Because, as with all scandinavian countries, life outside of prison is even more luxurious. Super high salaries, free education and free health care leads to a much more luxurious life than the prisoners get. Socialism.
Jebodeiasque Also, there are adequate support systems for the mentally ill and sick. Addicts, the mentally ill, unwanted aids sufferers, are not dumped out on the street there to commit crimes simply to eat. If life is great and you have a support system, you are about 90% less likely to engage in crime. Remember though, that it is extremely expensive to live there, and you are helping pay for all that support if you work there. There is not a culture of having the biggest and the newest everything. It is a completely different mindset!
Real1Gaming Super high salaries, which are cut to less than half after taxes and free healthcare that you aren't going to use because public sector is so ineffective that you'll go to the private sector anyway.
Jebodeiasque I once spoke to a Danish police officer. He Said that even though Danish prisens Are like hotel it still sucks. You Are ristricted to a very small room with little human contact (You get one hour in the gym, two hours in the yard and work according to what officers Think would fit. Often the work has to be done in your own room) You Can visit other inmates (unless officers Think u might be up to something) but only one Per Day and the inmates usually want to get out within half an hour because they Got pissed on each other. You might also be afraid of the other inmates (in Denmark isolation is often chosen by inmates who owes money to the wrong people) Then add isolation from the World and your family. You Can see your family once a week (supervised) but only if They chose to come (often They Are ashamed or just sick of having to drive five hours to see someone for Twenty minutes) All letters and calls Are also controlled.
The system we have in most scandinavian cuntries would not work in other cuntries as we in sweden have proven. A homogen population that agrees with the moral good in following our laws, combined with a system where crimes of necessity are almost nill, combined with a system where almost nobody holds any lojalty to anything else rather than themself and maybee the state amongst other things. We here in sweden ate haveing the awakening that it doesn't wotk at all against honor, gang or clan based violence. So this video is a gross oversimpification of a incredibly complicated problem.
You guys have to understand that the prisoners rooms are low standard compared to apartments and houses we have here inn nowray. Yes, there are some shithole apartments and houses here, but mostly that is older houses or apartments that have not been fixed upp.
Imagine how great america could be with a reorganized defence budget that was just a 200 billion less, you'd still have almost 400 billion for the military making you still the country with the highest budget, except you could redefine what America is and make it a great place, not a punchline of what not to do like it is to most of the world now
TAYL0R In the US there us a 'me first attitude'. Americans are not very socially advanced, they'll get there eventually. They are very much in their spoilt teenager phase....hopefully being grown up comes shortly after.
Reminds me of the quote in the movie Blow. "I entered with a diploma in weed and got out with a master in cocain." Prison is primitive and it just does not work, it just makes them hardened criminals.
Yeah, it’s better. But if someone kills 69 people, the only difference is they should be arrested for life, cause they’re obviously just exploiting the system.
I think a lot of what makes people feel like hard punishments should take place is the desire for revenge that comes from the loss and the emotions that loss carries with it. Anger spawned from sadness and fear.
Well this has certainly given me an alternative perspective! It does raise a pretty good question "Would you rather punish an offender and in a sense, have your revenge? or would you rather rehabilitate them, and ensure they never do it to another person again?" I'm certain it'd cost more to house and care for an inmate for any length of sentence, than it would to give them the skills theyd need to leave their "Life of crime" behind for good. Keep up the good work T2! You're Killing it as always!
Scandinavians are 82% atheist so that Christian revenge at the basis of US judicial system is gone. Americans can lock a 17 year old black kid up for live over a joint or shoplifting under 3 strikes and mandatory minimums. That means free prison labor for 50 years 'cause a plantation economy has no shelf life in America. It costs about a million per life to house, feed, and bury a prisoner.
The root of the problem in the US is, many prisons makes money on prisoners. Nobody involved is interested to decrease number of inmates. Even the opposite.
can we talk about how when he said millions of people don't have parents because they're in prison he showed a congregation of black people...naughty naughty... 5:29
@@brooklyngerma5674 no offense but in my area prisons and jails is mostly made up of African Americans. I believe more needs to be done to help African Americans so they get better education, better places to live and employment opportunities.
