DON'T BREATHE 2: Let's not Redeem the Turkey Baster Guy | Explained 

I think the worst part about the old man's turkey baster thing is that he says something like "I never forced myself on her, I told her she could leave as soon as I got my daughter" which like.... coercion through kidnapping and violence is still rape my dude!! And the only reason he tries to use the turkey baster is because he didn't wanna wait to break rocky down!

"How do we redeem male characters without actually redeeming them?" Hollywood: Give them a little girl to protect

I forgot about the baster until l read your title and then l immediately dry heaved at the memory.

They really tried to turn turkey baster guy into a anti villain geriatric daredevil.

don’t breathe 2: we did not have a single woman in our focus group

This couldn’t have just been an independent movie altogether and not a sequel to Don’t Breathe? It could’ve just been a different old man instead of the audience knowing and associating him as the murderer that forcibly impregnated women…

"It's a low bar."" It's a tripping hazard in Hell, that's what it is.

If he wasn't a monster in the first film, this film would be fine. But the fact he kidnaps and rapes a woman, and then the writer expects us to sympathize with him is just insulting. If the first film was just an old man defending his home from intruders and he reveals his more brutal side, then I would be all for this movie.

If I had a nickel for everytime I watched a movie using the turkey baster method I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice, right?

I feel like writers use "anti-hero" as a bit of a cop out. Like buddy, there's nothing heroic here. You got yourself a villain protagonist. Own it.

You can't transplant a child or teenager's heart into a full grown adult

as soon as I saw the trailer I was super confused like my mind could not process how they tried to make someone who forced a woman pregnant with a turkey baster a sympathetic villain. Like it would be one thing if in the original the only thing he did was kill people who broke into his house and nothing else it could work but trying to act like he's a good person deep down despite being a rapist is disgusting

They really tried to turn him into some reformed martyr. It seems to me he just has a habit of possessing women, locking them from the outside world and using them for his own personal gratification. If he truly cared about his daughter, he wouldn’t stand for another girl being the situations and torture he put them through. By the “cutting hair scene”, it gives me the picture of parentification. She fills the role as some kind of partner would, he ages her, makes sure that she has absolutely no opportunity to simply be a kid. All she knows is what he allows her to know. He’s moulding her into his view of a perfect woman/partner. Why does he need to replace his daughter by any means? What role to him did she fill that he cannot live without to the extent that he goes to such lengths to replace her? To me it’s like trying to find a new partner after they leave/pass, rather than literally replacing someone (or “something” in his case) that should be irreplaceable. Just because you weren’t shown to be as bad, doesn’t mean she didn’t deserve better. He stole from her most formative years, forever traumatised her more than she already was and was brainwashed into being whatever he wanted her to be. She is shown as an orphan in the last scene, but I would love it if they showed her with a lovely, normal adoptive family with some siblings as a stark contrast showing his inability to provide her a suitable life. The warmness of a family, being surrounded by loving people, going to school and having friends, instead of his harsh, cold isolation. A life where they are providing for her, not her being his possession to provide for his sick fantasy. God, of all ways they could have gone, they really chose a gross one. It’s gives me weird vibes that they even thought that this was an okay way to go? Like, why did they do this? Let’s not reward and celebrate sexual, misogynistic predators.

i don't see why this guy couldn't have just adopted a child in the first movie instead of doing his turkey baster bs and this sequel literally proves that he could've just adopted a daughter INSTEAD of doing... THAT. so not only does this movie completely retcon his motivations it also could've been resolved with some logical thinking in the FIRST PLACE.

Pretty sure it's because the director and actress from first movie had some sort of falling out, so he couldn't focus on a revenge plot for the Rocky character and her sister, like it seemed they were implying in the end.

I guess in this movie they decided to turn him into a anti hero of sorts a geriatric Daredevil. It doesn't work for me. What made the first movie so great is that you saw him as the prey but come to find out he was the predator.

When the happy ending involves a kid ending up with no family, living in a shelter, more than likely traumatized, with issues that will manifest themselves in various ways throughout the rest of her life... just throw the whole storyline away and start over, this movie is 💩

Cindy’s body was covered with cement and put under the floor which is why the cops didn’t find them. Still don’t know why the cops didn’t find the turkey baster and fridge of….. stuff along with his prison cage.

I'm not sure that non-uterus having people quite understand how horrifying the idea of being impregnated against your will is. Maybe that's why the directors thought the organ harvesting suddenly make turkey basting a preferable option 🤮

"Some characters just shouldn't be redeemed." Thank you! I just want a bad guy that's a BAD guy. They don't all need to be misunderstood, abused twats.

