Does the Yu-Gi-Oh TCG Hate Pendulum Monsters? 

It certainly helps that all five exodia pieces are limited

@@aluminumtarkus and all the cards associated to an OTK of Exodia

They make op spellcaster then hit it while op dragon is not banned; literally they hate Yugi and love Kaiba

Relax, I just counted, and it looks like they might actually be tied at 16 cards on the current list each, even after including the five pieces of exodia, which are limited moreso for lore reasons and inflate the spellcaster number a lot. And if not tied, it's really close. Do you really think Konami hates their cash cow Yugi, when Dark Magician wins every single popularity poll ever, and they're still releasing Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes support to this day?

@@aluminumtarkus ...It was a joke, dweeb. People make that joke everytime new Dark Magician is released, only for Blue-Eyes support to be released but be blatantly stronger. It's also a fairly old joke.

The ones who hate them are very vocal about their hatred...usually accompanied by frenzied arguments about how high the "potential ceiling" of Pendulums is and thus they should never come back, under any guise. The power ceiling argument is true only in a vacuum, because Pendulums have more exploitable weaknesses than other decks and are especially weak against control-based strategies. Technically they CAN summon back their monsters from the ED every turn...but any competent combo strategy can do the same thing from the GY. Pendulums, however, only work if they have Pendulum scales on board, so a single MST can stop a Pendulum strategy in its tracks. And MST is one of the weaker anti-backrow cards that still sees play. Not to mention stuff like Nibiru, Lightning Storm, etc, which didn't exist when Pendulums were at full power. Pendulums could be brought back at full strength tomorrow without making any noticeable impact on the meta. Nor would they unless Konami printed broken cards for Pendulums in the future. And that's true of every mechanic. Mechanics are limited by the card pool available to them. Not am I particularly fond of Pendulum decks in general. However diversity is good for the game, and a lot of players do enjoy the Pendulum mechanic. For which reason I think they should try to find ways to bring Pendulums back into the game, just to make more fans happy. If it would help assuage the fears of the Pendulum-haters, there's always the option of making dedicated anti-support as a hard counter to Pendulum strategies. That's probably the route that would make Konami the most money; you'd have tons of tournament players queing up to buy the new stuff, just to make sure they're prepared for the possible appearance of a Pendulum deck.

@@benmaske9598 correct me if im wrong but if pendulum summon for 5 it would count as 1 and you cant use nibiru?

@@user-vl8ck4gz6w Nibiru's text says "...if your opponent Normal or Special Summoned 5 or more monsters this turn...", so it can hit Pendulums.

@@benmaske9598 I don't like combo and I don't like pendulum. I hope it never comes back.

@@benmaske9598 i love my majespecters but they really suffer from the nerf and lack of support. If I don't get a link monster, I'll waste my pendulum summon summoning only 1 monster If my scales got destroyed, my plays get heavily crippled If I got 2 scales and had to play a continuous backrow, that leaves me with only 2 available slots for other S/Ts. Also the generic pendulum supports are few and most of them aren't even good

Zexal was kind of simmilar for some reason they didn't include even one Synchro monster.

i haven't seen Vrains but want to know. What did they say in the anime about this?

It was hard to fit pendulums in since they were mostly playing speed duels

@@TheKABE09 imagine playing Pendulums with only three Monster and S/T zones 😭

@@TR-qf2gt ok but they didnt alwats play Speed duels, Revolver atleast used it atleast once and it wouldn't have been that bizzare, 1. Revolver hates speed duels, 2. Unlike the other characters he can used the summoning methods independantly, 3. it would have made the perfect Fire Pheonix @Ignister

Honestly, Electrumite would be fine at 1 and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have their head on straight. Electrumite never amounted to much of anything at 1. Astrograph ban + Electrumite to 1 was enough to kill Pend Mages outright and with 1 Electrumite, Endymion could generously be classified as Tier 2. Now, if we get a new Pendulum archetype that could do things on par with full power Pend Mages with just 1 Electrumite, then yeah I'd be the first to say Electrumite should be banned. But that's speaking purely in hypotheticals. I somewhat doubt even PePe could pull that off in MR5.