All three of you don' t get the essence of being in any prisión. It's not your PlayStation or intime wisits with your current biatch. It's the loss of your rights and time passing in mostly claustrophobic and superb controlled no-choice forced environment. Institution I zing - NO. From experience. ,!)
Breivik, the guy you talked about who killed 77 people (69 of the children at summer camp) will never be let out again. Its true that the maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years, but after this time has past you get judged again and can again get 21 years. Anders Behring Breivik will never let out again to the streets. Please like so 42 sees his missunderstanding.
But He would probably still be able to be a normal citizen. If He lived like all of the other inmates at Bastøy or Halden, He could have been "normalized" I'm not saying He should be let out at all (fuck that guy). But prisons would still be able to make him a normal guy again if they have enough time.
I've been to jail a few times in my life probably 2 or 3 years all together. And no it don't work unless the individual going to prison wants it to work. Prison is a business just like sell burgers and MCDs,without crime and prisoners there's no jobs for cops, judges,liars I mean lawyers etc so they could really careless what "works" or what don't,I've seen it first hand
As someone who did four years at the age of 19 this is all so true it changes people but not for the better I'm just glad to have got out and decided to do better
@Somebody Yes I agree that jail could be bad for some people but some people can't be helped and prison is a way to put them away from society so they can't harm others
Every comment - "but a prison that luxurious would just cause people to commit crimes on purpose so they can stay there" Fact repeatedly outlined in the video - "extremely low incarceration and re-offending rates" *slaps head*
Not everybody lives in the same conditions as Norwegians. The Norwegian prison system works because despite the prisons being luxurious, they are still a downgrade from the Norwegian standard because a normal Norwegian already has all those things plus the freedom to move around the country and visit his family etc. An inmate does not, and thus despite being offered with a luxurious home, he would still rather live in a home equally luxurious but with his family and friends as well. In other countries, this doesn't happen. In countries where standards of living are lower, ( or where the standard of living can vary more widely because of a bigger class divide ) this luxurious lifestyle is way above their normal standard so many would just pile up to commit crime. The question is not whether it works in Norway, the question is whether it works in other places as well.
This is so true. I'm American, and after holding down a great job for years while raising my son alone as a single father, my son was hit and killed by a train at the age of 18yrs. This destroyed me. It made me turn to opiates. And shoplifting to supply my habit. Now it's impossible for me to get back on top no matter how ready I may be to face the death of my son.
That's the joke, he says it so often that you die from self inflicted alcohol poisoning. Aww, it was already not very funny, but worse now I've had to explain it.
I've always been sceptical of the prison systems. I've seen first hand a young boy going in and coming out a harden criminal. If he was ever going to get a decent job thats next to impossible now with robbery on his record. Just 2 years has ultimately become a life sentence.
Baron Teddy Von Forsthoffer Its different because they have a different culture and a smaller population than the US. The US is out of control with imprisoning people , but I don't think we could ever do this. We aren't a socialist state . Our culture and economy is too different . Our economy values hard workers and competition . This would destroy the need for competition and opt damage our economy. More people who commit crimes so they have free food and a place to stay. It wouldn't work out.
+TuPapiJ Basic human needs aren't different in America, those are universal. If Norway had the same prison system as the US, they would have the same problems as the US does. Also, it isn't a socialist state, it's a social democracy, very different. The Soviet Union was a proper socialist state. In a social democracy, it is still a capitalist system, but one where there are more government benefits and less government corruption via large corporations. The US more than has the money to have a prison system like Norway, it's just spending it all on the military, and not very effectively on that either. If the military budget was cut by say 100 billion a year, which would be only 1/6 of the budget, so many major issues could be fixed in the US it isn't even funny.
