What TF is EJ smoking? I'm no Lewis fan and have been a supporter of Max but in this instance Max was at fault.. No chance was he stopping and Lewis held his line and evens topped turning in as far as he wanted when he seen Max flying up..
He would normally be able to stop ws he did in the previous lap... the stewards looked at the braking of the previous laps. But on this occasion cause lewis is changing direction max goes on the dirty side if the track where it's less traction. Hence why he locked both wheels. When both wheels are locked you can't turn right or left
@@cupoftea9586 I’m sorry, but a three time world champ should have took this into consideration, in the previous lap or laps he was not so fast or on the dirty line into the corner. Bad judgment indeed, but Max ALWAYS blames the other drivers & as you say normally he’d be able to stop but which suggests on That occasion he wasn’t driving normally 😔
Who said he locked up after? Whe locked up braking, the discussion was Lewis hitting him on the back, so Max way in front of him. Racing incident, nothing else.
@@HB-mj2jzof course crystappen fangirls will say racing incident when it’s Max’s fault 😂 It’s always a racing incident when crystappen is villain right
Max’s move was the ‘dive bomb’ he’s been so critical of others doing to him. But, for me it’s a racing incident, since both cars were able to continue. What it reveals though is as the gap between the RB and other cars diminishes, or disappears, Max’s moves are having to become increasingly desperate to maintain or gain positions. The luxury he’s had in recent seasons of a dominant car is drawing to a close, and his ability and mental strength is being tested like never before. And frankly, the cracks are appearing.
Max and Lewis are opposites of a magnet, for some reason they always happen to find each other. We saw it in Brazil 2022 and we saw it in Hungary. The main problem in Hungary were the stewards at the beginning of the race when they decided that Norris didn't need to give the space back even if he drove Max of the track. What was Max response, 'So, it is okay to drive others off the track as long you are ahead? Good to know', similar to Norris dive bombing Verstappen in Austria. Max is a quick thinker and uses everything to his disposal to win. Hamilton is very similar in that regard and that is why I love to see them both race...
And in Brazil, we saw him admit, for once, his true intentions... Use that as the blueprint for future overtaking attempts that Max makes, in context. One thing I will give him, he makes it really hard to overtake when he's in front (compared to Lewis), but often this is completed unfairly (and then denied by him, as opposed to Lewis who often accepts fault).
Max has been forcing other drivers off the track since he joined Red Bull, it's not something new. It's the sim racer in him where the (lack of) penalties mean you can just expect the drivers who don't want to die or crash out of the race to just give him the space his (torpedo moves) over commits need. Difference with lewis he's had enough of it and calling him on his dangerous moves by not just backing out of the danger every time.
EJ is totally wrong on the Max - Lewis contact. He had no way of completing the move inside of the track and arrived at the contact out of control (massive overspeed and unable to turn the car into the corner). Lewis was in control of his car and left room while trying to take the corner. Where the hit to the cars happened is irrelevant because Max's overspeed put him in front when the contact occurred but he was out of control when behind Lewis.
EJ is definitely a Max fan as he can do no wrong. Max did his usual big careless impatient dive down the inside and locked up. That's one thing Max does badly is diving down the inside.
It’s a double edge sword, Max had locked his brakes and we don’t know whether he made the corner or not? But Lewis didn’t try to avoid the accident either. I think overall I’d rather see this type of racing than it becoming so sterile we might as well all be living in Switzerland. I know that last bit of humour, I noticed that like me, David and Eddie didn’t move to Switzerland.
I don’t like Lewis he’s an utter knob but Lewis has to turn at some point 🤦🏻♂️ I gave this same example in max’s favour against Lewis, I can’t remember exactly which incident it was I believe it was silverstone, max crashed turning into a corner lewis made no attempt to make, at some point you expect the driver to actually attempt to make the turn, it’s also funny how he yapped about lando dive bombing in Austria I think it was but when he does it it’s fine 😂
What a great discussion, thank you! There are many F1 channels on YT, but so many of those are full of "emotional reactions" and "speculative thoughts" (I'm choosing my words carefully here), that said channels become unbearable to watch. You 2 gentlemen are a breath of fresh air!
