Oh, I was so relieved that I don't have to learn some strange sound that is apparently very difficult for a lot of people... and then I just produced it after reading this comment.
Thank you I can finally replicate this horrible sound when I rant about how horrible it is! Lol but deep down of course I love it, I only hate it because I could not understand it 😔
It drives me crazy when people use it for every single i sound - definitely have noticed it the most in teenage girls like you said. I call it the Stitch sound
Thanks for letting us know. As a someone who's just starting to learn Swedish, I literally thought I had to pronounce this sound for every single "I" hahaha
The voice in the Duolingo Swedish course pronounces the "i' like this, so that might be a reason why so many people are asking you about it! I also got a sore throat trying to pronounce it.
Well, it's a continuum. The Swedish "i" is realized in the front of the mouth making it sound more squeezed than an English ee sound. However, people often jump to conclusions that this has to be exaggerated a lot and it makes it "caricaturic".
The singer of Ramones uses buzzing "i" for some reason. That's the only time I hear it in english. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yCW7Aw8ugOI.html
Wow. I had noticed all sorts of different i and y sounds but I had never noticed that they buzzed, but I do think girls around my age (30s) or younger tend to really compress their Is and Ys, and by "compress" I mean it sounds sort of like they've sucked on helium but without the super high pitched thing... I've never really noticed a buzzing. But yeah I think a lot of people in every endeavour worry about things WAY about their level. Like I've never heard of it by name, and I'm probably more fluent than most people who haven't lived in Sweden... so yeah... more time reading and listening people!
You don't really have to buzz it, like I said in the video, keep down the buzzing but if you really want to try the sound, I think beginning with a voiced S will help.
Thank you! I was just watching a Swedish Netflix show (love and anarchy) and noticed the main character does this a lot and I hadn’t noticed the sound before. I tried searching what the sound is and it brought me here!
@@sayitinswedish I would like to have the sound first and the explanation later. You: I'm going to talk about a sound Me: Fast forward until I hear the sound.
It is also prevalent in Gothenburg. I remember in my first days here, I was in the process of leasing a car and the dealer would use that sound while he is talking to his buddy about my “bil”. I gathered some ball and asked him why the hell he made that weird non-standard sound. It took him a minute to realize what I am referring to, then he repeated it in the most annoying way to teach me I suppose 🤣🤣. The twist is: he looked Eastern European.
Even if that was a Native sound, sounding like a native is not my priority when learning a language. I prefer to focus on grammar and clear pronounciation (clear doesn't mean "like a native")
I've been living here in Sweden for about 9 months now, and man it's a tough language to learn. But the vibey-i is so bizarre! It seems to be used heavily on TV. I find it so strange that it often makes me lose track of concentrating on the sentence being spoken. It's really, really common on TV, particularly with females. The ingressive gasp is strange enough, but the vibey-i... man it's weird. I looked into it and even found scientific papers written up on it. I don't even try it.
I know it's not. I started hearing women using it in films . I learned to speak Swedish in the 60's and I only heard it in certain dialects. It is similar to the verbal fry in American English.
I think it's almost equivilant of vocal fry in valley girl american speak. I have a bizarre accent, having grown up in NZ with speaking swedish to my dad only, my english mother and learning latin at school lol
I fist heard this viby i in Love is Blind Sweden. I thought it was such a strange, unpleasant sound-like someone talking when they are gagging. I thought it was a normal part of Swedish.
Thank you for this video!🙏 I was one of the people who requested you explaining the pronunciation of i, I noticed that mostly girls do this here in Gothenburg.
I noticed this for the first time when I was watching Bonusfamiljen on Netflix. Bianca (the daughter did this), and my Swedish bf at the time didn't do it, neither did his parents or anyone else I met, and I was like, "what is that weird buzzing sound??"
What's funny is that I never heard this while in Stockholm, and even asked some Stockholmers about that sound and they weren't sure what I was talking about. Kind of funny. But my friend from Gothenburg does it all the time. I've tried and simply cannot do it.
Joakim will you try to do some swedish dialects impression videos next time? Would like to know further about dialectal differences in sweden like people in Skåne doesnt have a thrilled-"R" sound and people in Göteborg always end their phrases with "-eller?!" And people in Varmland sounds very much like almost Norwegian and so on😄
Glad to know I don't have to learn how to make this sound, but I also have to say that this "i" sound is something I really love about the Swedish language! Anyway... You're just amazing, grazie❤️
I pretty familiar with Norwegian so I was excited to watch Love is Blind Sverige but there were a couple women making this sound EVERY sentence and it was driving me insane. Thank you for explaining this.
