Does Ron Holland Fit with the Pistons? 

I know I said exactly what you said at 1:52 about shooting - at first I was a bit uneasy about the pick because it’s obviously not a great fit with our current roster, but his ability to get to the hoop and create off the bounce is top tier. He’s a good defender from what I’ve seen and looks to have potential to eventually be great defensively. A lot to like about Ron, a lot be worried about with the fit. Overall feel better about the pick after more time to think about it.

For sure. Knew it going to be some surprises yesterday and that was definitely one of them to me.

Hornets got a dawg.

I more or less agree, yeah, but we hypothetically could get more creative with some Ausar dunker spot stuff if we had a true shooting 5.

@@JacobPistons Definitely true. Ausar, Ivey and Holland would all benefit from a Kings or Celtics or Thunder style system where the middle is open for drives and cutters. And Ausar specifically could be used like a center on offense. But that's not gonna happen with Cade since he needs a ball screen to create an advantage and his best skill is processing that weakside defender and making the correct read Cade should probably run a little less PnR and how he gets into it needs to be more creative, but it's always going to be the lifeblood of any Cade-centric offense Although if Cade ever learns to consistently hit Duren's short roll on traps then Ausar in the dunker catching lobs is back in play. And Cade draws two a lot.

If it was a true salary dump with assets attached I think it’s something to consider. His contract is just so insane that I wouldn’t give up any thing of value to take that back, because that would really tie our hands money wise for a good minute.

I hate the fact that’s a possible outcome with him, but it is unfortunately. Not sure Stanley had the bounce Ron does, but there is a world where he turns out to be a Josh Jackson / Stanley Johnson hybrid and I hate that for us.

He’s a better athlete and advantage creator than Stanley so it’s unlikely he’s that bad, and I buy that he’ll be a defensive specialist if needed (unlike Josh Jackson) but he really needs to be somewhere where the paint is open so he can get to the rim and as long as Cade is in Detroit you’re going to have rim running big

I dont think we’ll have to teach Ron how to play defense. I believe he’ll be a plus defender day zero in the league. 4 out of 5 players in our young core are bad to awful shooters and that is concerning at the very least.

You can’t teach everyone to shoot though It’s like swinging a golf club. A good coach can help you maximize your swing but there’s no guarantee you’re gonna hit 300 off the tee The concern with Ron is whether he has the touch and fine motor skills to be better a Kelly Oubre or Derrick Jones Jr level shooter.

@@michaelahurt Wrong. You can teach people to shoot....people who can shoot usually could not shoot earlier. You ever hear of KCP, a young Pistons non-shooter??? He now has two rings and hits 40% from the 3 pt. line. Think before you spout off.

@@lurking0death KCP was viewed as a good shooter coming out of college. Lol. He shot 37% on 7 attempts and 80% from the line at Georgia 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ That's a terrible example. And if that's the case, why doesn't every player learn to shoot? Why can't Russ or Giannis shoot? Yes, for guys like KCP with natural shooting ability and excellent mechanics, they will learn to shoot in time and you shouldn't overreact to small samples. Hence why people are high on Risacher and Buzelis. But guys with bad touch like Holland -- the Justise Winslows and Michael Kidd-Gilchrists and Josh Jacksons -- usually don't figure it out. The best examples are Bruce Bowen and PJ Tucker who were never good shooters but learned to make a specific shot Derrick Jones Jr has improved a TON. But no one actually guards him above the break