@@DosHemperor I think you have delay on your comments? 😂 I guess I should have said Examining Recto's. Is there always a guy like you in every comment section?
I'm so excited they nailed it. It's crazy to me that there's SO MANY alternatives for Plexis, Vox's, etc, but until now, there's only been ONE Rec. This is legit!
I would love an Orange module. I've heard there is a Hi-Watt module in the works and I think a Dr. Z is probably coming out next. They teased it at NAMM.
From most sources I've found online (which could be incorrect), the rectifier gets a lot of it's tone shaping from the power amp. Which is difficult to emulate in software because it's one of those "feel things". Which is also difficult to put in a pre-amp/pedal because you never know what power amp someone will plug it into.
I get what you’ve described. However, the entire process of preamplification, EQ, rectification, tube and transformer nonlinearity and loudspeaker reproduction can unquestionably be emulated in a low power circuit outputting an analog signal. And don’t fall for the “feel things” excuse. The only thing that cannot be flawlessly emulated is the guitarist’s playing. The way that playing affects the sound is 100% under the control of repeatable processes, whether they are analog or emulated.
@soad11dude Yes your sources are right. The Modern mode uses no negative feedback in the poweramp which increases the outputimpedance of the power section and forces the amp to drive the speaker more like a constant current source would. In conjunction with the rising impedance of the speaker (in the low and high end) this creates a high Q bass boost at the resonance frequency of the cabinet and a boost of the overall high mids and high end. This interaction between the poweramp and the speaker is crucial to the scooped sound and behaviour of the Modern mode. This behaviour can't be directly emulated in just a preamp module, unless you involve some internal more complicated eq'ing.
@@UncleBensRice Sigh…. Another magic claim. That last sentence is a doozy. Can’t be done unless you do it like….. Everything sonically can be emulated, even in “just” a preamp. Crazy stuff.
@@artysanmobile So you claim everything can be replicated in the preamp and when I explain how one had to implement it technically to recreate it sonically to some degree you're like "nO tHat's nOt riGhT! ThOse aRe juSt sOmE mAgiC cLaIms". This just shows that you lack fundamental knowledge about electronics and how eq'ing/filtering works. You can totally emulate the sound of the whole amp in the digital world by createing a mathematical model of the whole amplifier and using mathmatic convolution, but in the analog world it's not that simple. There are certain things, like the behaviour of an speaker when not dampended by the poweramp, that you can't recreate unless you actually drive a real speaker, something an ANALOG PREAMP simply doesn't do. I'm not saying that the Synergy module can not sound really close to the actual thing, but there is definitely some truth to the comment that was originally made.
I'd like to hear how some of these would sound through something like the Ignite Amps TPA-1 (a power stage sim) and some impulses. Just for S'nG's. Think it would be neat. I always liked mixing with what I had which always ended up being a mix of real gear and VST's. You do what you can with what you have!
I have noticed that most rectifier modelling digital stuff usually is made to sound more like ready in mix and they seem to have much more gain and less low end than the real thing, thats a good thing for me tho, I hate playing trough dual recs because I never have really got a good sound without using pedals, if i pay almost 2 grand for an amp, I want it to sound good even without pedals, for example the evh 5150 is perfect in my opinion, maybe I have to try the badlander sometime, haven't had a chance to try it yet.
Pushing the mids more than I would on my Rev G. On mine the mids push all the muddy, and unpleasant mids around 250-500hz so I tend to run mine like cannibal corpse and just back off the mids, around 11 o'clock or so. Almost seems like the mid control or placement might be a bit more modern or higher up frequency wise. Bottom end sounds right and that top end fizz is dead on and it seems to be because the presence control basically might as well be another treble control after the preamp just like on a real recto. Would like to compare this to my rev g and see what I get.
Sounds great.. I already have the Powerball, SLO and iicp which are stellar.. So I don't need another high gain preamp.. But this seem so wild and legit sounding that it is hard to resist...
A key component to the Modern mode in a rectifier is the lack of negative feedback in the power section. I therefore imagine that this, being a preamp, only gets you half there unless you pair it with a correct power amp. Maybe this should've been mentioned.
That's the quintessential rectifier tone imo. Ty Tabor is a tone genius. I prefer the earlier stuff with the Lab Series L5 amps but nobody has gotten a tone like him in either case.
@coreyclark6505 That Gretchen tone is possibly my favourite tone of all time, and I can't put my finger on what it is that makes it magic. It's clean and distorted at the same time, it's got a gritty edge but it's so smooth, and it's just so balanced. And it's got this weird mid focused "chaw" sound that just cuts through the dense mix they had on that album. I don't think it can be replicated. I don't think Ty Tabor can even get it himself. Hard to believe they never really got big, especially with how influential they were on bands like AIC and Soundgarden. I discovered them because of a CD in a second hand store in about 2005 when I was in my early teens. I was blown away.
I would be really interested in the reasoning behind this. They already have a soldano module. And since the only real difference between the slo and an early recto is the power section, I would think this is a bit redundant. Maybe they chose to use some different values. Idk. I just feel like there’s too much overlap between all the modules in the synergy lineup. They sound great, but a lot of similarities between many of the modules.
Just because the topology is similar doesn't mean it's the same. Try running a recto preamp through a Soldano Poweramp.. it's sort of close but not the same.
@@davidfaustino4476 I definitely understand that. My point is really pointed more towards the redundancy of very similar products. You can turn knobs to make a lot of these modules sounds the same.
@@Troybuilt79 im a big synergy fanboy and yet i still kind of agree with you… i mean taking ur comment a step further, u could put an eq in front and in the loop of most modern metal amps and with those get them do “sound” like nearly any other brand. That said there are a lot of nuances guys are going for that are still beyond advanced eq-ing techniques. My opinion? Let everyone have fun buying, flipping and trading all the modules!! No diff than flipping through overdrive pedals :)
Ive noticed almost everything thats not a mesa rectifier sounds weird I havent found software that really nails it Been messing with amphub for recording It just doesnt feel the same Its just a duller 5150 imo I wish i could find something that gives that rev F dual rec sound
Any help Here? I have an UMC404hd and I get a hiss/buzz sound in my recordings when I'm plugged in. I use to have a laptop with the same interface so I'd just unplug it when I'm recording, but now I upgraded to a PC build so obviously no option to unplug the power. Both monitor and pc are connected to the same multiplug. Would using balanced cables work? Or is there a power strip connector of some type that can help
i’ve never been lucky enough to play a real one so i don’t know how a true recto would sound but how do you think the fractal models compare and the fredrik models etc?
I've owned a triple and dual from the 90s, i was very impressed with the axe fx III's models. They sound and feel amazing, best digital sims in my opinion. And you can tweak 'em until you're satisfied including putting them through virtually any cab sim or IR.
Fluff I have a good question. So I started using plugins on a crap MacBook from 2012 every plugin the gate sucked kinda muddy, I just started my new pc build it’s the highest end AMD CPU GPU combo, my question is will I notice better quality sound with a higher end computer that may smooth out those issues?
It's partially or mostly because the EQ is likely pre gain, like the Mark series. Keep the bass low to tighten it up. Put an EQ after the preamp to add some low-end.
Gotta be honest. I dont see the point of these modules. For the price, why not just buy an actual rectifier? The power amp is a huge part of the recto sound anyway. Sorry to be that guy, just dont see these things catching on. Even with the internet people promoting them...
you heard it from the man himself. Fluff likes big butts and he cannot lie. You other youtubers can’t deny. When a recto walks in with a itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face.