This. I think that they are extra reluctant about anything Pendulum related because of how easily it can break the game if you are not careful with it (think Pepe), so they'd rather be extra punitive against the mechanic than too lenient. I don't necessarily agree with the way they treat it, but I definitely understand why they treat it like that

@@sephikong8323 Even under MR3 it was questionable whether Pendulums were *really* all that bad. Yes, PePe was awful and shouldn't have been allowed to happen, but *every* major mechanic has produced at least 1 Tier 0 deck. There was Nekroz for Rituals, Glad Beasts for Fusions, TeleDAD for Synchros, Zoodiac for Xyz, and SPYral for Links. Meanwhile, Pends in general were consistently underperforming compared to other mechanics all throughout MR3. There were just 4 Tier 1+ Pendulum decks during the *entire* MR3 era, and one wasn't even really played as a Pendulum deck (talking about Qli).

@@HunterStiles651 I am not talking about their track record, just how high the potential the ceiling for Pendulum actually is and why they always have been reluctant on giving it support due to how poorly thought out the mechanic was when it was conceived. Pepe is just the closest a deck has been to utilizing the mechanic to it's full extent, it can even potentially go higher than that still and they know it, that's why you can clearly see how each Pendulum archetype barely even scratches the surface on how to use the mechanic, because if they did truly use it, it could be a lot of trouble, Pepe is simply the only deck that actually used the scales as more than just a backrow that could potentially summon monsters

@@sephikong8323 You know you're the first person I've seen make a convincing argument for why Pendulums not going back to how they worked in MR3 would be a bad thing? Good on you, m8.

Good

@@ShoXwavee i think if pendulum got some cards back, then the meta would be more diverse. many decks are stronger than pends anyway.

@@Paradox-ih7rp Pends are one card away from being unfair again

Double iris is director self insert oc. Bad taste

@@Paradox-ih7rp in ocg banlist pendulum get their card lmao and they don,t even meta

So bloody true. Pendulums need more love. They gave Majestic Dragon and Majestic Star Dragon bloody retrains for God sake!!! Not that I'm mad about Stardust getting support.

To your second point cards like that already exist in the database. To name a few, Metaphys Decoy Dragon, Chaos Emperor the Dragon of Armageddon, and the new Antagonistic Intelligence ME-PSY-YA serve distinct purposes. Hence, there was at least some approach that Konami undertook to solve the pendulum problem and it could be extended further for other decks if it is seen as applicable. The only gripe I have with this is with a card like Metaphys Decoy Dragon. When it gets destroyed, you don't get value for bringing it back on the field and it permanently stays in the extra deck. This is a notable instance where card design doesn't mesh well with the strategy in terms of recursion. In the meantime, let's just hope for good card design and a safe return of pendulums back in the metagame.

I think an interesting fix for pendulums would be a Continuous Spell that removes the MR4 restriction put on Pendulums. By sacrificing 3 S/T Zones, a pendulum player can make use of all 6 Monster Zones at their disposal for a mass Pendulum Summon. It would be an interesting balancing act, choosing between having useable Monster Zones or more vacant S/T Zones.

@@jasperjavillo686, Konami wouldn't do that. If pendulums get the restriction removed in the next master rule, the card would be useless. Good idea though.

@@nkyfong The way I see it, what made Pendulums so broken early on was how oppressive their field presence could be. Because they go to the Extra Deck when destroyed, it’s much easier to revive them than any other Monster from the Graveyard. Couple that with dedicates Pendulum Zones and a Pendulum Deck could have 5 Monsters and 7 back row. These flaws were addressed with MR4, but it crippled the mechanic with how the Extra Monster Zone operated, make those Extra Deck Pendulum Monsters harder to revive than a other Monsters since they needed to be summoned to a Linked Monster Zone. I don’t think Konami will be removing that restriction soon since easily recyclable resources are the Pendulum mechanic’s greatest strength. Putting that strength behind a gate, be it Link Monsters or a Continuous Spell, is really the only way to balance the mechanic, and I’d personally prefer to sacrifice a S/T Zone over occupying several Monster Zones with Link Monster to only revive at most 4 Pendulum Monsters.

yes that's the most annoying things like virtual world infernoble knight ..