The only thing worse than the baster was the single HAIR. WHY AM I REMEMBERING THIS?? HELP!

You know, sympathetic villains are good. Anti heroes are good. But there are so many stories with unreliable villains that are also great. They don’t need to be sympathetic. Sometimes evil characters can just be fun.

Don't breathe 2 is for people that don't remember watching the first one and don't know what's else to watch.

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Makes my skin crawl. It's not just that He seems to think the turkey baster is better than anatomical assault, it's that the WRITERS seem to think it's better than using his own anatomy for the assault.

They redeemed a man who took advantage of women so he could have kids, against their will? Cool. Rapist redeeming in movies is just totally rad (sarcasm). What a waste of a movie. At least Rocky got away.

Yeah don't redeem this guy, sequel was not needed

I don't understand this "need" to redeem a character that was irredeemable. I thought a part of the effectiveness in the first movie was the twist in the "you thought you were rooting for an innocent old man, but here's something you didn't know about him" thing.Trying to backpedal and make him a "old man you want to root for" again just doesn't work after that first-movie reveal.

So, when I watched the trailer I said to myself… “well, I’m not watching a movie that redeems this monster” and wondered why they would ever want to go there 🤦🏻‍♀️

The worst part is that it worked, I've seen so many comments of people saying they "love the old man, he's a little messed up but has a good heart" or some stupid bullshit like that

I think it‘s just extremely disgusting that they apparently looked at this absolutely horrid rapist monster and thought „Hey, I think this one needs a redemption arc! I think we should make him the protagonist and a cool edgy anti-superhero who can now protect the *thing* he wanted to *have* in the first movie. Because, I mean, why shouldn‘t we reward his clearly big efforts?“. That‘s just really telling of how they see the world, how they see women, how society sees women. The fact that the movie exists as it does shows the true nature of this society. Someone made it happen, someone let it happen, someone maybe tried to change/ stop it but that person was ignored/ silenced. And this movie made money.

Can't say the old man is a good villain. Tying his actions to being atheist is insultingly inaccurate (the vast majority of atheists, like the rest of the population, do not commit crimes, and those who do have completely unrelated motives), and frankly just ruins the movie.

I was so confused seeing the second one and mentally said. “-wait. Wasn’t he a bad guy in the first one?”

“He’s still out there. Waiting…to BASTE.” Me, out loud in an empty room: AMANda!!

I remember at the end of the first movie *spoilers* that he was following Rocky and her sister through the airport. So when I saw the trailer for this movie and he was with a young girl protecting her, I thought "hey wait, is that Rocky's little sister from the first movie? Cause...if so...I don't like this!"

So they try to redeem the irredeemable by putting him against mustache-twirling evil caricatures, involved in a pointlessly messy and convoluted plan.

I have an ex that I went to see the original with. He admitted to me that he thought the original prisoner actually deserved to get turkey basted for accidentally killing his daughter and that my repulsion was nonsensical to him. Quietest walk to the car after a showing I've had... .. We're not together anymore lol. I digress but this character's attempted "redemption" after that irl experience was such an insult.

They made him beyond disgusting....and we're just supposed to...forget and forgive that?

Trying to turn the blind murder-rapist into blind John Wick is probably why it felt like an action movie and *goddamn* was it a poor decision

When I saw the trailer to the movie I was like, “wait, that looks like the Don’t Breathe guy. But surely they can’t redeem him? Must be a different movie with the same actor.” Then the title card came on.

The actress Jane levy was the only reason that made me watch the first film and I was pleasantly surprised with its intensity. So, when I heard about the sequel I hoped they were going the traditional way and have the final girl face the killer once again under other circumstances. But this plot makes me think that the producers thought that the audience sympathised so much with the villain that they wanted to see his story expand in the sequel. Disappointing.

I lol’d at the title. That is the ONLY thing I remember about that movie

the moment that Jane Levy wasnt in the movie (and she apparently had some beef with the director according to her tweets), I just lost interest in it. Then they fcking try to redeem this dude who is a r*pist, nahhh bruh im out

Just felt like clarifying why the cops didn't find Cindy's body. The old guy placed her body in an open space he apparently had under his floor and filled it up; making it so they'd never find her body.

So basically, Taken, except Liam Neeson has a completely morally bankrupt backstory from a previous movie that the writers want us to forget about

They could've made this a prequel about what drove him to his insanity in the first film, but nope he got the Jamie fookin Lannister treatment.

