People repeat the propaganda they've heard. There's no reason to believe anything "out of hand". You've got a computer in your pocket and experts at your fingertips. In the information age ignorance is a choice.
@@lisabobanIgnorance is not a choice for most people, because the internet is not a library with carefully curated and accurate information. It’s a sewer where facts are mixed with and contaminated by misinformation constantly, it’s not always easy to find accessible expertise and most people don’t have the critical thinking skills necessary to tell fact and misinformation apart.
Only four letters of difference - no big deal, right? Oh, you sweet summer child. Four letters can mean all the difference in the world. There are only THREE letters of difference between "amateur cartography" and "amateur p0rnography", but I guarantee you, which one you say when someone asks "Do you have any hobbies?" at Thanksgiving dinner, will have a noticeable impact on the night's conversation.
Counterargument: many years ago, the national hydrographic office in my country received a letter that somebody had mistakenly addressed to the "national p0rnographic office". Despite the error, the letter arrived successfully (unfortunately, the contents turned out to be hydrographic in nature), thus proving that the difference is immaterial. Which remind me, I have to go and register the HydroHub domain.
Dan brings the receipts, that's for sure and as he says so many times, "Data > Dogma". What's sad is that random apologist will probably get more views than Dan's rebuttal because people want to believe the Bible is somehow magically accurate.
Many Evangelicals hold to “inerrancy” both in Copying and Translation as “proof” that the Bible is a supernatural rather than human endeavor, since humans naturally make mistakes. Since total inerrancy is off the table to anyone with a brain, in recent years they’ve shifted the argument to “well, there aren’t any MAJOR errors” as way to keep “proving” the supernatural nature of the Bible. But you are correct, accuracy doesn’t mean truthfulness (has it ever occurred to them for example, that a supernatural agent could lie?) They won’t want to hear that though. And even a single error prevents the inerrancy argument from being correct.
This was my immediate thought, as well. It's great if a text is remarkably well preserved, it has no affect upon whether that text was fact or fiction when it was written. And, this apologist thinks that preservation of text makes it all worthy of belief. 🙄
Well, Christians presupose divine inspiration [ and for some, divine innerancy ], and Muslims presume divine dictation before making the argument about accurate textual transmission or preservation.
I think it worth mentioning that the boy in the video spoke about Isaiah having prophecies of Jesus but this is not true. There are no clear prophecies of Jesus in the text and those that are quoted by Christians require mistranslation or removal from context by simply ignoring preceding or following passages or just reading Jesus into passages that mean something else simply because they want to.
@@tezzerii Yes, I am aware that Dan said, simply, "that's not what's in Isaiah 53. I was spelling it out because many people seem unaware of the facts. I have mentioned it before on this channel and others and have been bombarded by Christians telling me I'm everything from a blind fool, to a liar and even Satan himself 😂 When I say there are no prophecies of Jesus in the Hebrew bible at all, they lose their minds.
The first time I heard the "They caught 153 fish, that's a reference to Isaiah 53!" I nearly fell down laughing. Everything is whatever they want it to mean. Up can be down. Love thy neighbor can become "hate the guy from 3 towns away" And the rich can easily get into heaven.
@@enlacostaizquierda Very true. That's one of the things that iritates me about theists. If i think, say or do anything, i have to own it but they can justify it by pretending it's God's will or its in the bible.
How do folks just… lie? Morally? Like, at some point someone had to say “there are only 4 letter differences” with a straight face, knowing the data was available and proved otherwise
I would also mention that no Jews were allowed to study DSS until 1992. Until The chief Catholic priest in charge of DSS called Jews and Judaism " a dirty religion" on an international TV interview. The Israeli gov then seized control of the DSS for all mankind to equally study . This story in NY times 1990 article a law suit by Jews demand to be allowed to review study DSS. תודה רבה שלום
Once that impudent and impious ignoramus of a priest made that hateful remark the Israeli government no longer had any faith that the Catholic Church are going to preserve the scrolls let alone translate them correctly. And kudos to Robert Eisenman who was the first to publish the whole lot.
