In general, I find warranties worthless. They usually do not cover labor or consequential damages and I find it frequently costs more to make a warranty claim than to just fix the problem.
I'd challenge anyone to find me a warranty that isn't full of clauses that allow the manufacturer to drop it for whatever. Worst case they'd send out an adjuster who would find that your hot pex was 1/4" too close to your cold pex for 3" on an 80ft run and say that's why the failure happened. Getting a warranty on a small piece of a huge system is impossible.
Yep. Pex warranties are 99% worthless. Are they going to pay for a $20,000 water damage job? Or buy you a $25 roll of pex? LOL There were class action suits against Uponor and Nibco, but they have both been settled.
Im ripping uphonor out that's less than six years old with cracks all around where it was expanded. Stuff is trash. I crimp b now with copper rings and stainless fittings... stuff will last until i retire.
Merflex Pex C is F1960 approved Zurn Pex B is F1960 approved Silverline Sil-O-Pex Pex B is F1960 approved All 3 perform way better during freezing conditions than Pex A as it expands to the point of rupturing while the first 3 have barely started to expand....
Trying to get Uponor to honor their warranty is an act of congress even when it is proven their pipe failed. My father n law got 2 houses flooded where Uponor failed nowhere near fittings ( and that is the pipe even being stored properly before installation) and it took forever for Uponor to own up to it. That is why it does not go into my jobs
I have only seen, in person, the A used on a few of the higher ends jobs and the fittings worry me. I don't trust the memory of plastic, over metal to crimp the connection. It's interesting that your failure was inline. Can you tell us more about where/why it failed? On a bend? Any blemishes pre failure? Thanks
@@aldoogie824 Not sure on the detail all I know that the pipe split in the middle no where near fittings. But I have also read that is the reason why you cannot purchase A in colored pipe only white pipe with the colored writing. Type pex pipe class action lawsuit and it will tell you more.
I no longer believe in "system warranties" in construction.... EVERY time I've had a failure, the manufacturer blames the contractor and the contractor blames the manufacturer or the middle man who "improperly stored" the product, etc. etc. etc. It's a sad state of affairs, but true.
You failed to mentioned one of the main differences between A and B. You have yo up size B due to the fact that the fittings restrict the flow. Major consideration when sizing a system.
I too have used both types of piping for repairs, remodels, and new construction. I remain a user of Uponor BUT, I have a story about their 25 year warranty. In my own home which contains almost two MILES (I built way too large of a home) of radiant Hepex in joist staple up, and under concrete scenarios, I had a failure in the piping after ten years. I'm not talking about drinking water piping, but the cross linked oxygen barrier piping for space heating. Uponor took the piece of piping (about 18" long) and after dragging their feet for over a month they finally responded. They said I must have installed it too close to a heat source causing it to fail. The only heat source was the piping itself that was heating the space. This was in a heated garage, in the ceiling, with blown-in insulation to keep the heat rising to the floor above. I documented the piping before removal, after removal, and the surrounding space of ruined drywall showing the fluorescent lighting a minimum of ten feet away. I had to go thru my wholesaler, who contacted the rep, who contacted the factory. After repeated attempts to show them no fault of mine existed in the install, they stood by their denial of responsibility. I then asked for my property to be returned, for outside testing. And they had 'lost' it. Don't think I wasn't very pissed off. I had massive drywall repairs and mold started to grow as I waited for insurance permission to begin repairs. Turns out my insurance premium was very high on a $1M+ home so I had selected a $5K deductible plan to help on premiums. Screwed myself on that one. I still use their products but with a bitter taste in my mouth. I run a 20 plumber operation and this is my first Uponor failure. And it was on my own home!