The most redeeming thing about Don't Breathe 2 was seeing a ball of floof at the end of this review.

What always baffled me was that at the end of the first movie, the police apparently didn’t find the creepy dungeon in his house or the body of the woman he had kept in there, did they even search the house? How was that man not in prison?

I was ready to see this movie after seeing a tiny bit of the trailer, but I am now absolutely disgusted knowing that they’re going to make the rapist into some “cool badass antihero” ugh

I just gotta say I found this channel when I was in the hospital with covid pneumonia and blood clots and it really helped me get through it

Seeing your face on the Jones soda in the background gives me life in spite of this disturbing sequel. Also gives me Speckle from Tuca and Bertie vibes, which I love

The redeemable psychopath trope can be done well...if the psychopath in question isn't a goddamn r*pist. why tf did they think this was okay?!

The turkey battery scene is the only time I've genuinely almost thrown up watching a movie. Thanks for reminding me

I vividly remember watching Don’t Breathe in the theaters and when the reveal for the baster happened, I actually almost threw up and didn’t eat with the rest of my group when we went to dinner afterwards. That shit is still traumatizing to this day.

I thought the first movie did a good job at showing the "grey area" of the characters' moralities. At first, everyone sympathizes with the blind, just for his disabilities, and not so much with the robbers. That turkey baster scene, although it didn't make me like the robbers more, made it so that the blind man was not some "completely innocent old, disabled man", but a disturbing character with his own sick motives. I wish to see more movies show more "gray area" characters, rather than a solid "good guy" and "bad guy".

I haven't seen the sequel, but the first movie really fucked with me, that guy is just nyope

Did you notice that the thugs who tried to kidnap Phoenix also threatened to kill fear via drowning and electrocution? Lmao, like wtf would their boss say about that if they were going to kill her before even donating her heart?

When I watched the movie I thought the guy was a good bad guy! I don’t want him to be redeemed- like he literally can’t be redeemed at all, r**ped a girl and kept her captive then tried to do it to another Yeah no, let’s just leave good Horror movies alone with no sequels.

see to me characters having a good thing about them just makes them more interesting. just because they do some good things, doesn't mean they arent still responsible for their horrific choices it can be handled poorly but a character not being 100% good or evil isn't a bad thing it gives it complexity

I totally forgot about the turkey baster scene and now I'm horrified that theyed try to redeem him.

When I heard they were making a sequel to Don't Breathe, my first thought was "oh God, why?". I'm rather relieved to hear I didn't miss much by deciding to pass on watching it myself, though

You are one of the few people to criticize You for making Joe look good and do it properly for the correct reasons. It's not a problem that he's handsome, a stalker, and the main character. He has all that and still looks like a creep but that kid aspect really does what everything else doesn't. Makes him the good guy he thinks he is.

I wasn't planning on watching it (I'm still not), but damn I'd love to watch it with your audio commentary, I'd be hilarious

So basically this... "series" which started with the hunters becoming the hunted turned into... A family drama, starring the villain of the first movie?

Stephen Lang in Don’t Breath 1: The final boss ofthe game. Stephen Lang in Don’t Breath 2: The final boss when you unlock him.

I've gotta say, the best part of Amandas videos is how educational they are. Before watching this I had no absolute idea there was something called "turkey baster" and whatever that would mean. Now I do know and wish I didn't.

I really wanted the little girl to pick a new name for herself at the end but I guess I get it. She did see that a-hole as her dad basically her whole life.

A better sequel to Don’t Breath would’ve been if it had turned out that Norman succeeded in impregnating Rocky and he had somehow stalked her to California, where she is now raising his child. She must then fend him off and fight for her own survival in order to protect the child that she has grown to love from being kidnapped by their psychotic biological father.

Really like the new filming corner. Light is really good and the background is simple, not distracting and the shelf could be redone every now amd then.

THANK YOU!!!! I’ve been commenting on all the trailers saying “wait, am I supposed to be rooting for ‘Turkey Baster Man’ now?” I’m not having any of that lol

Really, really goes to show that the writers think breaking into a home is more violating than r@pe and forced pregnancy.

When I saw the trailer, my first thought was “are you fu****g kidding me?”.