@@davide94extreme39 virtual worlds aren't dragon.

@@hutaocleookitavoidshiki1470 no but they do combo

@@davide94extreme39 they are far from generic unlike elpy or isolde

@@hutaocleookitavoidshiki1470 vw vomits special from the hand , has the spell that is broken and has a huge recover and consistency

YES. This is all I've been asking for.

the last support we got was during Pepe and after that lights went out lmao. 4 years no pendulum archetypes

Yes Odd Eyes has allways been my Favorite deck, i stopped playing fir a few years i just got back a few days ago and find electrumite banned i mean its sgill playable but its not nearly as fun as it was with electrumite

@the best youtuber Wish we could follow suit I mean they have maxx c at 3 😳

I mean look at what we have banned that they have legal.

Same here man. ✋

And i thought i was the only one

I felt that

Same

i thought i was the only 1

I've thought about that but I'm not sure what you could really do. First of all, most of their effects are pretty shitty, with normal effect monsters that don't take jumping through hoops to use being better. If you give them a field/continuous spell that automatically turns on all Gemini effects on field, then you lose to one MST, and you can't play if you don't see your one card or terraforming/metaverse/set rotation. You'd have to have really, REALLY busted effects to make them worth it, like say a monster that lets you draw 3 once per turn if it's gemini summoned, or one that's an omni negate with some protection, considering the amount of effort they take.

@@king_acceler8755 there's a fusion monster that does what the field spell does. Takes literally 2 Gemini monsters. Can be summoned with a certain spell card we all know an love

I also like to mention Union monsters. So many effect monsters are getting released with a "equip to a monster" effect, it's like Konami forgot Union monsters exist

I don't think Gemini needs rebooting. It has so much support that if you get an archetype that takes advantage of its good points, they'll explode in a way that could wreck a meta. They're normal on the field (until Gemini summon) and in the GY, making a lot of normal support live, and they still count as effect monsters in the hand. This means they could take full advantage by creating a Gemini archetype that is full of hand effects and support cards that can do something like giant ballpark (send monsters from deck to GY on a trigger and extra effects happen if those monsters are normal)

Normal monsters should have op support to make them great again

Good

@@ShoXwavee i salute you, destiny hero are BESTiny heroes

@@DeepSolid43 you deserve a free draw for your kind words

They unbanned Stratos but banned Joker that only search on normal summon, sad

your joker is back

Ink costs

@@emperorhadrian6011 Red is a cheaper color m8

Links are thematically a cybernetic type of card. Blue is more of a technological color.

People seem to forget that ocg had it much worse off than we did. They had nearly 9 months of that, we had what 3 weeks?

@@jtalkalot19 We got it emergency banned from what I know, which means the TCG clearly felt like showing us some mercy unlike the OCG, that being said the OCG is a whole different animal in comparison to the TCG in terms of their ban list, meta, etc.

How was Synchro hated??

@@kotkafer2292 plant synchro, Fishborg blaster.

@@johnathanlemus5584 I think you are confusing being a tier 1 deck/ftk enabler with being hated

@@kotkafer2292 Where's the difference?

The issue with this is its konamis fault for not testing their stuff, don’t punish the player base cause some people found flaws in your designed cards.

Ah yes the sky striker. Orcust. Salad. And thunder dragon format. Where pendulm completely outshined.

It was entirely justified, they seriously hit every deck that was better than it in the format that list as well. The deck was a serious sleeper pick that format, and three servants is a pretty big difference from having 1 servant.

I couldn’t agree more. I loved the Pendulum Endymion cards, they make me return to the game because I was a big fan of the spell counter mechanic back in 2009 before I retired. I haven’t left the game since then, but every ban-list I wait for servant to get unlimited

@@luisalvaro2900 Brooo... same. I’m simply an Endymion player, not a pendulum player. I play them because of the spell counter mechanic, not because of the fact they’re Pendulums. I was playing tf out of that deck in elementary school back in 09.

yeah

The OCG usually gets better cards in thier sets.

Accurate

The recent Dragunity cards are a great example

@@payne9682 The man himself replied, I’ve made it

The Ocg are chill at least

You and half of this comment section have my respect.

