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Don't Split Bees In The Same Apiary Until You Do This!
In this comprehensive tutorial, we'll guide you through the process of splitting a beehive. Splitting a beehive is a common practice in beekeeping and involves creating two separate hives from one. This can be done for a variety of reasons, including to prevent overcrowding, to increase the number of hives, or to prevent swarming.
We'll start by discussing the best time to split a hive and the equipment you'll need. Then we'll walk you through the steps of preparing the new hive, including setting up frames, adding foundation, and transferring bees. We'll also show you how to locate the queen bee and make sure she's properly transferred to the new hive.
We'll cover the different methods of splitting a hive, including the walk-away split, the double-screen split, and the split board method. We'll explain the pros and cons of each method and help you choose the one that's best for your situation.
Additionally, we'll share tips on how to manage the new hives after the split, including feeding and monitoring for queen acceptance. We'll also discuss how to prevent issues like robbing and swarming.
This video is perfect for beekeepers of all levels, from beginners to experienced beekeepers looking to expand their beekeeping skills. With our detailed instructions and practical advice, you'll be able to successfully split your beehive and create healthy, thriving hives. So, join us and let's get started!
Making Beehive Splits - Splitting Bees In The Same Apiary - How to Split a Beehive - Making Splits with Bees
In this video I am splitting bees in the same apiary. I show you how to split a beehive and continue my series on making splits with bees.
Splitting hives with a new queen, splitting hive in spring or splitting hives in the same apiary is an easy manipulation but you need to follow some key steps that are detailed in this video.
When splitting a beehive or making splits, you always need to ensure the beehive split is hopelessly queenless before the queen is released from her cage.
Splitting a hive into a nuc can be done in the same apiary or you can take the nucleus colony of bees to another apiary where they will re-orientate.
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@bettybogda4819
@bettybogda4819 2 года назад
Too much talking! No way! The more the better in my opinion.
@ASousaMakesIt
@ASousaMakesIt Год назад
You don't talk to much, you explain the process properly. I'm new to beekeeping and I'm going over all your videos because they are great!!! Thank you for the excellent content! Cheers from Portugal!
@greghamilton889
@greghamilton889 3 года назад
Dunno who says you talk to much. You just describe everything really well.
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Thanks Greg. I get letters in the post 📫
@greghamilton889
@greghamilton889 3 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney don't pay attention to them. Genuinely best part of your vids is how well you explain everything slowly. Certainly why I recommend you to newbies. I swear people complain for the sake of complaining.
@nabooshaman6107
@nabooshaman6107 2 года назад
Hi Laurence. If was being picky, you do sometimes waffle a bit and repeat yourself. I really like your videos, the information and how you present it. Some simple attention to editing out of repetition is all you need to do to slightly improve on what are already excellent videos. (IM very HO). (I don't think this particular vid. had much waffle in it.)
@muddyfunker3014
@muddyfunker3014 Год назад
You most definitely don't talk too much. You're engaging and what you're saying is incredibly helpful certainly for me, a beginner in the UK. So grateful for this channel 👍🏻
@Alitotheg
@Alitotheg 3 года назад
Awesome video, just what I wanted to watch, thanks
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@climb315
@climb315 2 года назад
Why if the bees will try to Sting/ball the qeen? P.s: there is nothing wrong with talking! Just more info! Thank you wery much! All the best to you from Europe :)
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
Thanks David. They will try to kill the new queen until they realise they have no capability to create a queen of their own. Then they will accept
@climb315
@climb315 2 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney thank you wery much for your reply. So if the bees try to sting/ball the Queen you simply just let the queen in the hive...Wait 7 days...remove emergency cels..then open the tap on the cage...
@texascowgirl319
@texascowgirl319 2 года назад
This is a great video. I’ve really enjoyed all of your videos. Keep up the great content!! Oh and by the way, I don’t think you talk to too much.
@eliinthewolverinestate6729
@eliinthewolverinestate6729 2 года назад
I did a split this year. They had built queen chambers. Took a couple of frames and a few hand fulls of bees. That I fanned into a ball in my hand. Find out here in few weeks when we got to camp on Labor day weekend (U.S.) I only moved them 100 yards but did lock them up for 48 hours. I only harvest once a year to make room. Lazutin hives I build with free wood and hives fit 17 Lazurin frames. Taking care of the bee's is easy. Honey is a lot of work.
