is a Sony employee and he is responsible for doing the digital archiving of all their master tapes. That said, WEA and Universal are doing much the same. The Universal fire was one of the drivers for the archiving.
@clivesilver463
@clivesilver463 2 года назад
Blu Ray audio DVDA SACD, digital formats as good if not better than these over priced specialist plastic products, the golden era 60 70's has gone if people want to spend a ton of cash on one album then more fool them. Good recordings should be available to all at a reasonable price.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
So I am partially with you. Vinyl produces it's own distinctive sound and I don't want to say that it's better or worse than digital. On paper, the capability of digital do exceed vinyl and many people have been conditioned to like the sound vinyl creates. Personally, I like them both for different reasons. The expense comment...yes, it is going over priced and that's one reason why I buy more digital nowadays.
@clivesilver463
@clivesilver463 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub Just to clarify I like Vinyl and bought my first album in 71, so yes I got used to a certain sound, at its best its meaty powerful and dynamic, when I heard DVDA is had that organic sound but more defined. But agree both can be good, but when I was young you bought an album for a decent price, their were no better options as everything was Analog back then, so music was for all not a wealthy few. Its a disgrace MF have misled people.
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
If you are going to negotiate with Sony Music, you will probably have to be tough and very decisive
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
True.
@Frip36
@Frip36 2 года назад
You look like what Doogy Howser would have grown up to look like.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I'll take that as a compliment.
@bubby372
@bubby372 2 года назад
Santana Abraxas can be had on sacd for less than ten bucks It's the same digital transfer that they are asking $2200 for on vinyl. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on...
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Well sort of but there is a minor difference. Yes, the sourcing could be the same but the mastering engineers are different. Shawn Britton did the SACD and Krieg Wunderlich did the One Step. That might make for a fun comparison as I have both. Something to consider for another video down the road.
@alanrogs3990
@alanrogs3990 2 года назад
Stop buying the same damn titles over and over and over again. Just buy it new or find an old copy and be done with it. It's not a wife. Just be satisfied with the ONE you have! Stop spending so much money on these things. How about buying a different record all together? None of them will really put you in a state of perfect bliss. Enjoy, and come back to it a few months later.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Oh, I still buy a lot of new records by new artist. Those purchases far exceed these boutique digital vinyl reissues. Why have one wife, when you can sample everything else ;) Let's go swinging!
@alanrogs3990
@alanrogs3990 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub lol, only Western society says it's wrong to have more than one. Even the Bible says it's okay.
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
When you say original master tape, you mean the original tape, not just any tape. A copy is not an original. original means something
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
That's why I am saying Mofi isn't as explicit as they should be. Anyone can claim their resulting source came from the master tape if you know what I mean. Everything is derived from a master tape when you get right down to it.
@dozo99
@dozo99 2 года назад
It’s simple, if mofi wants to release popular titles , They have to make and use a 4xdsd copy. Sony wil NOT allow transportation of analog tapes. And they do a lot of stuff from sony music.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yes. They've always had a deep partnership with Sony starting with this third incarnation of the company. They have more Sony titles than they do with the other two major labels. I think even if they had a partnership with Universal, Universal may not be super keen on the tapes making the trip up to Northern CA without a huge insurance deposit.
@Andersljungberg
@Andersljungberg 2 года назад
You should actually tell the customers what you sell to them
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
In the audiophile game, I agree.
@nelsondesilva3916
@nelsondesilva3916 2 года назад
I've been watching others talking about this and the conclusion I've reached is very similar to yours, yes it's annoying that they say one thing and actually deliver another but ultimately it's how good it sounds. I have analog and digital also, but if there is a consensus that suggest "A is better sounding than B" and it's digital, I'll go the digital. Great video.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Thanks Nelson. The video I made that precedes this pretty much confirms it based on the opinions of the many. While there were a few people that were original die hards, most people liked the sounds of the one steps better. Even with a digital step applied.
@miketomlin6040
@miketomlin6040 2 года назад
I may not order the Thriller MOFI now for $100. I was ambiguous pre this revelation of sorts as I can find good quality VG plus og's easily for a few dollars, millions sold, and have no interest in listening to banal pop music of this ilk, even if it costs me 1$. As a means to ridicule Audiophiles even more this 'disingenuous' saga has proved quite useful.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I have an original of Thriller cut by Bernie Grundman and I really don't think it can be bettered. Worth seeking out if you like the album and I am sure you can get it far less than $100.