While I can't speak to the political upset of public opinions against the potential victimizers (image of criminal activity here in the U.S.) getting and "easy way out" with the Norwegian exemplar... I can point out that the huge greater portion of criminals incarcerated are not absolutely monsters. Of course, there are those who did and do horrible things. However, the greater portion of wrong doing in the U.S. is more about the quick extra cash... selling drugs, bootlegging liquor (tax free), theft, etc... These are people who would otherwise be "regular Joe's" except there was some contributing factors and the lure of fast, easy money... It stands to reason that some form of "rehabilitation" should only make sense in the prison system... On the public opinion debate, it shouldn't be that damn hard to sell the idea of cultivating career goals and some education to offenders, AS LONG AS we recognize the penal system still requires a debt paid to society... AND that's the crux of the U.S. prison systems biggest fail. It's in two parts... 1. Offenders have (as we're taught) a "debt to society"... Yet, we, the taxpaying public, are blowing away about 100,000 US dollars, per inmate, per year... SO where the hell is this debt getting paid? In days? I can't eat those, and they sure as hell don't put a dime in my pockets... 2. Rehabilitation... That was (at some point) the whole purpose for prisons... A penal system, yes, penalizes offenders... but it was supposed to be able to return those offenders to society (relatively safely) once their sentences were served... debt's paid... etc.... You're not bettering yourself in any way if all you do is sit in a box and stew about the shit and people who got you there... So, no... I can't say anyone sees rehabilitation actually happening in prisons... it's not even being attempted in a half-assed sense. Finally, this isn't something that's going to easily swing right around the way (or remotely close to) Norway's set up. In smaller steps, however, I think it wouldn't be out of the question to get non-violent and even lesser violent offenders (up to various lower degrees of assault and battery ish) into a program of education/training and cultivate something of a career oriented goal list for them while their inside... Could even use "on the job" training to get some necessary workmanship and skills together while doing something productive (damn near anything would be nice) for the outside society in return for the monstrous level of debt being racked up on our shoulders... At some level, there's just a certain point where someone is irredeemable. Maybe Norway can prove that wrong, but I (personally) have my doubts. Some offenders (at least from what I've seen in the records here) just aren't going to earn the modicum of trust investment necessary to approach a release date. If I can't afford it for them, I'm damned if I'm asking someone else to do it. And before someone starts bitching at me about capitol punishment, I'll happily invite you to "adopt" a capitol offender into your house, with your daughters and your family... ALL under YOUR sole responsibility. Think about that... :o)
gnarth d'arkanen ur last point is irrelevant when even if they are offered job or career training when no one will ever go about employing them other than to be a janitor. or look at them as the former con. N also being locked away n having to pay for it rather than kill them so u don't have to be bothered paying taxes isn't the same as adopting an offender into ur home n family.
@@tobiramasenju6290 parole is for people who go to prison. No I sat in jail because that's how long it takes for the court to figure out if you're guilty or innocent and to make a deal with the district attorney. I didn't even go to trial I just took a plea deal and was out the next day it took 7 months. You have to remember what I stole Doesn't matter and it doesn't matter that the garage door was left open doesn't matter that I didn't break into the home. What matters is is I went into the garage which is technically someone's home and that is a first degree felony a very serious charge. They ended up lowering it to a second degree which is why I got out after seven months.
Or maybe the US isn't the land of the free because it punishes people with insane levels of jailtime for minor and irrelevant offenses. All because you treat the prison system as a private business when it should be a public service of course.
@@prolifeunity Uh no, that's not necessarily his logic; it could be that the U.S. doesn't value freedom as much as they claim. Which I think is actually what he's saying.
Filip Ferenčak America should stop seeing green in their visions and look at the people that are actually living in it and giving their lives to defend it.
@@KaugestadOlsen That's incredible Kevin! keep up the inspiring work :) I think that more activities in jails and prisons is what reduces recidivism. When people have time to explore other aspects of their mind than just the typical fear, anger, and loss of control (being arrested), then they will be better off rather than intensified versions of themself upon release.
I knew you were going to say Norway! Just another reason why I've visited Norway more often than any other country. Beautiful country and lovely people.
we already have an overpopulation problem. why waste recources trying to fix a broken horse when you have millions of neglected, but otherwise perfectly stable horses to attend to?
lol zillions of them. 1) for-profit prisons have zero incentive to rehabilitate or do anything at all to reduce re-offending. Indeed they have great incentive for making sure as may of their customers return - just like any other business!! 2) Private prisons will do the VERY minimum they have to for the good of their inmates - their goal is to increase profits, not to serve the public in any way shape or form.3) Private prisons increase the possibility of corruption in the justice system, because their focus is money, not the good of the country.