@LukeTelff
@LukeTelff 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for this Video. So much appreciated information and all the planning and editing that goes into it and always having to reset everything up ever 8 days to film and explain. Thanks from Northern Canada.
@rstlr01
@rstlr01 2 года назад
Went from 2 to 6 Apiaries this winter going to have one four-way pallet at 5 locations and mating yard dead center of them. Hopefully this gets me some well-mated Queens.
@maggiescrase5667
@maggiescrase5667 2 года назад
Hi - New beekeeper with a Hyde Hives 2 colony long hive. Could I use this approach using the second hive instead of a nucleus box?
@etiennelabeille
@etiennelabeille 3 года назад
The foraging bees will return to the original hive (if you do nothing to confuse them) but the nurse bees will stay put on the brood. Does it matter that you now have just mostly nurse bees?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
No issue. They promote them a little faster to go out and forage. As long as they are well fed they resume normal business within a few days
@etiennelabeille
@etiennelabeille 3 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney Thanks. Great to follow your instructions and understand better.
@25221043
@25221043 2 года назад
What is the earliest time of year you would attempt to split if you were trying to boost your number of colonies ? cheers
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
End April/early May
@XV24
@XV24 Год назад
This is excellent free content- Talk too much? Some people complain too much!! One question for anyone- Can I use a new brood box instead of a nuc? Is brood box too big?
@JOSIANGREENVLOGS
@JOSIANGREENVLOGS 2 года назад
Super video.Does it mean that queen bee is released after 14 days.I. too a beekeeper from India.Thanks in advance.
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
It depends when you add her. If you add her on day 0, it's day 10 she is released but you can add on day 8 and release on day 10 - she is then only caged for 48hrs
@BeaverZer0
@BeaverZer0 4 месяца назад
Splitting in your own apiary is fine you just won't get a lot of forragers staying in the split unless you swap it with the other ones position. They will assign new forragers. If you do it on a poor weather day they won't fly much either and you can keep them in the hive.
@glynisreynolds446
@glynisreynolds446 2 года назад
I watched a video earlier this year about splitting colonies in the same apiary which suggested semi blocking the entrance by piling twiggy/leafy sticks in front of it, and because I only have one apiary I thought I’d give it a go 🤔 I did try it a few times, blocking the bees in until evening then piling conifer branches in front of the unblocked entrance and I actually think it seemed to work 🤔🤔 I’m going to try it again next season - well I can’t do anything else really 🤷‍♀️
@craigjackson6450
@craigjackson6450 2 года назад
Great video, and one I will most certainly follow myself. But one thing has confused me - in the beginning you turned the nuc so that the entrance was facing the opposite direction to the original hive (turned it away from the camera). I get that, it confuses the bees, makes sense. But in the end of the video, the entrance was once again facing the original direction (facing the camera). So what happened there?
@Jim26D
@Jim26D Год назад
I think they already accepted the queen at that point so they would be orientated to hive and wouldn't leave to the old one
@MrAaroncornish
@MrAaroncornish 3 года назад
Great video Laurence. Does it matter if you add frames with eggs on? Most of my brood frames have some eggs.
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Eggs BIAS is fine. Just want as much capped/emerging brood as possible
@TheBritishbeeman
@TheBritishbeeman Год назад
If I do a walk away split then put the split where the hive was that I took the frames from to make the split. Will the original hive with the queen I moved be ok ? I’m new to the hobby so might sound like a silly question
@won2winit
@won2winit 2 года назад
Laurence when I did this I turned the original hive through 180% and put the nuc behind it facing in the original direction so they got the foragers returning as I knew the parent hive would have plenty of bees to take over.
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
Its a good move but I much prefer to judge how many to add and them move them away. Your method certainly stocks them up really well though. Great tip, John
@won2winit
@won2winit 2 года назад
Great if you don't have a queen to add so they have the foragers to pile in the pollen for creating royal jelly. Video idea for next year.....
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
@@won2winit Mmm, its not actually the foragers you need. You need very young nurse bees. Cant beat the 10/10 method for royal jelly and starting queens
@won2winit
@won2winit 2 года назад
Once I convert my Paynes box's to 8 frames will give that a go...
