Don't Make this Mistake in Deeper Stages of Realization 

When someone has never liked what they have seen themselves to be or has spent an entire lifetime constructing a seemingly acceptable self only to be led ultimately to inordinate suffering it becomes so alluring to get to the next logical step that is well there is no self and what a relief! Meanwhile the patterns habits and conditioning exists. They will be dealt with at some point. I can't tell you how more affirming it is to listen to someone who speaks the truth and does not sell something which just becomes another onion peel. The deep revelation that a seperate self has never and will never exist is a comforting reality that allows one finally to deal with shadows on an equal basis. With truth understanding and compassion. I have work to do and it is so much easier done with the help of someone who helps shine a steady light. Thank you Angelo.

Ramana Maharshi : Keep your mind still. That is enough. The aim of all practices is to give up all practices. When the mind becomes still, the power of the Inner Self will be EXPERIENCED. The waves of the Inner Self are pervading everywhere. If the mind is in peace, one begins to experience them.

You have a very kind and direct way of pointing out the pitfalls of the "direct" approach that can give one a false sense of having arrived but destabilizing who, where and what "I" was.

Thank you for putting this out there. In the past I've been discouraged and triggered by realized folks that go on and on about how "there's no process you can do that will change anything," and "meditation doesn't do anything," etc; those are pretty unhelpful. Those kinds of comments seem to come from those in location 4 (In Jeffrey Martin's Finder framework).

This one goes to the quality of sincerity which in some daoist writings is considered the main characteristic for awakening. A ruthless seeking of truth leaving no stone unturned.

I’ve been contemplating doing a 4 hour meditation event coming up with a (spiritual advisor) and deciding I’m not seeking anything anymore. Then thought really stepped in and said Go, you never know who you’ll meet. So the lonely person is seeking people with a common interest, perhaps that’s why I like to converse with random people across the world on this channel too.

The nondual honeymoon is a pure and blessed relief...it's ecstacy and bliss!. And then the work begins 😂😂

I really wish I had this video 12 years ago when I had my initial shift. Because even though I shifted, ofcourse The world around continued, and I felt I didnt know What to do besides cling on to The carousel. Only this time with more detachment which made me not present and therefore not happy. The work you do is of such importance!

Awakening has been a meaningful experience. Yet there is a physical body, and I don’t sit in the backseat while driving; and my grocery list and basket generally correlates.

It landed and I appreciate the reminder.

So true. Jeff Foster has a great video about “neo-advaita stink” called The Advaita Trap 1: Absolute and Relative Confusion - the Cartoon.

The post-awakening shadow work is a process, and a beneficial one, of healing the emotional body on a day-to-day level. We may lighten the load, cleaning the house...it's OK.. .but. :-) You are now invested in your little self on a daily basis, and you walk working through "STUFF"! This process is actually very different from aligning to our higher consciousness - that is ALWAYS THERE waiting for a moment of silence of our mind to take us on the ride of our life. 😀

This one goes to the quality of sincerity which in some daoist writings is considered the main characteristic for awakening. A ruthless seeking of truth leaving no stone unturned. I've had ongoing conversations with people who take that "nothing to do" position and the conversation inevitably goes sideways because that blanket statement leaves no room for inquiry or process. It's an alloplastic defense and makes conversation very unpleasant. Also it makes their vibe feel quite toxic which speaks more clearly about their (lack of) realization than any verbal acrobatics.

Thanks! This is super helpful! I have just realised that my egoic structure felt inadequate all its existence and the awakening gave a way out because it equalises self and other so it could construct a way to feel equal. There is work to do! And part of that work is to see that there is no doer! Ive signed up for your online retreat but if there is something you recommend for right now, im all ears 👂👂👂 (no self, just ears 😂. Such a bad joke so apologies and no apologies in advance 🤣)

Thank you, I appreciate how you constantly point back the way on every video, and your precise usage of words. The mind sneakily creates subtle beliefs which don't seem like beliefs, such as clinging to the idea that there is no self, seeing it as being "The Truth", based on the interpretation/thought of some past experience.

Nisargadatta Maharaj: Love says "I am everything". Wisdom says "I am nothing". Between the two, my life flows. Neti, Neti. Not this, not this, is a wonderful practice. And through negation it is Realized that we are the Totality in a focal point! Connected to it all, and Aware that the mental patterns attached to a body, is only a very small aspect of who we are.

