I love the fact that people in their 40's and 50's (me) are chugging away and playing deadly metal and having fun! I can't imagine my old man doing shit like this at his age and it makes me happy seeing older metal heads CRUSHING it out!! Great work LambChopper678!! just think, in ten years seniors centres will be playing hip hop and metal and rave! lol. some already are.
Brother, Heavy Metal is for old people now. Young 20 years old people rarely listen to it. I'm 35 and feel I'm already too young for the average Metalhead...
Don’t they tho?? James is playing that under kirks part before the solo. It’s in the song and they play it live. It’s under the part that Kirk is playing before the solo.
@@HassHeater33 nah they stopped playing it after release of DM. There's footage of them playing around 06' where they include it. For a while it's been, "are you alive? How does it feel to be alive? Show me!" Then straight into the solo...
As a fan of Master of Puppets - it was pleasure to watch your video and listen to your playing. Sound was very close but what’s more important - vibe is here. Greetings from Poland, friend!
No OD, plug-ins, or hush pedal. Props to you for simulating their early tone, straight into a Boogie! To me, the closest simulation I've personally heard on RU-vid.
You already know, it was the layered tracks of different amps/settings that made the sound of every Metallica album, post Lighting, so destructive. Not to mention post processing, and mastering. Your effort, and your playing is commendable, and it is always fun to hear someone attempt to simulate the recorded tone of a classic. You have a great ear.
Wow, that's a chuggy tone. The main thing I like from this tone is that is not that chunky and has a nice amount of high mids while obliterating mids, giving that sparky, bright and spiky sound. It's not a meaty, mid range sound like the one in the Black Album or in RTL, but rather a very metalish sound. Which gives space for the bass to be fat and full of sound.
ok got it. well sir i do appreciate it. it is nice to hear a cab with a mic up to it as a lot of you tubers are doing the cab simulater thing so us old schoolers love hearing a REAL amp with a REAL mic as i feel like that art is fading away...keep up the great work.
This is a perfect example of when it sounds studio perfect in person and it sounds off when recorded & uploaded, Ive uploaded a similar video. But spot on for a raw amp recording!
Agree 100%. Seems totally plausible that this was the tone from the amps before they were double tracked, panned and processed in the studio. The “chug” on MOP is so unique.
Man I had one of these years ago. I wasnt very good with amps and tone etc at time. I returned it because I felt I couldnt get enough gain. Wish i didnt. Love your channel. Keep it up man. I'm thinking of buying an Axe Fx 2 XL. You should do a video on Axe Fx, Kemper, or Helix(Pedal or Native).
Sounds close, but almost sounds like the wrong speaker is being used. Weren’t they using Marshall cabs for this, and as standard they wouldn’t have had v30’s. If there’s one in your Mesa cab, that could be causing quite a difference.
I used to have a Mark V 90 combo that was glorious. I sold it to help pay for an engagement ring to my now wife of 8 years. Now I’ve got a pretty good collection of gear but mostly British amps. Those never quite scratch that Mesa itch though, and with so much gear I could never justify the purchase of another Mark V 90. Last year I found a good deal on a used Mini Rectifier and took it. I’ve kind of enjoyed it, but I spend way too much time fiddling with the knobs trying to dial it in and am never fully satisfied. I’m always trying to make it sound more like a Mark. After watching this video I’m buying a Mark Five 25. Thank you, sir.
Lateralus yeah but James has also modded his to bypass the pre amp and used a Marshall pre amp into the iic+. So although it may sound close, it’ll never actually get all the way there
@@Drewitall54 Yep, and he used a Jcm 800 as preamp. He also used the jcm 800 alone on Kill em all and RTL, but it was slightly modded. *edit* Oh and another importand note, he used Seymour Duncan Invader humbuckers in kill em all and RTL, and on MoP he used Gibson Dirty Fingers pickups 496R/500T
@@Drewitall54 Ohh that might be the case. I always get it mixed up. But the modded jcm he used on Kill em all and RTL was stolen mid RTL, thats why he wrote Fade to black, suicide song for his jcm :) He got a new one but never sounded the same
Im trying to chase the tone Cliff had on ride the lightning right now I'm on a tight budget until over here in the US our second stimulus check comes right now I'm getting a Dunlop crybaby with my $65 I got in my pocket then I'm getting a Bass big muff, tube screamer mini and a Boss compression sustainer probably might upgrade to a Fender rumble 40 even though I got a behringer 15 watt guitar amp I use as my bass amp due to the limited effects it has I use high gain settings to play bass solos and Lemmy's riffs
Thanks mate there’s no routine, I’ve been playing along with these albums for many years. I couldn’t always keep up with the record but I never gave up trying
Awesome job! I've had a Mark V 25 since they came out, but it occurs to me I've never tried to dial in a specific MoP tone, just a nice round crunch tone in general. Did you attempt the rhythm tones on the IIc+ mode before going to the crunch channel? One would think the IIc+ channel would also be a good starting point, given that's what James had in his aresenal at the time. I agree this thing can be very finicky to dial in!