Here's how to distinguish propaganda from factual reporting. Propaganda is the theatrical staging with copies of manuscripts without any reference, the argument of authority suffices thanks to the spectacle. The facts are presented with references and the show boils down to “But which T-Shirt is going to be presented? ".
I Really hope that that's just a *replica* of the book of Isaiah and that some random RU-vid stranger is NOT allowed to actually the real deal without gloves or any other sort of protection or supervision ...😅
someone here ought to correct me if i'm mistaken, but apparently the appropriate way to deal with old paper is with the bare hand. i've heard using gloves can lead to unintended chips in the paper.
Isaiah 7:14 in DSS does not say " virgin will bare a son" In future tense as Church fathers changed it . Isaiah 53 has nothing to do with Christian Jesus. Read all of Isaiah in context in Hebrew. There is only one Orthodox Tankah Hebrew bible in history all match word for word from Yemen to Russia verify that. Orthodox Judaism does not rely on DSS as proof text. It is considered Shaimos ( defective scripture must be buried) . תודה רבה שלום
@@JJFrostMusic Additional information ideas like man God idol trinity human sacrifice calvary is not allowed in Judaism. We don't accept new ideas in New testament or Quran or Mormonism.. Or Batman.
@@MitzvosGolem1 But talking snakes, slavery, genocide and drowning just about every living thing on earth in a great flood? No problem accepting those.
Hello Dan, can you make a video explaining the fulfillment of biblical prophecies. There was a video in which you claimed that one of the gospels (I don’t recall which one), had manipulated a story to make it seem like Jesus had fulfilled prophecies. Can you please go in depths about this in a video or quickly respond to me in a comment. Thank you
You should check rabbi Tovia Singer. He has his own RU-vid channel, I think, but he has also been interviewed on other channels that deal with biblical scholarship and has talked extensively about the topic of biblical prophecy. I find him a captivating speaker with an encyclopedic knowledge of the Bible. I think you refer to the gospel of Matthew: there’s several episodes of the life of Jesus that are described in a way that echoes Hebrew Scriptures. Definitely not a topic for a quick response.
I think you refer to Matthew where Dan had 2 examples, or at least 1 about the 2 mules, where it was clear the writer(s) used the Greek translation and misunderstood or copied a mistake. And if I'm correct Dan posted it last week or the week before. And I think it was in one of the response videos to a young apologist that tried to refute 5 contradictions. (Dan responded to all 5 separately)
The book of Matthew presents Jesus as a new Moses. There are tons of little stories in Matthew that end with "This happened in order to fulfill the prophecy", but frequently the reputed fulfillments of Hebrew Bible prophecy are questionable at best. Whatever you're referencing likely comes from Matthew.
@@jimjim292 It's, "It's 'in depth,' not 'in depths.'" Or as I'd put it, "you picked a silly time to be a grammar cop when the person got their point across and you clearly aren't teaching him how to use Standard American English."
I was thinking, how did that kid grab ahold of that 2,000 year old scroll? If it's a reproduction then people are getting really good at making authentic looking copies which means they'll be going to be good at making forgeries too. 😮
*It seems that everyone is forgetting one important thing... All writings that contain God's explicit name, including the scrolls that were used by apprentice scribes (!!!) which may be full of errors and mistakes (!!) are kept !! They are not thrown a way, but are being respected by burying them. It's called Gniza.*
The most notable difference between Dr Dan and your average apologist is that he can acknowledge the importance and remarkable similarity of two manuscripts without being particularly bothered by the ramifications of either the differences or degree of immutability of the text. The apologist cannot accept ANY meaningful change in the text. Allowing even a minor change is to sacrifice their dogma of perfect, divine transmission.
Isaiah was written over many years. probably finished around 200 b.c., give or take. A number of authors. Predictions about Cyrus were obviously written after the fact.
