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hey youtube !
here are my thoughts and my review on the movie I Saw The TV Glow. there is a lot about this movie that i related to even tho it's not about my experience. i couldn’t really talk about the film with a queer perspective, only my own, but the inputs of the Film Critter and Jake Thatcher are amazing, you should check it out if you have not already ! i also recommend watching Lucas Blue's symbol analysis. i will put all the links below in order :
Film Critters : • processing I SAW THE T...
Jake Tatcher : • Queer Escapism & Repre...
Lucas Blue's analysis (with spoiler) : • A FULL BREAKDOWN of AL...
timestamps
0:00 intro
0:47 context (why did i watch it)
2:03 how i would describe the movie
3:38 my perspective on the characters
4:22 what i liked + personal observations
4:30 ... about the performances
6:07 ... about the cinematography
7:11 ... about the music (forgot to mention that Alex G did a great job on the soundtrack)
7:24 ... about the symbolism
9:42 how it resonated with me (themes & interpretations)
12:17 criticism that i have regarding the movie
14:42 final thoughts (the dumb laughs, not relating, aspiring to make films and IDENTITY+PURPOSE)
thanks for watching!

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@beefyeef7548 25 дней назад

I can't imagine seeing that ending scream at the birthday party and laughing. It was so viscerally painful as a trans person. It was a scene about immense suffering that the people around Owen either failed or deliberately refused to see. I suppose I'm glad I watched this movie privately because I don't think I would have handled people laughing at that very well. I appreciate the discussion about this movie from an analytical standpoint rather than all the "what REALLY happened" videos ❤

@CrypticBore 16 дней назад

I can understand laughing from inappropriate affect perspective. I laughed at things when i was hella ubcomfy growing up which got me in trouble but genuine laughter nope those people can get fucked.

@CrypticBore 16 дней назад

Im trans and this is my new favourite movie i cried throughout it.

@somebody8768 Месяц назад

I just watched the movie and i will be so honest if i saw ppl laughing during that scene i would have been so personally upset, and im glad that you took time to point out that some people have no media literacy, and i am so pleasantly surprised at how you state you are cis/het but you get such a clear grasp of how the story is viewed through the queer (and neurodivergent) lens. I appreciate that there are people like you with good media literacy and take the time to listen to others perspectives of the story and incorporate that into their own. I completely agree with the feeling of being a little disconnected from the main characters relationship and the characters themselves because i enjoy character driven stories aswell, and i definitely feel like they could have portrayed a deeper bond between the two because through a neurodivergent viewpoint, although their are times when we can be awkward and be seen as “alien-like” to others, we can still have deep connections with people. But to what i saw it felt like there was a distance or disconnection between them and their interactions even though they have a bond that shares a deep resonation with a show that they both feel represents them. And thank you for sharing this as your personal experience of the movie instead of “this is what the movie means, and how your supposed to see it” i really appreciate that, much love ❤

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

it was truly disappointing to witness reactions like that and i found that even more unfortunate that others who deeply resonated with this story had the same thing happen... and i thank you so much for your input love!! it is true that even if there's a distance between them, their closeness lies in how they resonate with the show, which is the center of the story. it is a narrative driven film after all, can't expect a deep dive in the characters! glad that im not the only one who felt that way tho :) much love sent your way as well 💞

@agneebags 29 дней назад

yeah a lot of unsavory reactions in the theatre

@aviandekeizer9208 23 дня назад

I think that maybe some people in the theater were laughing awkwardly! Especially when we are presented with pieces of media this heartwrenching, in a new and unexpected way, a lot of people, including neurodivergent people, don't know how to react and laughter can be a coping mechanism. As a neurodivergent person, I can sympathize with seeing a scene with a confusing tone (at first glance), not knowing how you are supposed to react, and laughing because you think that is what you are supposed to do or because it is awkward. Not saying that was everyone though, and I understand why it would feel really upsetting, just trying to make space for people with different experiences!

@milascave2 19 дней назад

Yea, but they were teenagers, what are you going to do? Teens will be teens.

