Back when Windows 11 was announced with those ridiculous requirements, journalists noticed a Surface AiO with 7820HK in the Microsoft store. So the hypocrites just added it to the supported CPU list. That's why you have the support
And yet when you disable that asinine TPM2.0 check Windows 11 runs flawlessly including all updates on much older architecture. Have it running on my 2012 HP Z620 workstation as fast as greased lightning.
I got a week ago a T560 for part for 31€ lucky was the top model it only need ram and a ssd ( and a clean ) it’s a good machine with the mx940 too but the drawback was it’s cpu it’s a i7 6th gen with 2 cores but… it was a upgrade from my main machine a T61 :) really nice machine, well built. Crazy battery life (12/14 Hours) with the 2 batteries.
Yeah the i7 actually performs worse than the i5 due to the thermal throttling. - order yourself a Honeywell PT9750 thermal pad and Re-paste and clean your heatsink. Will see a massive improvement.
I Bought this same model of T470p nearly a year earlier, it's great for what it is. The reason why it supports Windows 11 il because of the TPM 2.0 protocol implemented in the i7-7820HQ, wich is not present in other CPUs from Intel's 7th gen. The main differences between T470p (this top tier model) and the T480 (the top model too) are the internal battery, wich let you change the external without turning off, the "u" variant of CPU, wich have a consumption 3x times smaller than the "HQ" variant (15 VS 45 watts max) wich provide better battery life on the T480 by 25% if you have the biggest external battery on both. The second main important point is of course the generation of the components, and i think about the MX-150 vs the 940MX. Yes, this will not be a enormous difference, but the fact that the MX-150 is a disguised GT-1030 wich uses the Pascal architecture versus the 940MX on the previous one, gives us better power efficiency and a +50/60% performance on benchmarks on average. In conclusion, T480 is better if you want biggest Battery (up to 24Whr internal +72Whr external and a "U" CPU) and if you need a little extra boost on graphics performances with a more modern GPU. Overall, those two laptops are very High end "Old" machines, wich will for flawlessly for standard day to day usage for most people. Nice video, if you want more information on Lenovo platforms, you can see their PDF on internet, here are the ones of those 2 platforms, but you only need to tap "T-XXX platform specs" to find all the infos on the lenovo platform you want to know about. I recommend people to look at the X270 platform for those who want 12,5" laptop experience, it will not support WIN 11 but with a Win 10 of a Linux it's absolutely perfect for long outdoor trips. Have a nice day i i hope to see more of that content in the future. ;) T470p platform: psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T470p/ThinkPad_T470p_Spec.PDF T480 platform: psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T480/ThinkPad_T480_Spec.PDF
Appreciate the really in depth comment, agree with everything you said. The T480 dual batteries are nice, I quite like how you can hotswap them with another one. In defence to the T470p, batteries can be cheaper due to them being used for many generations (T440-T460) and (X240-X270). Nice you mention the X270, a great small form factor ThinkPad. I'll be making a video on that soon. Thanks for your time👍
Recently I got a t14 gen 2 with mx450 graphics for 200 + 32gb ram + i7 11th gen. A couple weeks before that I got an a285 (x280 with a ryzen basically) for £100. I own two thinkpads, the cult has indoctrinated me. I did a cheeky tdp unlock with ryzenadj on my a285: with a cooling matt on the bottom, it can play baldurs gate 3 at 28 watt tdp at 26fps Basically steamdeck settings, 800p fsr utra quality. The a285 is insane for value if you got it for my price point. Mine was in such good condition, I thought it was new.
@@eddy45686 t470s uses those dual core intel u-series mobile chips that don't perform as well as the 7700hq shown in this video. intel was really slacking off back then before amd released ryzen :D also i believe the ram is soldered leaving only one slot for upgrades.
If I am not misktaken that nvme adaptor is not running into sata but actually a U.2 port. which looks similar to sata and is sata compatible, but is way faster than sata
That's what and why i was scratching my head. How on earth did he put NVME drive into SATA port through adapter?! turns out it was U.2 Which makes it even more interesting, because you could put some big and cheap server class drives.
The T480 with the internal 24wh and external 72wh hours battery in my opinion is the most OP travel laptop ever. Also you can swap the external battery without turning the laptop off so you could carry a spare one with you.
In terms of performance I should not even speak, but with T430 you have couple of options: 6 cell battery: 57wH 9 cell battery: 94wH And if you have slice battery (like I am), it's + 94wH, in total 188Wh. For my use cases (mainly school/programming) it lasts around 14h(max 16h). But like I said it's thicker, slower so... Oh, and mine has usb-c :)
For my studies, I use a super portable Thinkpad X390 with 8th Gen i5, where the battery easily lasts a day. And currently I'm watching your video on a Thinkpad T430s with 8 gigs of RAM, a fast SSD and an i5 3320m processor powered by Ubuntu 24.04, which is still more than decent enough for office, surfing and light work. Ubuntu works perfectly fine. Thinkpads are simply a dream, I love them all! Best regards from Germany!
