Does UE5 Lumen work on the M1 MAX 

Anytime. I am actually going to start a devlog series where I try to build small games using the m1 max to hopefully find all the issues

@@EnovairStudios Cool, what are you working on atm?

Thanks for the comment. I agree it's a big investment and I struggled to find a laptop that could do everything. If I got a gaming laptop then I would have to give up battery life, have something that needs to be plugged in for full power, and something that gets so hot it can't actually sit on my lap. Plus the typical bloatware. For my use case it was worth it, but for others sticking with what you have or getting a PC may make more sense. I think the key is to know exactly what you're looking for and to get something that can give you most of what you want and need. For anyone who needs those features, cinematic shorts are a great example, I would say hold off and stick with PC. For others creating indie games that don't need it, UE4 so far has been working with no issues so I would recommend that. UE5 has some minor issues but I think it relates more to it being an early release when it's fully release I expect the bugs will be worked out but I don't think nanite will be supported, luman has a chance though. Hopefully this video can help give people the info they need to make the final decision.

@@EnovairStudios Your videos have definitely been helpful since you’ve been asking the real questions about M1 and gamedev ! Few channels went beyond the power trip of doing benchmarks without any real life situations. As for me I’m still pretty conflicted, this laptop suits my needs of being on the move and having enough power for content creation (3D, motion graphics, music production), while enjoying a clean OS. I left the Apple ecosystem for my gamedev needs but I keep ranting about how clunky Windows is. Now that this M1 max is out, I’ve been really thinking about getting one and accept its limitations on my gamedev tooling, I’ll only lose 5% of my overalls tooling but it’s already a lot for such an investment. Anyway just saying about my specific use case. It’s wiser to keep my machine and see how Unreal will do on M1 in the coming year. Again thank you for helping people like me get enough data to make decisions !

Hey, I am happy to help. And I completely agree, I actually want to start creating a series making mini games in unreal to see where the problems really are. For example xcode's intellisense doesn't work, VS Code does work but Jetbrains Rider works best by far. I won't be able to flush out all the issues until I go through the entire process and hope to share every step of the way. I think by waiting even 3 months you will be just fine because what you have works, and by then most of the issues will be known. I really don't want anyone to spend money on this unless it's going to really fit their needs. There is one thing that I still want to test, and that is working on a project 95% on my Mac and then using the PC to get that last 5%. I would just use version control to keep the projects in sync. For people who already have a PC this may be the perfect solution. I need a bit of time to test this workflow and will also need a more powerful PC but will share the results all the way. If you have any thing you would like to see let me know and I'll do my best to get a video out

@@EnovairStudios that's even better!! What you're planning to cover is very useful for us gamedevs out there I'm very thankful! You'll be testing Unreal gamedev workflows on Mac and that's important because we all know it's not an environment for that. Will the new M1 change that? You'll help us find the answer. I wanted to ask about making games and compiling them to see if it works. Covering the whole process of making a game will surely reveal hidden bugs and shortcomings : do all materials work? Maybe some shaders crash. What about Niagara, Sequencer, Control Rig and so on. So it's very useful for us, I'm also regularly checking discussions about M1/UE5 on Unreal forums and there are still lors of debates so what you're doing may give useful insight. The consensus is to use windows, but boy if I can ditch this OS I'll do it the second I know a mac laptop can do the job haha. I'll be closely following. Keep up the great work!!

I am happy this will be helpful! I will for sure keep your comment in mind to help answer all those questions. I should start recording and release those videos within a couple weeks. If you have any other questions or suggestions let me know. Thanks again for all the support

That is a great usecase, I believe unity can do AR but Unreal's workflow is really amazing and could be worth it to switch. If you make the windows machine your work machine, and have a mac as your personal I think you can get the best of both worlds. For me I don't mind windows, mac, or Linux,

Hey, I think that's a great use case for lumen. I'm honestly not sure if it will ever be supported, it may but I honestly am not sure.

also it doesn't show anything in the message log even after building lights

I still need to give it a try but I believe lumen was working as of the preview so not surprised if it's working now. Not sure about nanite but there is the robot demo project you can download and then you should be able to see if both are working

@@EnovairStudios Thanks!