As in 'more often than not'. Eddie has made money, lots of it and he likes us to know, he likes the sound of his own voice. I do 'dip in' to this podcast now and again for a laugh and to just see how further deranged the guy has become, he's hilarious but at the same time embarrassing.
I made a joke when everyone seen Daniel, Christian and Laurent having a chat after Spa. I said plot twist Perez is staying and Ricciardo is replacing Max because he’s going to Mercedes. 😂
It was, but Lewis should have taken *some* avoiding action. Max made a rare mistake and Lewis did a rare mistake (after all it was Lewis driving into Max, not the other way around), that's why it was decided to be a racing incident. Let's move on.
You’ll see Max at Mercedes when he leaves his father at home. I’ve been a competitor for a long time, and what is true in everything I have competed in, when their parents are there, they are the most unsportsmanlike that is possible, and most of the parents are worse!
Its good to hear two Britisch guys talking about Max without the normal bs coming from Britisch so called race fans who think they know it all, with there chauvinistic opinions.
People love to bring up senna saying if you don't go for the gap your no longer a racing driver Hamilton loves to bring it up theres gonna be crashes in high level competition its good .
Verstapen is dating Nelson' piquet daughter and he didn't really like Senna, Senna wasn't really liked by other drivers but they didn't have a choice to respect him because they were watching the ultimate driver ever.
Yep, once you commit to a move, you are pretty much all in... but the tiniest error of judgement by either party will often result in a collision. Easy for us to bash people on hindsight sitting in the armchair watching on tv in slow mo, but if you never go for a move that has a favourable chance of completion without a collision, you are not trying hard enough.
@@TheTororist Unfortunately for you, he said it after Spa last year.. From GrandPrix 247 "Mercedes’ seven-time world champion finished fourth but was demoted to seventh after stewards ruled he had caused the collision during the race at Spa-Francorchamps “As Ayrton said, if you no longer go for a gap that exists, then you are no longer a racing driver,” Hamilton told reporters. “That is what I did. And when I watched it back it feels like a racing incident to me.”
That’s true. But I think ye will be a B actor!! He wil never be a Morgan Freeman, Al Pacino, Denzel Washington ore Robert De Niro. The best thing for him is to walk on a catwalk. There are always people who like to see that kind of shows.
@@allanhughes7859 Do you think a man like LH is concerned about everyone option. If you go through life trying to please the everyday man, your an idiot. I employ 120 people, do you think I run a business trying to make everyone like me. I do my best to be friendly but its not everyone thats going to sit around the same table with me. LH is prepared for hate because he knows, if his heritage was different and still the amount of success he now has, he would have a statue LOL of himself in London gifted. The mans done it ! His family is all he wants to impress, not keyboard critics like you and I.
"Whether he was going to make the corner or not, we dont know" Having a laugh, he wasn't in control of his car when contact was made. How is that not a penalty?
Formula 1 is a tough sport to win in, period. So many things a team must get right weekend after weekend. That’s what makes it a beautiful sport. Max’s personality is hard on everyone but his driving is superb. Lewis isn’t ready to surrender to anyone, especially Max. Let the drives continue!
I think Eddie is losing his marbles. If Lewis was one of EJ’s drivers and Max did that to a driver of EJ, his tone would be VERY different. Does EJ expect Lewis to roll out the red carpet? Does he believe a divebomb where the driver locks up and hits another driver mean they are blameless because they were a fraction ahead at some point? You can tell EJ wasn’t a great driver, not one with particularly great racing logic anyway.
For me typical . Go in too hot, mess up the other drivers corner then go right off the racing line to get around the corner. Both of you have raced cars! Is that the quickest way around a corner or best way to mess up the other driver.
Looking at the footage of the Hungarian GP, the incident with Max and Lewis on slow motion viewing shows Max locked up before he had reached lewis so if we assume Lewis wasn't there then i doubt Max would have been able to make the turn anyway, indeed he would have run off the track. A bit of red mist from Max , the two of them rarely yield if only to prove a point.