5:09 that is WAYY too much thermal paste and will cause thermal issues. A teeny tiny dot will work. These laptops do not have heat spreaders, meaning that you have to spread the thermal paste on the die before applying the heatsink (this is for the best effect). Too much thermal paste would rather make the laptop overheat.
What makes me sad is that the number of available great Thinkpads like these are only declining, just like people who are older than you in all earth, the number only declines. I appreciate new Thinkpads with their advanced and efficient processing power, but the design choices are poor. The removal of external battery is the only thing preventing me from buying newer laptops. It is the most useful feature any laptop could ever have. I managed to successfully hunt for a T480 with maxed out specs, I7-8650U, dedicated GPU, 32gb Ram, WWAN 4G LTE for only 280$.
I just bought a Thinkpad L380 with i7 8550u with 16gb and 512gb ssd. I paid $220, good condition no damage. It is a good deal?? It seems quite fast. 2884 on cinebench r23.
No type-c and a cpu with a high tdp make me lean heavily towards the t480. I'd rather have somewhat better battery life and type-c since i have a desktop that i use for real work
I understand your view, but for raw performance this is a better choice. I agree that battery life would be better on the T480 since it had two and U Series CPUs.
Are you sure about that? I’m pretty sure the 8th gen U processors match/slightly better than the 7th gen HQ ones at quite a bit lower power requirements.
I've just bought a T460p with the 940mx graphics, 16gb ram, the backlit keyboard and an extended battery for £100. I was looking for a t480 but couldn't find one with everything I wanted. Just waiting for it to arrive in the post.
I think you install windows a little backwards. Don't let it connect. Make a local account. Then run bloaty nosy. Then let Windows get the drivers and updates. Then debloat again. Then get official drivers for the graphics. But hey, you do you. I do 2-4 installs of 11 per week. And the P denotes workstation class. The T480 is obviously going to be a regular T class. Everything is connected via x2 PCIe lanes anyway, not x4 like it should be. The HDD Caddy connector is not SATA, have a look there are extra pins. It was a very short lived Server connection for PCIe 2.5" drives.
i got the t480 with the specs is i7 8650u 16gb ddr4 ram dual channel and dedicated nvidia gpu called mx150 its perfom fell on rainbowsix siege 720 low got avg 68+fps :V
The 7th gen cpus aren't officially supported under Windows 11, but you can install Windows 11, you just can't upgrade from Windows 10 has been my experience.
Actually if your laptop has tpm 2.0 it should support Win 11, the 8 gen is a simplification because all 8 gen laptops have tpm 2.0. Most of the business class 6, 7 gens have tpm 2.0 but personally i would no install Win 11 on the dual core ones.
@@cephacore I actually thought those dell xps hp omen laptops were actually good until i got to know about ThinkPad, my dad has an ideapad sent by the gov scheme (it happens like every 5 years ig) and after seeing it's weird performance i still wish that if instead of the ideapad he should've gotten the ThinkPad.
Good but 1 memory slot only and 1 x 4gb soldered. 1 X storage drive only the wan slot is useless for second drive (don't detect it) upgradeablility is very limited. But overall ok for £80.
@@thelegion_within T480 is king with 2 x batteries, 2 x memory slot (64gb), 2 x storage slot, get i7 8 gen version it may also have 2 x graphics card intel 620 and Gforce Mx150 (this was optiobal). Full HD display, This don't come very often on Ebay, but I snapped it for £120 plus £20 coupons off - almost mint.
I own T580 (two batteries, one is removable. really good option). T470 look very thick to me. T490 is great, but T490S is even better (I own both). After owning X1 carbon 5 for few days, and if I can go back a year ago, I will focus on X1 Carbon Gen 6 or/and X1 Yoga Gen 6 (both at ebay today around $150. Instead of owning so many T490/T490s/T580 (all under $125). P70 also great. 15.3" screen will not make it to my choices.
I have T470 and was thinking about getting this model, but in the end I increased my budget and bought max specs P52 (i7 8850H, 64 GB RAM, P3200 Max-Q).
Make sure you don’t get a bricked Motherboard BIOS Update. The bricked update if it won’t downgrade is a killing event of the motherboard. Good luck. Enable the ability to self flash to the last known BIOS that hopefully was working.
Do more like this laptops. Used old budget laptop with hq cpus and dedicated gpu. I'm tired watching U series laptops I'm looking for used Lap for my work is need little bit more powerful then t470p
@@cephacore A lot of these corporate workstation machines carry CPUs that look great on paper, but run them with underdimentioned cooling solutions unfortunately, so they throttle hard.