@nabooshaman6107
@nabooshaman6107 2 года назад
I think foragers will be less accepting of a new queen, in comparison to having a colony stocked with as yet non-flying nurse bees.
@robtalliss
@robtalliss 3 года назад
If only I had seen this yesterday before I did a split with the queen from you 😂😂. Hopefully it’ll be ok, the new nuc is about 8m from the hive it’s split from but does face the same way. Pleased to see this morning orientation flights outside the nuc. I’d been planning leaving the 👸🏼 three days before breaking the tab but looks as if I need to leave a few extra days. I have frame of brood, frame of stores and brood and a drawn frame and three foundation. Do you think I need to feed to encourage them to draw out the foundation?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Entrance direction isnt a massive issue. Just will still get drift. Wait until they have settled down and then feed syrup. If you do it straight away, the returning bees just rob out the nuc and you get left with nothing.
@robtalliss
@robtalliss 3 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney Thanks, I was thinking of adding syrup today, might leave until tomorrow then.
@MattEMaddock
@MattEMaddock 3 года назад
Perfect timing, having been wondering if I can do this! Done it today as I’ve got a very strong colony to split, and one empty nuc that’s recently been destroyed by wasps. Popped a couple of frames in the destroyed one along with a queen from yourselves, fingers crossed!
@StonewallJackson-n8w
@StonewallJackson-n8w 5 месяцев назад
What kind of wasps can destroy a bee hive ? My bees will attack yellow jackets. But I'm in Texas.
@climb315
@climb315 2 года назад
I simply love your videos and all that extra details!!
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
Thanks David. Glad you like the videos and extra details 😀
@TheBritishbeeman
@TheBritishbeeman 2 года назад
Grate videos mate 👌🏽 about if I haven’t got a mated queen to put into a spit ? Will they just make there own queen cheers
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
Yep. They certainly will. In this instance I'd put the mated queen into the nuc and let the original colony raise emergency cells to requeen
@g.morris570
@g.morris570 2 года назад
Loved this video ! Every thing said is important and usefully! I did a split last summer and you explained 2 things I observed.. small number of bees left in the nuc and a introduced queen geting balled when I opened the nuc to check on the queen on day 3.. thank you for content like this. I built a queen castle this winter& I am looking forward to trying that this coming season.
@headbangingzuluuk5058
@headbangingzuluuk5058 3 года назад
Great vid buddy any sign of the Langstroth vs National vid yet plz . Cheers
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Cheers HBZUK. Still working on that one. Need to get my hands on a Lang wooden hive. Will probably be one for overwinter. Ill defo it one though. Its on my list :D
@oneshoo
@oneshoo 3 года назад
Outstanding video Laurence! Great explanation of “drift”. Once the queen is laying do you reverse the entrance or keep it facing the same way?? 👍
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
I just keep it the same way as it is
@soupvis2616
@soupvis2616 2 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney An old beekeeper told me that if the queen fly away she will come back to the same place , you have to let your box open for 15 min or so ...
@tomllewellyn4189
@tomllewellyn4189 2 месяца назад
Great video... even if you don't have another apiary there are sometimes places you can put a nuc for a few days while they accept a new queen. I sometimes use my allotment for this. Seems to work well. Then when they have accpeted a new queen I bring them back to the old site and the bees then seem to keep full allegiance to the new colony. And don;t go back to the old colony and if they do the old colony rejects them anyway.
@robbartels7786
@robbartels7786 5 месяцев назад
I am inexperienced and have been hesitant to do splits vs buying package bees. Question: why move the new nuc rather than moving the queened colony? It seems like the established and laying queen can regain momentum more quickly in the new location. It also seems that the nuc would benefit from the workers continuing to serve the established location. Thoughts? Thanks ... great video
@russdean6598
@russdean6598 3 года назад
Great video.. Laurence would I get less drift if placed nuc opposite sides of the apiary, furthest away and opposite entrances.
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Doesn't really make a massive difference. Any bees that will drift will do so regardless of where they are placed in the apiary. Just put them where it suits you.
@martenapperloo1055
@martenapperloo1055 3 года назад
Were these mated queen's that you put in their, or did they have to go on a mating flight
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
mated queens
@davemetcalfe9800
@davemetcalfe9800 2 месяца назад
I am a small scale keeper with one apiary, if I can organise a second apiary what distance between them is needed……..