I don't know where you got your information from, but in Norway, in most prisons, the quality of life for the prisoner is used as a punishment for misbehaving either by taking away the luxuries or by solidary confinedment, with only an hour a day of outside time. So I'm not sure about the recidivism part, but they definately use punishments there if you commint an offense.
I agree. As a former correctional officer of a men’s maximum security prison in Texas, this does make sense. Most officers treated the inmates like they weren’t human and would blatantly disregard any questions or concerns they had. In turn, those inmates were not chomping at the bit to be helpful nor listen and comply to those officers and any orders they’d given to the inmates. I took a different approach to my duties by being polite but firm, and respectful. I never had any major issues with any of those inmates and most of them were “lifers” meaning life without parole- the ones who were never getting out and had nothing to lose by being contemptible or troublesome. So many other officers had numerous issues with many, many inmates simply because they were absurdly rude and treated them inhumane just because they were prisoners. As a correctional officer, it is not your actual concern of why the inmate is there, it is your concern to keep them locked up, to keep them from killing themselves or anyone else, and to maintain safety and general day to day operations of the prison unit. I’m fairly certain that’s why I did not have hardly any problems out of nearly 3000 inmates that were at the prison where I used to work. A lot of people will say that it is because I am a small, dainty pretty woman; but I beg to differ. It’s because I treated them like a proper citizens, as humans. I gave respect for respect and it went very far in my regard.
Alex, it's better to treat someone like a human and give them freedom then to stick them into a prison cell for them to learn and breed hatred and crime.
You'd be amazed how many people around the world willingly commit crimes just to go to prison because at least they'll have free food and some sort of a bed to sleep on.
Brilliant video. The inside out programme that runs in some UK prisons allowes criminology students to study alongside prisoners . And there is a restorative justice course ram by a charity. Most men I've known given the opportunity to attend these kinds of course re offend much less. Good topic thanks for covering it 👍
Punishment = revenge. Prevention of crime and prevention of recidivism is the only logical path to fight crime than teaching criminals that revenge is good.
You can't prevent shit if you let freedom to people. You have to chose either crimes or a superstate who watches you. Police exist to avenge victims. Police watches suposed terrorists but don't do anything before the crime because you canot arrest somebody before a crime happens. But don't worry, the #metoo is making the guilt by default the standard to operate.
Those who have been incarcerated for actual crimes involving violence, theft, threats, or causing the loss/damage of property are completely different from those who committed victimless acts like prostitution, the possession/sale of drugs. The former are actually crimes while the latter are not and those in jail for the latter should not be there in the first place.
So what is the alternative? Treating prisoners with more brutality teaches them even more brutality, resulting in more crime overall. We have proven that over and over. The choice is not just between more punishment or pampering. It is between choosing to create more determined criminals or more reformed citizens. Which would make your family safer in the future?? Our own record versus Norway's tells the answer.
@@jamesredman1263 Are you asking me? I have no idea. Lol I'm not suggesting I have the answer, and I wouldn't be so hard and fast to think that there is one that's best for everyone either. Hopefully you're not that delusional to think you know what's best either.
@@jamesredman1263 I would say the alternative, in the case of murder, is the death penalty. Why not combine a sensible approach from a foreign land on crimes that we want to rehabilitate people from with the death penalty for crimes that we simply want retribution for?
i think norway is being smart with their prison system because they are treating the prisoners like a regular person would be treated on the outside instead of treating like animals which just makes them more dangerous violent
About Breivik - he's very likely to face additional years to the verdict he heard. He got maximal sentence possible in Norwegian law. But there is a way to prolong the inmate's sentence if they still appear dangerous.