Out of sheer principle I would never install a single Uponor product again. Their company doesn't stand by their products so by using them you are not only putting your customers at jeopardy but financially rewarding a garbage company with shady practices ("losing" the proof their product failed). I'd save the receipts and once a year send them a copy of all the money they lost due to their failure. I'm angry for you. You literally had every amount of proof imaginable and they still refused to cover it. You have far more weight behind your decision with 20 plumbers, but as a homeowner who eventually plans to upgrade to PEX from CPVC your comment alone makes me steer clear of Uponor altogether. Hell if you have proof of the piece you sent them I'd contact an attorney. It will probably cost more in the long run, but again principle holding these companies accountable.
This is a nicely done, well written description of an appalling experience. It sounds like one that is tailor made for one of those consumer advocate reports done by television stations. I say that because I have been following the financial woes of a travel agency that have prompted some 800 complaints to the Massachusetts attorney general. In at least a few cases people who have been able to get their trip deposits refunded when they went to a consumer advocate. My sense is that big companies will ignore complaints like yours until they face public exposure of the issue - and then they pay up so as to give the impression, however false, that they honor warranties. If Uponor won’t honor a warranty for someone like you, who WILL they treat properly? I am no professional but have done lots of plumbing, and have been toying with the idea of replacing the more than 30-year-old soldered copper in my vacation home. Not a drip of a failure in that time, except the bad freeze that broke the lines in 11 places 20 years ago when the basement, now insulated and heated, was exposed. Fixed ‘em all myself, and not a leak since then. Maybe I will leave it as is.
Every type of extruded plastic pipe has experienced a bad batch that splits longitudinally. Pipe companies have been bankrupted by warranty claims for that. Occasionally the bad batch was huge. Usually the weak seam lasts several years then come the random breaks & leaks, seldom is the failure immediate. It's a known risk of using anybody's plastic pipe. Warranty service is a real issue. I did an underground job, 1.5 miles off pipe, that experienced seam leaks starting maybe 8 years after initial pressurization and continuing. Pipe co was out of business thru mergers. Only recourse was insurance.
Guys they investigated themselves and found absolutely no fault of their own. Losing the pipe, however, was very telling. If they lost it, then there is absolutely no way they could deny you warranty because that is basically destroying the evidence. If you can't find it, you have to pay up. As long as you had the documentation that they did receive the failed product (tracked shipping), they either have to prove why they were not at fault, or accept fault. If they lost what you sent them, then their investigation means nothing because there is no longer a means to verify the results of their findings. Just as they wouldn't take your word about their products failure without testing the failed product themselves, you shouldn't have accepted the results of their investigation without that same failed product that is tied to their claim denial. Who's to say they aren't denying your claim based on an investigation of someone else's failed product? Losing it automatically nullifies everything they can possibly deny your claim for, this wouldn't be difficult to stand your ground on, as long as you are willing to fight them. Which absolutely is impossible with other parties doing the communication for you.
This sounds like it is just waiting for a challenge to the Magnuson-Moss warranty act. If the mfg can’t prove the failure was caused by the fittings they are on the hook for the full warranty.
As a professional (carpenter) I fully agree with this. As a DIYer (my own plumbing bought through big box stores) I feel attacked. I'm limited to the pex, fittings, crimp rings, crimp tool, and gauge offered in stores. So far I haven't flooded my house and have had better results than when I tried burning my house down sweating copper. But then again I am getting what I didn't pay for by doing it myself. And they sell flex seal!
Matt, Have you put out any info on the failing Uponor blue and red Pex? I see that is what was used throughout your house. Sample shown here is the only now available clear. Multiple homes are being repiped due to failures. You should be providing info on these failing products you have been pushing.
Question here: The whole warranty talk is likely a warranty on the materials, right? Not a warranty of your home's plumbing where they'd pay a contractor to come re-plumb your house? IF that's correct, then the "warranty" is all but useless. Pex costs roughly 35 cents a foot. It costs nothing. Virtually ALL the cost is in labor. So who cares if the warranty is a day, a decade, or a million years? It's likely not even worth filling out when you can go to HD and buy a 100 foot roll of PexA for 35 bucks. I had a plumber come out and quote me 10k to re-plumb my house. I replumbed it with Pex-A for under $500 in materials (the Milwaukee fuel tool was an additonal $550 on sale, but resold it for a tiny loss after the job). So roughly 95% of the cost is labor. Unless labor is covered then the warranty is not worth talking about.