In one of his other videos he says something about the IIc+ mode being the lead channel from that amp and he likes the crunch mode of channel one better. He did do a video of this amp where he tries to dial Justice tone in on the IIc+ channel and it sounds pretty good but the crunch mode may be just a little better at it. I know at least one of those videos is newer than this one.
Love your playing and Bias presets... p.s Fleming said he actually hated the 2c boogie sound, and not only was there an EQ on the amp, but one external and two in the control room
Luc Wilson the only thing I’d be scared of with the 25 combo is the 1x10 speaker, I feel like it wouldn’t be enough but ya never know. I’m def getting the 35w combo instead though. Good luck on your tone journey my friend :)
i thought i read somewhere that they tracked 4 rythym guitars using mesa,marshall and some other amps to help shape there tone. great video and never stop chasing your tone.
For sure, this was more aimed at putting a mic in front of a mk V and see how close it gets. I didn’t compress, eq or alter the recording in any way. It’s just to help people understand what to expect straight out of the box. I went all out trying to replicate the tone on a battery cover a few months ago and people accused me of ripping the audio from the original
Thank you for the video I bought a Mesa Mark V and a DSL 20 because of your videos. Awesome amps! I heard there is new Diezel VH mini at NAMM in super curious about it. Thanks again!
Mesa Boogie is one of kind amplifier. Very unique Chuggy sound .. old British Marshalls used to sound closer to this but the bridge pickup has to powerful too.. I could only imagine with some hetfield's EMG pickup..sounds great though!!
If you really wanted to be accurate, the mark2C+ mode would have been closer, since that is what James and Kirk used for the master puppets record. The sound was good nonetheless, yet after personally playing through a JP2C given that it’s essentially an upgraded 2C+ reissue, it nailed The master of puppets sound for me with my PRS style guitar. While the sounds in this video we’re good overall, I would try the twoC+ mode in channel 2 with a little more gain for all the main riffs.
Pretty close. I read that they used the preamp of the Mesa slaved into a modified JCM800 just to use the power amp section of the 800. Also read that they used the same speaker cabinet they used to record RTL which was loaded with Celestion heritage g12-65's.
Hey lamb, nice cover this amp absolutely master the puppets :) I juste wanted to ask you a question : i see you are doing a nice pretty middle finger to the crowd when you do power chords an i have the same « problem » as you so do you know a way to atenuate it please ?
In Ola's video he said something about running the II-c+ through the effects loop of a modified jcm800...i've wondered about doing that with your mesa and marshall (or one of the jcm800 studios...but i have a hard time spending the $ when a dsl is so inexpensive) great video. I really enjoy your content!
I know they had the mismatched preamp and power amp in the studio but it’s a little pointless using the two different heads in this case as I don’t have the rest of the gear in the chain to complete the signal. The main piece to the puzzle is the B&B aphex eqf-2. Without that you can only get so far. The small difference a power amp makes is pretty insignificant for my budget setup.
Back then it wasn't all about how the knobs were set, they did other things for the tone they wanted...like the mic positions, maybe put something in front of the amp etc... now you can buy software that will give your amp that sou8nd without having to do anything else.
if you take into account the studio & studio gear and subtract them from the equation think you got the tone as close to bang on with out the same pick ups as james.
Sounds really great! Quick question. At ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZNTxDyYXbFI.html are the crunch settings what you used for Masters? Because you said you're going to switch to channel two for a lead.
Hey man, I’d really appreciate some advice. I want to buy either a jackson rhoads rrt-3 or the dean vmnt angle of deth. I really like both but i’d just really like to know which one you’d recommend.thanks
Snop doggo I got a limited vmnt tigerwood with the Seymour Duncan’s and it’s kick ass, super aggressive pick ups so great for Metallica and megadeath and even pantera and I’ve played a lot of Jackson’s and none of them hold a candle to the power of the dean
I have both: Jackson KV Dave Mustaine 94, Kelly USA Marty Friedman 98, KV USA Custom and VMNT flame top run. The Jacksons have an amazing neck, thin but sturdy. It's THAT neck!! VMNT's have good neck as well, but it's a D shape, might put you off a bit. The Dave Mustaine actives are good, to me they sound a bit too "metallic". However, I believe they would sound better down-tuned, rather than in 440. One thing to be careful: VMNT's and V's sit very nicely on lap OR standing up, as you can push the lower horn with your thigh to position. However, the RR3 has a small lower horn which might get it unbalanced, especially facing down towards the floor, which makes it both difficult to play AND looks bad. So try one before buy!