Not sure which footage you saw but max locked up BECAUSE Hamilton started to turn and this was shown clearly by Alex as well. If Hamilton didn't turn max would not have locked up . And for the sake of the argument let's say that max would have locked up and gone deep even if Hamilton didn't turn but that's how the driver on the outside drives. Either he gets pushed wide and in that case max would have gotten the penalty or he could have done the switchback and retain the position.
@@Mr-BareMinimum well that is an even more absurd explanation. When someone turns in on you, you turn in unless you can't because you have no track. Max never got within a car width of the curb. The driver in front is not obligated to give you the whole track, they are obligated to give you a car width. At the time Max hits Lewis, there is 8 feet of track to his right.
@@shooter7a well that was the reason it was a racing incident and no one was to blame wholly for it . Verstappen was not in control of car and Lewis turning into him made it a racing incident
@@Mr-BareMinimum that turn in was pretty subtle considering how much track was available..... Lewis took up about 6" of 10'+ of available track. Plus...just listen to Max's radio over the prior 20 laps. He was having a tantrum. 90% Max. 10% Lewis. The only reason that Max was not penalized was that he came out worse from the collision. If he had taken Lewis out....he would have been given a serious penalty.
Max always has said that he wants to drive into the fastest car. If Mercedes will have the the best car by the end of the year, Max will be inclined to move to Mercedes. Red Bull can only convince Max to stay if they can show him, by the end of the season, that they have a team that can still build the most competitive car. Max is continiously testing the team to see up to which level they can deliver that kind of car.
ALL DRIVERS want to drive in the fastest car. Max didn’t have the fastest car from 2015 - 2021….. he stayed at RBR…. Not having the fastest car. Max has had 1.5 season the fastest car at RBR, second part of 2022 and full 2023 season. That’s it. Max has been in F1 since 2015 and only had the fastest car for 1.5 season….. So your claim abt him IS BS
@@Redlingstein 2021 Redbull were the fastest car for most of the season. Before you start barking, Adrian Newey said it so 🤫 Oh and let's not get into his below average teammates.
It's amazing how Max is dominating F1 and breaking records, then he has a few off races, then all of a sudden he's going to Mercedes. I highly respect Coultard and Hill. So if they say something I take it seriously.
EJ come on sir, the incedent happened because he wanted to pass, lewis was in the breaking turning zone, he arrived far to fast and the rest is history. Would it have happened if he did arrive as fast or so distracted by various issues in the race...i believe not...that said do we want this or slot car racing!!!!!!!!
Race rules are clear. Max was ahead and had the right to choose his line. However doing so he entered too the corner too fast and might not have made the corner at all and Lewis would pass him back. In my opinion it was a racing accident however if one was to blame it should be Lewis. Because max was ahead and Lewis hit him. He could simply not turn right until max passed (possible out of road) and then turn and regain position.
Maxs fault 100%. Ham said on the radio right away i didnt turn in i kept it straight coz he saw him coming. max over cooked in massively and had no right to go off on ham. that could have taken both of them out - he's better than that - and that's the point. max is a better overtaker than that. i think coz he got airborne he lost it and wasn't thinking clear on the radio.
The car has come back. Russell beat him again and got dsq'd. Mercedes look to be second fastest at this point behind mclaren. Merc have the best strategy and mclaren doesnt.
To me, it's no surprise that from time to time Eddie Jordan gets some predictions right. If I made ten predictions a day, I would eventually be right as well.
Never making the corner. I can accept a race incident no problem BUT, If we're forced to apportion a larger slice of blame however then max made a super aggressive dive and was locked up. Had lewis jinked left and avoided the collision he would have still been in the lead as max was heading off track.
Absolutely right. But at the end of the day, it was Lewis driving into Max, not the other way around. Both made mistakes, that's why it was a racing incident.
@@Arsenic71 max literally had no control in where his car was going once his wheels locked, how is that lewis driving into max? lewis was driving into a corner, max was sliding straight
@@TheTororist Yes and nobody disputes that. That also means that Max couldn't possibly have driven into Lewis. It was Lewis who turned into Max when he *should* have gone straight as well. So both drivers made a mistake and it was deemed to be a racing incident. Technically speaking it was actually Lewis' fault (causing a collision - because only Lewis could have avoided it. He knew Max was there, he even saw him because Max was ahead and he still turned in). So it would have been "causing a colllision" (Lewis) vs "forcing another driver off the track" (Max). Everyone agreed it was a racing incident and that's the end of it.