I really appreciate you making a video on this topic, especially because your voice is reaching more than 2 million people around the world. The American justice system, and it's "incarcerate everyone" policies have deeply affected several people in my life. The horrible truth is that it is totally normal now for an average citizen to have known someone who has been imprisoned, or even been there themselves. A person makes one mistake, and they are thrown to the wolves for the rest of their lives. They will face judgment every where they go until they die, no matter if they end up "reformed" or not. The public needs to know that prison is often cruel (and in most cases not necessary) and ineffective, because the policies will not change until the People demand it. Prison is profitable, and the scum making money from it want as many people in cells as possible. Thanks Thoughty2! Here's hoping that the insights in your video make their way into all kinds of new minds.
they are funded by tax money, and also: they tend to have prisoners work manufacturing and service jobs, of which the prisoner gets paid very little of the income.
Owlcat it's not just that way most when they r built private especially but gov too are done to their buddies with the highest kickbacks to the local state senators and they are completely built to maximize profit from that then the food being contracted is usually so bad that the inmates are forced to buy from the store goods which are taken care of usually by the same person under another extension. training is run very poorly on staff n they keep it filled to allow max occupancy like a hotel bc for each person who is housed affects the tax money flowing into the system to house that inmate etc they r ground up a business of incarceration
@@vikkran401 anarchy is the most extreme definition of freedom. You exchange a little bit of freedom for security. These are laws for example, but the most free society doesn't have laws nor a government
@@vikkran401 You are missing the point that the USA has not “some prisoners” but has the largest prison population in the world, while it’s motto is “land of the free”. So yes, it’s irony.
“there is a place where reoffending is low, and incarceration is low too” me: “hes going to say switzerland, norway or sweden, when it comes to good quality of life its always switzerland, norway or sweden” video: “norway” me: “yes”
There are currently half a million viewers of this channel applying for residency in Norway preparing to rob a bank and hopefully end up in prison. What a great motivation for re-offenders! I'm off to re-new my passport, Thanks T2 xx
Basically you send a person with small crimes to prison and they become more corrupt... when they get out they have no hope no money and almost no choice but to turn back to crime to survive... sad
KuroRX // Galaxy You must be in the suburbs, most prisoners come from a background of abuse how can a child prevent abuse? how can a victim of their environment change their environment when they have lost hope because of that same abuse. The world and it's problems are bigger than your neighborhood.
Cytrillex BagelsMan its is *Exactly* what the Elite want.... they want us Fighting each other, confused, disoriented.. it is why you have such Atrocious Therories as Big Bang ... nothing explodes into everything... some how the shotgun blast is able to slow down and combine into planets.. this leads to Helicentric Model wich is FLAWED beyond belief, if you look into it.. then you have Evolution, using dinosaurs hoax to perpetuate millions of years lie.. They accomplish this, through Vaccines, TV, and indoctrination taught in schools, Wild Therories passed off as Fact... Im sorry to be ther bearer of bad news, but there is a conspiracy to keep the Truth out of the gands if the people, while keeping the busy (working your whole life for nothing) and distracted ( with TV, Sports, Politics) yes, every president is known before the election.... IF YOU CARE ABOUT TRUTH you will loom into these things... did you know, Gravity is not real???? want me to prove it??? TheSun has lits of gravity right, enough to keep the earth from flying off into space.. NOW at NOON the sun is over head, at mid night theEarth and Sun are below your feet... NOW why at Midnight, do i not weigh less than at NOON? if you like PURE UNADULTERATED LOGIC.. you won't find it in Scientism, like bill nye or niel de grass tyson.......
Sprite Trix It's not going to change because the prohibition office needs something as a scapegoat they picked weed after alcohol was made legal again and they'd probably go after something else that is easy to go with vs that of attacking a dangerous drug
I think it heavily depends on what crime was committed...if you murdered someone in cold blood and your reasoning is selfish then I don't really care what happens to you...but if you're stealing because your survival depends on it then we clearly have a deeper issue that won't be solved with prison
I think that those who are sentenced to death, or life without parole can be made to suffer and do hard labor all the time. But if we expect someone to rejoin society after 2 years or 20 years, something similar to what Norway's doing would be an improvement.
Lenayus Mynestone So what do you propose we do with these individuals then? Keep beating them down after their punishment had been completed so that they may be sent back?
