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HOW TO: This video shows and documents how I have installed dual / parallel Victron Orion 30amp battery to battery / B2B / DCDC chargers into my van.
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My purpose for installing two charges was not because I needed it but because I wanted faster charging. The alternator I have in my vehicle is 220A which would support the auxiliary load draw on this size.
Due to the location of the starter battery and the leisure system in my van the cables had to be run full length on the van and I use oversized 50mm² cable because I had it spare. I use a mega fuseholders to split the cable into 16mm squared cable and fuses per charger. 16 mm² in this application is oversized but it was what I had spare off.
I have attempted to keep the cable length between both of the charges the exact same to each unit reads the same voltage. Additionally I installed a switch on the dashboard which allows me to turn both of the charges off or run one or both charges are using the remote pins on each Orion unit. Most likely during the summer I will have the second charger off. Whilst I am using a switch to turn the unit on and off. the automatic engine detection is still what allows the unit to charge or not.
On top of that during the video you will see my active cooling solution which will be revealed in another video but I have increased my real-world performance by 25% using this and achieve a higher than 30amp output from both units continually
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@theviolater7942
@theviolater7942 2 года назад
Great video. I think two b2bs for the winter (especially your kind of extreme winters!) will be very helpful!
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
It certainly was, I installed this before my Arctic trip and it made a world of difference. There was hardly a day I didn’t reach 100% on my batteries after only a short time
@897aa33
@897aa33 2 года назад
Thanks for mentioning ccp point. I have been struggling to figure out how to get more amps. : )
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
One post CCP would be great for one B2B. but given each post is only rated to 60amp. Two B2B’s using all three posts on the CCP together seems the best option. But I made a video about upgrading the CCP
@OldExodus
@OldExodus Год назад
Wow, I’m impressed…..this was a very informational video. I will definitely do my setup like this with dual DC-DC chargers. I like how you had the rocker switch in the front can to turn one or both of them on. Ingenious!!!!
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Thank you very much. The rocker switch is definitely used in the summer as I don’t need both running and it’s a lot hotter.
@OldExodus
@OldExodus Год назад
Does your electrical cabinet get hot? Do you exhaust or active cool the cabinet?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Yes, the whole cabinet has ventilation slots and a 12 V fan extracting air from the whole cabinet. Otherwise, I’d just be recirculating hot air from the charges.
@OldExodus
@OldExodus Год назад
What device/monitor are within orange blocks? I’m assuming that is a voltage/amperage monitor?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
@OldExodus that was for old battery heaters. It’s a temperature controlled reply. My current lithium batteries don’t need heaters but I left the unit it
@effie2206
@effie2206 2 года назад
Great video, and the way you positioned the fans really maximize the cooling. There where some rumors awhile ago the Victron is coming with a higher power DCDC chargers. I don't have the van yet so I'm still on the sideline, I may end up with similar setup.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
I’ve also heard the same rumours, i’m not sure why they haven’t yet done it as DCDC charger why is there behind everyone else. As for the fans you will see in the next video of the ridiculous different they make
@en8581
@en8581 2 года назад
Agree. Sterling just released a redesigned B2B with up to 120 amp input at 12 v (can output 12, 24v). Does not have Bluetooth but not sure as critical to have it for B2B compared with solar controllers where you more actively monitor how system is working. Sterling have been pretty reliable for many.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
I am pretty interest to see how the new sterling battery to battery chargers workout, I’ve been keeping my eye on them . Victron are pretty behind on the maximum output of their chargers versus their competitors. I know a lot of people who use sterling, I actually use their induction stove. But I know a few people have switched from Sterling B2B to Victron ones. Looking forward to more sterling unit videos
@rudivandoornegat2371
@rudivandoornegat2371 2 года назад
Good explanation. First time I see fans, but surely a good idea. I also like the 'busbar.'
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
With the fans I achieved a 25% increase in output of my real-world performance from the units
@rudivandoornegat2371
@rudivandoornegat2371 2 года назад
That's really good information. So it was worth the effort and extra costs.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Aye extra cost for was £9.99 per fan. effort was just my time
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 Год назад
I’ve only had Amps so far on my victron 18 and 30amp setup but it’s an improvement ready for more off grid holidays
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
All great power sources for your off grid holiday
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 10 месяцев назад
i have 18amp and 30 amp victron orion chargers but only get 38 amps for the 2 in parallel should be more you think?
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 10 месяцев назад
they both have own power supply cable from battery .its sturdy cable 60amp each
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 10 месяцев назад
Do you have a amp clamp, so you could monitor the output of each individual unit and see where you’re losing power?
