Does 'Positive Whiteness' Have Any Place In The Discourse? 

as it stands however, here in the real world, there are still VERY much exploitative, hostile, & antagonistic relations and distinctions centered in race. Institutional racism is real. settler colonialism is real. Very real is the ongoing genocide of my people, the Osage Nation, and every other indigenous nation of the so-called "Americas", along with any others who have suffered- and continue to suffer- under the boot of capitalism, Imperialism, colonialism, settler colonialism, and every other tragedy these bring; I'm talking climate change, the desecration of our lands, our ancestral sites, places of spiritual importance, devastation to forests, wiping out of many animal species, some which had strong spiritual connections to our people, while some were more bases in an economic/agricultural/type relation. In other words, the Americans would wipe out an animal species, destroy our crops, irrigation systems, poison our rivers, whatever they had to, in order to destabilize, delegitimize & destroy us. I could go on. But the point I'm attempting to make is simply this: at this stage of development in history, we are still fighting these horrific manifestations of racism, genocide, fascism, patriarchy, transphobia, etc; "colorblindness" isn't helpful. if you dont see color, then you don't see me. And if you dont see me, if you dont see the plight of my people, then how can you be my ally? My friend? My comrade?

@@seedfamily1404 Except we can address the effects of racism (i.e., a delusional belief in pseudoscience) without giving that delusional belief credence by internalizing it as an "identity" and engaging in "us versus them" nonsense. A child's fear of the boogeyman in the closet may exist and be real, but do we address it by speaking and acting as if the boogeyman is a real thing? No. Not even if the child panics and breaks the furniture in the room with a stick out of that fear. Race as a concept is a weapon. It was created for a purpose, and that purpose was to justify colonialism through dehumanization. It has no value beyond that. Internalizing the notion of a "racial identity" separate from the Other only serves to perpetuate racist outcomes. After all, scientific study has shown that integration - not the subsuming of cultures into a dominant cultural hegemony, but truly diverse, equal sharing of culture and interpersonal interaction with people different from oneself - is the most effective way to reduce bigoted attitudes over time, because humans fear less when they understand more, and they understand more when they're exposed more. This is a very simple and logical matter.

@@FelisImpurrator It's not about "us vs. them", but realizing that institutional factors have disproportionately taken advantage of certain groups (African-Americans, women, Native Americans) more than others. Bigotry can't be solved by ignoring it.

@@seedfamily1404 Which tribes/peoples did you enslave/slaughter during your history?

@@seedfamily1404 I don't want to be your comrade b/c I'm not a commie. I would take all of your loaded buzzwords over Osage cannibalism any day.

Agreed. Whiteness didn’t include Italians, the Irish, and many Eastern Europeans for a long time in America

All great clubs are exclusionary.

I've lived in many black/Hispanic environments, they have been picking and choosing who gets in their club my whole life(I was born in 79). The thing is, I never wanted to get in their clubs, I'm good. I've never once complained about it, neither does most of America. I can't believe we're letting you guys get away with this stuff. That's because there's an agenda with the media, so I can't blame the warped ideology coming from most of these people suffering from VICTIM SYNDROME. Just with like anywhere in this world today, if you want to get in any club, YOU NEED TO ACT ACCORDINGLY. Jeez, talk about entitlement. SMFH

who wants to join a club that lets anyone in?

so... you hate white people?

@@woagh5082 Whiteness is not the same as white people. Generally, it is the cultural practice of favoring white people over non white people. To end whiteness would be to make the concept of the white race just a historical idea that doesn't factor into people's lives. You might have some nation or ethnic group you might have associated with in your family, but that is not the same as race.

@@Muykle actually, whiteness just refers to people with a set of European looking characteristics, like having paler skin. the rest is just stuff you made up

@@Muykle what kinda nonsense is that? Whiteness is believing white people to be superior? Well then what about blackness? Is that black people believing themselves to be superior?

let your racist hang out

B8

eactly

White/black is a way to divorce people from their culture under a false divisiveness. “White” people are French, English, Scandinavian, German… “Black” people are Nigerian, Ghanian, Fulani, Ashanti…

Who was crapped on, and when

NAZIs were large group of people at one time

Why should we explain to kids such a specific and irellevant part of history? Kids wont know the historical context and will only view it as skin color. shouldnt we just not focus on skin color at all and just acknowledge history as it took place. Like we can teach kids about past racism and why its bad, but we dont need to tell kids the idea of being white is bad because a racist subset of people were puritans. in reality we base how we view you by whatevee features happen to be more dominant. People dont see your parents when they look at you they see you. like I have a friend who has a black mom and a white dad and the way his features came out actually makes him look polynesian. peope always assume he is but he just corrects them and its no big deal. Its also the same way 99 percent of black/white mixed people are just considered black. its not because being considered black is better or worse its because the darker skin color is a more prominent feature. CRT just seems like a good way to bring about racial tensions amd division. especially for young kids who may be insecure about their features which may lead to defensiveness and then eventually radicalism

@@progrockmorelikefrogc0ck157 Your post is the perfect example of why education about the history and function of whiteness and race exclusion is so necessary.