I’m not even studying Swedish but have noticed this mildly when watching Swedish shows. But I just finished watching Baracuda Queens and it was SO prominent I had to google “what the F is this weird Swedish throat sound” And how funny because the show features rich teen girls ! Honestly it’s a relief I don’t need to make this sound if I ever want to study Swedish. It’s kinda gross sounding. Love this video - it’s awesome and spot on!
So, that's like the Turkish i-without-the-i-dot, they have an extra letter for that, together with the "normal" i with the dot. I noticed that already in the 1990s, but the Swedes I met then (in Southern Sweden) did not know how to explain that to me, they did not use it. But on SVT it was there very often ...
Ah I have never been able to make this sound! As I'm learning Swedish, I've heard this from so many Swedes, it always sounded so nasal to me! I also can't do a rolling "r", but it's easy to manage without.
I have a fairly recent video on how you don't really need to roll the "r". Check it out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B3hXRMlyTWo.html
I'm so glad I found this!! I thought I was going crazy. One thing: it would be super helpful if you made at least a whole sentence using the sound. Then it really has a chance to come across! 😉
People have heard the sound so many times I just wanted to explain this. A lot of people think that the regular long i is difficult, but it's a continuum and the extreme variant is not required to be able to make.
@@sayitinswedish The information you provided was very helpful! I'm so glad I'm not the only one being put off by this sound (hate to criticize anyone's accent but hey, I've heard many Swedes make fun of Danish, time for balance😅.) But at least one full sentence showing what you're talking about in the language you're talking about is always very clarifying imho.
The sound is standard to my Swedish. A lot of the materials I used to learn had this sound in them and I learned to use it. My partner cannot make this sound and will be happy to know it’s not necessary! :)
It's a spectrum. Learners usually exaggerate it and some Swedes do. However, it's still on the spectrum of the regular i sound, that's why it sounds standard to you.
I spend 3-6 months in a rural farming in the Kopparberg area and everyone has the vibe-y i to some degree, more common with women. I hear it in TV talk shows, regular TV, movies, basically everywhere. Most people I hang out with are over 30, mostly over 60. I have no contact with under 30’s. You're the first Swedish language RU-vidr that rags on the sound that it's a poser thing to do. I've asked my friends about it and they have no idea what I'm talking about, they're unaware that they're making the sound.
Never said it's a poser thing to do. But foreigners think it's required to sound Swedish which it isn't. You can sound Swedish without it and the more extreme version sounds weird even to Swedes.
I love the Stockholmska i.. As a talare of Swedish som undra språk, Swedish vowel are difficult to differentiate.. Så when I use it for my i's, I feel it makes it cleared what word I'm trying to say.. I know I don't have to do it.. I sound more rikssvenska.. I still use it..
Thank you so much for explaining this, I got so frustrated hearing it in lessons and I had no idea how or why to use it. I'm happy to just ignore it from now on.
I like the long /i:/ in swedish, but not this "very strong compressed" version you presented in this video 😂😂 it's a very exaggerated version to me. The version I like is just a little bit different than a normal long /i:/ , as you explained: a more open /i:/ but without buzz 😂
I love the sociolinguistic aspects of this; now I might have to learn Swedish just so I can annoy people with a buzzing I. :-) It almost sounds like the Swedish version of the “Valley Girl” speech or the Turkish “Tiki” kids. Kids affecting a sound that they think makes them sound more hip or upper class. Born with a silver spiiin in their mouths. :-)
I sound very weird when I talk a lot and my Russian accent gets out of control😂 and in combo with this ”I” and skånish ”å” (öa) cause I live in Malmö. Omg 🙈that doesn’t sound good at all😂So ur absolutely right 😂
Say It In Swedish I’m trying to work on it. But sometimes it comes naturally because most of my friends and teachers at university speak skånish. 🙈 Söa de e lide svöart för maj😂😂😂
Sounds like the Korean eu ㅡ, the Japanese u and the Mandarin i (in some phonemes), the sound people make when they feel gross about something, it's almost like a schwa but with a narrow lips that shapes like when pronounced an I.
i remember first figuring out how to pronounce it and using it with practically every word but then i listen to northerners and barely say it these days lmao
I'm so glad it's non-standard cuz I find it grating on the ear. That and the way people from Skåne do something like a Danish stød. The thing that irks me to this degree in English is uptalking or High Rising Terminal (HRT) amongst the linguists. It tends to get associated with dumb valley girls from California but has become more widespread and it makes people sound really stupid imho.