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 10 месяцев назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures yes
@akthompson110
@akthompson110 3 месяца назад
Hi Alex love your channel. I’m just about to install two Orion 50amp chargers in a 2022 sprinter. I noticed you had an alternator issue on your last winter trip, do you think this may have been related to the double chargers you’ve fitted or just age of van? Just a video idea but would be great to see a mop up video from all of your electrical exploits & what kind of new equipment is available to establish what would be the best system to suit your needs now.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 3 месяца назад
Enjoy your two new Orion XS! As for my alternator issue, I don’t think it was related at all. It was the alternator clutch pulley opposed to the alternator itself. but my van had 147,000 miles at that point so I’m pretty content It was just a worn out part which failed. I’m going to soon be building a new van with a pretty different electrical system, which should lead to some interesting videos
@moonies414
@moonies414 2 года назад
Wicked Alex just the video I’ve been waiting for.like the idea of the double fans👍👍👍
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
I received about a 25% increase on unit output on my real-world output testing
@moonies414
@moonies414 2 года назад
Wicked Alex just a video I have been waiting for brilliant what a good idea to have fans on them👍👍👍😀
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Thank you very much next weeks video you’ll see the results of the fans in use it’s mad
@Rich-n-Cooper
@Rich-n-Cooper 2 года назад
Another Awesome Video Alex, thinking about this for my Sprinter build and the cable and cooling layout is a work of art ;)
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Thank you very much. It definitely seems if you have a large battery bank, an alternator which can support a auxiliary load of this size it’s a pretty obvious solution if you’ve got the budget for it
@Sonofsun001
@Sonofsun001 Год назад
Just found your channel and in the process of my 2nd van build, really informative and some great ideas (especially the techy stuff). Thanks, keep up the good work.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Thank you very much. Enjoy your second van build! Lots of techy stuff here!
@andrewmillerphotography
@andrewmillerphotography 5 месяцев назад
Finally got around to installing a second Victron DcDc 30a, however I fitted the seoncd one with a rocker switch to turn it off when not required - saves excess draw on the alt when not required.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 5 месяцев назад
I have a rocker switch on the dash as well, which can turn both off, one on or both on. Normally use it in the summer when I’ve got plenty of Solar
@andrewmillerphotography
@andrewmillerphotography 5 месяцев назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures I heard you say that, something I should think about as well!
@ProjectCamper
@ProjectCamper 2 года назад
Great video , like yourself i also found out videos for wiring two b2b's a bit thin, like the use of the fans cos dam they get hot.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Quite a few people I knew now are running them in parallel but not many videos. How effective the fans are is surprising!
@TogetherWeGo
@TogetherWeGo 2 года назад
Another great video, that’s for the tag too.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Thank you for the help!
@barnettube
@barnettube 2 года назад
What multimeter are you using? Couldn’t see the name in the video. Perhaps you could do a “these are the tools I use” video?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
That is a good point my Amazon affiliate store has quite a few lists related to the van but you bring a good point I don’t have a tool related one I’ll look at adding tools
@pau1phi11ips
@pau1phi11ips 2 года назад
Kinda looking forward to Victron B2B with a VE.Direct port. I don't need it, I just want it. Victron take my 💸 😁
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Pretty much I’ve still got no idea why they never gave me VE.direct to the Orions
@michaelramsay3486
@michaelramsay3486 2 года назад
Great video Alex. Looking forward to your next video on thermal cooling. Can I ask - where about do you get those mounts for the Wago connectors? - very neat indeed
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
The Wago Connectors mounts I wish I knew! John of @john&mandyuk gave me the box! Wish I had more! I might have to check alibaba for them
@emmaurbanvanlife120
@emmaurbanvanlife120 2 года назад
You have a lot to answer for Mr Alex 😂😂
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
You are welcome!
@Steven-e7c
@Steven-e7c 2 года назад
That's a great setup and thanks for the upload. So is there any pros besides no negative to the front using the non-isolated verus the isolated units you used?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
No real difference between isolated and non-isolated. The effect between the different units is more pronounced on boats. However when I got the original one only Isolated was readily available
@ozmanfidaar6311
@ozmanfidaar6311 9 месяцев назад
Have you upgraded to a higher amperage alternator, or you are just using the stock alternator? Thanks.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 9 месяцев назад
Stock alternator in this case could be a multiple of things as transit have a few different options. Mine however is 220A 12v which I believe is a mid to high option. Generally a aux load should be around one third of the alternators maximum capacity
@LawrenceL1000
@LawrenceL1000 Год назад
Outstanding!
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Thank you!
@Gary-cw8yp
@Gary-cw8yp Месяц назад
Would u need a bigger alternator for 2 leisure batterys and 2. dc 2 dc chargers ??👍
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Месяц назад
Not necessarily, it depends on what your vehicle comes with from factory. Mine came with a 220A alternator so plenty. Rule of thumb you shouldn’t put an auxiliary load (DCDC charger) larger than one third of the alternators capacity
@Melissapeterkin
@Melissapeterkin 10 месяцев назад
I know this is old at this point, but I'm experiencing issues with overheating and derating of my 2 orions. Could you go into more detail about the wiring of the fans? Like a for dummies version of where you have them in order to be on the input side and only turned on with the orions?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 10 месяцев назад
The wiring and the fans could be done in a number of ways. Some people I know have used temperature control relays where temperature sensor on the Orion would turn the relay on and turn the fans on. personally that seems over complicated as the Orion always overheat. I have an ignition live signal for when the van is turned on power the relay which powers up the fans.
@Melissapeterkin
@Melissapeterkin 10 месяцев назад
I'm unfortunately at the level where that information doesn't help me 🙈... it looked like the fans were wired into the green remote switch, but I can't tell where the positive and negative of the fans are going to On another note, I just saw another comment where you recommended either adding another 16mm wire or going to 35 from the battery, does the negative also need to be upgraded? Mine are unisolated.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 10 месяцев назад
@@Melissapeterkin what you saw going to the green bridge was a additional signal wire from the ignition live. While the Orions themselves can sense engine is running or not, I sometimes choose the summer to have one of them turned off, I have a switch on the dash which allows one Orion and one fan to run, or both Orions and both fans to run. As for cabling. 16mm2 cable is enough to support one Orion, not two. You could run a second 16 mm² cable or something like a 35 mm² to run both fromx I happen to only have 50 mm² that’s why I used
@Melissapeterkin
@Melissapeterkin 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for responding so quickly! Was asking if the negative from the starting battery needed upgrading along with the positive?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 10 месяцев назад
@Melissapeterkin no problem. yes, both cables should be upgraded.