@electronics-girl Месяц назад

As a trans woman, especially as one who transitioned later in life, after trying to ignore my identity for a long time, this movie really hit me hard. I was sobbing by the end. It was a wonderful movie, though! I agree that the music performances disrupted the flow a bit. Great review!

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

im happy you have resonated with it and even happier that you have embraced yourself and your identity!! glad you enjoyed the vid :)

@fubytv731 17 дней назад

I think the lack of chemistry is fitting, because Owen is not really who they are, actually both of them are hiding who they really are, so having a deep connection actually would ruin the vibe that they're supposed to have.

@Exrotiz 24 дня назад

ALLY!

@nisrinesinternetspace 24 дня назад

ALLYYYYYY!!!

@thoonder3034 27 дней назад

i loved this movie but I’ve largely been avoiding discussion of it online - most of what my algorithm has been feeding me has been “Ending Explained” videos and there’s nothing I want to hear less lol. This is the first RU-vid video about it that I’ve watched and I’m so glad you took the time to talk about how you reacted to the movie rather than trying to make it “make sense”

@col2281 Месяц назад

There were some moments that were meant to be humorous though like, Tara’s Estée Lauder line or the soup party

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

agreed 100%, there were moments that were meant to be funny! i was more upset with the scenes that were laughed at in a vicious way

@col2281 Месяц назад

@@nisrinesinternetspace I found your review very thorough. It’s cool you mentioned the connection some neurodivergent fans shared with Owen. His anxiety and uncertainty reminded me of myself in the late 90s.

@atlas6864 Месяц назад

i think the music performances were to show owen's mental state and his reaction to what maddy was saying to him. she was monologuing and owen was overthinking and the music communicated that without making the dialogue unnatural for the sake of the viewers understanding. that's just my interpretation

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

that's a fair interpretation! the performances could have used to avoid too much exposition on Owen's thoughts and feelings

@Jem_80s 29 дней назад

You saying it was "Pisces and Aquarius coded" I gasped! I'm an Aquarius with a Pisces rising and LOVED the movie's weirdness - while also letting it shatter my heart.

@aviandekeizer9208 23 дня назад

Just wanted to say, Mister Melancholy is not really a representation of dysphoria! Dysphoria is closely aligned with the 'traditional trans narrative' that has been perpetuated by straight directors and actors that the director of this film, Jane Schoenbrun, voiced in an interview that she tried to stay away from. She said that the ultimate villain in this movie is the gaze on these characters and Mr. Melancholy represents this by looking down upon them from the sky and controlling who they can be. While dysphoria is something that can come from external factors, is is an internal feeling that not all trans people experience. I believe Jane is trying to instead speak to the controlling nature and violence that this external gaze of society is imposing onto queer bodies and identities. Here is the full quote from the interview Jane did with Film Comment: "The villain in I Saw the TV Glow ultimately is the gaze on these characters. That’s why Mr. Melancholy stares down at them from the sky, keeping them obedient, letting them know that they are looked at, and that that look is going to control who they can be. I try to make work that is aware of this control and comes from an anti-fascist perspective that believes that kind of power can be attacked. "

@nisrinesinternetspace 22 дня назад

Wah, I looked into the article you referred to and it's such a great well-rounded interview! I see that I was wrong in my interpretation, I am grateful you took the time to comment this, it makes a lot of sense. One of the main reasons I thought he represented dysphoria was because melancholy used to be a symptom doctors would associate with dysphoria, but it would be nonsensical to refer to something that was concluded to be wrong. It would also explain why Owen (or rather Isabela) always acted fearful, like something was watching and pressuring her.

@orangehorror1208 24 дня назад

I love this video so much! You did a great job analyzing and dissecting this amazing movie! I can’t wait to see more from you!!!

@cmmosher8035 29 дней назад

A a fellow cis het (presumably Canadian) i love ved this movie. I am the same age as Maddie and i really related to processing trauma by falling into fantasy and media. There are few shots that really hit home what owen is trying to repress. Especially the use of the song you sing a bit if, Anthem for a 17 year old girl.