Yeah, Electrum at 1 would still limit the ceiling of what Pends can do, while allowing them to actually... exist.

🤜🤛

You know, except for the fact that VFD was banned befire the video was made

Electrumite still doesn't make them good again. Pendulums were good because you could summon 5 every turn in MR3. Now you lose to a Silver rokket that snipes electrumite or anti spell fraguence.

@@shakeweller They also lost against anti-spell in MR3. And I never said that electrum would make them meta again, but they would become playable and that's all they need and want.

@@shakeweller thats exactly why Pendulum got its hate because you could summon 5 monsters a turn which is stupid

@@ernestogastelum9123 your mean like literally every deck in the game now having a five minute loop to summon other extra deck monsters to completely lock down a board? Been happening for years now and pendulums are no where in sight during these combos.

@@ernestogastelum9123 Then why make EVERY SINGLE DECK play like pendulums? With that I mean being able to vomit their hand to get huge generic boss monsters or to shut down the opponent. Yes, I know there's more nuance in archetypes, but that's the image YGO has been giving since the pendulum era alongside lots of fun police cards aka handtraps. Pendulum in general is just overly complicated to balance.

Obviously. Since pendulums basically faded out of the game they aren't an issue anymore. Why should an active player complain about something that used to be an issue years ago when there are very real very current problems with the game?

maybe the new Doremichord can be a top deck if they have time to grow like the prankids did.

I hope Pendulums bounce back to becoming good. They were nerfed into the freaking ground and that saddens me.

i feel your pain my friend 💔😢

I even like the design of Odd Eyes Pendulum Dragon. It had a certain beauty to it. And now it's the face of an oppressed summoning type.

@Empek yeah and no. Like the pendulum mechanic as a whole is what I was on about if you get me. You're not wrong though but I think the intro of pends jacked up the power creep a lot

@Empek Mmm yeah you are right there. I think it is because pend is in recent memory still. I only started playing mid XYZ era so I was already used to that whole thing if you get me. And you are right lol people hate what they cannot be bothered to read lol

@Empek really ? For me it was the time increase . Playing a game with a pendulum player feels so draining . 10 minutes in and I’m still waiting for the person to end their first turn 🙄

@@rogerserrano4325 so... any meta deck?

Pendulums got hit a couple of times. Also anti spell, imperial order and ghost ogre are legal cards which shit on pendulum cards

@@jangaman7823 just because there are counters doesn't mean you will not be able use them in time since a competent Pendulum player can set up enough negates to render those kind of counter useless. So unless you go second against them and ensure you get your counters in hand then yeah.

@@jangaman7823 By that logic should we unban all the true draco cards because they have counters 😳 ? No definitely not

@@grovesy333 You are just stupid. You are taking 1 thing and disregarding the other

@@Tython82 Like i said. Pendulum overall have been hit enough. Electrumite coming back is not instantly gonna give pendulum players an easy auto win. Pendulum as a mechanic has inherent weaknesses that can be exploited. Also you cant just clump pendulum up as 1 thing/deck. Its stupid people say pendulum to hint toward a deck using its mechanic but not do the same for the other mechanics **smh** Ps. You can say about any break my board deck that you need outs to beat them like wtf. That much is true for most decks

They don't, what you refer to hate is just business practices.

@@randomprofile5853 Capitalism.jpg

Because you promote buying singles

@@elemomnialpha I mean always buying singles is kind of lame tbh, I'd buy a few sealed products and then singles.

Same

The reason we did t get element hero stratos back for years. Was becuse a guy in tcg didn't like stratos.

Yes! More Volcanic support! Please!!

Dead meme move on

basically it's what tcg is trying to tell us, but look at that DRAGONS are cool right?

I mean, endymion still puts up 6 with relative ease.

I tried out B.E.S. a few months ago but I'd probably use more L4 Spaceships & not as many B.E.S. beatsticks

Kozmo but new spaceship deck would be interesting

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm a returning player who got back into the game just after they banned Electrumite and I've fallen in love with Pends after at first glance thinking they were stupid.