Well it makes sense, Prisons like Norway's show prisoners what's it's like to be a normal citizen, look life from a different perspective, the good perspective, and 9 times out of 10 they love it, and wanna keep it that way after they leave.
"normal citizen" fucking bullshit, the government is stealing tax payer money to treat MURDERERS AND RAPISTS like high class hotel guests. Anders Breivik, a terrorist that killed 76 people, mostly kids, is serving a 21 year sentence at that exact same "prison" with all it's benefits, he has 15 years left before he is out into the "free world", where he would either laugh at what he got away with or commit even more atrocities. For small time criminals, sure, the prison system works. But those who have raped or killed don't deserve redemption, they deserve death.
I used to work in an Alabama County Jail. It was hellish, and full of career criminals who took the younger guys under their wings, and taught how to game the system, and be more successful criminals. Hood college.
I wonder how often we send someone to jail for something deserving of punishment but basically understandable like manslaughter and they come out of jail ready to work with the Mexican cartels.
Why not? it's the tool he used as a weapon, now he is made to do good stuff with it instead. One might not realize, but from a psychological perspective, this helps reprogram his brain into focusing doing good with the very thing he used to commit something horrendous. From the same flower, you can produce honey and also poison. But once you get to know how to make honey and learn that it is far better and satisfying then making poison, you don't go back. It's simple really.
Ive been to prison 4 times in my life... Hopefully I'm done at this point, but.... You never know. At the end of the day the prison system in America is a business. It's in the best interest of many different organizations for people to be criminals.
It's the worst thing possible a society can do to make a business out of penalty, from exact these reasons. This is not even capitalist but ironically, it has quite a lot in common with the communist penalty system under "Uncle Joe" which also served as source of cheap labor for the Soviet economy.
Nail on the head. It is the justice business. Many a town in Muricas economy rely on them. Private prisons funding, tax breaks. Not to mention the preincarceration money spent on lawyers court, costs, etc. Your not as can human anymore but a commodity. And every dealer knows don't mess with the supply. It behooves the system to keep you in the system.
That is a fact! I got 3 years for fighting an asshole who was beating an old homeless man who after that died. I still think I did nothing wrong. Some dick called the cops and the asshole in question sued me and got away with it because he was a rich entitled yuppie. cool fact. I have made that person's life a hell on earth and I will not stop until he is gone. Torture can be entertainment and pure payback! As long as I live he will never be safe. I still go to the homeless person's grave to clean it just out of respect!
Dude, I understand that once you're in the system, it's hard to get free again. Parole being a trap in itself. But I've been in twice, both on the same sentence. I got myself a job and a place to stay organized before I got out the last time, and I've been out of the system, no parole, for over 10 years. It's possible to get out of the system for good. I wish you all the best. It's a free labor market worldwide. Every country is doing it, prisons are profitable, rehabilitation isn't. Its F**ked
9 million inmates are more than enough to populate an entire new country. Let's take them to an island and form a new nation there; says ..... Australia 2?
This system would only work in countries where the regular living standards are much higher that this. If this was implemented in the US, some amount of people would commit crimes and get caught on purpose.
Imagine that: Some people have so low living standard that they want to go to prison even in America to upgrade their status. Sorry to say that, but for people like that there is no other way than death penalty, otherwise they will commit crime constantly until some other criminal will not take revenge on them
@@senjusan6359 That is such an enormous lie. Even most poor people in the US have a car, a decent place to live, 2 television sets, air conditioning, a cell phone, food to eat (better than the crap in Norwegian grocery stores), have good medical care, and wear expensive athletic shoes, too. They don't know what real poverty is. www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/air-conditioning-cable-tv-and-xbox-what-poverty-the-united-states
hahahahahahahah, im willing to bet there are 0 homeless people in Norway otherwise they'd be foolish not to commit a crime and get to go to a luxury prison as apposed to living on the streets
Having spoken to a few reoffending prisoners here in the uk they have more in prison than they do outside, they have support, education, food, friends, no bills and was told that's all part of being institutionalised for them.
