Donnie Yen vs Darren Shahlavi in the film IP MAN 2 (2010) 

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I agree

what ? he is dead?

@@nat0106951 no

@@thomasnguyen7714 Yes

His portrayal of Twister evoked hate and that’s justifies his brilliant acting.

I believe it, most actors that play the scary bad guy are actually some of the most friendliest people

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RIP

It's not so hard to believe.. Movies and real life xD

Least it seemed like he enjoy his time, sad seeing people pass so soon.

It's a lot more convincing, plus his strategy of hitting the arms to tire the boxer out is brilliant.

In real life, that boxer would have demolished him, even if he kept the gloves on.

@julien mihawk If you think that, then you don't know boxing lol. Irl a boxer built like Twister vs someone small like Donnie Yen, the boxer would win for sure.

@julien mihawk I didn't feel I needed to explain experience and skill to you, since he's a boxer with obvious experience and skill. These men are in two different weight classes first off, so if a trained boxer were to get a good hit off, the smaller man wouldn't take it well... Wing Chun is great and so is Kung Fu, but this is a mismatch, and irl, you would see that.

I think the point is that if a boxer like that one landed hits like the ones that were landed, Ip would have been out cold. it's not like a "Ip couldn't beat a real boxer" comment. It's that if the fight went as it did, those hits would have been devastating.

The fight between Master Hung and Twister was a fair and honorable fight, up until Twister kept going after the fight was clearly over and killed him. No one forced Master Hung to step into the ring with Twister. Hung was a grown-@$$ man who made his own decisions. He would not have gotten into the fight if he didn't think he could beat Twister. Twister didn't pull any dirty tricks during the actual fight. He fought Hung straight up, even if he was a bit more aggressive than he normally would be in a random exhibition match. Hung would have lost, and did lose, that fight fair and square due to his old age and poor health sapping his stamina. He never should have gotten in the ring, but that's not Twister's fault, no matter what the latter fighter said about "chinese martial arts." I blame Twister for going overboard and killing the guy, but I find it hard to fault anything he did during the actual fight (not counting the end). Hung's death can be blamed on three things: 1. A younger, more physically fit and healthy fighter going overboard and beating him too much after the fight was clearly over. 2. Hung's age and health. 3. Hung's pride and foolishness. He should have known he wouldn't stand a chance in his condition, and his hubris got him killed.

@@james_ford86 Something similar happened in the 1st IP Man movie. No one forced Master Liu to go up against 3 men. He asked for it. General Miura probably would have let him live and leave but Sato killed him which feels dishonorable to General Miura. Similar to Master Hung, there were 3 things that can be blamed on Master Liu's death. 1. His Pride. 2. Overconfidence. He was already exhausted after fighting 1 man. What made him think he could take on 3 more? Maybe after having a good rest. Maybe. 3. Sato with no honor.

@@赤ゲキ Honestly, I felt that Liu had already earned the bag of rice that he tried to take when he beat the first man. This was rice already owed to him. He fought the other three fighters in an effort to win three more bags. He didn't win, and didn't get the three more bags, but that didn't mean he still didn't get the bag he'd earned earlier. I thought Sato shooting him was a dick move, as Liu didn't take anything he didn't already earn. I believe that, along with Sato acting without Muira's orders, was why Muira was so upset with Sato.

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@@james_ford86 that's why Master Ip didn't take the rice himself and instead dropped it off to Master Liu's family. He believed that he had been wronged aswell

live fast.. die young.. thats the motto of the Gaint Tuna as well.. then rebirth and come back again which is the whole karma system.. at least wont have to live till old and full of health probs and being a liability to others.

@@FishingSGsWild this. What's the benefit of long life when there's no quality?

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I agree. I knew Darren Shahlavi. He was humble person. I was hoping to see him play in the Expendables amongst other movies. Unfortunately, he wasn't given that opportunity. But I'm sure he is resting in peace knowing his legacy is still being recognized and shown.

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Well said! It was more important to retain his masters honor and to defend the reputation of martial arts. It's an excellent scene. Of course there is the theme of east vs west like in Fearless.

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Remember that this is based on history...

They are also racist, pushing the racist narrative all western fighters are un-sportman like, over sized meat heads... That cheat.. when in reality Aisan s especially Chinese, have cheating woven into the very fabric of their society, to the extent where it's only loosers that don't cheat

@@weeblywinkleman6410 I don't think its racist, it's more of a national thing and not a race thing really. Doesn't bother me anyways.