@misogynbluu Месяц назад

the harmonious sounding like homeless joke made me laugh out loud and i immediately followed u for that 💖

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

you can expect a lot more mispronunciation in future videos LMAO, thank you sm for following ❤

@violetscomet 2 дня назад

i loved ur video! hope u make more like this 💖

@SaiyanHeretic 21 день назад

Thanks for giving us your impressions, I'm glad to see more people talking about movies like this. Sadly, it either wasn't available in my area theaters or only for so short a time that I missed it, so I had to wait until it came to VOD. While the trans narrative (it's too explicit to be called a mere theme or allegory imho) didn't speak to me personally, I still found plenty of things to relate to, as a former weirdo kid and current weirdo adult. I grew up watching shows like "Pete & Pete" (the lead actors from which have a cameo in this movie) and "Eerie, Indiana" so I definitely would have tuned into "The Pink Opaque" in those days. The more I ruminate over my viewing of "I Saw The TV Glow," the more I liked it. If nothing else, it's a challenging film such as this is a welcome divergence from all the boilerplate action/sci-fi I tend to watch. I do want to say one other thing, re: the people who laughed in the theater. Not to speak in their defense, but for my part, I also initially laughed at Owen's birthday party freakout. Not because I found it funny, but because I found it deeply uncomfortable. I've long since developed the habit of using humor as a defense mechanism, which is pretty common when you have trouble relating to other people and find yourself needing to defuse social tension. Obviously, there's a difference between a nervous chuckle and buffoonish guffawing, but I had to put that out there.

@CoreyMS23 25 дней назад

Loved this movie so much and loved this video too! Look forward to your next!

@joey_wednesday 24 дня назад

i feel bad cuz i laughed at the part where he said "I think i like tv shows.." when asked about his sexuality, and also at the drive-threw scene when the intercom was all distorted

@nisrinesinternetspace 24 дня назад

omg i giggled at those parts too! i believe those moments were meant to be funny so you really shouldn't feel bad about it, i was talking about the people who made fun of the characters throughout the duration of the film (which unfortunately happened in the theater i went to)

@imanemoustaquim2982 Месяц назад

can you please do a video about ''the end of the fucking world'' its a show that is rarely talked about and i found it a great representation of mental health and dealing with trauma

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

omg i remember loving that show when it came out, will keep that in mind!

@milascave2 19 дней назад

I found Matty's dialogue to be gripping and horrifying. She was describing a complete descent into dangerous insanity, and an attempt at suicide in the worst possible way. I thought that there was a weird chemistry between the two, these two weird teens who bond over a weird. TV show. I thought that he had a c rush on her. He accepted that the relationship would never become physical, but he wanted it too. Perhaps that was me projecting how I felt as a cis het youth. Who knows. But It also. It seemed that whenever she seemed to mad at him, she then said something that indicated the opposite, she was really open with him about things that she would not tell most people. And vice versa. It did seem like he loved her, and she returned to her hometown to find him because she needed him to feel complete. That was. What made his final unkind, though understandable, way of finally rejecting her so sad. She came to believe that the two girls who stared in the show WERE Owen and. Mattie. And they both perceived it that way to a degree. They were two teen girls, one white, one brown. They were a teen girl and boy, the same colors. But Owen was inwardly feminine, a feeling that he completely repressed except when he was around Mattie. Heck, he even sometimes wore a pink dress, the same as what the girls in the show wore. Later, he realized that the show was not at all like they had remembered it. The.girls were not even teens. They were children, And the show was a show for children, not teens. They had both shared an essentially delusional projection of themselves into the show. And the music scenes didn't bother me. There was one part with a. close up of a munition's face that was so androgynous that I could not tell if it was a man or a woman until the cameraman pulled out, and I saw her hair. That kind of lines up with the theme of the movie.