They could give non-generic strong link monsters for Pendulum archetypes that works as both the constraint and the enabler for the said archetype.

Feel like artifact set in S/T zone

Even ddd rarely do pendulum summon cause it is not advantaging the deck also they get no Ritual summon mechanic

@@jofx4051 isn't it still technically a pendulum deck

@@sw9rd yes it is

They can stay gone.

@@jimthekidd agreed

"Testing the waters" You know - Something konami does all year as their job

It's a mistake of a mechanic. Why test it?

Everyone in this reply section is acting like they'll unban every single banned/limited pend card to 3 they wont they should just bring back some pend banned cards to 1 after all the ocg has plenty of pend cards that are banned in the tcg at one over there and its fine (including electrum) and they are the only summoning mechanic essentially still in MR4

You say that as if the other mechanics weren't capable of similar boards and bloated cards.

That could lead to some obnoxious link spam

Understandable with other pendulum decks outside of Qli. Maybe they can prevent link and pendulum summoning on the same turn? Can’t say I know many if that’s full proof.

Yeah that's true. Pendulum's main strength comes from the sheer perseverance of them. If they're destroyed they can just come right back, but in order to make that a viable strategy you had to run multiple pendulum cards for the scales and extra deck summoning. This was completely road-blocked in Master Rule 4 though. It was sort of okay at first since all of the summoning mechanics had the same problem, but then they go and remove the restrictions for everything but pendulum. Honestly I think pendulum could honestly make a triumphant return if they just focused on using it to bring out other extra deck monsters like it was supposed to be in the beginning. I mean sure it would allow for much more extra deck usage, but you would have to actually invest resources into setting it up creating a slow but steady build up effect.

@@brocautry5063 i hate pendulum and it wouldve been better if they made a pendulum only platform

True. Just errata the card to be only for metalfoes and it’s harmless

The Meta is versatile enough. If anything it will make it less divers considering that it will cover a significant portion of events. The deck had its spotlight in the sun we don't need pendulums in the meta almost every year.

Why should you call it "link zone"? Fusions, synchros and xyz still want to be summoned in there.

@@bl00by_ I've never seen a deck that had anything other than a link monster in the Extra Monster Zone other than the occasional misclick in some simulators.

@@TheRoseReaper wrong you summon el shaddoll apk in the extra monster zone link it off to link serach a fusion

@@teamyowielocked I don't see how I was wrong in not seeing it, but if that's a valid strategy in Shaddolls then I would be wrong in the sense of being ignorant of that particular strategy.

@@TheRoseReaper Thats btw the only reason why gravity controller is played in shaddoll.

I mean they do kind of

@All Mods Are Bas- [AMAB] He wants to tribute them for True Draco Monsters. Which thank God is not possible

@@shakeweller I would commit war crimes to play true draco pendulums

@iiYonko I haven’t played in over a year so I’m not familiar with the modern Dragon Link deck. The issue is that, when pendulum was good, pendulum was the best deck in the format. It is either unimportant or it is the best deck and there isn’t really any in between.

@@adamb1117 There was a period where endymion was tier 2

Not really, they could make it so you can't summon from the extra deck after you Pendulum summon or something along those lines. There are plenty of options to keep Pends in check without making them competitively unplayable.

Neat idea. Generic cards that have different effects of starting player and 2nd player would also be nice. Pretty sure this is already on konamis to do list anno 2030 or something

Exactly. I've been saying that pendulum was tribute support and extra-deck boosters for years. The ball was dropped when they stopped using restrictions (either in the way of Qli's or Zefras), while making standalone pendulum cards like Unicorn, Jackal and Endymion. Odd-Eyes and mainly D/D/D (pure) are how pendulums intented to work, resources for very costly Fusion/Synchro/Xyz combos (as well as constant tribute fodder) Electrumite was a mistake, because with it legal whatever good pendulum support card doesnt lock you into its specific archetype will be abused, in a way like Supreme King Starving Venom did with the LyriLusc.

@@babrad not even with the Lyrilusc, but just having SK Starving Venom copy Electrumite's Effect was also absurd, I literally played a deck that Resolved Electrumite's Effect 5 times a turn wich definitely felt unnatural 😂