@miketomlin6040
@miketomlin6040 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub I don't, like it. Off the Wall was tolerable, just about. My point is MOFI and similiar companies tend to reissure poor or average records, D Straits Lp's another good example, for the manstream consumer. Which can usually be found much cheaper. Obviously this makes sense from a financial perspective, but means we have even more low quality vinyls around. Plenty of solid efforts are hard to find on vinyl, yet struggle to be repressed. It's depressing.
@driesanalog4187
@driesanalog4187 2 года назад
Ok, it's official now - analog is dead !!!
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I love analog but it will likely disappear...eventually.
@horrorbiz1978
@horrorbiz1978 2 года назад
I get the lack of transparency, I think a lot of people are overreacting. It really should be about the music, and how good it sounds. I love how good the MOFI copies I have sound. I wrote on another video that using DSD/high res files for vinyl is going to be more common in the years to come, the labels are not wanting the master tapes to go out. DSD is a great source to use for records, I’m a big fan of SACD’s.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Very well said Matt and I don't think I could have said it better. All analog is really a rarity and most modern records all have digital sourcing. I too would prefer it to be DSD vs. PCM.
@BilboFromTG
@BilboFromTG 2 года назад
Thanks! This is the way to do it, and show it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1051WR1uEhU.html. So glad I’ve got it, especially as comfort in this debacle…😎👍
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
Yes! The AP series is the one to beat for the Doors and I grabbed them all when they debuted.
@garygray9223
@garygray9223 2 года назад
“At the end of the day the music matters”……..yet you felt the need to follow the pack…..mildly disappointed. IMO the proclaimed Audiophile world has been exposed and especially bad look for You Tubers for their hyperbole especially showing their disappointment because they have been found out after mostly universally promoting merits of Mofi for years. Too late to be indigent now , yet so many negative videos. Admit it …. most couldn’t tell difference between digital and analog…..Mofi definitely has some negative perception issues but You Tubers need to look at themselves and take some responsibility. Personally always been agnostic regarding format. Beside There’s no Crying in Baseball!
@lucillechilds9767
@lucillechilds9767 2 года назад
If it's all about the music then why not be upfront about it or better yet why did you limit pressing to give the illusion that it was analog everything MoFi did including charging a premium price was to give the illusion it was analog and they went out of their way to lie to everyone. I will stick with my Tone Poets.
@garygray9223
@garygray9223 2 года назад
I personally don’t feel deceived and could care less if digital or analogue, I own way more digital as well as hundreds of BN SACDs or CDs. I agree Tone Poets are a good value.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
I've never claimed to be an analog purist and I've said that in many videos. I to am also format agnostic, hence my showing of the SACD at the end. I have far more digital than I do vinyl. To me, it's the point they have dodged this issue for so long until someone called them out on making 40,000 copies of Thriller which was a totally fair question. It's even more sad they still haven't put out a statement.
@garygray9223
@garygray9223 2 года назад
@@BarakaPDub I know you were agnostic about format and your channel was one I watched often when I got back to vinyl in 2017. I appreciate that you were sincere and presented Intelligent reviews as well as occasional audio advice. This has been a great time for vinyl lovers with such variety of wonderful sounding vinyl and CDs. IMO it’s unfortunate that the Mofi situation created such turmoil in the vinyl community pitting people against each other with such passionate opinions. This pretty much mirrors what we’re experiencing in the world. IMO we need to start respecting each other especially when we disagree and we’re really on the same side……lovers of music. I like the approach of your videos now…..gives us the information and each can decide based on what we hear. Hoping for Peace.
@ellischernoff8603
@ellischernoff8603 2 года назад
Caveat Emptor. Mobile Fidelity started with true transfers of analogue tapes. While I have plenty of vinyl that were digital recordings, if the original recording was analogue, that's what I want cut to vinyl masters. I'm not interested in a vinyl pressing of a CD.
@BarakaPDub
@BarakaPDub 2 года назад
If it's a straight up 16/44.1 transfer, like what happens at GZ Vinyl, then I am totally with you.
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