Matt, love your videos. I know pex a is extremely popular, due to its many properties & expansion fittings. However I have seen many failures of the pipe watching utube videos & even some comments from your watchers. Utuber Joe Ludlow is a plumber/ repiper & worth watching regarding pex. Apparently Zurn pex b is f1960 rated with expansion fittings. I compared the fittings of pex a Uppnor vereses Zurn pex b & the Zurn appears to be a heavier fitting with a minimal reduction of i.d. . I purchased the Zurn expansion heads for my dewalt expansion tool & it appears to spread the expansion area better. As an excellent builder, I would love to see you research & address expansion pex b as an alternative. " let's get going"
I too have used Pex B with expansion fittings and have experienced no problems to date. It was only after the Zurn rep approached me and explained that Zurn was rated for expansion. I have used other Pex B recently to see if it was compatible and it seems to be so. To note I used it on my own personal projects, I wouldn't do so on a project for a client/customer just for the liability risk. Licensed Plumbing Contractor for 32 years.
Not sure I totally agree with the comment that suggests that fittings made in China are of bad quality. Please, realize, if US manufacturers sub out manufacturing of their fittings, they have their own managers, quality control personnel, as well as overall oversight of the manufacturing process under full control. China only provides less expensive labor. That is the case many products we use every day. Good example would be iPhone. Thank you
Happy Birthday Matt, all the cool kids are 50(like myself lol) As a DIY guy that likes to do the very best job at everything I can, I look to your videos. They are very educational, and all the attention to details help quite a bit with jobs I may not have felt comfortable with before. Thanks again
I have been using pex b for many years, only brass fittings. All faucets have such small water ways the cross sectional restriction is negligible. That being said, if I do a large house, I just use 1" trunks. As a service plumber I only do rehabs and recipes on old houses. Sometimes the areas I have to make connections in is ridiculously tight and the expansion tools would not fit or getting the fitting together would be very difficult if not impossible.
That's the best way to do it, I always run a 1" feed to the water heater, has to be a really high fixture count for me to run 1" trunks on my Hot.... You brought up re-pipes, I promise you that you'll never hear anyone bragging about re-piping a house with ProPex because the whole expansion method is much slower and requires way more room to work with it....
The plumbers claiming restriction have bought into the uponor marketing materials hook line and sinker. The small area of restriction is negligible provided you have a small number of fittings. The bigger issue with pex is the diameter being smaller which is why you should size up in certain scenarios. The expansion fittings are actually easier in a tight space because you can expand the pipe out of place and then place the fittings in where you are installing with no tools whatsoever. The brass or poly fittings with crimps or clamps are proven and for install speed and efficiency nothing beats pexpress, the expansion tool is MUCH slower.
@@shaunbava1801 expansion fittings take up twice as much room as the standard insert fittings... My biggest issue with F1960 is that the pipe is being thinned similar to flaring and/or swedging copper; where the pex leaves the fitting will be prone for problems as the pipe is thinner and it's in constant constriction
Umm, you do realize that Zurn Pex B uses cold expansion fittings just like Uponor Pex A. Also, the expander tool for Zurn Pex B uses an expansion head design that puts much less stress on the Pex pipe when expanding it out. However, if you really want to, you can use the Uponor Pex A expander tool on Zurn Pex B pipe as well.