I also believe that, yes he did use the other masters technique and won the fight

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Chinese Martial Arts = FAKE AF

Bruce Lee's Jeet Jun Do is mainly Wing Chun . I think thats what JKD was the most . To quickly adapt to a different style and look for any weakness

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In reality every fight between a low level MMA type fighter and a kung fu/karate “master” the master has been destroyed

​@@samsoninthepit Kung Fu is underdeveloped because of low popularity of combat sports in China. The military/police monopolizes training in modern self-defense and fighting systems. But you're right that karate and taekwondo are ineffective in combat even though they are mature combat sports

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It's inspiring ain't it

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@@bananayumy6378 w

@@bananayumy6378 Lou

He's a real martial artist in real life

Да, странная ситуация. Но оно, бесспорно, красивое. Может быть, будь у винчуниста реакция в несколько раз быстрее чем у обычного бойца, такой стиль боя и работал бы.

@@ГеоргийВязимов очень может быть!

Против боксёра не один не устоит разве что сам боксёр. По моему сценарий конечно по глупому сделали... Ну как картина и смотреть интересно!!!!)))))👍

Ты в самбистские прятки играешь, а

@@АлександрХитрый-ю6ц с боксёром за школьной партой или на ринге или на рыбалке. Боксёр жесть на парах, а нужно дружить ближе так сказать в самое не хочу и будет!

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@@raz2383 it's a joke bro chill

Payback for the kick. Doesnt make it right, but there it is

@@hellinkillar5057 that doesn't justify after bell hit

@@hellinkillar5057 they allowed kicking up to the point the judges stopped it 🤦🏻

@@cynicalbmo3664 It is not about rules. He was clearly salty, to risk punching him against the rules. Even Moviewise - Salty will be salty

With that level of adrenaline and anger, he might not even have acknowledged the bell in his head, especially if he began to throw the punch BEFORE it rang. Not an excuse but just an explanation. The fact he didn't have more discipline or care that he did it afterwards still shows he's a douchebag

Totally Agree, Donnie is the best

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wym charisma LOL, do you even know what that means

@@sugoneseballs365 It's something that you don't have for sure!

what movie?

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Why rip

@@JohnSmith-pe6wo - ummm… Because he’s dead.

It makes sense to because experience is what makes the fighter good and both have experience in fighting people

That's not western martial arts. That's one western martial art that is more of a sport than a martial art. Martial art mean war art. Boxing isn't really used in war. A variation of boxing is useful. But the sport is not useful in war.

@@johnchestnut5340 "martial art" stopped meaning "war art" hundreds of years ago. you do not see muai thai, bjj, or taekwondo as principle military applications anywhere. i'm not sure why people are uncomfortable with the idea that boxing is a martial art... it is. and an effective one.

@Joe G So now you choose definitions to fit your argument. No. Words have actual meanings. While my use was technically inaccurate, it was easy to understand in the context of the conversation. Military art is more accurate. But war art shows intention. Boxing is a sport. It has never been a military art. But some military arts incorporate some boxing.. There is a difference. But if you're just going to make up your own definitions this discussion is over.

@@johnchestnut5340 nothing is "easy to understand in the context of the conversation" when you can't write a coherent sentence, let alone argument. you just admitted that militaries incorporate boxing into their training. therefore, by this arbitrary measure that you have constructed, boxing is a martial art.

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What about gedes

@@AndresGonzalez-zj9hq True, but he didnt have cancer here, damaged forearm, and was more in his prime.

But it was mainly due to the prohibiting of kicks which is basically 50% of Ip's moveset. During the 2nd round once he got an idea of Twister's moveset he was steam rolling him. But I agree this fight was epic and was my favorite thru out the series.

@@jamesrodriguez3667 yip man was already bruised and downed several times before they banned kicks though

@@jamesrodriguez3667 it was actually the silliest and most ridiculous one of all the movies. No boxer with big red ballon gloves easy to see is going to land one punch on a master wing Chun practitioner who’s literally spent his entire life picking up ranged hand attacks and countering them with one of the most direct and quickest reaction speed combat systems ever devised in history. This was fight was so silly. A wing Chun artist would destroy a street boxer in seconds especially with no pads and gloves on.

a при чём тут саксонцы!?

I mean... There's no way to avoid that ending because that's what happened in real life. The only way to not make it heart wrenching was to either completely ommit her from the movie or change the story so that she wouldn't die. Both these options completely change the movie for the worse

True Life stories has to be presented as such

On me 3 was sad af, and 4 is the end.

You should give spoiler warning before saying things like that you blithering idiot

3 and 4 was a great series though

Yes! What a lot of people don’t realize is Wing Chung isn’t some weak dancing martial art for display. It can be fierce and bestial. Grisly stuff like eye gouging is part of the curriculum and Ip Man FINALLY uses it here after being cheap shotted after the bell and being told he suddenly can’t use 50% of his abilities. He does some other nasty close up Wing Chung shit but it goes so fast it’s amazing. He’s like, “you don’t want me to use my legs? wait till you see me use my hands, you didn’t say I couldn’t.”

