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I can't believe you chose a clip from the Untamed - as you absolutely should!! I was already learning Chinese, but it was the show that motivated me to enrol in HSK5 classes and continue improving. Thanks for the lesson!
As a part-time private Mandarin tutor, thank you for putting out this video. 👍🏽 It's so frustrating that books and apps teach something that isn't correct in real life. It also makes the students unnecessarily confused between the second tone and the third tone. 🤦🏽♀️
That's revolutionary stuff. I am learning chinese for over 20 years, but I always struggled with the 3rd tone. I would say my pronunciation is fairly good for a foreigner, which does not mean much(compare yourself always to native speskers in terms of pronunciation). I had always the concept of letting the tone drop and than immediately let it rise again in my head. Thank you for your explanation. Your explanation of the 3rd tone should become the standard explanation.
I'm a simple man, I see Wei Wuxian and a Chinese lesson in one thumbnail, I click. I considered studying Chinese even before reading the story because of my friends, but I lacked something that'd keep me obsessed and engaged and give me that necessary push without having to constantly bother others and embarrass myself. And then Chinese web novels and The Untamed blew up lol Also that's a nice explanation, makes it even clearer to understand. Though I still struggle a lot with figuring out the correct pronunciation when there are more than two 3rd tones in a row
Yeah I don't know how many times I've been put off trying to pronounce a word with a third tone because of how unnatural it felt to try to fall and rise all in one letter sound. I think it's maybe taught that way because when it's in the context of the word, it naturally sounds like it falls when you go into the third tone then rises when you come out of it despite the fact that the tone itself is flat. I'm so glad he explained it this way. I don't think I ever would have figured that out on my own (as dense as that sounds).
Likely because that's what's first taught to children native to the language (as in, when we're 2-4 first learning to talk). We gradually grow out of it and into what standard pronounciation used commonly. Though even I'm not too clear as to why. In younger years teachers let it slide with a reminder, but as you grow older to pronounce it like that is asking for embarrassment. My guess is it's related to children learn to pronounce the tones with imagery and imagination to , the first tone is flat, so the sound made is flat, the second goes up, your tone rises too, the same concept for the fourth which is written downwards, but not for the third. It goes two directions, so teachers have kids prononce it falling then rising it, and 'combine it'.
@@qqingtomo4591 I'm curious - is that actually how it's taught, say, in China? We all learn Chinese as kids in Singapore and I've never learnt it that way, I just directly learnt it as the single sound that it is
Even though I don't think it's helpful, I actually don't think it's wrong - I just think one reason foreigners have a hard time with this is because in English, you put stress on either the first or second syllable of a 2-syllable word. (English is a stress-timed language, and Chinese is a syllable-timed language.) If you unconsciously emphasise or lengthen "xi-" or "-ang" in "xiang", even to a miniscule degree, you won't get a third tone. Whereas if you do falling-rising while putting equal emphasis or length on the syllables, the whole word "xiang" comes out to an overall third tone. Or if you're just doing the falling-rising on just one syllable/letter, doing it really quickly (and with falling rising in EQUAL measure) does come out to a 3rd tone too!
@@TheHothotheatlive Oh, I'm Malaysian, and most Chinese I know have experience with our teachers teaching with this method. (Especially when words without any tones, 轻音, exists n most of us couldn't really pronounce the difference) I'm not too sure if it's what's used by other Chinese in other countries though.
You are definitely one of the best teachers online! Could you do a lesson how the tones relate to one another. I think for most English speakers we tend to forget that the tone before each tone affects how the next tone is pronounced. For example, if a first tone precedes a second tone, then that means the first tone which is the highest sounding tone dictates where the second tone starts to rise from. That second tone will definitely rise from a high note to an even higher octave because of the first tone. It will sound very different compared to a second tone coming off a third tone
I'm a simple woman I saw xiao zhan so I clicked 🤭 But I stayed for your good lesson (+1 subscriber !) It was really helpful to hear the rythm with the DA DA DA methode so thanks !
i don't know if RU-vid recommended this video because of The Untamed or because i study chinese but i will subscribe because in any case i'm winning 😂❤️ i love how you explained it! it makes me realize the differences between the tones when there's many of them, thanks a lot!
This is the first time since since using your 0 to hero course I've found such a pin point accurate lesson on intonation. Of course, it was you that made and posted it :) Thankyou so much for recognizing this common mistake and taking the time to help us correct it! Regards from Gold Coast, Australia.
It’s simpler than this. The sound of the 3rd tone is dependant on the tone after it. The first example has the 2nd tone, low-high after it, so you get the mid-low part of the 3rd tone but the low-high part of the 3rd tone is left out. If it’s followed by another 3rd tone, you get the low-high part but the mid-low part is cut out. And if it’s followed by a 5th (no) tone, essentially the tone pattern spreads over the two syllables: mid-low-high spreads over 胆子 for example.