@chrisb5839
@chrisb5839 9 месяцев назад
Can I ask a question? How many amps will a VSR send to the leisure battery if I have a 140a alternator? Will it send ALL of those amps to the leisure battery once the relay connects the two batteries? I'm currently in the process of changing from a vsr to dc to dc charger, but notice the dc to dc chargers output around 30a (depending on which one you choose), so will these chargers take longer than using a vsr? 🤔
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 8 месяцев назад
VSR output would massively vary due to a number of factors. A few being RPM of the engine or capacity of your lead acid battery bank. You don’t want to use a VSR with a lithium battery as you’ll cook alternator. Lead acid based Batteries are high resistance, therefore effectively limit themselves. Lithium chemistries are low resistance, which means they will take everything the alternator has to give which is problematic at low rpm where the alternator isn’t cooling itself as much. Additionally, VSR’s are not charges, whilst they will charge your battery. They are just relays which combined two batteries. DCDC / B2B are smart charges, which have a variety of charge profile set to properly incorrectly charge your battery to full. charging the full is something else you can’t achieved with a VSR
@chrisb5839
@chrisb5839 8 месяцев назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures yes I would only use the VSR on my current setup (lead acid) which gets it to around 80%, and the rest is topped up with solar to 100%. I'm just trying to get an idea of the current charge rate compared to a new DC to DC charger setup which would be either 18a or 30a 🤔
@Alivefrom45
@Alivefrom45 2 года назад
Cool video Alex.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Thank you very much
@igorbogdanoff4517
@igorbogdanoff4517 7 месяцев назад
This seems like an awful lot of cabling for the sake of 60amps. particularly since you only have about .75m of cable length to your leisure batteries.. Could you not have just bridged from one to another and gone to your batteries with a single run of red and black 16mm2? seems insane having eight 16mm2 cables coming off that door board
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 7 месяцев назад
As I said in the video I could have stepped from to something like 10mm2 ( or maybe less ) for the small runs after the main 50mm2 run ( which would be been fine at 35mm2, but I was using what I had ) But as now had 5m of 16mm2 spare, it may sense to use it. Bridging wouldn’t have been a good option.
@deanwoodbridge6851
@deanwoodbridge6851 Год назад
Howdy. I’m interested in more info on the trickle charger please.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
The model I use is a 12v to 12v 1A trickle charger called a E848
@nirwin
@nirwin Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures I've been looking in to this. Called up the company that make/sell them. They say it's not advisable to be used with lithium. How have you set yours up if you don't mind me asking?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
@@nirwin Most trickle chargers ( including mine) are pretty dump. They are set to charge the starter battery to a pre set voltage below the leisure battery voltage. Which is fine when both battery are lead acid based. Example my trickle charger turns on if sees the starter is 0.4v below the leisure battery and then turned off again when it’s charged up to 0.2v below Lithium has a higher resting voltage so this is a problem, in my case I use a voltage regulator to set my own “ leisure system “ to trick the trickle charger
@nirwin
@nirwin Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures ha. I see. You should do this for a living! Oh wait... 😁
@martinlawes1
@martinlawes1 2 месяца назад
silly question but, having 2 victron 30amp chargers I only need 2 wires coming from the front battery + and - and then connecting the 2 chargers together on a busbar is that right. I here everyone say they get hot but might don't?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 месяца назад
You could do it via one thick cable and a bus bar to the charges or you could do two separate smaller cables to the starter. How long have you left the running for to test before they get hot?
@martinlawes1
@martinlawes1 2 месяца назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures Thanks, the longest I've driven is about hour and a half B2B not hot. Great, what I might do is as I've got one already set up run another 2 cable then to the front battery
@peterjohnson9242
@peterjohnson9242 Год назад
Anyway your able to show me how you have linked up your negatives are they connected together in those midi fuses I have the isolated version so I am just trying to figure it out
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Justing using the M8 lugs on the end of each cable. Then stacking those lugs on the M8 post in the mega fuse holder
@peterjohnson9242
@peterjohnson9242 Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures thanks mate watched the video a few times then realised what you had done if I get stuck ill send you a messege haha do you have a insta
@1aview
@1aview Год назад
Hows them valence batteries holding up my six u27 12xp are in 2s3p for 24v and going strong
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
I used them for 2 year and never had an issue. Currently have 2 x 200ah Roamer Xtreme batteries. My valence are becoming a solar project
@grzegorzsakaluk521
@grzegorzsakaluk521 Год назад
I have same setup but one of my charger after20-30min lost 70% power and i dont know why ? When its only one its ok but together its lost the power. Temp its same of both amper from engine not change. Any idea what’s happening?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
That’s an odd one. Were both units purchased at the same time I know the generation one of the Orion had some heating issues which Victron offered to replace units. Are Cable lengths to each unit exactly the same, and are the settings exactly the same?