Yes. This is what he taught. Forgiveness and turning a persons heart with love. Its difficult to be the victim, but thr case of the Amish who lost their daughters to a mass shooting at a school, tells us the way we should be. I speak from experience of a person who experienced a horrible crime. When I finally accepted and forgave him, I wanted his heart to be softened, and find joy, and not do his crime again. He is a son of god with unlimited potential. Why would I not want the best for him? I still live with the results of his crime. But in the end, I will be reunited with loved ones, and I would rather he, the offender, be reabilitated and happy, growing, increasing in light and knowledge. This wont make sense to some, but as a bible and apocryphal scripture scholar, I understand the path we all take. We all offend others at different degrees, however, we learn and grow. We have Unlimited Potential. We stop growing, as do they, if we dont release the pain and anger. Your right, Jesus, as he was being murdered, asked the Father to forgive them, and claimed, “they no not what they do”. That is the pinnacle of forgiveness, understanding that if they got to a point of growth, given enough time and growth, they would not do those things. For my offender, he will get to the point of growth where put in the position, will not chose the same path. He needs forgiveness, and the opportunity to continue growth. I cant expect forgiveness if I cannot forgive. I want him to be loved, grow in love, and change. It may take more time then I can imagine. But we have a very narrow view of eternity. We place limits, from a misunderstanding of scripture, on God and his ways. Once you seek out all scripture of the prophets, thats available, that has the fingerprint of god on it (easy to recognize once you have read enough) finding it to be true scripture, the view changes and a Grand Plan for us comes into focus. Scripture has also been taken from Ancient Hebrew and Greek to the launguage we speak, changing the meaning or losing understanding. So your firm belief may be based on a misunderstood translation. Just know, there is more then just the short existence we have here. There is more then dying and sitting in heaven as a slave to god, sitting on a cloud or playing a harp. He is a God of Love. His greatest desire is to see us progress. Progession, without end. Unlimited potential. Constantly growing. Its a very narrow view to say we live once, are judged, and condemned for eternity to heaven or hell. We place a cap on Gods love when we believe this. As a mother or father, would we condemn our own children for thr circumstances and wrong choices they make? None of us would make it to adulthood if that were the case. God is our father, creator. He loves us more then we love our own. Wouldnt a father make a path for growth? Give us the chance to grow up completely? Satan fell because he was given all thr chances to grow, reached a point of complete knowledge, and still choose the wrong path, in front of god, knowing all. We are limited in knowledge here, going off of faith. We cannot be condemned without having full knowledge, and we dont have it here, for sure, without question. We argue over doctrine and understanding. We cannot be condemned until we reach a fullness of light and knowledge. But we can answer for our sins, ask Christ to forgive us, and move forward. If we expect forgiveness through Christ, we must extend it. For us, he said, we are to forgive all man. Only God can judge, and he unerstandeth all things. Forgivness releases that person to continue in their growth. Thats the Love Christ taught. We must live it, if we profess to believe in him. Yes, its hard, but we get better at forgiveness, and forgiving ourselves, as we learn to extend it. It is a journey. Be strong, defend virtue, but when called on, practice forgiveness, as he taught.
Justin Martin, I have read the Bible, and most Apocryphal writings. I understand your context, but it comes from a place of misunderstanding. He is the Prince of Peace. But he did defend rightousness, and the rightous. I had a man who took everything from me, including some children. I wont see them in this life again. But a point comes where his peace falls apon you, and you can forgive. I have. I want him to grow in love, light and knowledge. If Christ could ask his father to forgive the men that were in the act of murdering him in a horrific manner, then we too must learn forgiveness. Context is everything.
I just realised something. Their prison system works personally on the prisoners mental wellbeing, here's what got me, the school system in Norway is also promoting the same morals, less work, more personal lessons ect. I just wonder, could these two factors be linked? Edit: I just looked it up and Norway also legalised firearms. In fact they also have one of the largest firearm per person factors in the world. I suppose from a young age they aren't mentally traumatised, thus keeping a steady state of mind.
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The population of Norway 5.3 million, The population of New York City 8.3 million. While I love the idea we are not comparing apples to apples here, but I like the idea for non-violent offenders.