@whiro8945 Месяц назад

opening the video with your face covering most of the screen, carefully whispering "I'm an ally" in defense kind of gave me ASMR and idk what to think about that.

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

listen, this channel is all over the place so i might just do an ASMR video 👀

@carlospeppapriv День назад

I'm not a cis hetero, but I feel this movie, while very clearly being about queerness in some level, is not exclusively a "trans" or "queer" movie, and I feel that discussion is simplifying the themes of the movie a little bit. I think it's about identity in general, about being honest with who you are, not hiding it. I read someone describing this movie as a "violent call-out to be yourself" and I think that describes the movie pretty well, and I feel pretty much anyone who's had identity issues or trouble expressing themselves, queerness aside, can relate to this movie. I didn't get THAT much queer vibes from the movie, but that's just how I perceived it. Still one of my favorite movies I've watched this year, absolutely amazing

@samirachafi4352 Месяц назад

Thank you,I like the content of your channel ❤

@Unit0998 7 дней назад

the chemistry wasn't really there, because they literally had their hearts removed.

@hannahwhite9287 8 дней назад

I think the movie shows us a very surface-level perspective of Owen's character because their sense of self is very surface-level. Owen is disconnected from their life and their identity, the only thing they're sure of and willing to explore is their love of the Pink Opaque, so I honestly think it's quite fitting that all we learn about them is their connection to the show. I don't think we're supposed to know more. The bond between Owen and Maddy also felt purposefully awkward and disconnected as they're both not truly themselves. It would be impossible to form deeper connections with each other as their "personalities" don't go any deeper than what we're shown.

@ouriiangel Месяц назад

ure so pretty omg

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

omg thank you love that's so kind 🥹

@upland77 22 дня назад

Sometimes people laugh because they are nervous or scared. Laughter doesn't always mean people are mocking or being disrespectful.

@alex_shrooms Месяц назад

loved your analysis!! (just one punctualization, brigette lundy-paine uses they/them pronouns)

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

very happy you enjoyed it:) and omg thank you for letting me know, i really appreciate that!!

@MalarikFilms 19 дней назад

12:59 I think it seemed like there was no chemistry between them Owen was still too afraid to be themself. You can’t exactly have chemistry if one person realized who they are and the other person doesn’t want to be that other person. The other person being Isabel. I think Isabella and Tara have the deep chemistry. While Owen and Maddie are just friends. 13:22 I agree to what you’re saying here🎉

@omartrinidad6309 28 дней назад

U should soo make a video based on ur Letterboxd

@nisrinesinternetspace 27 дней назад

can you believe that an avid movie watcher as myself still doesn't have Letterbox 😭 taking this comment as a sign to finally sign up

@dookieshoe2905 Месяц назад

I was completely lost after watching it so i watched some explanations of it on YT and found out the guy is trans. I didnt get that at all while watching and neither did my wife. It makes more sense now but the dreamlike quality of the movie makes it harder to see those things. Its not very grounded but this was on purpose obviously. Knowing more about it makes it a bit better but its not a very good movie imo.

@nisrinesinternetspace Месяц назад

i've talked with some who were utterly confused after watching, it's a fair reaction! for people who don't label themselves as queer, it would be hard to follow a story like this if you haven't been around people who are. and i have also seen multiple people who are queer not enjoy this movie or not resonate with it at all. hence why i love the conversations around this movie, everyone has their perspective to share!

@dookieshoe2905 Месяц назад

@@nisrinesinternetspace it is pretty cool that art can be so obvious to one person and the next person be completely confused.

@R4kuna 29 дней назад

Nelligan spotted

@in_the_pines 28 дней назад

What pissed me off is that all of the songs were "covers" of original songs from the 90s which totally ruined the nostalgia. If anything this is "fauxstalgia" where a kid raised in the 2000's looks back on how they would have imagined "growing up in the 90s" would be. The song you were singing was from a band called "The Broken Social Scene" which would have been WAY BETTER if they just used the originals and would have also been cool to show this generation some of those old songs that were more underground than mainstream. Also, I feel like if someone says they didn't like the movie people are so quick to say "you just didn't get it" when in reality this film was not complicated at all. In fact, it's the opposite. I just found the plot line of the movie wasn't that deep. It gave me r/im14andthisisdeep vibes which is why I'm not suprised most of the people liking the film are all around the same age.