@Memyselfandvan
@Memyselfandvan Год назад
Great video mate, where can I find those specific surface 12v fans?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Thank you. If you clicked of my Amazon store link In the description, they are fine the particular models i ordered on one of the lists
@Memyselfandvan
@Memyselfandvan Год назад
Found them on aliexpress
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
They will be cheaper there, I think paid £9 ish on Amazon but it was prime next day delivery
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 25 дней назад
hi. my victron dc chargers are only putting out 2 to 6 amps .they 18 and 30 amp.were working ok but only about 30 amps max.i have another 12amp dc charger working ok that’s on separate circuit supplies agm battery to my stereo.12v campervan t4 setup.i have victron smart shunt and solar too.any ideas?i have tried swap to power supply mode and checked settings too.regular alternator .thanks.steve
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 24 дня назад
Odd, sounds like the Alternator isn’t outputting. My smart alternator ( I know you said yours in a regular ) has a similar effect on my chargers when it does into smart regen mode ( van stops its output ) , when my DCDC charger are only outputting a low Amps.
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 21 день назад
it’s up to 10amps not brilliant eh.my other dc charger off ebay still ok 12 amp model about 7 year old that
@james.frost.4793
@james.frost.4793 Год назад
Hey, have you come across any issues using the engine detection? I'm about to install a second orion and was told I had to run an ignition live to switch on both units??
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Nope, I have not come across any issues with engine detection with two units. But I did make sure all cabling was identical in length. I could see within reason why are you may get an issue if different cables length meant the unit had a different input voltage.
@RayCasey2010
@RayCasey2010 Год назад
why can't ya just use the input power from the Alternator to power the fans?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Input side is always live so fans would always been running. The input side isn’t just the alternator. It’s the alternator and starter battery running in parallel. So the ignition live is needed so that the fans only turn on when the engine is started. Otherwise the fans would drain the starter battery as they would still be running when the vehicle was off.
@897aa33
@897aa33 2 года назад
Hi Alex. Struggling to find video installing ccp point. If you have deleted what is part number please? Thanks
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Video is still up and called “Ford Transit | How to Upgrade the Customer Connection Point / CCP. Battery location + Replacement”
@r2andy
@r2andy 2 года назад
Great video. Just a quick question, what was the name of the trickle charger you mentioned? All the best. 👍
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Is you search on eBay “1amp trickle charger E848” you should find the one I use
@Amiziras
@Amiziras 2 года назад
Do you have it wired up with a relay to stop it coming on when engine is running? Or does it not matter?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
The trickle charger? Its doesn’t matter It’s smart-ish. It’s only turns on when it’s senses the starter battery is 0.2 volts below the leisure battery / input voltage. To confuse things I use a dc to dc converter to make the input voltage 12.4v so the trickle charger only turns on when the starts drops to 12.2v. So it doesn’t matter is the engine is running or not
@TheMattK2011
@TheMattK2011 2 года назад
I've more or less got the same setup as you and was going to also ask about the starter battery maintainer, I've been planning to use a VOTRONIC StandBy Charger, but I will look at your product. Keep up the good work :)
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
I had looked into the Votronic but it wouldn’t of worked for me as my starter and leisure system are isolated
@nirwin
@nirwin Год назад
The 2 pole switch - is that a constant 12v feed or an ignition live feed?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Ignition
@nirwin
@nirwin Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures Thanks for clarifying. Guessing take a feed out the fuse box in the cab to the switch and feed that to the remote in.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
My transit has a ignition live wire in the seat. But a piggyback fuse to the correct fuse in the fuse box would work
@ChrisYid
@ChrisYid Год назад
Hello mate, Great video. Ive got a question though. Im currently running 1 set of 16mm² from my starter battery to 1 Orion DCDC charger at the back of my van in the garage area about 8 metres in length (Typical Peugeot Boxer L3H2 setup) and id like to add a 2nd Orion. Question is do i need to upgrade the cables from starter battery to something bigger to compensate for more amperage? Have you got a schematic on your set up please? All the best Love your videos 📹 ❤️
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Hey! I’d definitely not want to run 2 Orion’s on one 8 Meter 16mm2 cable. The voltage trip would be pretty large. That could be up to 75A on the input side. 16mm2 is rated to 110A ( I think ) so your cable would be getting toasty! You could run a second 16mm2. Or what I did was run a new 50mm2 ( 35mm2 would of done ) and then split it down to 16mm2 at the units
@ChrisYid
@ChrisYid Год назад
Thanks mate I did think that 🤣 it's cool I've got it running underneath the van in copex upto the battery box so will get some bigger cable and pull it through.. So connect my 35mm² or 50mm² to bus bars yeah and then from that 16mm² to my Orions yeah Cheers Chris
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
@chrissperrin7903 doesn’t necessarily have to be a bus bar. I used a mega fuse holder as a way to easily connect. 50mm2 lug on one side and 2 x 16mm lugs in the other.
@ChrisYid
@ChrisYid Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures nice one... what fuse holders are they? Have you got a link?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
@chrissperrin7903 any “mega fuse holder” pretty general time should be fine. They use Largest studs than a midi fuse.
@LawrenceL1000
@LawrenceL1000 Год назад
I have a question. I just installed a 12/24 15a b2b with shunt for a 24v lifepo4 batt….. I would like to install a second 12/12 30amp b2b for a 12v lifepo4 batt with shunt… Would I be able to power them both via the same 0awg +/- lines from the alternator? Seems like they would be considered 2 separate systems because their output sides are independent of each other although their inputs sides are fed by the same source. Am I looking at this correctly? Any insight is appreciated!