This ties in nicely with your previous vid on abiding in non-abiding, and the final fixations of the path of awakening itself, as being a subtle belief. It also ties in nicely with a vid you did on the awareness trap, where you mentioned that the doctrine (neo advaita) could itself be taken on, in lieu of *actual* awakening (fundamental shift in perception/what you take yourself to be.) You describe awakening as a lived experience, realized only directly in experience. The description is not the awakening, nor the subtle belief in a theoretical paradigm. It's been described as being intimate; a vivid aliveness. You mentioned Adya pointed out that many teachers teach non-duality in a way that is starkly dualistic; namely, that there's awareness separate from everything else. Awareness becomes another subtle thought: awareness apart from the seen, the sound... Awareness and then everything else. There is just sensation. The world/reality/this is felt via perceiving. Just sensation being felt. Even saying this is too much. I guess the pivotal thing to note, for me, is never to settle for anything but your own direct experiential shift/insights/realizations. Map/Territory 💛☺️✨🙏

This is a good reminder yeah! Gotta be humble and honest with yourself, even as you start to get into deep realizations. I'm struggling with something maybe slightly related at the moment. There are episodes where it feels like something impersonal is trying to come through me and make me do its bidding. I. e. finding fault with the way humanity is headed and questioning the status quo, wanting to stir unrest and wake people up from this technocratic matrix we're getting sucked into deeper and deeper. I tried to deconstruct this entity by seeing through it, but I viscerally recoiled as it showed me an incomprehensible vision. Is this my shadow?

As usual very on point. Love this background 😍

The doer is Nature. After Awakening, if you haven't dispelled the inevitable confusions beforehand, one will find answers in the traditional knowledge of Advaita Vedanta, or if one is so inclined, Buddhist traditions. The knowledge deepens one's experience and serves to calm the mind in the work one may have remaining.

I think it's also easy to be fooled by listening to teachers who think that the've gone through deeper stages of realization than thet actually have. The concept of No-Self points to different locations (see Jeffery Martin's The Finders / Martin Matrix) depending on the teacher. What I think Angelo talks about here is a deep and fundamental shift which is the real deal, and will scare anyone. Jed McKenna points to this as Enlightenment, or Nondual-Awareness.

Thank you! What do you suggest for people who feel like they are still the doer of daily basis like studying or moving the body?

Thank you Angelo, you continue to help me hugely....I haven't had a shift, i havent woken up, and sometimes i despair of the waterfalls of drivel that are my thoughts, but I know (in my heart)? or have a knowing, that there is really no separate me, and that identity is a sham....yet i feel like your videos point me to a deeper awareness of inauthenticity and shadow work, and that has subtle but profound changes for me, slwly opening up or chipping away. Or maybe im kidding myself ....doing shadow work isnt waking up but its something?

You always say exactly what I need to hear

Everything Everywhere All at Once

Thanks I'm glad you talked about this here :)

Thank you ☺️

Thanks for the video! Any specific thoughts on how to deal with feelings and thought identification of guilt for something you did immorally, which in afterthought happened because of both parts "there's no one to do something bad to" and partly because of alcohol consumption, when even after I did what I could to fix whatever could be fixed, the thought identification to the guilt keeps happening all the time? It's the first time I've felt so much suffering, especially knowing that suffering for thought identification does not make me better or less immoral, and nevertheless I keep stuck in this self-blaming loop.

The deepening of self-realization is that there isn’t a doer, and never was one, all it appearances of what seems to be happening, playing out, is happening entirely on its own and following its own law.

One of your best vids. Thanks for this

Thanks, great one. ❤

Do what you cannot not do. There is no doer that is done nor is there a doer that is not done.

Excellent message 🙏🤍🕊

Thank you

Oh totally, as a matter of fact life was just waiting for this video to be uploaded so that it could finally get to know how to live itself properly 👌🏼🎣🥕

Thinking one step is realizing construct my own identity. A second step is convincing all involved of that constructed identity.

This is why I say that I'm a shitty buddhist. I know some words and concepts, but what??? I had some drive by empowerments from some very good lamas who were lured to stop in here in "fly-over country." I had quite a collection and texts to go with them. Then I got the "pointing out" from Lama Wangdor!!! I knew for a few minutes, then went right back to conceptualization ever after. Yeah yeah nature of mind, bla bla tatthagatgarbha, yada yada whatever. It's okay.