We’ve used Zurn backflow valves & pressure regulators exclusively over the years, never had an issue. When our local rep showed up w/Zurn expansion Pex, I thought it was a joke. It’s still as stiff as all PexB. The biggest advantage of PexA isn’t the ease of fittings, it’s the kink-free flexibility allowing us to eliminate in-line fittings until the circuit termination at a valve. Then there’s the issue of the Zurn Pex class action settlement due to defective fittings. We’ve used Uponor expansion fittings on last 11 builds, never had an issue. We of course never used the coloured Uponor, which had issues. We also use Rehau oxygen barrier in our hydronic systems, also never had an issue. If I agreed to switch to Zurn Pex, they were offering me a very generous discount, I think I’d have my plumbers walking off job 🤣. The added labor costs alone of dealing with that stiff plastic feeding through stud bays is not worth the material cost savings, let alone the requirement of elbow fittings at most turns leading to more labor and material costs as well as in-wall failure point potential. Zurn Pex is a very hard no for us.
This is factually incorrect pex-b expansion exists and has for a while. Also while manufacturers take this stance on the warranty legally it is questionable, unless the fitting somehow contributed to the failure they are on shaky ground so long as the fittings comply with the approved ASTM standard F1960,F1807,F2159 for the pipe they really shouldn't be able to condition the warranty on this as it likely violates the Magnuson-Moss act. Pex b is stronger and more chlorine resistant. I have viega pex in my home that has been there for 15 years some of it exposed in my garage and it's good. Uponor has definitely been having issues with their pipe where is is defective and under some circumstance is degrading and failing, in my mind the Viega pipe is more uv tolerant. The issue of flow is overblown provided you minimize the fittings the restrictions in a few places on a long run of pex will not materially reduce flow. I like the tried and true copper ring brass fittings and view Viega's system as an improvement on that in that it speeds installation and prevents mistakes from being made while essentially improving upon it by using a stainless ring. I like to think that none of these fittings will cause a problem and you should use the fitting and tool that best fits the particular space which means you could have F1960 and F1807 fittings with a pexpress ring on the same tubing.
I wonder how often people make warranty claims on PEX. I guess it could come in handle if your whole PEX install is done with faulty pipe. If you have one fitting fail, doing a claim on a $5 fitting seems like a pain. I haven't read through the warranties but I'm guessing they don't pay for damage, is that correct?
I'll tell you my thought process: f*** pipe broke, where's the valve, alright let's dry this out, time to go to home depot... it's not let me call up a random company and argue with them over the phone and then try to send proof and wait around for weeks
I thought you both would talk about the different types of pex *within* A & B, because there are definitely different sub-classes. Even beyond this, there are situations where even if you don't have expansion fittings, the qualities of Pex A may be preferred to Pex B since A can be both expanded or crimped.
My plumber said to never use sharkbite on buried pex (underground buried). He says they corrode in 3-4 years and fail. I’m guessing the acidic soil here in GA eats through the brass in the sharkbite fittings. Above ground? Good to go!
I'd like to see some actual price comparisons. There is a similar sort of issue in the laser printer industry, where "genuine HP" toner (dry ink) can cost roughly 4x the cost of third-party toner.
Just use copper and solder it will out last that plastic many yrs i have copper in my house that is over 60 yrs old no leaks will that plastic last that long doubt it
I've for about a year or so using expanding pex for all my jobs but I'm not sure if it was taken care of yet but over some time ago there was a lawsuit regarding the colors of the expanding PEX due to the warranty issues so I've been using more of the white pex for everything because of the blue and red having issues is that still in play
Everything you aid is very true!!!! Biggest problem is manufactures treat the consumer the same way as HP first you had to use their cartridges because of "quality" but they want $60 for a $10 cartridge!!! Greed is ALWAYS part of the puzzle. Not HP makes printers that have a code that do not allow the machine to operate with other cartridges AND it emails HP that the warranty has just been voided!!! All the while HP makes the WORST cartridges for their printer of any manufacture. Manufactures that force the use of their fittings for profits first NOT quality so be careful. When you build high end with unlimited budgets you loose site of the real world often. When a PEX or other fitting costs 6 to 10 times what others and it is because of the "Warranty system" read the fine print. The consumer wants the system to replace everything damaged if the system fails. What does the warranty cover..... The parts and replacement of the parts. Only on rare occasion does the warranty repair ALL damage from a failed fitting so the warranty is really just a smoke screen to a false reality.
