Well it IS revoked if you can prove they were aware of that particular amendment. This is why you may hear some 1st amendment auditors asking, "do you know the five elements of the first amendment" and then they go on to recite them along with the police officer. This is so they cant claim ignorance. Its not like we can, ever....I know its not what youre asking for but its something!
@@Willjrockstar there oath of office should prove that they are required to know civil rights. So, the if you can prove they know it is mute, they should already know it.
Agreed! He is all upset because the public prepared report was released to the public before the Phoenix Police Department had a chance to redact the pages of the report. Yes, hiding public information from the public! Does anymore need to be said?
@@CharlesShannon-wf8tgCONGRESS IS THE PROBLEM. Police unions are regulated by the Fed. Want to end municipal insurance indemnity of officers? CHANGE THE LAW.
How has it changed the way policing is done in the states that have gotten rid of it? Ill tell you, it hasnt changed a damn thing. They still violate people's rights, and rarely held accountable . The taxpayers still foot the bill when they get the department sued
There should be a public investigative " external affairs " investigating all use of force and questionable arrests answering to the federal AG , FBI and judges.
Why do we even need a court system if people are allowed to "investigate themselves"? No need to prosecute me, Mr DA; my friends and family have already conducted an internal investigation and cleared me of any wrongdoing.
@@ianbattles7290 Damn , I would love to se the look on a judges face if everybody made that claim in front of him or her that just throw it out we investigated ourselvs and we're not guilty , cops are lying per the court system allowing it
agreed, but even when the acting chief speaks he says it is just a few out of many who are 'the bad guys'. The reports itself is soft on a dept this corrupt. I really thought indictments and charges would come out from this, what I see is more we have investigated ourselves, and while we suck nothing will really change.
They can be let go in one county and get another hob in another station. They need thier license I think k it is called so they can not just move on to another place.
Police were formed way back for the purpose of keeping minorites in line. But saying that there still is a major problem in the black community, fatherless homes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Union guy should be apologizing rather than trying to sweep the DOJ’s findings. The whole state of AZ is corrupt with regard to law enforcement! This Union guy is just trying to weasel out of their responsibilities. Now, get the corruptness corrected! Get rid of qualified immunity for one.
Union REGULATIONS are the problem. Republicans have blocked ALL police reform for TWO DECADES. The last reform? That's Patriot Act 1 and 2: both need to be repealed.
Because they're scared We have a country of scared cops thinking that everybody's out to get them. When it's not even one of the top 20th, most dangerous jobs🤦♂️
Silent apples are also bad apples. Also think of it like this, which is really worse the priest that molestes children or the Cardinal that knows about it and then reassigns them to some other place to avoid exposure and public scrutiny for it to then happen again elsewhere. Those not physically doing the harm are often as guilty and more guilty than those that are doing it themselves.
Ever see the movie Serpico? Officers trying to hold other officers accountable is dangerous to their health. The bad severely outnumber the good unfortunately.
Never has there been a time where so many police departments have fought so viciously for the right to call themselves the worst departments in America. But this department has worked extremely hard to earn this position. 1st amendment auditors have reported this behavior for many years!!! Training doesn’t stop narcissistic, mentally unstable criminals with badges.
This is what happens when law enforcement agencies are not routinely audited by independent agencies. The DOJ should not be the only objective agency that investigates police misconduct.
@@andykrueger7564 Most notably the prosecutors. QI for example does not extend to criminal conduct. That is the DA and the DA alone who decides not to prosecute criminal conduct.
Oh Please. Everyone knows they've been out of control for decades. Here's an idea.... How about holding them accountable instead of rewarding them for their crimes, rąclsm & corruption? Crazy huh?
I’ll said four years like anyone who goes to college. Most tyrants make about 75k. With only six month of training. I’m a teacher and make less than them with four year of college and still they walk all over our civil rights.
An a/c tec, has to do a couple year. Before getting the job.cops need that too. 6 week of training. To become a cop. A hair styles does 6 months. Do you see , what i'm saying.🪖🇺🇲
@@charlesquintana8540 if you are in a construction union.... it's 5 years with 100% of elements passed to become a journeyman. Cops: 6 months with two years of "probation." It's a joke.
Keep in mind that with the IQ hiring threshold most of the people they hire to be cops couldn't pass the most basic college entrance exam. That means that even if they went through the two year you are suggesting they likely couldn't learn or retain the information. They would also likely wash out before completing it. In theory this is a defect that should be corrected. In practice this is the way those with the power want it.
They have been doing this since the Miranda decision for decades. And they’re not about to stop now no matter what their fake policy says. Be sure to record them at all times. Evidence is the best protection.
The police department is upset because they weren't allowed to edit the report and show the department in a more favorable light, if the "good officers" were doing their jobs correctly they would regin in the bad apple's, if they witnesses and allow bad behavior they are just as much a part of the problem
Not even on the top 20 list of dangerous jobs. The man or woman in the cherry picking bucket on the corner working on the cable line is 100 times more likely to be injured on the job than a police officer
I can't imagine the number of citizens that were victimized by this police department over the course of many years. And it's not only the police department but the judges and the prosecutors that were participants in this culture.
Every police department in the US does this to some extent because our government allows it with qualified immunity. Some are just a lot worse than others. Cities in Arizona, Illinois, New Mexico, Florida, and Virginia are the worst.
They knew. They didn't need this report to tell them what they already knew. I doubt telling people what they already knew is going to have a changing effect on this.
The one recurring theme was that police can't police the police. I'm frightened by the GOP wanting to expand police power to include federal border without systemic change. Most people assume that police don't tell the truth.
No they don't have the toughest job they are people that should never have a gun and badge but the are great at violating rights and raising revenue that's their real job.