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Hello, I don’t see why you can’t use the same feed on that input side. As long as it’s large enough, cable diameter to support the combined load
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Hello, I don’t see why you can’t use the same feed on that input side. As long as it’s large enough, cable diameter to support the combined load
@LawrenceL1000
@LawrenceL1000 Год назад
Thank you!
@TheMattK2011
@TheMattK2011 2 года назад
Have you ever thought of starting a Facebook group, to share ideas and promote your chanel? "Lithium powered campervan" or the like?
@robww5921
@robww5921 2 года назад
Love this video. Thinking about doing the same. Specing van now. Standard is 140 alternator. Can upgrade this to 250 but that then must have an additional aGM which I don't want. Any thoughts on what best to choose?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
I wouldn’t put a 75amp load on a 140amp alternator, I think that would be too much for it. What is the reasoning behind needing an additional AGM if you go for the large 250A alternator?
@robww5921
@robww5921 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures just the way the vans get specced from factory. Bigger alternators come with AGM batteries. In my case I want the bigger alternator but not an AGM as will go lithium. Not sure whether to go bigger alternator and AGM which will essentially be quite redundant and then Lithium, or by time alternator done engine, AGM and Lithium I might as well had smaller alternator and just engine and Lithium batteries
@robww5921
@robww5921 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures alternatively, how easy is it to put a more power alternator in aftermarket?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Should be too hard. I replaced my alternator on my old van after it died, a few hours to do it with simple tools
@stephenbulmer7148
@stephenbulmer7148 2 года назад
AWESOME cheers
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
No problem at all
@brentownsend1414
@brentownsend1414 2 года назад
Are the fans wired/connected to the chargers so they come on when the charger starts charging?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
No, but the fans are wired to an ignition live, and if the ignition isn’t on then the charges won’t be on. So they are not directly wired to the chargers but they are wire so that they will only come on if the charger is on. As that clearly in happen if the ignition is on
@roach6791
@roach6791 Год назад
Awesome, I have been wanting to do the same thing. I always get around 23-24 amps on my single B2B setup and always wanted more. Learning that they can be cooled to make them more efficient makes me even happier. I wonder if setting up a fan pointed directly at the alternator during idle would be beneficial or just overkill?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Definitely cooling them helps a lot. I have a whole dedicated video on that. As for cooling the alternator, depends on a few factors. My 220A alternator after idle for 30 minutes with both B2B running ( 32.5A outputs on each ) only got Alternator temps of 70c. Which is fine in my face
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 21 день назад
i’m having to top up my lifepo4 battery off mains every few days now.bit of waste of victron power eh 😂
@fester.
@fester. 2 года назад
16mm2 should not be getting warm at all,that cable will take 110a,i have two like you using 16mm2 marine cable and the cable stays cold,great build
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
warm is relative to the scene. Any current flowing through a wire will change the temperature of it against the surroundings. which is why thermals are often used for diagnosing electrical issues. In this case the 16mm cable probably only changed a degree or two But the thermal camera would see that. Whilst if you were physically touching it you might not notice there was a different
@fester.
@fester. 10 месяцев назад
yeah i use a hikmicro m20 camera to check all my wiring @@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 10 месяцев назад
Nice thermal camera that 👌
@calwit1164
@calwit1164 2 года назад
How close to the Victon B2B need to be to the van starter battery? Does it need to go between or can it stay next to my batteries for the camper side? Hope that makes sense x
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
It’s considered closer to the leisure battery/house batteries the better. Reason being is there will be power losses along the cable it’s better to have losses between the starter battery and the B2B because B2B will just draw more to compensate ( more or less ) losses from the starter battery. But you want the least amount of losses possible from the output of the B2B to be into your leisure system because don’t want to loose charge potential. longer the distance , more potential for loss a along the cable. These losses might be small but it’s generally best to have the unit placed as efficient as possible
@calwit1164
@calwit1164 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures thank you. Do you have any affiliated links to the metal backing plates? X
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Thank you for asking but unfortunately no. They were just standard aluminium checker plate I bought from my local DIY shop and then cut down to size
@David_11111
@David_11111 2 года назад
so the question .... if your battery bank was low... how long will it now take to charge off the engine if your driving ??? :)
@pau1phi11ips
@pau1phi11ips 2 года назад
Depends on how big your battery is. One Victron B2B would recharge mine in about 18 hours driving. But my battery is fairly big.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
With my cooling I get continuous output of 65amp. So that’s 65ah an hour. I have a 390ah lithium bank with a “low voltage” cut off of 20% Which is 78ah left. 312ah of used energy. So 4 hours of driving to get fully charged. ( and that’s excluding any solar ) However most of the morning I’m 70% in the winter so about a hour of driving.
@David_11111
@David_11111 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures its funny how one needs 18 hours and yours needs only 4.. but your bank is well documented on your channel. The obvious answer is it take whatever time is needed, Your solution must almost be at the maximin charge rate :) Do you see any way to get more power in them faster :) only asking because Power is everyone's need ... and I think you have done about everything possible :)
@pau1phi11ips
@pau1phi11ips 2 года назад
@@David_11111 Alex has 2 chargers Vs my 1 and he has active cooling which helps to boost the output. Plus my battery is bigger... I think. 280Ah @ 24V (560Ah @ 12V).