What? It isn’t even close lol.

Есть бойцы Винь чунь,которые могут тебе 3 леща дать пока ты сдвинешся

@@samuraiplay554 Покажи хоть одного в реальной схватке оболтус интернетный ))кино меньше смотри и в зал бокса или кика. Шагом марш ,чайник интернетный )

yeah but he couldn't figure it out before round 1 started? I call cinematic bs :p

All fighting is like that, no style or fighter is perfect and everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Boxing a great but fails to make use of your legs and feet for attacking, Judo is awesome for one on one scenarios but the moment you try it in a pub you will see its flaws, precisely the moment you grapple and take them to the ground then their mate kicks you straight in the head etc.

@@dukenukem4447 You don't have to grapple on the floor after a judo throw. Almost all of the 67 kodokan throws can be modified to leave you standing. Even a tomoe nage can be treated like a backwards breakfall and if you launch them hard enough you can roll through it over your shoulder and end up standing. But yeah, you would already know before the fight not to end up on the floor in a bar fight. Just like here, where you would know a boxer uses his arms.

@@tehf00n Even with adaptions to not end up on the floor, Judo does not lend itself well to fighting multiple opponents, at all. Boxing is better in that regard as it requires minimal commitment to any opponent, enough to (hopefully) land an effective blow and keep moving so you don't get your head knocked off. I am not saying someone using Judo cannot fight two opponents, of course you can but that does not make Judo more efficient against multiple opponents than some alternatives. Boxing has some very clear disadvantages as well which takes me back to my original statement that everyone has a plan until they get punched in the head and there is no perfect fighter or style. I have seen plenty of lads who are proficient fighters get knocked on their ass and stay there by a kick in the groin or a shove or a punch etc. Many martial arts are stylish and have degrees of effectiveness but in real situations all fighting boils down to the same thing which is doing whatever you can to make sure ya keep yourself in one piece and in the extreme majority of fights I have seen it all comes down to whoever lands a decent blow first, nothing fancy or technical. The source for my claims is years an' years of working security, bouncing and the like. I have seen plenty of scraps over one thing or another and had fellas try fancy holds or such on myself and/or other staff but when you bear hug and man and lift him off his feet... Well, they don't do much aside from squirming.

@@dukenukem4447 I didn't mean to say Judo is great in streetfights. It's useful in certain close range situations for sure. I have used boxing more in street fights than anything else. I once fought two guys and mixed up boxing and jeet kune do parries, although trained mostly judo and jiu-jitsu, because it was more appropriate for the situation. The best move I did though was when the fight started, I was holding a scolding hot tray of chips and gravy and slammed it into the first guy's face and then punched it in. That gave me enough time to fight the second guy :D

What is name of music in this part?

He does look like Agent Smith/Hugo Weaving tho.

@Hi_Nu Ver 0 Zero_Tester Unfortunately. That’s why I said “should have been”. RIP.

@@jackalexander3246 wouldn't it be could've? Or my english is shit.

@@derplololol9717 No worries man! “Could have” stress the objective potential of the action, that it Could happen, while “Should have” stress the subjective opinion of the speaker toward the action, that I think it Should happen. 👌

He should.. your right..

it would probably affect their speed and agility

It goes against what Kung Fu actually is about - mentality and inner spiritual stuff. Gaining weight just to be more physically powerful literally goes against these beliefs.

@@Bloodark124 Well, that's a bit of a handicap in terms of self-defense. Especially against a very powerful fighter.

@@rickdaniels1789 except that part of Kung Fu’s training regime includes using learning how to fight with actual weapons such as staff/sword/spear. Obviously modern day in most countries forbid that now

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yeah that’s true

I've always found it like comparing apples to oranges. Different styles, different criteria for what's legal and what isn't in an organized match. Both styles are impressive and intense in their own right.

i dont see a problem... boxer had gloves on which lower the impact of his punches by over half, so its compleatly reasonable to ask that other guy also limits his effectiveness by not using kicks. That first hit by boxer that toke the IPman down would probably ended the fight if it was delivered with unpadded fist... if that didnt then the second time he got hit by 2 hit combo would have 100% taken him out given how he was wobling and how his cheek was bruised when being hit by gloved fists... plus its much easier to grapple without the gloves so the boxer was disadvantaging himself in that front aswell... not to mention its easier to punch close range without the gloves.

@@Burneri that gloves is protecting the boxers hands not reducing his impact, so yeah not really true your statement.