I bought a house built about 22 years ago, plumbed entirely in Uponor PEX A. Every fitting is crimped, and every fitting is starting to leak. I worry about the places I can't see...
Matt, I think you missed a LOT of other technicals between type A and type B that important to consider such as psi and burst ratings, chemical resistance, and flexibility/kink issues.
I agree, and no mention of flow rates. Upnor has a much higher flow rate than Pex. Something like 30 % to 40% because the fittings have smaller I.D. compared to the main line causing restriction.
A buddy of mine had Viega failure in his 2014 built house. Started getting pinholes in his hot water supply lines. 2 last year, then 6 more this year. Random Places around the house. All on the hot water lines. After a few months of back and forth, Viega agreed to pay for a re-pipe.
I believe you missed the biggest issue with PEX A and PEX B, restriction of flow with PEX B. Correct me if I’m wrong but PEX A expands the pipe so the fitting doesn’t reduce the size of the pipe like PEX B does. This was a major miss in this presentation.
Yo, Matt, i love your videos but you have to get the terminology down better in the plumbing vids bro Pex A is expansion pex. But pex b is not "insertion type." All pex fittings are inserted into the pipe and thus all insertion type. Unlike metal system where the pipe goes into the fitting instead of the fittings into the pipe. (Obviously not talking about push to fit connections like sharkbite.) You should instead say expansion or crimp pex. You can't say type B is crimp, because Zurn makes type b expansion pex. They also have a type B with oxygen barrier. Your knowledge base is severely outdated and this terminology can confuse people. For example, you note that type a Uponor has barbs on the fitting. Well, so do the crimp ones, except they are less pronounced. I've also seen a brand of pex a expansion that had a different inner diameter than Uponor and Zurn, and crimp couldn't be used on it, while both Uponor and Zurn expansion pexes can be installed with a crimp ring & fitting. If for some strange reason you wanted to remove the benefits of expansion pex over crimp pex reducing volume flow unless upsized. Also note, that i believe Uponor just said Zurn fittings used with their pipe retains the full 25 year limited warranty. Crimp still does not because Uponor knows the problem of poor install of crimp rings leading to pipe failure. Usually due to the ring cutting the pipe.
Same here Matt, Happy 50th Birthday also. I will be hitting that monument in April of 2023. As a small contractor in Houston area, I've been able to implement the content like this one on your channel to many time to count.👊Thanks and keep more coming!
The whole Pex a and pex B Terminology needs to be changed. There are companies that have expandable pex B and this guy specifically said you can’t expand pex b. all this does is confuse people.
I looked at a house being built (framing stage) about 1/4 mile from ocean. I was bidding on plumbing a mansion about 2 lots away and wanted to see what locals were using. (Laguna Beach, Ca.) Any and all metals exposed to the air, including the crimp rings were beginning to show rust. Yikes! I like Uponor plastic expansion ring systems. All plastic, keep it away from radiant heat and sunlight. I've installed 100's of miles of this. I have a pool house out back of my house and in 2018 I purposely ran about 10 feet of hot & cold Uponor Pex that gets about 5-6 hours of direct SoCalif sunlight a day. About 2 weeks ago I checked on it by pushing it around, hitting it with a grade stake & such...seems fine. Eventually I'll replace it with copper, just wanted to experiment cuz I can. Thanks!
In 15 to 20 years from now who's actually gonna call the manufacturer and try and get them to warranty a $5 fitting. Ultimately when we're there to do a repair we fix it and get out of there
Some houses in my neighborhood built in the early 2000s were piped with PEX-C and have chronic leaks and many had to have a whole house re-pipe. After finding out about it I checked and luckily our house was pipe with PEX-A.
@@Sylvan_dB I have a copy of the plat for the subdivision which was approved in 2000. My house was built in 2004. From what I understand there was a lawsuit and it ended up being part of a class action suit. I think there are a few homes that have had issues later on and the owner missed out on the lawsuit settlement period.