Impossible to know for sure, DSS are likely centuries after the Deutero-Isaiah was first written and we have nothing really for that time gap. The likely answer is probably no, though
Chapter 53 was in the "original (meaning the book completed around 184 BC). But Isaiah and Daniel were very popular with apocalyptic jews of the first century, so the gospel authors had access to their contents as they were composing their stories. Stories about Jesus were written by people who knew the 53rd chapter very well.
When the original guy said at 0:45 "scribal mistakes" I thought he said "scrabble mistakes". Yes, I was confused. Heh, when I went back to find the timestamp, the text overlay heard it that way too.
Despite these things, I still cannot help but see Isaiah 53 to be talking about Jesus. Some verses, I can see being about Israel; but some, even when trying to read Israel into them, I cannot see any other way. I don't even have an agenda or anything, but I just genuinely don't know what else some of the verses could be referring to?
@@JopJio How can verse 9 be about the people of Israel? We know throughout the entire old testament that the nation of Israel is continually rebellious before God, worshipping other gods and what not. What can :11-12 mean? How did the people of Israel make many to be accounted righteous by bearing their iniquities? How did Israel pour out their soul to death? How were they numbered with the transgressors? How did they bear the sin of many, making intercession for transgressors?
@chadkndr do you know what a metaphor is? Chapter 53 is about the calamity of the Exile. Also, there are two ways for Isaiah to show similarities to writings about Jesus. One way is for the writer of Isaiah to have been magically induced to write stuff about someone who was going to live centuries after him. Another is for the Gospel writers to say "hey, our guy is like that!" and echo Isaiah in their writing.
Christians will say the "Suffering Servant" is Jesus. Jews (like Tovia Singer) will say it refers to the nation of Israel. I don't think either explanation really works. It seems to refer to a person, not a people, but someone who lived in the past. My personal opinion is the author is talking about himself or the actual Isaiah that he is pretending to be. The people who wrote about Jesus knew this passage and could fit story details to match up with it.
@@ballasog I fail to see how this is a metaphor for the exile, or for Israel in general. I am not trying to force any one conclusion, I'm genuinely asking for explanations. I cannot understand how it can be referring to anything beyond one individual; literally, metaphorically, allegorically. Verse 8, "he was cut out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people" Who is the 'he' in this, if 'my people' are Israel? I am genuinely asking. I am not saying that it (the chapter) IS talking about Jesus, but I am saying that I cannot see it to be talking about Israel, even when trying. So who is it talking about?
This seems kinda... irrelevant to the issue of whether the content is authoritative and true (ie, whether "the Bible can be trusted"). He says Isaiah is "trustworthy" but he's doing a rhetorical dodge where he _means_ "accurately transmitted" (which obviously is itself a dubious claim), but he wants that assertion to be _heard as_ "authoritative and true". And while you'd want an authoritative and true document to _be_ accurately transmitted, that isn't the quality that _makes it_ authoritative and true, let alone any further invented readings not directly evidenced by the text of the document which is also what he's trying to slip in as part of its authority and truth. So his rhetorical goal here (apart from just lying) is to convince people of something which he supplies no evidence for.
I’ve watched a bunch of these videos. There is a constant thread-pretending to know what you do not know. It’s simply that. Stop pretending to know what you do not know.
Is he deliberately lying or not bothering to check his facts? The DSS alone contain variant copies of Isaiah. What gets me the most, is he actually manhandling a 2K year-old artifact!? I seriously hope it's a copy ...
The Dead Sea Scrolls are obviously not what is being handled. For you to think that implies you know nothing. Even saved copies of New Testament scripture is more faded than what was displayed.
@@MusicalRaichu It's how "discussions" work now, from nearly anyone. Any statement that isn't 100% in accordance with the receiver's thought must be described as utterly wrong and ridiculous, else life isn't exciting or something
All I ever heard from pastors behind the pulpit is how the dead sea scrolls prove the inerrancy and preservation of the Bible. Just another one of the problematic apologetics stuck on repeat without actual evidence to back it up.
