I literally had this happen to me in a game yesterday. It was against me on top and luckily the yi camille lane fucked up a few times so I got ahead with early kills and could just kill them in 2v1 early although the yi still ran down our adc laze
Honestly, it took more time than I guessed to people start having success with double top. When I see riot new changes, and them talking about reducing jungle agency in the game I knew it wouldn't take long for people to try the dota meta. Where you have 2 double lanes and solo mid, and jungle camps gets farmed by whoever needs the gold and have enough tempo to do it.
I got this against me in a normal game a month ago and our top got destroyed then game was over. Gonna go and watch that replay now that i just understood what happened
your top got destroyed cause no one is there to even help him, your jungler is too busy clearing camps while no one is contesting anything literally. Not saying this shit is not scum though
@@snowwitch1752ok but why is it scum tho? They aren't using any exploits or bugs. They are using an unconventional strategy that they cooked with their creativity instead of following the same meta like robots. This is how league is supposed to be played.
@@badbadman9412 How is it not a scum you basically shit stomping NORMAL GAMES like bro, if it was ranked sure you gained LP for it but the guy is clearly talking about his top getting shit on by 2 people diving him at level 2 + 3 minnion waves. I met the abomination in my chilling normal game 3 times first 2 i was playing top and then i changed to jungle and shit stomp them instead, i'm playing on Thai server im pretty sure they aren't low elo on our server D1 and Master duo shit stomping gold people on normal games surely isn't a scum move
that is not how league is supposed to be played, this will work once against a specific player after they will know what to do and it will not work against good players@@badbadman9412
in season one a player had to roam from top to bottom we had paths like today jg does until some guy called madlife picked tresh sticking with a ranged teammate and became meta. nowadays top is the lane with most xp and gold for meeles so yeah is kinda thebausffs big brain strategy, gather more resources than the other team even if it is troll and your bot got destroyed. might only work with some champs as yi carry more than a sup but if the other team play along switching lanes it will be crazy off meta.
@@expiredramen3640 meta is what is highest success rate for least effort with most consistency. A lvl 1 cheese strat where you spam drives and have no jungler isnt gonna go far when people stop seeing it as a troll. He basically elo boosted a bit and will fall back down within the month. Also that clip where they afk top for 6 minutes with no punish means its gotta be low elo.
Didnt he say that guy is GM w that on SS? I think that works tbh. Especially when its a new strat. Same goes w the Janna Top and what not@@ethosterros9430
Honestly very good strategy by abusing Yi q. The q resets turret agro and since you shove every wave, the opponent is isolated causing huge damage with e - q. This however won’t work against all top champs. 1. Those with heavy early cc (jax e, poppy e) 2. Those that are super tanky early game (include zac and sion cuz of his passive, sion dies but can get gold, xp and kill in return, malphite) and 3. Champs that can proxy the first waves (rammus, singed). This strategy basically requires you to get that first dive (levels 1-2) perfectly since if one dies on the first dive or you fail to kill on the first dive, you can’t continuously dive and snowball. Since you have no jungle, you lose priority on objectives without snowballing.
I'd even argue this doesn't work in lower ranks. Now you might say why. Because lower elos do not respect early trades. They will heavy trade with both of you like a monkey, making this strategy useless (somewhat). It also doesn't work against lots of champs.
Could be really interesting for the meta, we could see a rise in super tanky cc focussed tops who can survive the tower dives and greedy farming junglers who take advantage of the extra jungle camps.
The strongest jungle champs right now already is ones that can giga farm (AP champs lul) and those who can invade (graves, nidalee) Kha and Nocturn are fallbacks. People playing all the tanks and bruisers is just because they're stuck and not wanting to adapt. You aren't behind on XP if you play AP champ whereas if you play a J4 you'll be so far down it's stupid
We should all be doing this now; strong toplane support that can force dives (Like Yi, Elise) and get masive leads to end the game by 15. Maybe they finally fix the game this time xd
@@Amaling its not about player being afk, its about riot phreak deciding to nuke entire role so it wont have that much agency around the game (oh ye now its just transfered to 1 lane and here u go with snowball nature)
It wont work though you see yi has no smite your jungler starts red runs top you now dont kill him ur top laner levels up ahead of you has tp and mission failed.