When you Say that the third tone doesn't usually rise, and It should be a flat low tone, Is that the case also in Beijing? Because all of my teachers were from Beijing, and they would enunciate the third tone a lot more than people from other areas of China. Could It Be a regional thing? Thanks
even in the regions that would raise the end in 3rd tones, it is usually way way subtler than most learners do, so keeping it flat with a tiny implied but unvoiced raise is usually enough. the problems is usually learners say it in way that is identical to the 2nd tone.
I learnt my mandarin in Beijing and in my experience the 3rd tone before a 2nd tone isn't quite flat, it is low and falls a bit. You are basically truncating the rising bit. I know in places like singapore the 3rd tone tends to be low and flat though. You really hear the full (low fall+rise) 3rd tone only when it is at the end of intonational phrase.
@@audreygao7644 I meant to Say that to me It sounds like people from Beijing have stronger and more pronounced tones. I also noticed that Beijingers also strongly pronounce the "ing" "ang" etc
@Chinese zero to hero Two thing I noticed in this lesson. N - We tend to say a short quick n, but it should be pronounced as a thick N. A - Da sounds like a few a's (Daa). Dan has a short a.
I'm so glad to see this video. It's been a while since I started noticing that this bloody third tone actually doesn't rise as I had always read about. You are the first who explicitly sais that the third tone is just flat and low. Thank you!
As a European I'd like to share some advice that really helped me! I have been taking singing lessons ever since childhood and the practice of intervals in classic music really helped me in combination with tone training for chinese pronounciation! If you struggle greatly with the correct tones even after some times, you might try to really take a step back completely, do some vocal training and them maybe get together with a chinese friend and learn to read traditional poetry :) This helped me a lot with my every day pronounciation after getting stuck for a while
I learned a lot watching this video, and this guy is so good I felt the need to fix my accent and was saying the words along with him until I remembered I don't speak Mandarin😂
Third tone is indeed pronounced as in the sign which is first down then up. But there is one rule in chinese pronounciation which is "it should flow naturally". If you keep this in mind then the changing tone is acceptable. For instance. Try to read third tone + third tone without changing the first one into second tone. You will feel uneasy or even exhausted and it also slow you down. By changing the tone according to the tone rule it sounds smooth and easy. Compare them and see for yourself. Back to the third tone it self. If you pronounce a third tone by itself then you should pronounce the origin tone which is fall then rise but pronounce this in a sentence woudnt make sense as it "again" will exhaust you and sounds weird. So in a middle of a sentence "the falling then rising in the third tone" is vanished and it is just like put them together and pronounce as if flat tone as in the video. But this flat tone will sound lower than the flat tone in first tone. You can try to pronounce it like the original tone but quicker and let lose, I mean dont force yourself to make the falling then rising effect so obvious indeed just let it "smooth" and simplify the tone as low flat tone and it will sounds like the one in this video. Of course you can pronounce the origin third tone in the end of the sentence or at a pause since it won't affect "the flow of your pronounciation".
I saw Xiao Zhan photo I clicked on the video as fast as I can 🤣. I am one of Xiao Zhan’s international fans, from Sweden 🇸🇪. Xiao Zhan forever ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Fantastic fantastic explanation ! Perfect to practice along. I found such clarity only in classes at 北语速成学院 (BLCU intensive college) and nowhere else. Thank you
Wow I was feeling so stupid for not being able to pronounce it the way EVERY book and app explains it... turns out they explain it wrong omg thank you!
😍❤wow cool, i always find it hard to pronounced the third tone. Because i usually confused it with the second tone. Thank you very much, this is very helpful🥰❤❤ 多谢
I don't watch dramas, so the thumbnail reference is lost on me. But, I still immediately subscribed. This video has the clearest and simplest explanation for tones I've ever seen. I'm very interested in your course now. My brain is like an unsorted spreadsheet of Chinese words and sayings. I can't always put it together to form coherent thoughts, and too afraid to use what I know. I want to change that.
My former Chinese professor wrote his Doctoral Dissertation on this phenomenon. Nice video! Thanks for helping all of us Chinese learners out here. I will continue to practice Chinese in videos :)
RU-vid recommended this to me because I've been watching MDZS on Tencent. I'm learning Korean and have Japanese on the back burner but your videos are so nice and I've been enjoying a lot of Chinese media lately so...subscribed and added to the list of languages I'd love to learn one day!
I think that thinking instead of the 3rd tone as dipping down helps to avoid from trying to rise. the sound drops quickly, lower into your throat, and if there is a “rise” it’s only back to the original pitch you started the word with.