@nisrinesinternetspace 27 дней назад

i kinda understand where you are coming from! i have only got to know the songs through this movie as i was born in the early 2000's and enjoyed discovering the originals. and god i wasn't trying to have a "you don't get it" attitude lmfao 😭although i do disagree with some reviews and im sure you have seen many people miss the point of the film entirely. good that it was easy for you to see! it's fair if it's not that deep for you, for others it was

@in_the_pines 27 дней назад

@@nisrinesinternetspace Well thank you for at least hearing my take and not automatically assuming things. I did enjoy the visuals which originally attracted me to the movie I just think if approached slightly different that it wouldn't have wasted potential like more dialogue between the characters like you mentioned and a few other things. Oh btw if you're into A24 you should check out NEON which is another production/distribution company that releases films with a kind of similar vibe. You might like the stuff their releasing.

@nisrinesinternetspace 26 дней назад

@@in_the_pines yeah of course :) and i'll look into their movies, thank you for the recommendation!

@alexanderaone 26 дней назад

I really don't think that most people who say "you just didn't get it" mean it as "you didn't understand the movie's message". I think they're talking about FEELING it and deeply resonating with it (but yes, some are replying like this to those who actually didn't understand the trans and queer themes of the story, but that is not what I'll be writing about ). /gen Trans people who have experienced the same/similiar trans pain and struggles as in the movie, feel a deep connection with it, because being trans is such a unique experience, that cis people will never truly understand (as in relate to on a deeper level). It's really personal, not a "one fits all" type of movie (it doesn't "do it" even for some trans people) and the mixed reviews really show that (that is not a bad thing whatsoever, it's just an observation). For many, the movie doesn't just end, they go back to their own Midnight Realm. I'm really happy to see, that this movie made so many people start their transition, go back to their transition, feel seen in their transition. People are trying to get out of the Midnight Realm and it's a wonderful thing to witness. You might call it "fake deep", but this movie is actually life saving for trans folks who have given up on themselves, because now they know that "there is still time". I have seen so many people of all ages (especially those over 30) who have finally found hope and motivation to transition, because of this movie, so I can guarantee that it's not only teens that love this one. I personally adore this movie, no other media was able to make me feel so seen. No other media understood my pain and was able to portray it this welll. I wasn't able to sleep for a few days after watching it for the first time and I still can't stop thinking about it, because it was so impactful and personal to me. It might sound "dramatic" and all, but that's how I and many other folks feel. Trans people don't have many pieces of media that have good representation, are made by trans people and are for trans people. Our stories are rarely "ours" and are made to be "digestable" for cis audiences. This one is about us, by us and for us (obviously anyone can enjoy it and find it somehow relatable, but it is mainly a trans story after all). It's definitely not a movie for everyone and that's good, cause not every movie has to appeal to all audiences. It is also very abstract and focuses more on visual stroytelling, so that also isn't something that many people like. So it's completely okay and valid to not like the movie and to not resonate with it. People who say otherwise, are just immature and don't understand the concept of different people liking different things. It actually is a "the ones that get it, get it, the ones that don't, don't" type of movie, but not in a "you're too stupid to understand its' meaning" way, it's just really personal. I hope that I made you understend a different perspective than your own a bit more :) Not trying to make you like the movie, just trying to explain why so many people do like it. And I'm definitely not defending people who say "you just didn't get it" to sound cooler and feel more intelligent, I'm only talking about those who actually meant that it's not a story for everyone to resonate with and understand on a personal level. I'm really sorry for my bad English and all of the spelling mistakes. English is not my first language and I don't have autocorrect on, but I tried my best to write a comment that is easy to understand. Hope everyone who is reading this has a lovely day/night!