@@elmomertens let us know please)

@@sahogrygoryan7993 I don't think Nanite is working right now. It seems like some parts are working, but Nanite visualisation is completely broken so it's hard to tell.

For UE5 gamedev I would go for the PC (there are too many work arounds right now) but I wouldn't get a 3090, what you could do is drop down to a 3080, use and Ryzen 5900 or 5950, same ram, and then get a MacBook m1 air for general use. Should cost less than just a loaded m1 max. The thing is you will need a PC eventually to compile for Windows so my suggestion would be the best of both worlds. Also I wouldn't get a gaming laptop as they tend to burn out too quickly and the GPU and CPUs are subject to a lot of thermal throttling

@@EnovairStudios This is the best advice we could get on this, honestly, really appreciate it. But if your aim is mainly filmmaking, I think the 3090 might be better instead of a 3080? Happy New Year 2022 :)) Thank you.

Thanks for leaving a comment. They may fix it in the final version of UE5 but I really don't know. I think most indies aren't targeting pushing next gen consoles to the limits so I don't think it's a loss at all. It's kinda like a new shiney object that gets a lot of attention but in real world use for the typical indie and end user I it may not be practical.

@@EnovairStudios What are the minimum specs for a Lumen powered game anyway? I‘d enjoy working on a UE5 indie game some day. :) Right now I am using Godot to create a simple 2D game for iOS/iPadOS. After evaluating Unity for 2D games, I found Godot much easier to use, while not being perfect. Fun times!

Thanks amazing, I hear great things about Godot. I think you need a GTX 1080 or RTX 2080 with 8gb VRAM and 32 GB RAM plus a 12 core CPU to run the demo. Because UE5 isn't released we don't know what the game requirements will be but I think using the demo as a proxy is a good idea

@@tivtag Indie and freelance dev here. This guy is running on an expensive Mac laptop (not great for now game development) but if you're using a Windows PC with something around a gtx1060 or higher and interested in trying 3D, I'd definitely recommend Unreal 5. It's less about shiny toys and more genuinely making things way easier and faster. Like if you want a highly artistic/open exploration game with lots of clutter... that used to be really difficult because you'd have to build sets of LODs for all your assets... But that's automatic for all static meshes now with Nanite. And if you were to make a horror game with lots of darkness and soft shadows... that's easier with Lumen as you no longer have to wait so long to bake things as long as it's in your graphical budget. If I had to recommend UE5 for anyone, it's definitely 3D indie devs just for those reasons alone. That could have saved me so much time years ago. (Though I'd wait until it's production ready)

@@SirNerdly Thank you! I agree, sounds reasonable. When I try 3D game dev, then I will prototype using UE5 for sure. :-)

Yep for short films it would be good

This is a very good question, I need to make an update video and run new tests

@@EnovairStudios yes please, I’m very interested in that. Especially from the perspective of rendering out to video like for filmmaking rather than just game dev

I actually haven't, I tried to mess around with it a bit then just gave up. I wasn't a big fan of it to begin with

You can go into the setting after and change everything which I did but cut out of the video. As of right now M1 Macs don't support hardware raytracing. Lumen is a form a raytracing

I hope so, but also there's a lot of interest with the GPU companies that might not like that, also Epic hates apple and viceversa, so I don't know.

Thanks for the comment. I am actively testing it and so far it is there for game development that indies would make. I have a series coming up where I will show all the good, bad and in-between

It's good for a lot more than that.

I found out how to do it….

I made Nanite and Lumen work

The video is on my page… i wrote my specs in the description

Hi I did that test and posted the results on my channel. Long and short, it doesn't work

@@EnovairStudios damn. Okay too bad. I wonder if it’s software issue or if the hardware just can’t produce it

@@TheFlatEarthChannelcom it's a hardware issues as M1 doesn't support raytracing and lumen is a form of raytracing

@@EnovairStudios what do you think of support with egpu support?

@@TheFlatEarthChannelcom I don't have any experience with egpus. I've watched a few videos and read that it won't be supported but honestly not sure