Im sure the Phoenix PD is going to accept responsability and make changes to training and hiring. JK. We know nothing will be done and they will make excuses and claim that beating an unarmed homeless person is somehow heroic. ACAB, they prove it everyday.
The response from PPD spokesperson was the correct mix of righteous indignation and pearl clutching. Great performance. We suppose the hundreds upon hundreds of hours of PPD body and dash camera footage FOIA released to local and national news outlets, cop watchers, and police reform activists doesn't suggest the findings by the DoJ were not already well known? That yes, we acknowledge officers of the highest integrity and knowledge who follow the departmental policies, local-state-federal laws, and report their colleagues (sometimes with repercussions) in spite of the prevailing attitudes with coworkers and superiors? Not only PPD but the city and states repeated attempts to criminalize homelessness, to "other" those who are poor and/or homeless to dehumanize them with the attitude "they brought it on themselves" and "they are sub-human". That a simple subscription to any of the many court apps doesn't reveal the millions of dollars the tax base has had to absorb in civil damages? The number of officers and PPD officials who have been investigated internally that ended with no wrongdoing assessments even where strong evidence judged during civil suits indicates otherwise? The number of appeals attempts by the PPD attorneys (again paid for by the tax base) ended with officer qualified immunity being stripped? So please Mr. Outraged spokesperson, spare everyone the performance art.
Yes, the Phoenix Police Department is all upset. Because the DOJ released a public prepared report without the Phoenix Police Department be able to redact the public report before the report was released to the public. At least that what it seems to be too me when the PLEA official was speaking.
Always record government interactions. I have a dash and body cam of my own. That's my indisputable truth telling guardian angel. I buy that new religion. Be human!
It shouldn't take two years to investigate something like this . And if the DOJ was worth it's salt , they would be investigating police more around the country . There are too many cops violating citizens' rights . And the problem is that they are basic rights that every one of them should be taught before they're allowed to police the public . And they keep doing it over and over .
Agree on investigating other departments. As for time, I can see it taking this long because we know they were stonewalled, led down rabbit holes, denied access to information, and had to make sure every t was crossed and i dotted because anything they published and recommended would be held to 1000X more scrutiny than even the most lawless cop.
@@drointhewind480 YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE REAL WORLD WORKS. OPEN YOUR EYES. VOTE BLUE IF YOU WANT THIS TO CHANGE. THE GOP WANTS TO GET RID OF THE DOJ...THINK ABOUT THAT. THE GOP WANTS POLICE TO CONTROL ALL OF US. djt WANTS TO USE MILITARY AS POLICE. THINK OF THAT!
I am so very glad that the public, who pay for EVERYTHING, were shown detailed examples. When is the DOJ going to demand that DAs charge officers for filing a fake police report.
The bald guy throwing a fit cuz the DOJ put the info out, trying to be transparent. He's mad that they weren't able to redact and cover up all the criminal behavior these "brave, heroic " badged thugs commit daily on the taxpayers dime.
We have seen dozens and dozens of videos from Phoenix where people were stopped for some BS reason and 5 cop cars show up minutes into the stop. Those cars showed up because they were going the officer performing the stop was going to escalate the stop into a car search. This is all cops in Phoenix really care about, is searching cars. They don't care about traffic safety, they care about getting promotions, and if you search enough cars, sooner or later you will find one here or there with some drugs, and that is what gets you that promotion. If you have to violate the civil rights of 100 people to do that, they don't really care. If someone gets arrested because the challenged the stop, the cops don't care if they get sued because the leadership wants them to behave the way they behave, and the taxpayers pay the settlements, not the cops.
Most Mayor's are behind everything. They tell the police to get rid of the homeless and they do it anyway they can. They need a place to go and compassionate people helping plan and help these poor people. Remember some of these could be your loved ones. Most people live pay check to pay check and are very close to being homeless too. They need more affordable housing, medical or mental health care and compassion. Less violence aimed at them.
The people in charge for the years before the report should be prosecuted for not doing the job they were employed and the union should be dismantled if you have good cops you shouldn't need the support of a union
@@BK-zp8vl Stop being a wuss, those low paying jobs are the stepping stones to success as proven by millions of poor people that lifted THEMSELVES out of those bad situations. In 1984 interest rates for home loans was 16-18% and minimum wage was $2.35 hr. We got roommates and worked more than one job to better our lives, stop crying and grow up
Any police department that is opposed to anyone with a camera filming them, has a real problem with gaining any kind of trust from the public. If they are afraid of a camera, they need to be in another line of work!
Not true. QI keeps cops from being held liable in civil lawsuits. It does not protect them from criminal charges. The problem there is that cops are hardly ever charged for their crimes, even when they are glaringly obvious and caught on camera. They aren't charged with their crimes because of the Thin Blue Line, which also includes prosecutors that refuse to change them. Yes, QI has got to go so individual cops can be held financially liable for their crimes, but what really needs to happen is for cops to be arrested and charged for their crimes, which again, hardly ever happens. Almost never, when you consider how many crimes cops commit, and how often we see these obvious crimes right on their bodycams, but no one will charge them for those crimes, not their fellow cops, not the DA office.
and he SAID a mouthful about how they feel about us people! we are upset the DOJ released the report to the public OUR employers first before they gave it to the DECISION makers!!!
When studying these findings that are covering present times, one has to think back to the Nap commission & others that had findings as bad. This makes it believable!!
The Union's response is absolutely outrageous! Police Departments in Arizona are acting like it's the wild wild west with no laws or accountability. The Chief and the Union had had 3 years interacting with the DOJ and they're are acting like they have no idea what's in the report! Incompetence!