Isaiah 53.2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant and as a root of the dry ground he hath no form nor comeliness and when we shall see him there is no beauty that we should desire him. Genesis God called the dry land earth. These three bare witness in the earth blood water spirit these three are one. Jonah got spit out on dry land. Moses walked on dry land.
What differences does it make? There are no autographs; the laity do not read paleographs; preachers are taught to teach around problems of transmission; and most people are culturally programmed about what holy text are supposed to mean. Religion and belief in God are species specific behaviors of humans. Do what you like in science, the social outcomes will be the same because humans are animals guided by genetic expression. A few yield to epigenetic forces like thinking, but most age away in voo-doo.
"Voodoo" is not evangelical Christianity. Using that word in that fashion marks you as a low-thought atheist who likes thinking he doesn't sound racist when he does.
Let's talk about your religion or beliefs Why do you avoid it like the plague Are you ashamed or afraid to say Or sworn to secrecy like the rest of them
@@jimjim292 He claimed not to be an atheist But refuses to declare his beliefs. When you're making a career out of disproving other peoples beliefs It's only right people ask him about his beliefs I call it moral justified legality. Ask him why he avoids it like the plague Ask me and I'll tell You who he likely is.
@@lysanamcmillan7972 Then you must request it from your idol to repost it so the rest of us can find it. Go make that request Because he ignores & avoids it when asked Now do this and then you can get over it Blind puppet
*ALL of the ancient manuscripts including the Dead Sea Scrolls were changed supernaturally by what has been misnamed ''the Mandela Effect" but would have been called ''the Daniel 7:25 Effect'' if Fiona Broom knew scripture and prophecy instead of Oija boards and Tarot cards. There are 15 films in my bible change playlist on Isaiah 11:6 which could easily prove it's been changed from Lion and Lamb to wolf and Lamb **_IN ANY COURT OF LAW ON EARTH!_** But all of the old bibles and manuscripts now say ''wolf'' and so does every reference book in the world. This is some of the ''lying signs and wonders'' God told us about in 2nd Thessalonians 2!*
*This is one of the most iconic verses in the bible and anyone who doesn't see that it's been changed obviously never read their's much!* Isaiah 11:6 as it is today *“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.”* AS IT WAS: Isaiah 11:6 *"Then the lion shall lie down with the lamb, and the bear shall eat grass like the ox, and the child shall play on the hole of the asp, and nothing shall hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain." (KJV).* *What Jesus and our Father have spoken will never change, their promises are still good and our prayers are still answered! Hallelujah!!! But as impossible as this sounds, like so many of the true stories in scripture, our bibles have all been supernaturally changed by Satan in the last several years, right in our homes, in the fulfillment of prophecy. It's being done to prepare for the reign of the antichrist and the extermination of all Christians. All languages and all translations have been changed with black magic along with concordances, encyclopedias, dictionaries, history books, the ancient Hebrew, Greek, Latin and Aramaic manuscripts. Even the Dead Sea Scrolls have been changed!* *I'm 71, was saved when I was 10, and have read only the exact same copy of the King James bible my church gave me in 1961. (This does not mean I was a King James onlyist but now I'm glad I never read other versions or I might not have noticed the changes as easily) I had memorized many scriptures from it through the years. Then in 2014 I started seeing changes in it that I couldn't explain. I have an exceptional memory, I remember my 3rd birthday party and can draw a picture of my baby stroller. I had never owned a computer and had never heard of the Mandela Effect back then. But after finding out about this phenomenon a year and a half later when I was given my first computer, I finally found out why I had been noticing all of the oddities in my bible. I then started diligently studying what should actually be called the Daniel 7:25 effect. That's where God said He would give the antichrist the power to do this. ("change times and laws", one of many **_previously misinterpreted_** prophecies) We're seeing the fulfillment of end time prophecies happening SUPERNATURALLY! This is some of the "lying signs and wonders" in 2nd Thessalonians chapter two!