@yann911
@yann911 11 месяцев назад
im only get 7 to 16 ah on one. how do you get 35?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 11 месяцев назад
It would be A / Amp not Ah / Amp hour. 7-16A is ridiculously low. Have you definitely got the 12V 30a model? As for how I get 30+ on each one is cooling
@duncanhall224
@duncanhall224 Год назад
Where did you get the base plates behing the orions from?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Just normal aluminium checker plate / diamond plate I bought from a hardware shop and cut down to size
@Ian-kr6xk
@Ian-kr6xk Год назад
Did the cooling kits and ducting ever take off?
@mcjjordan
@mcjjordan 2 года назад
Where did you get the clamp meter that does dc?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
There is a Amazon Store list link in the description and that should have it listed under one of the lists
@malcolmdavid722
@malcolmdavid722 Год назад
If the cables at the door hinge point went up vertical and then back down vertical, for say 200-300mm the movement and stress would be much less….
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
The door is rarely opened and the cables have a good amount of slack in them. So I’m worried. Sure as you have said there would of been other ways
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
The door is rarely opened and the cables have a good amount of slack in them. So I’m worried. Sure as you have said there would of been other ways
@malcolmdavid722
@malcolmdavid722 Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures thanks Quick question: Does a dcdc charger and mppt in parallel deliver both currents added together ? I have Victron inverter, not sure whether to go Victron or Renology with separate or combined dcdc and mppt ….. any thoughts ?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Yes, if I’m driving and it’s sunny. I’ll get both the dcdc and mppt at the same time. As they both have the same change profile they play nice together
@David_11111
@David_11111 2 года назад
yay
@MrDangari
@MrDangari Год назад
Thank you for the video! I have installed two victron orion chargers in an almost same way as you. Unforunately, it seems that one charger reads correct house battery voltage while the other reads incorrectly. From my testing it seems the charger that is "closer " to the battery bank (via bus bar) reads the correct voltage and the charger that is further reads a higher voltage.. Wondering if you ran into this problem during your install?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
That’s an odd one. Same wire thickness on both? Same about of connections
@MrDangari
@MrDangari Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures Yep same size output cables and similar length. It's so strange
@hennnnerz
@hennnnerz 10 месяцев назад
@@MrDangari Because the 1st one affects the voltage for the 2nd one. Did you solve this?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 10 месяцев назад
They shouldn’t necessarily do that if all the cables are the same be that the length and resistance, maybe there’s a loose connection on one of the lugs, which is increasing the resistance slightly, therefore the not equal
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 21 день назад
think i should triple my dc chargers to increase watts .
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 20 дней назад
You can do. It’s maybe the new Victron Orion XS 50A
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 20 дней назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures only gettin 18amps amp clamp by battery same before victron think its alternator it was uprated off eBay Need Bosch genuine new
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 20 дней назад
Is 90amps ok or maybe 120amps better
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 20 дней назад
Got Vw t4 2.5tdi
@stevemcgowan3017
@stevemcgowan3017 20 дней назад
One lifepo4 leisure battery and use 105ah arm for my stereo separate circuit
@goingmouch3753
@goingmouch3753 2 года назад
Lol, well funny… It’s not that I need it… I want it
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Might as well be honest. i don’t need to recharge faster I’ve been fine for the last year but who doesn’t want to recharge faster if they can!
@goingmouch3753
@goingmouch3753 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures Couldn’t agree more especially if you already had a cable… It’s the future, a large battery bank puka blue gear… Run your hot water ,heating gaming and your cooking …probably everything..the way forward
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
If I had a larger inverter I would definitely consider doing hot water off a instant electric hot water heater
@pau1phi11ips
@pau1phi11ips 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures I turned my 1 B2B off for the trip back from Fontainebleau this Easter. I feel like I gained 4ish mpg. Maybe it was in my head but it felt like it watching the reading on the dash. If you can recharge faster, it's probably better, especially with a smart alternator.
@jistjadfitzpatrick9305
@jistjadfitzpatrick9305 2 года назад
Does the remote pin need to be wired for it to detect engine power on/off/for it to work at all?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
If you didn’t want to used a external switch like I have and just rely on the automatic engine detection which would work perfectly fine. you just need to have the green plug on the remote pins which has the small wire bridge between both pins.
@ronaldsneek
@ronaldsneek 2 года назад
Why not charge with a 65 Amp Victron battery protect? The Orion goes from 0 to 30 Amps in 1 second, bad for your alternator.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
You can’t change with a Victron battery protect, well technically you could. but it would be no different from a split charge relay and they are not the best way to charge batteries anyway. They are just a smart relay, no control on over charging, with lithium batteries, they withdraw absolutely maximum amperage possible, using Orion is the charge amps are limited. With a VBP Unlike Victorn chargers or any actual charger which has charge profiles for different battery chemistries. Example being my alternator will output 14.7v, just using a Victron battery protect as a charger that means my leisure system will also receive 14.7v which is well outside a safe or healthy voltage for my batteries. As for “bad for your alternator” having an appropriate size alternator is more important. Additionally, anything which the alternator itself could not output in the original start-up split second the starter battery would, the system is effectively in parallel with it would pick up the excess.