I never watched the first movie, and I thought it was cool that they made another one. But after this video and reading comments, I'm going to cry 😭

About Cindy's body: I could be wrong on this since I watched the first movie months ago. But I remember a scene in the basement prison room where we see a hidden hole/space in the floor before it is covered with a tile. It looked like the hole was filled with some liquid or chemicals. I always assumed that this is where her body went to hide it or get rid of it with acid or something. And that really reminded me of some some true crime cases/stories. The hole looked like something he had planned and prepared in advance, so I don't think he ever intended to let Cindy go when he got his baby... Or maybe that is just me watching too much true crime and misunderstanding the movie.

Not that I've been surprised Hollywood bosses sympathize with the rapist, but still jeez!

I remember seeing the trailer and thinking "please tell me that they aren't trying to make him the good guy in this movie."

I could tell from the trailer they where trying to redeem him. So messed up.

Something that niggled at me throughout this movie was the fact that the Blind Man being, um, blind... barely comes up in the course of the plot. There's the odd reference, but there's no point in which him being blind actually matters. And then I thought about it, and I thought... him being a rapist doesn't really affect the plot either, does it. So... I think this might have been an existing script for a knock-off version of Taken or somesuch, that they just repurposed for this sequel by replacing the main character with the Blind Man and putting in the odd reference here and there. Maybe I'm way off, but that makes so much more sense than someone actually setting out to make this movie from the outset.

One little detail you left out about the first movie- the girl locked up in the blind man’s basement was responsible for the death of his daughter (she caused the car accident that killed her). That hardly morally justifies the turkey baster antics, but it does make the blind man’s villainy a wee bit less arbitrary.

I just got my first apartment and gotta say your background struggles is a big mood!

No way he knew that guy was on the other side of that window he smashed through to grab.

I appreciate your explaining why you avoided using the “R” word. I noticed a lot of you tubers dance around that term, which made me think they were deniers or something.

I like how she missed the entire ending I guess. Where the man admits he is no good guy and tells the girl to get away from him…

Can you PLEASE review "It Follows." Such a good and original horror movie that has avoided doing a shitty sequel

2yrs later, and could still be one or the first in a playlist of "sequels nobody wanted or asked for - but, money"

I don't think there should be any doubt that Norman is a monster, but regarding the first movie, those "likable characters trying to get out of a bad situation" were only in that particular bad situation because they decided to break into the home of an elderly blind man and rob him. All three of them were monsters who just happened to come across a worse monster.

Cindy WAS the person involved with his daughters death. She was the driver of the car that killed the daughter, that’s the entire reason he took her, to “replace” his child.

I watched the trailer and I was like "oh boy, he's a good guy now?" No, thank you. So I haven't watched it and I'm not gonna watch it. Ps. Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro is an amazing book.

The moral of the film is this: don't steal.

My friend and I saw this in theaters on a "we feel like seeing a movie, what's playing right now" whim. Neither of us had seen the first one and we still thought the blind guy an awful person. With the context of the first movie you gave, it makes him even more horrible. So rest assured he hasn't been redeemed.

Good performances aside, Phoenix / Tara (The little girl) was the only character I cared about; her character and performance made the movie for me personally. (SPOILER) The Blind Man is beyond redemption or even attempted redemption. Throughout the film, I just wanted Phoenix to make it out alright and I think her ending up at the shelter was the best outcome. I see what the writers were trying to do but the only thing that succeeded was many of us caring about the girl.

The strongest memory from seeing the first movie was my friend dry heaving when the old guy gets basted

everybody collectively shoved the baster scene out of their heads just to be curb stomped by the reminder

Amanda could you do Free Guy? I genuinely enjoyed the movie and I think it’s the first proper good video game movie

Watching the previews for this, I thought it was a team of mercs hired to get the kid back.

Rob Zombie's films are often examples of this. House of 1000 Corpses featured a backwoods family of sadistic killers, then the sequel Devil's Rejects made them into the heroes facing off against a sadistic law enforcement officer. Zombie's Halloween remakes also try to make the villain from the first into a more sympathetic/relatable focus character in the second.

Having seen the trailer for this movie and knowing absolutely nothing about the first one, I thought it looked kind of interesting and thought I might watch it someday. I owe you my life and probably whatever my pre-movie meal would have been for warning me away with the words "turkey baster guy".

It's fun watching Amanda being even more animated than her usual animated self. But how can you not mention that this guy is doing things that would be impossible for a genuinely blind man to do? I find this infuriating and ridiculous.

Cindy is the one who killed his daughter and cindy’s body is underneath the basement floor in a vat of acid or something.

You know a movie is bad when your the most upset about a dog dying