@@cephacore 3 weeks ago I found a T470s on ebay for £50 the only issue was that the batteries were dead so I fixed them and it cost me a total of £120 so thanks :)
I still kinda prefer t480p since you have 4c/8t processor aswell and since it is a U version, it can be kept cool pretty easily with almost the same cooling setup. There's also an mx150 variant but i guess it is rare and can be rather pricey, also a powerbridge if someone needed an extra battery
Did they make a T480p? Thought they stopped that naming scheme and made the P52. Either way, yes the MX150 is highly sought after since it's great for battery life
@@cephacore oopss sorry, my bad, a little bit of typo, it's supposed to be only t480. Yeahh the mx150 variant is great but hard to find in the used market sadly hahahah
Thanks for the thinkpad cult following you can never find these computers under $300 here in the philippines hell even the t430 costs atleast 170-200 here
second hand laptops are always cheaper in richer countries, as people can buy new laptops easily, the demand for second hand is low, therefore their prices drop a lot.
I think thats not as good when it comes to gaming, the T480 I found has a thunderbolt 4 port which i can use to plug in an external gpu using gpu adapters or docks. Either way that does have a stronger cpu but without a thunderbolt is kindof a hard choice
Yeah I was looking at it more in the way of CPU power, which the T470p excels at. Wouldn't really game on a ThinkPad but if you were, an external GPU setup would be the way.
@@cephacore Kinda sad they didn't put thunderbolt on it, but if I say more which laptop is better now than the ThinkPads is the Dell Latitude 5420 (if I remember correctly) it has 2 thunderbolt ports and can get under 20k Pesos for second hand, which has an i5 11th Gen and an amazing screen Ps: You should defo check the capabilities of that dell laptop out, since I'm planning on getting that as an upgrade to my t480
Good luck... I established a rule for myself more than 2 decades ago, never buy used or refurbished computers, you're just buying someone else's lemon. I was stung twice once in each category. Not worth the hassles.
yeah I used to buy used parts for upgrading my pc over the years, mostly upgrading used gpu. last one was 1060 then I replaced with rx 580, both were artifacting after being used no more than a year. after all that hassle I decide to grab brand new rx6600, I hope it'll last at least 5 years or more.
I normally look out for refurbished sellers on eBay who offer some sort of warranty. Other than that, yes it's a big risk and makes sense why ppl buy new.
Have always bought computers used, have never had a problem and have saved my self a lot of money by now. You just have to be sure who you are buying from, check reviews of sellers etc.
Nice! -- QUESTION -- I ordered a used T480 with the FHD/1080P screen. However, the sent the one with a "touch" screen which is a feature I would never use. It is also FHD/1080p. My question is, I can return it and get the one without "touch". Do they both view the same or is the Touch screen worse quality or a battery hog? Please help. I must decide quickly and I think they intentionally stuck me with this screen.
Hi, thanks for your question. In regards to touch screen laptops, they do use more resources in the background so yes it would lead to a lower battery life. But not by much. However, they also tend to keep their value than their non-touch counterparts so if you were to sell it on later then it'd be a better investment. Also, I'd always opt for a FHD 1080p screen as they look much better. The 768p screens are TN and awful. IMO, I think you got quite lucky but it's up to you whether you want to return or not.
@@cephacore ...intersting... My T480 has the touch with 1080p and the UHD 620 graphics vs HD 620. I assumed that I wanted to non-touch screen and the basic HD 620 graphics. They said they would exchange it no problem. Would you recommend that I keep it and be done. I thought that the UHD 620 caused heating issues and contributed little and that the touch screen was not a clear as the "normal" 1080p screen but now I am not sure. I can't find any direct side by side comparison of the two. Some say it gets 30 percent worse battery life but not sure why if that is in fact true.
I have a T480 that I ordered a while ago now and I played Daiblo IV on it with no dedicated graphics, so i don't know. Maybe I just got lucky now don't get me wrong I had to switch it to the old school look in order to run it for any length of time, but it still ran it pretty good. At the end of the day it's a laptop not a desktop so i never expected very much. You are right about finding one with dedicated Graphics and yes they're a little pricey, but cheaper than a desktop. Good video I will have to look into that laptop a little more. God Bless and have a good one.
This laptop doesn't have USB-C display out. it's e-waste. If you wanted to save money dell precisions and Latitudes fill this price gap nicely. Alternatively the Peak computing is getting p51 workstation with pascal based P5000. its based of desktop gtx 1070 with 16g of Vram. and my unit was 450 usd.
You have to consider the price I bought this for, which is a hell of a lot less than a P51 workstation which normally go for £300. This wasn't so deserves to be uplifted. I don't agree it's e-waste. HP Stream's, IdeaPads from 2016 are e-waste as they are obsolete and there are simply better options for similar prices. This is one of them.