Riot made a mistake creating systems to counter funneling in the past. The thing is, the game is ideally played with a carry in the jungle able to affect the whole map and be at objectives. They needed to rework master yi and let the meta change. Instead they have gutted the gold and exp from jungle in order to force a bad meta on the game. They will break this too somehow in order to keep a duo botlane and cause massive problems in the community because people are frustrated.
tbf master yi wasn't the only viable carry for funnel, he was just the most popular one, so changes to account for that had to be made. how they were made is a different story
Wait so I had a game yesterday where we had two top.. but it wasn't the former jungler that went. It was the support malphite.. that took smite, then went top and left Nilah alone botlane vs Samira+Lux. Needless to say we won, but maybe that Malphite is the future /s
When farming jungle camps was so bad 4 months ago and junglers realized they should just gank, people got super frustrated and said jungle is too OP, then riot nerfs lane xp sharing for junglers and expect junglers to still deal with this role. The average jungle experience is after 10 minutes you are 2 levels behind, 300 gold behind, and you cant even do any objectives without your teamates doing something. You need every gank to work out to even be even with a solo laner.
Why should you be able to farm boars in the forest and be even with a solo laner who has to spend literally every second trying to dodge/trade/track last hits? Jungle role should basically be a second support, not a carry.
@@jessehickey4686 Because it sucks to play this game when you're behind, and jungle puts you behind by default. I don't care if it is "fair". There's a reason that jungle is one of the least played roles in soloQ. It sucks to play.
@@jessehickey4686 Im saying don't expect junglers to want to play jungle when they expected it to be a carry role and now its a support role. Imagine if they made mid lane a support role with the argument that (junglers cant sit under tower).
You won't because this strategy is not viable when people play together, to counter this strat, just take 4TP in ur team, play defensive, chill and wait 10min : the second jungler is lvl 4, enjoy ur free LPs
@@SeafightLeRoiTitannot just that. This strat seems to rely on yi to make a 2 champ level 2 tower dive happen. Walking up, yi hits first, then all in and yi Q's just before the final tower hit hits yi. Imagine how risky this even is and yone gets double kill @min3. Then you have a useless jungler and free gold for enemy jgl. It's fun indeed but not a reliable strat imo.
A possible counter I have thought for this strategy is sion. With his passive, you can start w and even if they can kill you under tower, you still get minions under tower after death. Then you can build tank, by going something like tabis, which would greatly reduce dmg from yi. Otherwise, you would still get something like chainmail before tping back. Maybe going for warden's mail later. Then it would be very difficult to dive you. You could also have a jungler come lvl 2 (though very diffuclt in soloQ) and counter gank after they get lvl 2 from buff. Preferably a strong jungler for this such as quinn or elise. With your jungler and you verus the enemy two lvl 1 champs. You should be able to not get dived on the first wave.
ahh yes 2-1-2 laning. this brings me back to the early days of LoL. used to do this with my group of friends, simply because none of us know how to play jungle yet lol
Yes, because counter would involve the actual jungler to shadow top to make dives fail (this would mean that both top and jungle has cc to fuck up the tower dive). Pretty sure this fails if you don't get to kill top in early game.
@@mcELINER this would 100% get ruined by jngler just starting top side and pathing straight to lane, then invading into Yi's quadrant. Now enemy jungler doesn't even need to gank to match laners. Pick a hard scaling jungler like Kindred and it's gg report Yi.
This is just cheese guys. If you see Ignite JG in your game they got paypal'd. Sprint to side lanes and put a deep ward in lane brush to spot him out and ask your JG to start on the side Yi/Ign JG intends on cheesing. Have them lv2 counter gank the stacked wave dive and you have a free game cuz they have no JG income.
yeah if jungler can cover until top gets lvl 3 then top should become undivable. There are many champs like Irelia/Sett/Jax/Fiora/Camille... who have incredible mobility or anti-burst at lvl 2 or 3 which I don't know what you would do about.
Maybe this kind of strategy is being good on regular servers as well. I played a game on this Patch 13.14 (regular server) in which a supposed enemy Sylas JG (Flash + Ignite) did a complete Jungle Diff against our regular Jungler at least until Mid Game. Basically, a Sylas "JG" and Pantheon MID kept inverting between 2x1 Top Lane and 2x1 Mid Lane, besides Ganking (I was SUP). They mostly dominated the objectives until somewhere Mid Game; but without Smite, in the end we were able to come back and secure Victory (probably because of Compositions and patience); Sylas does not necessarily scales as well as Master Yi I guess. I don't know if it was a Spell mistake or on purpose, but whatever it was, the fact is that it proved to be quite impactful in some way, even if not a Master Yi doing exactly the same steps you do. Thanks for 'breaking the rules' and showing how unbalanced the game is! Riot says they want Unbalance: fun before logic. So show them some real FUN that works! 😹Like Janna Top with Smite.
