Douglas Murray brands Norman Finkelstein a ‘psychopath’ 

Nope. One doesn’t debate with Hitler. Finklestein is no different. Douglas is right; NF Is a psychopath. One doesn’t honor such toxic ppl by treating thrm as ppl Of reason and hood faith

Finkelstein would never be in a debate with Murray

@@1984isnotamanual I think he would ...he'll debate Ben Shapiro so he might be open to do so

Yea, this really exposes Murray. Even his most ardent fanboys are noticing the cracks on this one.

@@samphyllobates4765 oh really, did Ben accept or address why he declined if he did?

Finkelstein would wipe the floor with him, and he knows it.

@@2_wicked ROTFLMAO. Apparently you have NEVER seen Murray debate anyone. He would tear Finklestein into the little shards of filthy rags of falsehoods his entire argument is based upon. Thanks for the laugh. I'd love to know where Finklestein's funding comes from. Also google Finklestein and then Murray. Murray will draw hundreds of more hits as a person who is referenced than Bozo Finklestein.

And why? Because Piers was SHOCKED to silence by his claims that he did not know about the details of the rampage? A professor "expert on the situation" who did not bother to follow up on the facts as they were reported?

Jesus saves x 🙏❤️

Indeed your internet handle is appropriate. @@2_wicked

@@cold_static bout a lot

Norman is not normal. He keeps using emotional arguments, and he is an ex Mao and China lover. Likes communists. I don't trust communists not a bit.

Plus Norman earned great deal of money on pro Palestine speeches for years.

Rational discussion is useful only when there is a significant base of shared assumptions.

@@barbara_mat6789 I am pretty sure he would have earned more if he would get money from Israel.

So murray is offended

So you do have not an easy but real way to check him. Murray was not "offended" when he arrived at the place to check. So, let's raise money - here are a lot of fans of Finkelstein, I believe they will be glad to donate to you, hire your own experts, come here, and check and refute if you will find evidence for Finkilsten well ../. 'narrative' (PC version of lie and slander). Do it, just do it, do not talk!

​@@yanovskiym63actually what Finkelstein says about the Zionists is watered down. So you instead of being arrogantly ignorant or biased. Why don't you do your homework and start prior to 1917 crimes were older than that by Zionist terrorists. Really the west has one of two options , help bring justice to the Palestinians or well war is brewing and well I don't think that you will be with the same arrogance once it starts and you try to find bread.

Or wrong.

He wouldn't meet with D. Murray in a duscussion. He is not an honast man I think.

There are a lot of people who won't "platform" certain opponents. For example, here in the US many people won't debate Alex Jones on whether Sandy Hook really happened.

Murray with no evidence and facts wouldn't last 2 seconds and he knows it. He refuses to properly debate anyone on anything. He is just a shock showman.

@@EmptyDisc1 murray is full of shit, period. with a straight face he claims gaza is not a concentration camp because someone managed to escape it. that claim alone will get him forever laughed out of the room with the adults and demoted to doing rants on piers morgan. he's so blinded by his bigotry he fully parrots the ridiculous "raped and beheaded" claims with 0 evidence, and he's supposed to be a journalist by the way. there's a reason why in any circle that's not white middle-class britain he's viewed as a joke.

Doug would have been destroyed by Norman. Otherwise, he would have gladly debated him.

Norman does a fine job of discrediting himself every time he speaks. It's impossible to win a debate with a psychopath.

You might want to ask IDF whether it was one of the HE tank shells they fired on civilian houses that did that to your cousins. Like the many burned and charred bodies at the music festival, victims of IDF hellfire missiles. May their death not be in vain. May it lead you to struggle for truth.

Very sorry for your loss. May they Rest in Peace. I have also lost my father to terrible violence when I was young. I would say though that two wrongs never make a right. Civilians in such high numbers and specially women and children killed in such high numbers is a cause for concern for anyone who cares about humanity. I hope all the hostages can come back home and eventually a two state solution seems the only way out to me that has a chance in the long run of providing real peace and security.