@Arsenic71 um, max was the one who chose to brake too late. He was the one who had to stamp on his brakes when he realised he wasn't going to make the corner thus causing his wheels to lock up. That's some crazy mental gymnastics
I get the sense youre a relatively new fan, 6-8 years watching? I say this because im recalling such incidents of the nature you described and theyre a fairly newer trend, moreso since the halo was introduced. Ive seen every race of lewis’s career and from that I can recall, these instances where what you described took place, no doubt theres a couple more I’ve forgotten. Massa : Singapore 11 Albon : Brazil 19 Albon : Austria 20 Verstappen : Britain 21 Alonso : Belgium 22 Russell : Qatar 23 Verstappen : Hungary 24 I would confidently say Austria 20 and Hungary 24 were not his fault, the others were. Consider the following : 1 - the lack of incidents when taking into account the sheer length of his career 2 - how these incidents come about from very marginal circumstances, unlike the very blatant dirty driving we see from other drivers (ie dive bombs, running drivers off road, moving dangerously in braking zone) 3 - in almost all of these incidents lewis responded maturely and put his hands up apologising, something you do not see from many top drivers 4 - observing what many of Hamiltons close rivals have done to him, ie some of Rosberg and Verstappens very dirty moves (two drivers i rate highly in terms of skill js) Taking all of this into account , i would suggest reeling in the criticism of Hamiltons driving and acknowledging his record and driving style is remarkably clean and fair in comparison to most others, especially the likes of other all time greats in Verstappen, Schumacher and Senna, who were venomous in their race craft
@@lukerichards4135 nope not a new fan. Watching f1 for nearly 4 decades. He did them even in his mclaren days. The only thing changed is the finesse of the move.
Born in '58 and in my days doing a fair bit of racing, I've been at Eur. F1 races since the late 60's, and followed it since then. You've said what is obvious for anyone who can unbiased look. Even to the point that it became M.'s signature move and GR copied it as well. So, while not every single contact, but yes, still the vast majority. It is a ruthless, brutal and very dangerous way of driving, with until now, the pinnacle at Silverstone '21.👴🧐🤮
give Max a decent car and he will win! And honestly, his first car was faster than all the other teams now he is definitely driving a lesser car. give him a car that is equal to the others and he will win! (and yes, I am a Max fan, but this is just the way it is)
Completely Agree with Eddie. Mercedes have basically said to Max "Would you like to Double your Money ?" Carlos seems to be dragging his Feet, I believe, because he might know more about the Max - Mercedes offer. So I believe Carlos to RB & Max to Mercedes..
Yeah no please...."there's no doubt that Max was ahead"...are you kidding me, he's ahead because he locked he's brakes 50m back and slid past Lewis who HAD to keep out of the way. Take Lewis out of the equation and keep Max on the exact same line and braking point and he is still not making that corner, for Eddy to say" weather he was gonna make the corner or not, we don't know" is just about the as stupid as saying it was a racing incident!
I think Max is definitely going to Mercedes for the following reasons, when it comes to new regs and engines Mercedes would be my bet when we’re starting a fresh set of engine rules. My second observation is that Cristian was very frustrated that Honda were coming back into Formula One. This infers, that building engines is not that easy and perhaps he’s a a bit stressed. My last point, is that Max needs to do what Lewis did and he needs to distance his father from the day today racing. Just my humble opinion and you guys are a lot closer and will have far better idea, hence why we all watch you.
Done with this channel, how anyone can justify Maxs divebomb is just plain blinkered bias, he went in far too fast and locked up, end of. Coulthard can never claim to be neutral while employed by RB.
More Lewis bias. If Max could have made the turn, he wouldn't have locked up the front. He wasn't ahead of Lewis when that happened. I know yall hate that Lewis is the Goat of F1. Check all of his records. The jealousy and hatred is egregious. And you obviously weren't watching the race. Max is the ultimate brat when things aren't going his way. You can't avoid someone diving into you like that. Imagine if it was reversed, they would have given Lewis the penalty.