Just got to enjoy this strat in NA Em, top got dove into tp into death and left the game; this is a horrible direction for the game to move in and jungle needs buffs to counteract this quickly
I watch this guy on a chinese platform, the strat usually goes like this: Sylas + Master Yi, there's burst and control on sylas, continous damage on yi, both have self sustain with their W Both buy support items so damaging the opponent top laner or attacking the tower gets 60 gold Master Yi usually eats the minions, unless he has the penalty from the support item, then Sylas eats Master Yi usually has Hail of blades as main rune for the burst early game, both bring ignite They usually ban Jax and Shen for their ability to block basic attacks and make them not very divable lv1 lv1: see if can take enemy top by surprise get their health low, if not, shove wave and wait till both gets to lv2 lv2: sylas and master yi dives the opponent lv1 top, master yi first takes tower aggro, then gets out with Q invincibility, if opponent top TP back, just kill them again lv3: Jungler is probably getting around, so both set up wards to see where the jungler might be coming from, they either base or trade 1 person with opponent top so they are valuable again lv4 - first tower: Opponent top can't resist so they just push tower, their usually get this tower by 6 minutes into the game, by now enemy top is basically useless with no gold and exp. first tower - second tower: Probably both have their first item now, so they just go bot and see if they can kill the bot laners, if not they just push tower, again bot can't resist as well, if enemy mid and jug comes they are glad to trade heads. Afterwards: They are up by like 2 complete items and the enemies just can't resist, so yeah You might wonder why this is viable, cuz jungler gets 4 camps shouldnt they be hella strong, problem is top is getting harrassed and they probably will call jungler, if they ignore and just dive into killing camps, the camps are thicc, does tons of damage, and gets little reward, they won't be in the position to gank anyone, and top's tower is gone. If they do go help, 2v2 they have double ignite, support item bonus stats, while jug only has the egg that brings 0 stats for combat, and there's a useless top with no cs.
hi I have been playing yi with this strat for over a year which I even made a video, but the problem with the strat is teammate who run down me like every 2 game when i play yi like that, im happy someone think to play river yi, on only river yi account i finish master with 65% winrate in euw so the strat work well you will just lose so much game because our team get tilt so just insta mute all when they start to talk and gl
their jungle has no money if he choose to 2v2, besides ,it's hard to fight against Yi and thief man because your jungle egg has no numerical addition and they have two fire
I just played Garen into a Gragas×Kayne top duo and I"m honestly not sure what to think of it. 1 didn't die but I was way behind in CS and I really didn't have fun even if we won because their top duo didn't create enough pressure to counterbalance their lack of jungler.
tried this, if u have an early game top its literally unbeatable. yi can almost solo dive any top alone just lvl 2 to 1 with ignite and if their jungler doenst counter gank the 1st dive the game is completely over
I legit locked in Master Yi jungle, but because my team troll picked I decided to take ignite instead of smite to force someone to dodge. No one dodged. But we won. And we won easily.
This strategy should be easy to shut down, especially if you know it's coming straight from loading screen: 1. Jungler should start clearing only top for first levels and clear the camps if a way he can rotate for your tower level 2 (be on krugs or gromp depending on side). 2. Top should only try to stay in exp range, retreat to tower if not possible. 3. If they crash wave 2, jungler moves towards top tower to prevent dive. 4. If initial dive doesn't happen, jungler starts vertically jungling on top side to be ready to clean up any attempted dives.
Finally different strategies in this game. I give it a month before riot and adc mains bitch and complain that the game is actually being different and they change it. Any time literally anyone else carries the game all the marksman babies line up to whine that their 10+ year monopoly on the carry role is challenged.
6:18 very smart play they deny him more exp but most importantly they reset his bounty, he was not worth any gold after that many deaths but now he is back to giving 300 gold, he got the gold on shutdown but his exp and gold are still too much impaired for him to have a game. Pray junglers don't cover dives though ^^'
Had this happen to me, Riven and Master Yi vs Garen that was not a fun experience. Feels even worse as I got flamed for dying to them under turret level 2.