So sorry for your loss and for the unbelievable antisemitism arising in the world now. Please know that many sane and rational people support the Jewish people and are sickened by the events of October 7 th. May your family somehow find peace and may peace come to Israel as soon as possible.

@@Rommyaly What a load of absolute communist bullsh*t.

@@abidfarooqui4899 , sorry for your father. The difference is that my people only respond back and ask that your people civilian will move from harms ways. I wish my cousin had 24 hour to leave .. or even an hour . I’m not sure about 2 state anymore Gazans are shown they are not interested in peace. Israel gave the land but no peace ever came. It’s your to start putting pressure on Egypt and Jordan to take part in the solution as we can’t continuously shrink israel as respond to Arab invasion. People who are whose aims are destruction and terrorism don’t have a right to a state . We suffered enough . Now it’s time to reclaim our rights as free people in our land. I do thank you though for kind words usually Muslims laugh at me when I mention my cousin.

"you don't care about innocent Palestinians" is an example.

@PatrickAshe41 Murray's accusations?

@@davidbrown2625all my empathy goes to Israeli victims, families of hostages and hostages

"Usually" Doesnt make it true 😂

Gaza is no such thing as a concentration camp.... and if anyone is responsable for making gaza into a prison camp... The classic NO it's not true but if it is true...

There are plenty to choose from. I just looked at his Twitter timelines and he's going with the lie that Israel built all the tunnels under the hospital (truth is they built some basement-level facilities, but not under the recently built Qatari built building the tunnel network was found under.)

He won't because he's not.

Who is telling lies?

@@admirosmani3765 - Yep. We'll never get a good answer if the people disagreeing won't discuss in person. I lean towards Murray on his views, but it disappoints me that if he feels so confident in his opinion, why not debate?

@@matthewsands3591 - Did Finklestein say that Oct 7 didn't happen as Murray stated? If so, that would be one lie. To be honest, I haven't listened to an entire interview of Finklestein, so I don't know.

"To Learn Who Rules over you, Simply find out who you aren't allowed to Criticise " - Voltaire.

Wounded combat vets? @@mariahewitt9787

Voltaire was a vicious anti-Semite. You can look that up.

​@@mariahewitt9787 That would mean Islam rules over us

@@jonathanjones2270 Islam is Light and consistent. The world would be much better under Islam. the zionists need to go

Yes his a coward and full of lies,

Anyone who debates Norman Finkelstein on Israel -Gaza gets destroyed. He is so well versed on the subject

Exactly

I wouldnt debate a nazi either.

It wasn't an ad hominem attack at all. He cited a very specific example of Norman Finkelstein's psychopathy [i.e.-a tendency to lie often, which is one of the classic signs of a psychopath] specifically as it relates to the October 7th attack by Hamas, and Finkelstein's continued referral to Gaza as a "concentration camp".

@@danh5150 all he said was "holocaust denial" "lost credibility" "cancelled" without giving a single shred of evidence of those alleged lies. murray is all bark no bite as usual. he couldn't use the antisemitism card to dismiss the man so he had to use a few extra words

​@@danh5150Gaza IS a concentration camp. Look up the definition or that term on Google if you do not believe me.

@@jeannedarc7533 The average UNRWA executive compensation is $237,168 a year. The median estimated compensation for executives at UNRWA including base salary and bonus is $239,672, or $115 per hour. At UNRWA, the most compensated executive makes $700,000, annually, and the lowest compensated makes $50,000. - the average Gazan lives on 13 euro per day (More than we had when i was a child xD) while they leaders living on 10 billion plus in Qatar. Everbody earns money on this for except the people who should. Saudi+Iran+Russa+North Korea profits from the UNRWA money the HAMAS gives them for weapons on a daily basis. But ofc, Its all Israel's fault. The Arab league attacked them in 1947 and lost. End of. They aint got a country there any time soon. No they left Husseini's Arabs (now known as Palestinians) to annoy the US. And now we see the bleeding fruit of their agenda. The Palestinian Identity is just as artificial as the geographical Israel. - The amount of money here should be able to facilitate more than a concentration camp. And you haven't seen a concentration camp. They don't have air conditioning. West bank is far worse. Because the PLO can handle money. ... of course. Sorry but Norman is a lame hypocrite just like the UNRWA board and especially HAMAS.