Good stuff.

Thank you 🙏

Thanks for bringing this up! It is a very popular misunderstanding to negate everything into nothing, and play a funny game. What you are saying here is a very important Teaching. Could you address how Awareness is brought into your daily role in work, and living in the world? Thank you

Perfect 🙏

I’ve been sensing this recently having felt more and more disconnected over the past year as a result of these neo advaita teachings. There has been this desire for reclaiming this unique expression of God that I am and exploring reality through this lens as an individual, with the knowing that I am not separate. Do you have a video on the next part? The down and in that you mentioned? The words spiritual descent have been with me for a while, perhaps an intuitive awareness of what you’re describing here? Would love to know more. Thank you

No self freed me to to address my own bullshit without getting too butthurt about it, casue it ain’t about me anymore.

I don't have any deep realisation, but I understand one thing. If I love you, and it matter for you, it will matter for me. If it's real for you, it is also real for me. Do you agree ?

Thanks

What does it mean to have a shadow after awakening? For Jung the goal is bring the unconscious into consciousness, but it seems thoroughly dualistic; that there is always an ego and the ego is what evolves through integration of the unconscious. I ask because in my truth I am accepting only something integral, and not extreme or exclusive like neo-vedanta or any spiritual path alone. In my experience, I feel that it is a shadow part itself that seeks to extinguish the ego, especially with a certain condemning tone. When I look into that part, I see something desperate for escape. With compassion towards it, it surrenders its control. But what am I left with? It seems like anything, if I let myself take sides, or nothing if I don't. If shadow work is important as you say, then is there not simply everything in all of the universe to be integrated? Both condemnation of the ego, and love towards it? A "yes" to everything which includes every "no"?

Good title 😂 it works cause it made me wonder and I had to click

Please just let me move in with you for a couple wks!!!

What do you mean it doesn't reverse? Maybe for some, but for most, reversal takes place, until it doesn't.

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Theres a lot of that on RU-vid.

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how do i orient towards the down and in lol

Enlightened beings can choose to sit in a cave for eternity, or they can choose to contribute to reducing suffering in the world. The bodhisattvas took this path...we can too.

I would like to hear more of your teaching, but these moving backgrounds are an overload for me.

It’s still 0:0 and no one wins

Angelo, would you ever consider interviewing someone like Tony or Jim? Their interviews in the past they basically just shut-down the interviewer over and over again with the absolute non-dual nothing talk, it's actually kind of funny to watch. I am curious how someone like yourself would navigate an interview like that.

Around the 5-min mark you're saying "making yourself miserable or making others miserable". But if "no-self" is fundamentally true, then "no others" is also true. And while making "myself" miserable still makes *some* sort of (solipsistic) sense (because "I" can definitely verify "my own" emotions), making others miserable seems to make zero sense. I've seen you flowing from duality to non-duality and usually I can follow and see where you're coming from, but in this one it feels like you're making a huge concession to the separate self 😉 Is it that -- a concession -- or am I missing something? (and there are actually others whom I could make miserable!) This is not technical nitpicking but coming from a very personal place: especially the last several years of my life it feels like 95% (at least) of my misery seems to come from this sense that I'm ignoring/disappointing/ghosting/hurting people, and the accompanying self-judgement, guilt/shame and even self-hatred I suspect. So in this apparent journey I've been trying to sort of figure out if that's actually been true or if I should just stop giving a shit because this is all illusory and I'm not really guilty of anything!

People who say that there is nobody here and nothing to do always refer to activities such as meditation, inquiry, emotional work, prayer, etc. However, they never say that when it's time to get their salary. Then of course, there is someone there. Or when it's time to have sex with their spouse. I can assure them that there are plenty of EXISTING men out there who would gladly take their place in bed

No-self contains "self" It's an oxymoron

That Zen stank gotta go

Thanks for this Angelo. Timely, as I have been thinking, I had a glimpse last week, and then just today I have been wrestling with a resistance pattern with my wife, where I feel a transactional essence of our relationship. As I am sitting with it, and I can feel it is a resistance pattern, and it clearly shows its source of separateness… Some thing I need from her. And I’m definitely glad I see it and have the space to not react to it and make our lives miserable because I’m upset about some thing I feel she owes me, but it definitely shows that if I did truly get a glimpse there’s a whole lot more work to do. ❤

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