@erroneouscode
@erroneouscode Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures Your last sentence is where I think most B2B DC-DC chargers have failings in their design, and the older VSR relays better isolated the two battery systems. Take for example a system where you have 300-400Ah or more of lithium batteries and you're effectively putting the starter battery in parallel with the larger aux lithium battery bank the moment ignition key is turned to on. Now, add the delay to engine start with cold starting a diesel engine while glow plugs are heating. (some diesel engines still have 30 second or more wait for glow plug light to go out. Then the actual cranking amps itself taken out of the battery. That is potentially a lot of current demand from the starter battery before the engine is even running. Add to that all the modern loads on the starter battery the moment the key is on (daytime running lights, electric fuel pump, etc etc) Put two DC-DC chargers together and their current draw is doubled along with other pre start loads. The problem is exacerbated the larger the aux battery bank because likely a higher amp model of DC-DC charger is chosen and fitted to charge it in a timely manner. When the engine does start it has to replenish the main battery, and feed the DC-DC charger(s). I put a switch on the ignition sense wire of my DC-DC charger (not Victron) because of this, and only open the switch when the engine is actually running. The main battery is already under enough repeated stress in modern vehicles.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
@@erroneouscode I don’t really see how it’s a design flaw with B2B’s. B2B shouldn’t be on with an engine off. I don’t know who would put a B2B on a ignition live Victron B2B’s can be run on any signal switch you want, normally engine live ( and not an ignition live ) or manual switch. And/or built in engine detection voltage sensor. Normal set up for Victron B2B is to sense the van system voltage to tell if when to turn on and with a delay as well after engine start before charge starts. I would disagree on this principle you are that a B2B is putting your aux battery in parallel with a starter when using B2B. They were are a one-way limited output charger ( which is make aux battery size irrelevant in this, but yes there is a likely hood of a larger B2B ) and not like a split charge relay which is truly paralleling the them. Most modern vans are designed for AUX loads and manuals normal give recommendation on customer connection points, specs of models, alternator and starter batteries depends on end users planned Aux loads Both VSR and B2B are just as isolated at each other when off.
@erroneouscode
@erroneouscode Год назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures " I don’t really see how it’s a design flaw with B2B’s. B2B shouldn’t be on with an engine off. I don’t know who would put a B2B on a ignition live" From that I take it your experience with various different brand DC-DC chargers is somewhat limited because a great many of them do, and some require the connection for the DC-DC to even switch on. It's in their manuals. They have IGN sense which entails connecting a sense wire be fitted to a circuit that is only live when ignition is on. Which as you know means the connection between the two battery systems is open to pass current the moment ignition lights are on. If the engine stalls the DC-DC charger will continue to suck power directly from the main battery, as it will during any delay taken to turn the key (as in waiting for glow plugs). An engine live circuit is far more difficult to find and tap into or even understand for some novices which is probably why some brands specify ignition live because the product is aimed far more at the DIY consumer market. Not every vehicle has either readily physical access to tap in points, is labelled with X marks the spot as in some vans obviously, and or easily accessed circuit diagrams that a novice DIY type can understand and use. Manufacturers know that. Also, I didn't mention vans. Van fitment is a minuscule part of the overall vehicle numbers that DC-DC chargers are fitted to. 4WD utes and wagons by far would be the primary market for DC-DC chargers.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
I’m familiar with a number of B2B brands ( many renogy, sterling ) which normal get fitted with normally D+ signal which is meant to be a Drive signal. Although you will see some company use “drive” signal and “ignition“ signal like they are the same things I am just seen these anyone experience these issues with the B2B’s in this part of the market, whilst you didn’t mention van, this context this video vans and campervans which do normally have a medium to large Alternators for run large Aux loads. B2B’s do not make an open connection between both batteries. Its starter battery powers a device / charger, which regulates a limited currant with a regulated amp and voltage depending on your charge profile. Not a connection between batteries like a VSR You’re not going flatted a starter battery with a 30amp or even 60amp B2B charger running and if you stall and the normal ( a few seconds ) time taken to restart it unless or looks out of cracking apps as there is already a load like that. Speaking as a person who has stalled my van a number of them. Is this an issue you personal run into?
@timradchuk2822
@timradchuk2822 2 года назад
Does anyone know if I can use a regular 12 volt ac charger and run it through the DC to DC charger to save money on an expensive ac lithium charger?
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Do you mean using a AC 230v main charger for 12 volt dc to Power the input side of the DC to DC charger? I don’t necessarily see why you couldn’t as long as the AC charger you are using could supply enough amps. Although there Victron wall charger which can charge lithium is half the price of a dc to dc
@timradchuk2822
@timradchuk2822 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures I'm in US so I'm talking about a regular lead acid 12 volt charger or something that converts 120 to 12 volts. Connect that to a Victron Orion on the input side so I can regulate the charge for my sensitive Discovery Lithium Blue batteries. This way I could save a bunch of money on a fancy AC charger converter. I don't see the input being any different than that if a alternators. Only concern is if the Victron charger/chargers will stop the current which I assume they will when the batteries are full
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Ah I see what you mean. Yeah be your AC mains 120v in the Dtates or European 230 V the core principle is the same. I don’t believe in that input side of the Orion particularly cares where the power comes from alternator, another battery bank hopefully a charger acting as a power supply. As long as you’re 12V charger can output probably around 35amps it’s should work. Orions of efficiency of about 87% so you’ll need a slightly higher input to get to the 30 amp output. I don’t personally know at the moment what happens if your power supply is under the 30amp. If the Orion just tries to convert what it can get or won’t work at all if it can’t get 30amp worth
@timradchuk2822
@timradchuk2822 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures This is a very interesting idea and I don't see anyone doing it. This might be the beginning of a new way to save a lot of people a lot of money and get people the opportunity who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford an expensive Ac converter. I do wonder if there is a good reason it's not being done.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
I would’ve thought as a separate AC to DC charger is half the price of the Orion DC to DC. The Victron Blue Smart 30A charger ( 120v or 230v AC to 12v DC ) which can charge lithium is almost half the price of the Victron Orion DC to DC
@anthony445
@anthony445 9 месяцев назад
18:18
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 9 месяцев назад
My little spider friend?