I have bout and rehabbed a ton of frozen houses, I have seen Pex A rupture in freeze situations in at least 3 of the house I have done, I have never seen PEX C or PEX B rupture, Im a big fan of Nibco PEX C, its not as flexible as A, but it is a lot tougher, especially in a repipe situation, where abrasion can be a factor through plaster, or other materials, that can easily damage the much softer PEX A
Matt, happy birthday, is there a video on what is the best choice for a homeowner to use for underground cold water to faucets around one's property from the meter. Pex (A or B), hdpe poly pipe, pvc. Looking for a advantages and disadvantages of each and associated ballpark cost?
Now CNN don't do miss lead the people. The pipe meets certain specs and is written on the side of the pipe F1060 is Expanding system, F1807 is the copper crimp F 2195 I believe is another Expanding style, and the viega style is another Uponor has the F1807 rating on the pipe the only way to get the rating is by testing for it. Uponor and Viega try this scare tactic and when the lawyers get involved they cover it. Reahu is a type a meets all the certs and doesn't lie about the warranty. These factories want to sell the pipe at low margins and screw you on the fittings. That's why Viega has their own type of crimp system. Zurn pex also is a type B that a few years ago got the f1969 certification on its pipe.
I’m sooooo happy in Canada we have The Canadian Standards Association!! Just look up the CSA number and see if it jives with the other systems. That’s what I was taught in trade school. You’re not going to get literally anywhere demanding anything from your supplier. You get what the distributor can get its hands on.
Is manufacture warranty really all that important on pipe? What will fail after 5 years that didn't fail after 2 from a manufacturer's responsibility standpoint? Has anyone actually had to use a manufacturer warranty on a pipe system 20 years after install? I would bet that has never happened. Not to mention how difficult it would be to actually get a manufacturer to warranty their product after that much time under perfect conditions of an actual, provable manufacturing defect. Warranties mean very little in my opinion. Only under a very tight set of circumstances can one actually get a manufacturer to warranty an issue.
I'm not a plumber, but have done a LOT of plumbing in the last 30 years that involved maintenance or building engineering along with maintaining 3 houses. In my area at the box stores I don't see the same fitting or crimp rings.(it may be that I'm not going to an actual plumbing supply) I never use plastic elbows, couplers or "t's". they are a bronze color or material.(and I buy contractor packs usually 10-25 pieces) The crimp rings I see and use are also different. they are black oxidized or copper crimp rings. Not sure on this but the crimp tool may be different as well. I also echo that I would just fix any problem as the big companies have way more money to prove fault on my part or find some loophole. And... It's just quicker to get it done than wait on a bunch of suit and ties to make a decision. thanks for the video and the warranty FPN/fine print note. 25 yrs, 10yrs or 1yr.
Hey Matt, didn't you plumb your new house (in 2020) with the Uponor that got recalled? The Red and Blue stuff? Since you fully documented the construction of that house, how do you think this impacts the value of your home at this point?
@@atodaso1668 Says who? It’s been around for over 40 years, under the old Wirsbo branding, in Europe. It’s been the top selling plumbing tubing in EU for most of that time and it’s extraordinarily reliable. The only issue known for Uponor was several years ago they added a dye in manufacturing to create blue & red tubing. My understanding is this was done only for NA market as specific request by their distribution team. The dye compromised the molecular stability and there were failures in pipes used in high Cl content water systems. We personally never used nor saw the coloured Uponor, my local supplier always had the original opaque version and my plumbers never demanded the coloured version. Why would any builder, plumber or distributor want to stock multiple colors of same pipe unless required? Made no sense. Regardless, we’ve used a lot of Uponor, as well as Rehau oxy-barrier fwiw, never had an issue. Great stuff 👍
Sioux Chief makes a pex-b pipe that is both F1807 and F1960 certified and warrantied. Not all companies specify that the pipe & fitting warranty are different depending on manufacturer. Some are strictly rating-based warranty based on what type certified fitting you use. Sioux Chief specifically warranties their pipe & fitting for 25 years regardless if you use their fittings/pipe or not.