I don't believe this is in any way viable once this strat is known. I would imagine there are so many strats to counter this and once top laner is somewhat stable the game is basically over. Every other lane will win on average because no jungle pressure. Literally no objective control. It is just an early game cheese strat that loses you the game if it doesn't work out.
Counters : Yi ban or Jax top picked coz only Yi can rly do that lvl 1 and 2 and Jax has E champions like Garen with W start or champs that are hard to dive lvl 1 like Sett W start are also probably a counter to that, coz if u don't take a lead early u instantly lose the game right since u can't snowball and ennemy top isn't behind and has exp x2 like ur jungler
jax e doesn't stop yi u know that right XD, it might save him level1 but then they will dive jax when the wave crashed and gl, and what garen is gonna pick w first.
@@wxShenron if they want to dive Jax presses E and they just don't have enough dmg to dive him wdym, lvl 2 Yi can only auto attack and Q, master yi Q applies on hit and Jax E blocks on hit dmg, the other champion will also rely a lot on auto attacking lvl 2 if u see no jungler u know u're getting cheesed so u just pick W and respect, if u don't let ennemy team cheese early they can't snowball and it's basically ff for them u just go in exp range so u don't get chunked and u're not divable
@@hisoka8202 no i don't think you read what i said. if jax doesn't get lvl 1 e his dead. but if he does then yi and X will crash the wave, yi gets his first strike passive by hitting the turret on minions, then they will engage. if jax presses e, yi will tank the turret for 1sec till it's guaranteed that even if jax hold's his e it won't hit yi. and they just dive him after that, ez. also, u're not gonna outpush 2 players, and if you try to do anything against it you're dead, cuz yi is simply the highest dps champion. if you don't believe in yi dives then look in yt lol dobby yi top :)
@@wxShenron why would u want to push lol ? u're 1v2, just stay in exp range and don't lose HP jax always take E lvl 1 99.9% of the time have u ever played yi vs jax ? jax E lasts longer than yi Q, so Yi just gets stunned at the end of the counterstrike => he takes dmg and he can't auto Jax coz he's stunned yi Q is on-hit and jax E blocks on-hit so u'll take very low dmg, + the other champ is lvl 2 so he only has 2 abilities, most dmg u deal lvl 1 and 2 are from auto attacks also u can just leash ur jungler that starts topside and then he comes top, u start 2v2 but ur jungler is lvl 2 and they're both lvl 1 and u take prio, if u don't have prio anyway u won game since ennemy didn't kill you with their cheese
@@hisoka8202 what jungler? you are jungler playing double top as the support, i think we're not on the same page here are we? also yi q is 1 sec, jax e duration is 2sec, after 1 sec jax can recast his e to stun faster. which means if you wait 1 sec + 0.1 sec you won't get hit. usually what yi players do there is hold their w or get their double strike before they q. if you are yi otp you win this, mby if you aren't then you could lose that fight but otherwise yi wins this 100%
had this exact pair top (yi sylas) but sylas also went support item like an idiot so he had no income because of csing. If the enemy team is smart and play slow, they can just get every obj easily and outscale dpeending on their comp. I remember i was very frustrated playing with this because the yi was full build at 20mins but somehow couldnt carry and died to any cc lol while we had no jg and played 2vs3 bot since the enemy jg was smart enough to camp our weakside. Their aatrox who had like 15 deaths? Still more useful than the sylas lmfao
Just had this shit in a D2 game where BOTH junglers nunu & yi did this strat everyone was completely confused but we somehow ended up stomping so I won't complain
u are wrong he wastes time yi just dont have to do anything for 2m and yi will be lvl 4 and jungler lvl 2 or max 3 and he will never be able to catch upto them.
@@asadtariq2307 Yi will be sharing exp and the JG will go screw off to his other quadrants of the map and come back to break freeze later. It's not gonna work when the cheese is so easy to read with Ignite no smite JG.
I've been trying double top with smite ever since season 14 items hit the PBE. The main problem is that the enemy top laner and enemy jungler will be ahead of both of you in levels. You lose fights easily due to being underleveled. The most success I had was a Ziggs top and Ivern top with smite. The strategy was to steal jungle camps and break the enemy top tower as fast as possible.
If the enemy jg has a brain , its insta top invade. Majority of top lane champs can play under tower and outscale. No obj prio, helpless boy and mid, down lvls.
I tried this for a month, ez to win in 5v5, not ez in solo/double. Nobody thinks no smite meta can win😢 We claimed it is Korean meta to comfort teammates but actually it’s from china