@СергійВойко-з2й
Слава Україні
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
I 100% agree
@СергійВойко-з2й
@@MispronouncedAdventures скажи пожалуста. Инвертора Phoenix smart 5000BA victron, подерживают паралелейную или трех фазную работу? Спасибо за ранее за ответ.
@СергійВойко-з2й
@@MispronouncedAdventures я з корпорации ин Юкрейн. Город Житомир.
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures Год назад
Hey, Normally I see it on the Victron Multiplus & Quattro inverter can do parallel and three-phase configuration. Those inverters use VE.bus for communication. The Phoenix depends on the model. Most of the modern “Victron Phoenix inverters use VE.direct” ( that comes in the plastic case ) and “Victron Phoenix Smart” unfortunately it’s not possible. The Phoenix models in the large metal case “Victron Phoenix” & “Victron Phoenix compact” can do parallel and three phase. I hope that helps
@СергійВойко-з2й
@@MispronouncedAdventures спасибо. Я примерно так и думал. Но все же решил уточнить. Случайно зашёл на твой канал. Искал информацию об оборудовании Victron. У нас в Украине тяжело найти специалистов. В интернете много информации, но вся на английском языке. Тяжеловато переводить, так как английский не знаю. У себя собираю станцию солнечную на 20 кВт. Много вопросов. Выбрал victron. Нидерланды. Дорого но говорят, проверено и надёжно. Хотя поставки идут, и любое оборудование можно заказать в Украину, срок поставки 5 недель.
@marksweep1970
@marksweep1970 2 года назад
Far too complex for my intelligence.
@vandamonium1731
@vandamonium1731 2 года назад
rip alternator
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Not likely with a 220a alternator and looking at the ford upfitters manual for size of Aux loads. Evening doing 30 minutes idle test with a thermal camera show operating temperatures of the alternator well within operating specifications. It’s not like big B2B’s are anything new. Renorgy, voltonic and Sterling have been doing 50A,60A & 70A for years and I’ve next heard of something burning out a appropriately sized alternator.
@vandamonium1731
@vandamonium1731 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures yes the alternator is plenty strong enough but from a person who has dealt with large audio systems for the last 3 decades i do know that heat cycling an alternator under that much load with no airflow melts the protective covering around the coil windings along with cracking the brushes, if you want to continue doing that either fit a fan to blow cool air at the alternator or fit a second non smart one like we have with our RV.. EVEN VICTRON DONE A VIDEO stating that suggest you do more research if your charging lithium
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
On top of the at. I have a switch on that dash I can turn both or one off during the summer as I don’t need both. But being in the Arctic in winter they were great
@vandamonium1731
@vandamonium1731 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures ok clearly you appear to know better but ive never struggled for power up here in Sirkka with our setup, i wish you the best of travels
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
The Victron video you referenced is not a great example for this occasion. as I’m not charging “lithium” like in the video, I’m powering a charger, batteries chemistry is irrelevant in that sense. However the video does make good points. The point of that video was in encourage the sale of their DCDC or buck boost but they show the charging a lithium battery unrestricted & directly off an alternator ( two types old traditional style or more modern sorted ) but they don’t have a equivalent of a starter battery is System ( they also don’t mention the rated output of those alternators in the video ) it was good to see my alternator had lower temperatures at lower rpms than there tests. Whilst I don’t disagree cooling is important and cooling is obvious directly related to rpm. I don’t run the van at idle for Charging ( my previous reference to 30 minutes was for testing )
@naughtysquirrelontheroad1542
@naughtysquirrelontheroad1542 2 года назад
Got to ask the common question. Does the amount of load mean your alternator could burn out sooner even though the amps are ok? And what type of fan are you using please? 😁
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Good question not entirely sure how to answer. Whilst yes I would suspect if the unit is working harder than there is a likelihood for you to increase the wear and tear in the unit. However if the unit is still working well within its operating specifications how much effect that has I don’t know. As I’m using a 220 amp alternator a load of this size is acceptable. As for the fans they are 12 V blower fans but the next video will be about those
@naughtysquirrelontheroad1542
@naughtysquirrelontheroad1542 2 года назад
@@MispronouncedAdventures yeah kinda what I was thinking. Will be interesting. I thought about doing this and then backed out because I figured it might put too much strain on the alternator. It will be interesting to see how your goes 😁 Ok cool, looking forward to the fan vid then as I defo wanna do something similar on the cooling, thanks for the idea 😁
@MispronouncedAdventures
@MispronouncedAdventures 2 года назад
Using the Ford transit outfitters menu as guidance it seems I’ve got the acceptable alternator for this size of Aux load. The fan videos is pretty good I think
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