Warranties are symbolic for most installers. No homeowner will want their failed piping to be replaced with the new improved version of the failed piping that came out, Warranties don't cover labor costs. Homeowner will simply have it redone another way and their insurance will pay for it.
Sioux Chief also provides a 25 year warranty on any product of theirs with any combinations of pipe/fitting. Using another companies fitting/pipe with a Sioux Chief product does not change the warranty. Their warranty is certification focused, not brand focused.
Looks good, but whats the price and availability? Even if its better, i dont think any home owner will notice a difference and i already have the M18 expansion tool.
The thing about rehau the fittings are very expensive and takes much longer to install, for the price of rehau I’d go back to installing copper before I’d mess with rehau but that just my Opinion .
FYI: There are a few brands that do manufacture PEX B that's rated for expansion. PEX B is also less susceptible to bursting and degradation from chemicals/minerals in the water (like chlorine). I've seen videos of PEX A failures due to the chlorine/chloramine.
i have used Uponor pipe with crimp fittings for 28 years on about 7 million ft of pipe, not a single crimp failure. Some fittings have failed, but not at the crimp connection.
I love Matt's videos and have always trusted the information I've received here but I'm concerned why the Uponor class action lawsuit on their blue and red pipes wasn't mentioned in this video.
This PEX piping has a 25 year warranty... which on the surface seems great, ... problem is 25 years in regard to a home's life is terribly insufficient. A home can be a hundred or more years old and passed down to family members or sold numerous times in the course of its life. No one wants to have to re-pipe an entire house due to the PEX failing or reaching its expiration date during the course of the homeowner living there. At this rate a person buys a home at 30 years of age, has to have the whole home redone at 55... A MASSIVE EXPENSE!!!!!! Metal pipes, even the old fashion black iron pipes can last for ONE HUNDRED YEARS or more with no problem and only minimum maintenance. No expiration date on iron: Black or Cast, as we see in near two hundred-year-old Brownstones, those pipes are still very much intact and doing their job.
Matt i'd really love to see a video on Zurns expandable Pex-B. People have always thought of A = expandable, B = crimp/clamp, but some of these new products appear to further conflate common understanding of these products. How can a B pipe be expanded if it doesn't have memory? Are these expandable B systems the best of both worlds as I've read B pipe is more durable and leeches less?
Silverline Sil-O-Pex is also F1960 cold expansion rated As is Mercury Plastic's Merflex Pex C The Merflex is tough to beat, they also make the grey pex toilet and faucet supply lines..
Let us not forget a very important fact. If replacing copper with PEX B, you should use a size up as the internal diameter is smaller and any connection reduces the flow even more. PEX A stays true to size.
So, one issue with PEX fittings in general is they restrict flow. For example, with 1/2" PEX tubing, the flow rate gets reduced once you add a 1/2" fitting. The fitting inside diameter is more like 1/4 "- 3/8", so the fittings you have on a run, the more the flow rate is compromised. Any thoughts on this?
Question I was given a 3/4 inch adapter and 3/4 inch pipe do you adapter will not fit into the pipe the inside of the pipe is clearly different dimensions how to resolve this issue what size PEX should I use will 1 inch PEX fit into 3/4 inch copper adapter
Will not use uponer,. Don't like the expanding idea. I still use crimp rings and always will . Have many plumbing buddy's having the expanding kind come apart. It can't be trusted.
Sure is good info about the warranties! Thanks. What about if a sharkbite fitting is used? Is there any warranty, the same as if using unlabeled but ordinary fittings?
I had an uponor joint explode on me today.... scary.. does anyone think I should reconsider my investment? I could really use some advice or replacement ideas.
i've watched videos where they literally pull pex A apart at the ends and the pipe stretches and snaps while the joint never budges! weird how a joint would explode. Was it frozen or some other high pressure situation?