Just listen to Finkelstein attack Bill Maher - he called him a sack of s***t and other things. Finkelstein is not a respectable man

"Bromance " deary me.🤡

When someone is talking such sense from such first-hand knowledge as Douglas, who would want to interrupt?

@@saltburner2 Fifth-columnists

@@saltburner2 Douglas Murray is a self described Christian atheist, a gay who has said that he believes that homosexuality "is an unstable component on which to base an individual identity and a hideously unstable way to try and base any form of group identity". What a confused mess of a man.

@@saltburner2 yes, (non)sense. Only a pea brain would confuse a flurry of ad hominem attacks for "sense"

Shut up

And ... of course ... the self always is certain that the self is the one and only reason that "being able to 'reason' exists. lol We certainly don't want to perceive that our self is a psychopath ... do we? "Everyone has a right to self determination. Your enemy does not have to be my enemy." Nelson Mandela

There were no No Attacks on civilians on the 7th. Just collateral. 500/1200-1300 (they keep magically decreasing) were soldiers. 'Out of 769 names, 462 military (55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants of whom 45 are sergeants majors, 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 13 captains, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, 2 Lance Corp). It was a Military defeat, they are taking it out on the rest' - analysis of datasheet from haaretz.

@@ranro7371 When it pertains to that ongoing war ... they are all terrorists. Even Jews hate other Jews. And survival of the fittest usually wins over care of others. Example: Jews hate the word Nazi ... yet during the war ... to save their own lives ... some Jews were willing to pretend that they WERE Nazis. Are you aware that Jews in ancient history were polytheists ... with belief in the existence of many gods? Are you aware that because of monotheism started by some Jews ... that Jews took each other to "earthly" court ... to "try" to prove who the real religious Jews were compared to the fake religious Jews? Are you aware of how many Jews in Israel live in poverty? Jews are just ordinary people ... self-serving ... confused by religion and life in general ... which is enough to confuse anyone. And when it pertains to religion, even nonsense will seem to make sense. Example … from the book, “A History of God,” by Karen Armstrong ... "Yet it is also true that even in Auschwitz some Jews continued to study the Talmud and observe the traditional festivals, not because they hoped that God would rescue them but because it made sense. There is a story that one day in Auschwitz, a group of Jews put God on trial. They charged him with cruelty and betrayal. Like Job, they found no consolation in the usual answers to the problem of evil and suffering in the midst of this current obscenity. They could find no excuse for God, no extenuating circumstances, so they found him guilty and, presumably, worthy of death. The Rabbi pronounced the verdict. Then he looked up and said that the trial was over: it was time for the evening prayers."

@@ranro7371 What a strange list Haaretz has compiled there. Soldiers and privates counted separately? Commanders and officers, as well as various types of officer? I though Haaretz was at least somewhat logically coherent; their standards have clearly slipped way way down!

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ISRAEL AT WAR At approx. 00:35 the Norman Finkelstein is just such a person If I can give just one example He repeatedly in ..that interview.. referred to Gaza as a concentration camp -Gaza is no such thing as a concentration camp and Norman Finkelstein knows that very very well -every single Jew was removed from Gaza forcibly in 2005 by the Israeli government -in 2006 the people of Gaza had an election and they elected Hamas Hm...not sure what he meant: but if this Douglas guy really reasons in a way: "No Jews in- no way that the place is concentration camp" Well...speechless! Honestly, I didn't know that Jews were key ingredients for concentration camps. Besides, WW2 concentration camps ERASED approximately 15 MILLIONS PEOPLE, that is 9 MILLIONS of NON-Jews as well.

He didn't he said jews were thrown out of their homes and businesses to let Palastinians in which is true.