Even as far up north as Västerbotten, young teenage girls use that horrible sound. They try to sound as upper-class as they possibly can. So frustrating to listen to. 😑 I think a thick Swedish accent when someone speaks English is about as ugly as English can get - but this is a complete nightmare 😱
A sound I have trouble with is the -rg sound at the end of words like berg or arg. I dont know if it's just me but I cant really figure out what's happening there. Doesnt really sound like Barry or Arry. Something happens with the "r" that I dont know. Maybe I'm thinking about it too much.
Nothing happens with the r sound but the j is a half-vowel so it's not exactly like -rry although you come pretty close with that. It's the same sound as the y in yolk for instance.
I was wondering if that was the sound made by the young blond woman on SVT Rapport. She's really emphatic about the I sound. I was thinking, "how am I going to learn that?"
The buzzing "I" Stockholmers make is totally different from the buzzing "I" locals on the Swedish west coast uses. Stockholmers pronunciate the "I" in the front of their mouth, while people from Bohuslän articulate it in the back of the mouth. 🙂
Please don't use this if you're trying to make friends from traditional working class areas. Particularly in the north. It's a sure fire way to get "norrlänningar" to think you are from "fjöllträsk"..
Thanks for letting me know. ;__; I have family in Värmland, who none of them making that i-sound, and I couldn't explain to them what I've been hearing on the TV (those who were making the Viby-i)... My attempts that trying to produce this sound was hilarious to them. LMAO
Thank goodness! I've actually not only had problems with this sound, but had extreme difficulty not even knowing what to call it when asking my spouse (a native Smålandian) about it. You just saved us a ton of time on "you know, THAT sound!" "What sound?!?!?"
Jag funderade så pass jätte ofta på den här "I sound". Är det har bara helt enkelt den rätta "I sound"?? Lyckligtvis är det inte sant och övar jag inte på den så här än, men jag tycker lite om "ljudet" ;-). Tack för förklaringen!!
For some reason, when I started learning Swedish, I would always pronounce "precis" with that i. My friends got a kick out of that since I was learning västgötska mainly :') no idea where that came from!
A Man called Ove and Bonus family (which is a series). I unfortunately don’t have any additional suggestions, but I can’t wait to hear what others recommend!
Hey guys, as you asked for some Swedish movies and tv series to watch, I suggest you to watch one of my favorite ones, "Låt den rätte komma in" (Let the right one in), it's a beautiful movie!
is the é a swedish letter? i'm seeing it sometimes in names but it's not in an alphabet... i'm confused wait is the é the same letter you talked about in the video
This womans accent brought me here. Its was so jarring I thought it might be like a faux news reporter accent ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1728eCJA2GI.html
Hahaha I think in many languages there is that “wealthy sound” that some people use and sounds annoying... so I totally get you haha also in Italian sounds strange when not native speakers (I am not a native speaker) try to use the dialects...at least sounds weird to me
Yeah, using dialects seriously, when starting out, can sound out of place. However, it's different if the person actually lives in the area and gets influenced by its native speakers.
After watching Vikings: Valhalla and suffering throug Freydis's horrible english, I googled some stuff and stumbled upon this video. Can't you please call that actor and teach her how not to sound so horribly awful, or otherwise prevent her from ever speaking english again?
Some of my Swedish relatives do this, I thought it was just dialect but now I want to know if they're just trying to sound posh. I can't do it for the life of me, no problem with sk/sj ironically.
No, I don't think they're trying anything. It's a continuum and the less extreme version is very much a part of every day life. Foreigners tend to overdo it or complain about not being able to do it and it's not really required.
I swear I hear this horrible sound every single time I hear someone speak Swedish and it makes me mad but I also can't help but be fascinated by it, I hate it but I love hating it and pointing explaining it to my Norwegian friend who doesn't know what I'm talking about 😭