So maybe Eddie can say how a car with all four wheels locked up, he is not in control of his car, Lewis left three cars wide on his right, max would have turned on to the apex if not out of control having dive bombed Lewis, so he hit Lewis, all in a tenth of a second.
3:30 ... Lewis would have naturally assumed Max had grip and was going to turn into the apex. It was only until they were alongside each other that Max locked up into a puff of smoke. Lewis's cockpit camera showed he did open the steering up very slightly as a natural reaction to Max locking up... Lewis wasn't trying to use his car as a shield - like Max does.
Not an racing incident. Lewis saw Max coming in the mirrors. He tried to cut him off UNDER BRAKING, Lewis changed his line UNDER BRAKING, that is against the Rules. Lewis caused that accident 100%. According to Max, the only reason he locked up was because Lewis all of a sudden turned UNDER BRAKING and Max braked harder and locked up.
No I don't know what race he was watching! Max was not in front only by locking up his brakes what caused him to go straight and hit Lewis Hamilton. He came in too hot made the mistake and couldn't take the bend simple as that Max is at fault
Funny but everyone that is ON MAX SIDE are people linked to RB ! Coulthard still drives RB cars and is on the RB payroll ! Eddie on the other hand used to own the team ! . ! // It is a little like listening to TOTO WOLFE and Fred Vasseur telling us how great Lewis Hamilton is ! Sorry but if you want honest opinions , you need experts that are NOT tied to certain teams ! For this reason i thing DC and EJ are not really fit for the position . !
speak out what has to be said both!! lewis could should have avoided an collosion..we still have that fucking same incident on silverstone wich nearly caused far more harm to max..it makes me hate F1 a bit in general witnessing those brits being so hard on max,beacause of his way of being..it's shit
I think ej was watching a different race. No wonder he’s not a team owner anymore. He shouldn’t even be talking about f1 anymore until he gets a new pair of glasses
Why, and again why would max move to a losing team when he already is with a strong team? Just to test his skills and make more money? He is already worth more than he could ever spend in a lifetime and I doubt money is a strong motivator for him. I would be astonished if max moves from red bull until the cars become Williams quality.
Bollocks from former F1 driver of his caliber. Sounding like Sky F1 sports . Lewis was already lining for the corner and no way Max was going to make that turn with late braking and avoid touching car 44. If it was some other driver a penalty was on the cards 100%
Max locked up and went straight. Lewis on the other hand, turned into him like he has done so many times. Yes, I know I know, a corner came so Lewis had to turn eventually... but surely you see Max locking up and going straight, right? When's the last time on the road you turned in on a car because there's a corner and you thought they are turning? Let me guess, never? Just because I know he's turning doesn't mean that if I see him NOT turning for whatever reason, I'll just keep turning anyway... what logic is that? It's both of their faults -> racing incident. Can we stop talking about it now?
Oh please EJ, Max sent it there kamikaze style like a loose rocket and then locked up completely out of control. That's not a pass with finesse. That's sloppy driving. These guys don't know shit.
It's a simple as: Max locked up, lost control and Lewis was within his right to turn into the corner, if any moron thinks he purposely tried to hit Max (and destroy his own race) then they are beyond saving 😅 It's the audacity of Max to say Lando can't divebomb, then tries pulling off something like this literally a few races later. Pick a lane 🤣
Few things. 1. Yes Max did lock up and lost control. 2. Even so, Lewis had ample opportunity to wait with his turn in to avoid the accident (like Max did in Austria when Lando locked up on the inside. If he saw Max then it was an intentional crash. If he didnt he really needs to check his mirrors more often. 3. If Max hadnt made the corner he'd need to give up the place 4. If Max did make the corner Lewis would have way better traction/speed anyways. 5. Both were lucky to get away relatively unscathed. 6. Yes it's hypocritical from Max, as are pretty much all F1 drivers. Your stance changes so long as you profit.
I think Max will leave Red Bull because of the drama behind the seasons adding so much more stress! I think Horner should have been replaced once the evidence of his poor actions came to light no way in hell I would want someone like that in linkage with my brand or company!