The man has brute strength and power, but he has no skill and no intelligence, it's like a GORILLA fighting a Human Lol

@@AMORTEDEYAHWEHDEMIURGOS a gorilla would totally destroy a human tho.

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Early ufc was a lot like this.

Yes early ufc was style vs style in the beginning. Then jujitsu kind of owned everything one Joyce Gracie Cana along. Then people mixed the style to be better fighters.

@@phonedork Well, better fighters is arguable. In the end most UFC fighters end up with basically similar styles to all the others, the whole thing got way too homogenized. Which makes sense, to some degree, as the way they fight now is essentially in a rounded-manner, which probably provides the best changes for winning. Still, I'd really enjoy seeing a fight league with true cross-discipline combat. Would be very interesting to see wildly different fighting styles come to blows. Like Capoeira vs Boxing, or a true competitive Wrestler vs a Tae Kwon Do specialist. That kind of thing would be highly entertaining.

Look up UFC 1 on RU-vid, it's pretty brutal

@@Astraeus.. better fighters is not arguable, your either winning or not. Style vs style like wrestler vs karate/ Kwon do = wrestler taking him down at ease. He then cannot kick or punch. Thats when the karate guy learns wrestling to stop the take down and forces wrestler to stand with him….Thus mix martial arts. I don’t know why people who idolize movie fights and hate mma. One style will not win them all. It’s like paper, rock, scissors… learning them all and mixing them makes you a better fighter

In the real world that dude woulda destroyed him. but this is a great movie

@@caseylyons7906 wrong. in the real world they wouldn't even think about fight

@@caseylyons7906 Not sure about that. But I AM sure he would destroy you, with or without kicking.

@@whatisdolbabyd0ntloveme934 no because the boxer has a huge advantage

@@caseylyons7906 boxer is crap

Wow he's a picture of health that's shocking 😢

@@jcmick8430 fitness doesn´t equal health. If you consume tons of meat, dairy and eggs to gain muscles, the cholesterol and saturated fat builds up in your artery walls until you drop dead from a heart attack. Seen it a hundred times...

@@eni3995 often atherosclerosis is hereditary. i was talking about his physique not his diet.

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Caused by sustained intake of anabolic steroids

They seen the kicks was effecting the boxer.

I hated when the officials did that. Because it's no longer called Chinese Boxing.

This scene had me hard on

Didn’t have me teary eyed had me pissed off cause of the arseholes in it

weird

Everyone says Bruce Lee was the Godfather of MMA, but according to lore, his master was. This fight was Gracie vs Shamrock before its time.

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У боксера удары в разы сильнее чем у бойца винь чунь

Depending on the practicener yes​@vsemogutzabolet7708

What abt fact that boxing boy is much heavier than win chun guy?

you definitely did not watch the movie

agree

这只是电影而已，武术在实战中就是花拳绣腿，但是这影片是成功的，非常有观赏性

this is just pure entertainment, but yeah, many people misunderstood that Wing Chun is nowhere as effective and efficient as what MMA fighters use

To a degree you are right, but pressure points, vital areas, and joints would very much be affected by these "rabbit punches' especially from someone of Donnie yen's stature. No matter how bulky you are, a strike to the right part of your neck can be fatal, a strike to the right part of your arm can cause numbness as well as breakage, and a strike to areas such as the ear will cause dizziness and affect your sight. Just because its not an overwhelming strike does not mean its not effective, for example in MMA fights leg kicks do not do a lot of direct damage but after 50 leg kicks you will lose your ability to stand on the leg. The same logic applies to these rapid fire punches to the same region.

Tony Ferguson, Jon Jones and Anderson Silva all learned Wing Chun. During their fights you you can see they incorporate wing chun moves

this isn't coming from a knowledgeable point of reference....but I wonder if it could be explained as a familiarity of styles. He was used to sparring against multiple styles of martial arts. Possibly he just wasn't familiar with the boxing style?

Ip Man did block and dodge a lot of the hits, but even through the blocks he was getting rocked because he'd never fought against that kind of power before. Plus Twister wasn't just some brute throwing his fists around, he was a martial artist, probably one of the best boxers in the world if not THE best. He would have been able to adapt to the way his opponent moved around and change his punches accordingly.

bro he blocks but twister just gets thorugh with power. coming from a 2dan black belt in taekwando

@@bananayumy6378 😁v

without those gloves he would have won.

IP man wasn't straight up boxing, and it's nearly impossible for him to use his martial arts with those big ass gloves on. He already couldn't kick after awhile which was half of his style, and the boxer is several weight classes above him. If the boxer landed some of those hits bare knuckle AND IP Man couldn't kick, our protagonist would've lost.

Boxing gloves lesser injuries to your hands when hitting something hard

Wing chun

It can work but not on its own using a traditional style