@bluelab5019
@bluelab5019 3 года назад
As a matter of interest. If I make a split and take it to a mates apiary 10 miles away, how long do I have to leave it there before I can bring it back and the bees not realise they used to live there and not go back to the original hive?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
A good 4-6 weeks. The longer you leave it, the fewer will drift back once they return. Surprisingly, if you do it all over a weekend (tried this) you still get drift back to doner hive even after the bees have reorientated to a new location
@bluelab5019
@bluelab5019 3 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney lovely, thank you👍👍
@Awapiaries
@Awapiaries Год назад
How do you avoid robbing with splitting in the same apiary?
@simbobcrafts4843
@simbobcrafts4843 6 месяцев назад
Do you know how to transfer bees from a national to a langstroth hive?
@veragiles981
@veragiles981 3 года назад
So informative!! Thanks!
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Glad it was useful 👍
@DZ-wp1di
@DZ-wp1di 2 года назад
Well made.
@vytbbb7146
@vytbbb7146 2 года назад
is it bad to leave some eggs and make them develop a new queen in the same apiary?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
I'm not a fan of this. Dont like queens from emergency cells but that's just my view. Better to offer them a fully grafted cell
@vytbbb7146
@vytbbb7146 2 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney what are the downsides of emergency cells? Aren't grafted queens made from the same principle?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
@@vytbbb7146 You control the nutrition in grafted cells plus they don't have a 90 kink in them. Emergency cells are made under the Emergency impulse. Grafted cells are made under with swarming or supersedure impluse
@vytbbb7146
@vytbbb7146 2 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney thanks
@arronbwabw504
@arronbwabw504 8 месяцев назад
Hi, I'm working in my back garden! Rather than use a Nuc for the split, will it be an issue if I use a new 2nd hive for the split?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 8 месяцев назад
No it's fine. Just use a dummy board to make it a bit easier for them. Insulated one even better. Super simple and cheap to make
@mer-oneralphjr.bolinto6515
@mer-oneralphjr.bolinto6515 Год назад
how about a walk away split in the same apiary?
@aprilbatley9265
@aprilbatley9265 2 года назад
Question: i do have one hive currently it was a unexpected bee removal from January. Live in south ms and have a mentor. Its been warm, cold, nice, rainy, etc. im stating to think that its been too early with not enough consecutive warm dry days to turn the bees kinda from winter mood to spring mood and thats why they havent drawn out any of the new black plastic wax coated frame yet still only using some of the original comb i stuck in the hive. My question is, could there be any truth in my assumption?????
@Jim26D
@Jim26D Год назад
How about if you don't have a mated queen for the split? Should they just raise one from the eggs in the split?
@stevefox8948
@stevefox8948 3 года назад
Great demo thanks
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
thanks Steve
@robertholdsworth4498
@robertholdsworth4498 3 года назад
Nice video
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Thanks Robert 😀 Glad you enjoyed it
@anthonyhill2455
@anthonyhill2455 Год назад
Where did the mated queens come from ?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney Год назад
blackmountainhoney.co.uk
@joshuafreeman889
@joshuafreeman889 2 года назад
Why not just let the emergency cells run their course and not introduce a new queen in a cage? Is it just quicker?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
Quicker, safer, more reliable and greater control over genetics. Walk away splits are fine though - all down to personal preference.
@thewarrepath4516
@thewarrepath4516 2 года назад
Why not let these bees in the split raise their own queen?
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад
I am not a fan of queens formed via the emergency impulse.
@hannahmontoyalazar5533
@hannahmontoyalazar5533 2 года назад
@@BlackMountainHoney thanks for sharing!! Loved the video
@pottyplotter2462
@pottyplotter2462 3 года назад
Excellent video as usual Lawrence Where I am there's not a great deal of forage now, and haven't any drawn brood comb, I know I will have to feed syrup but really worried about the attention my nucs are getting from wasp's. Do you do anything different when the wasp's are so determined. One of the nucs are really struggling at the moment, constant attack by wasp's. Thank you for any advice 🐝🐝🐝
@BlackMountainHoney
@BlackMountainHoney 3 года назад
Thanks PP. Can feed fondant if the syrup is attracting wasps. If they are getting really bad then trapping may be the only solution. Waspbanes are excellent 👌
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