This reminds me of the Kurzgesagt video on War on drugs where Switzerland had an amazing solution in contrast to the US. The best way to keep a country healthy and safe is to take care of their citizens. Nobody is born evil, crime is a result of poverty and desperation. We need to provide mental support to one another and eliminate the need for one to abuse drugs, cause self harm,commit criminal acts and harm others. This way we ensure a long lasting and stable community filled with love and understanding.
I assure you I'm not high, at the moment at least, nor naive. I live in Croatia, I'm 19 years old. Social hierarchy is common in primates, which includes humans. Most of us lost for power and dominance above everybody else, it's a primal trait. People are greedy cause in today's day and age money represents power. Psychopaths are a results of mental neglect over a long period of time. A serial killer is only a serial killer when he kills 2+ people, when he was let's say 15, was he a serial killer then ? No. Does this mean that the deaths could have been prevented by helping the individual before he came to a state where he started killing ? Definitely. When a persons mental health takes a downwards spiral there is no telling what the individual is capable of doing. This is the soul reason why prisons just don't work. Instead of receiving help from professionals and getting your life back on track, you are instead punished and introduced to other criminals witch more knowledge and experience of crime. So when a person get's out of prison, he is more likely to commit crime again. If you had finished a sentence and are unable to get a job cause of it, your only other way to survive is to do crime. Again, NOBODY is born evil. Norway is not homogeneous, lol. Norway has a population of 5,258,000 , immigrants make 13% or 660,000. 335 000 (51%) have a Western background (Australia, New Zealand, North America, elsewhere in Europe) 325 000 (49%) have a non-Western background (Morocco, Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan, Iran). Get in touch with reality ;)
Nope, love has nothing to do with it. Compassion and basic human decency is more like it. We don't love criminals. In fact, many criminals lose all their family ties when they go to prison. The moral judgement is just as strong here as anywhere else. However, our government takes care of them for the sake of the society. Caring about them is more about strategy and less about love.
exactly why it wouldn't work here in the states. i work and am disabled and i live in a pretty crappy situation..... why would i work and torture myself when i could jsut go to jail and live better
What do you know? Being given a new chance to get educated and find purpose and responsibility, makes you a better person than if you are punished for years.
Would you say this if your mom, sister, or daughter was raped then murdered? Just curious how you would feel? Because I think prisons should be way better too. But would I feel the same if something happen to one of my family members? I would probably want them to suffer and hurt really bad.
@@Randy2747 If my mom, sister, or daughter was raped and murdered, then what I'm feeling is not a sense of justice, but revenge. I'd want to kill that bastard with my own hands, and anyone who are in such situation and tell their feelings are based in justice, are lying. So let me ask you this, when you in that situation want revenge, what good does it do you to know that the person is in prison? Nothing. It doesn't bring back anyone, and it can never inflict the same pain on that person and you don't get the gratification of inflicting pain yourself. The justice system is all about (in theory) getting offenders off the streets and over a longer timespan lowering crime rates. If someone who murdered my entire family can help be the reason that such crimes are lowered in the future, then that's the best sense of justice I can imagine. The individual is linked with revenge, but the act of imprissonment is linked with justice and betterment for society as a whole. Don't try to combine those two into the same act and don't treat it as similar feelings.
@@68greg19 Oh what do you know, when you "waste" money on criminals you save a lot more money in the long run by greatly decreasing crime rates overall.. So you have more to spend on kids' education. But I guess your answer is the typical mindset that an uneducated person would have, so thanks for confirming the theory here.
Oh, dream on. What twaddle. How many ex-cons have the personal intent of "getting educated and finding purpose and responsibility, making a better person,.... blah, blah, blah".
Right before I was born my dad was released from prison when I was 5 years old he went back to prison he got out when I was 10 and when I was 14 he went back to prison and even when he was out he never came to see me. I had it tough growing up I only seen my dad 3 times in a whole decade when I was 8 my mother got addicted to drugs and I was taken off her and given to my grandmother. She was a good woman and she raised me properly
But Norway has laws that only people who live in Norway can be arrested there. People who don't live in Norway just get sent back to their home country :/