* *God said in the end of days, (NOW!) that He would send us a famine for hearing His words in Amos **8:11** and that He would give the antichrist the ability to do this in Daniel 7:25. In Daniel 12:4 He told him to seal his book until the end days. He told John **_not_** to seal his book because the end time is at hand in Revelation 22:10. One of the Greek definitions of seal in Strongs concordance is “to protect from Satan”. He also told us to “hide His words in our hearts”, which meant memorize, if not word for word at least the essence of what was written, because He knew this was going to happen. He also warned us in second Thessalonians chapter two, that He would send a strong delusion to all that didn’t receive the love of the truth. I'm convinced that this is at least part of it! (not seeing the changes) The only scary thing about this is that maybe 1% of all Christians have noticed any of the **_thousands_** of changes yet! And this includes all the "pastors" people have heard of too! The film in my playlist called 'What is the Strong Delusion' shows Lawson, Missler and others in it proving this.* john oz Yes residue junkie I was a backsliden Pastor, away from God for over 25 years. When I found out that Isaiah 11:6 had supernaturaly changed from a lion to a wolf it spun me out, and as a result it brought me back to Christ. I have been back in the arms of Jesus for 12 months now. I see changes in the bible constantly now. For example, you can not find the words, "hallelujah, demons, wineskins" in the Old KJV bible anymore. Too many changes to go into. In Gen 1:1, the word heavens has changed to heaven. It no longer has the letter s in the word... *God commanded us to "prove all things", and people **_better_** obey Him, especially on this subject. I urge you to research this. There are many brothers and sisters making videos about the changes with more proof of what was originally written and I have lots more about this in my playlist which you can 👉 find by clicking on my Lion and Lamb profile picture, or by typing into RU-vid PROOF OF BIBLE CHANGE RESIDUE JUNKIE 1.* 👈 *I've continued to study scripture by learning what Satan has been changing. They say the lights are going to go out and obviously YT will eventually censor **_all_** truth, and then we'll only have hard copies of the bible that **_Satan_** wants us to read. At that point, Amos **8:12** will be fulfilled where it says we won't be able to find God's words anymore!* *_May God bless all who read this with eyes to see this proof of the validity and accuracy of God's prophetic word, incredible faith strengthener and how close we are to our Saviour's return!!!!_* ❤✝️💪
So there are three possibilities. 1: Your god is not powerful enough to prevent his book from being altered, and we should be looking into whatever is capable of altering even millennia old documents and erasing all evidence of these alterations as it is more powerful than god. 2: Your god is complicit in the deception of humanity by either working the alteration themselves or allowing the alteration to happen. This god wants the human race to be deceived and therefore it is our moral duty to rebel against it. 3: The Mendela affect is a widely known, widely documented, widely studied cultural phenomenon that perfectly explains the facts at hand without needing to bring in anything supernatural or magical, and everything you said is bullshit.
@@chadkent327*The 4th "possibility'' is the correct one and that is just like I said, I could easily prove you don't know what you're talking about in any court of law kid.*
What your talking about is the Mandel effect. Some people believe comedian Howie Mandel died in a South African prison instead of voice acting in Bobby's World
I was waiting for "there is academic consensus", and I wasnt disapointed. 😂 No video cant be without those authoritarian words that put an end to questioning. In middle ages there was authority of pope,now authority of protestant "academic consensus", who change their opinions every decade. Very amateur theology...
@@dertechl6628 Most of videos are theology not history and allways there is “scholarly consensus” or “academic consensus” as an argument. The author is VERY subjective , pushing his cryptoatheistic agenda , constantly seeing inconsistencies in Bible but being blind to inconsistencies in bible studies ,Those studies are over the time changing its conclusions, but allways is the most modern conclusion the right one. Also, this atheist is frequently appealing to Christians not to commit violence . Obviously, he thinks violence is all that Christians are capable off , even after Neshville shooting points to the very opposite.
Bro is being dishonest, go and check archeologist as Rodrigo Silva, a Phd archeologist, Hebrew, Greek and Egyptian, also a Master on philosophy and He is also a scholar.