@@paulhammond6978 Not at all. It shouldnt ignored but it also shouldnt be forced onto younger kids. Youre just a radical. If you look at what is considered white by definition its purely based off of geography. North Africans are also considered white

Lolol do you know most mixed white & black people I’ve met wanted to call themselves black instead of white? Is that racist? Start telling people you’re white if you don’t want to be seen as “mixed.” Regardless of the mixed races, that term is used. You could be black and Asian & ppl are still going to say you’re mixed. Period. Majority of ppl are mixed with one or several things down their lineage. The victim mentality runs so strong in this group.

No such thing as "racial culture" exists. There are cultural identities tied to ethnolinguistic groups. But race doesn't correlate to cultural identity very well.

@@FelisImpurrator racial culture obviously exists, we see people build their identity and culture around their race.

@@woagh5082 we do? Examples...? You don't mean, the African-Americans whose original languages and cultures were stripped of their ancestors through slavery, do you? Or do you mean the White people who used race to exclude and abuse others? Without using those two examples- both results of this notion of Whiteness and White Supremacy- tell me what you're referring to specifically

Lol wtf are you talking about. Are you like a card carrying racist?

@@mathewgladden8914 yes, I'm part of the NAAWP (National Association Against White Power).

@@Sounds.of.St.Elsewhere obviously a joke, maybe i misread your original comment, but are you saying youre a card carrying racist?

@@mathewgladden8914 yes, I'm saying I'm a card carrying member of the Knights of the Anti-Whites.

@@Sounds.of.St.Elsewhere yea thats what i figured

It's difficult to engage in discourse when you haven't bothered to educate yourself on the subject matter... Maybe try that

@@bradleym.mcelroy139 what is the relevance, socially to this madness of thought. There is absolutely nothing positive that comes form this logic. This thought process is actually harmful and you beta males are taking this country backwards. You are the demise of the greatest country that has ever existed. Every race is treated better here than anywhere in the world. The real issue I ha e with this logic is that you are teaching this BS to kids. Thats sick.

@@gregghelfi3304 the fuck lol

Divide and conquer.

Okay. The way you ask this question makes it sound like you think slavery was ended by just one person, and we could name them. I mean, I know something about the abolitionists in the United Kingdom, because I have read something on that. As to who resisted the end of slavery, well the obvious US answer is the Southern states, who seceded from the union and fought the civil war over the issue. People who actually owned enslaved people, because it affected their interests directly. Lots of people in the UK didn't want to end it because they made money off the trade, either because they were in the slave trade as merchants and ship owners, or because they owned plantations in the Americas.

@@paulhammond6978 the UK pretty much ended slavery in the British empire and the slave trade in the Atlantic on its own and on its own dime against, as you noted, it's own self interest. Oddly enough, the US participated by providing navel forces in ending the Atlantic slave trade for over 50 years prior to the Civil war. From Navel History of the US: Anti-Slave Trade Patrols America withdrew from the transatlantic slave trade in 1808. With The Treaty of Ghent, ending the War of 1812, both the United States and Great Britain agreed to work towards ending the slave trade. The U.S. Navy's role in the struggle against slavery began in 1820 when warships deployed off West Africa to catch American slave ships. Enforcement of the slave trade ban was sporadic until the Navy deployed a permanent African Squadron in 1842. This deployment was due to the Webster-Ashburton Treaty, between the United States and Great Britain signed that August to suppress the slave trade. Despite the vigilance of American, as well as British and French, warships in African waters, the overseas slave trade increased in the 1850s, owing to the high demand for slaves in Latin America. The U.S. Navy's participation lasted until the start of the U.S. Civil War, April 1861.

@@paulhammond6978 Who resisted the end of slavery and the slave trade? Pretty much the rest of the world. African costal nations certainly resisted the end if slavery, and shifted the slave trade to the middle east to land routes. East Africa traded slaves with the middle east and Asia. For over 100 years the efforts to end slavery were totally dominated by Europeans and the US even as the US struggled to end slavery in the south.

According to Oxford Languages Dictionary: white·ness /ˈwītnəs/ noun 1. The property or quality of being white in color. "a landscape dominated by the whiteness of snow" 2. The fact or state of belonging to a human group having light-colored skin. "whiteness was defined as both a racial and a regional characteristic"

...not sure what you're looking for... What would you have said?

I think it’s important to explain to people how whiteness as a concept of race in this country is inherently exclusionary. At one time Italians and Irish weren’t considered white. If you are both white and black race you are considered black. My own dad is asian and my mom is white- but I am considered Asian on the census or at the very least “mixed race” but never “white.” Based of off the “one drop rule” from slavery… just goes to show you how pervasive and deep rooted racism is. I think people will understand if we explain it to them. Early education and CRT history especially is so important when it comes to this issue.

No you

your loss, he is one of the more insightful voices around imho

Or Dave Rubin.

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@@Opheliakami ...bruh The fuck lmao

Sam Seder has been around longer than tucker has had a show.

@@jamesu3816 tucker was on crossfire over 20 yrs ago dopey!