I think the pipe did not retain it's material properties since the main line I had feeding the t was in service for a short time before hand although that should not have been as impactful as it seems to have been. I may just use all copper since I can trust that more. Ultimately, I am recommending that a device like a Moen Flo be installed to prevent a catastrophe. I'm sending the failure to uponor. I may at some point attempt to recreate the failure by using the same section of pipe. This again should not have happened and I was told on the phone by a uponor rep that this mode of failure should not have happened and at worse would have been a leaky joint. We shall see.. I am also considering contacting the city water provider to obtain reports on various chemical levels in the water although I think they are on point with what this product should be used for. Nonetheless, if a repair ever need to be done, the issue would still have happened.
I bench and do dumbbell presses soooooo my Pex are big 🤣🤭🤭🙃🤣🤣🤣🙃🤭🤣🙃🤭🙃🤣👍🙃🤭 BTW here is a Matt Risinger Quote, “over the years I’ve put more pex in than anybody” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm a member of our local fire co. We had a furnace moved by company A and a guy from company B told us that the wrong PEX was used. What is the difference between?
I sorta know this one as it was mentioned in some podcast I just heard. Apparently there is a "barrier" pex and a non barrier one. Something about the non barrier one can allow enough oxygen to pass across it that it builds up in the lines over time, leading to a corrosion of all kinds of circulation pumps in the water heater. At least that's what I gleaned. I would like to know how you tell the difference with the barrier though. Long days and pleasant nights ✌🏾
Redoing everything in Sioux Chief PEX-A as we speak. Make sure the expansion head rotates half(ish) a petal angle each time for good expansion, make sure to insert the fitting all the way to the stop nubs, and don't give it full pressure for a few hours before the plastic relaxes back to seal fully. But yeah, easiest thing in the world. It's just drinking straws and rubber bands.
@@frederf3227 No experience here, and needing to do my entire house. Can you explain tome what you mean by "expansion head rotates half(ish) a peta angle"? I'm pretty ignorant about the lingo. What specifically is the "expansion head"? Is that just whatever end of the tubing you decide to expand? Also, what do you mean by "petal" and "petal angle"? I"m totally clueless on that one.
25 year warranty? The copper pipes in my 40 year old house will likely last another 60 years without issue. I’ll be dead but whoever owns it will be very happy.
@MattRisinger What about all of the different lawsuits against these products, crimp rings failing, chlorine or chloramine damage, this stuff is not the end all to be all and that should be talked about
When I do plumbing on a remodel, I only use copper (sweat)...I don't trust ANY of those fittings, Press, Pex ...The warranties are far too short...I warranty my work till I die...30 years, never had a call back...My plumbing subs ( bigger jobs) use nothing but that junk...Guess who gets the call if something happens...
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If you're talking warranty, Who cares. All a warranty would even cover would be a few feet of pipe and maybe a couple fittings.... Not the 50K in damage that could result from one failure.... Lmao.
If a plumber shows up at your house with pex, send them packing. Unless they are installing 1" in place of 3/4, and 3/4, in place of 1/2" - why? Because if you look at the actual opening compared to copper of all of the fittings, you're creating choke points at every fitting. This could cause pressure and volume concerns. . . Personal experience with a $90k bathroom addition with only a 20' run from water heater. Anyone who says anything otherwise, is wrong. Including disrespectful, paid for mouth piece Matty.
Ok, do you want to REALLY get confused and also confuse your viewers? Now, ZURN, in their NOT so infinite wisdom, has an "Expansion" Pex pipe.... and guess what they decided to call it.... "PEX B expansion".... so now you're going to have people out there getting confused as to which PEX B piping they can use with Uponor Style Expansion fittings!!! For the life of me I don't know why Zurn Didn't just use the Industry Pex A standard, OR just rename their Expansion Pipe something entirely different!