@@christinehomer2185and you were there I presume? You saw this happen? Fantasists be fantasising 🙄

@@bilalreb4564 it was literally televised in 2005 idiot

You need to get a dictionary just to look up the definition of the word dictionary.

Douglas's truth hurts 😂

@@MusicLover-01Gutless Murray has no truth, only lies.

​@@MusicLover-01 lol what hurts is seeing douglas' pause before answering piers question about having a debate with norman.. sad guy made up a lotta bs excuse to avoid it.

"I don't want to debate a Holocaust denier in real time anymore than I want to debate a denier of the last Holocaust" was his response but your interpretation was very creative and special indeed

Of course he wouldn't, Murray would be too scared, he's more used to debating half baked journalists on talk shows where everyone is supposed to talk for 5 minutes at the most.

@@benblair2591it’s a very silly answer. Finklestein barely has a landline, he wrote the sub stack text without knowing. The newspaper isn’t written very fast it needs time to be printed

@@benblair2591 it’s just an excuse and we all know it. Uses ad hominem as opposed to debating actual legitimate points. You can’t debate someone that’s dedicated their entire life in studying this one conflict. That boy Douglas knows it and many others like Ben Shapiro know it too. Their arguments will crumble due to the insurmountable evidence Finkelstein will lay out to them. Just check out how he dismantles Dershowitz back in the day. The truth is hard to take in when you’re an extremist Israeli

@@benblair2591 Yet, our Dougie, Ben, has a reputation as a fierce debater who slays opponents in debate. Jordan Peterson, no less, tells us that. Mr. Peterson talked of 'his love of debate'. And the claim that Professor Finkelstein is a holocaust denier is ludicrous in the extreme. It's a piece of rationalization. Maybe it's the one thing Dougie does comprehend - that he's up against a real intellect, a much superior thinker. And honest, to boot.

He's too scared lol

Go away Douglas, to that place where love dared not speak its name.

Jews don’t debate holocaust deniers Douglass shouldn’t give the stage to Norman .. it would only give him more credit which he doesn’t deserve. He is morally unhinged

Douglas can't debate a fly hahah this guy is all talk on social media and tv he's nothing

​@@katiegallus6876trying to pull the holocaust card on norman finkelstein of all people , both his parents were holocaust survives wtf are you talking about

what does it say?

@@laldikln he is affraid of some truth

ah yes! i thought you might be more along the lines of saying Finklestein isn't worth debating. You're right@@subilabi

Does it? If NF wants to respond directly I am sure he would. At this point though, it is pretty obvious how malevolent NF is. Murray has been clear why he would not want to debate this man.

@@laldikln He would get destroyed

There are a lot of people who won't "platform" certain opponents. For example, here in the US many people won't debate Alex Jones on whether Sandy Hook really happened.

You're either a bot or ignorant to this man's bravery

@@punkmonk7475bravery?? Avoiding a debate is brave??

Wrong…I just think Douglas loathes Norm so much he couldn’t contain himself from decking his old ass. Norm Finkelstein is fucking useless. Only a self sabotaging idiot would call Gaza a “concentration camp”

There are a lot of people who won't "platform" certain opponents. For example, here in the US many people won't debate Alex Jones on whether Sandy Hook really happened.

Very....that made him look weak and not surprised why he won't debate Norm.

Even T E Lawrence - (also a great, posh, gay, British military hero)... got angry and emotional at the most indignant injustice and insult... there is nothing weak about it or unrighteous - and he was fighting for the Arabs! For Arab liberation, Arab respect, Arab Freedom from any colonial power (be it Turkey or Great Britain). Douglas Murray is die hard loyalist to the Jews in Israel in the same way T E Lawrence was die hard loyalist to the Arabs in Arabia... including his friend King Faisal of Saudi Arabia... he even became one he felt so strongly... and the British ostracised him... and the Turkish tortured him... for doing so. I hereby Christen Douglas Murray "Lawrence of Arabistein". I am glad that the Israelis have this media soldier Murray on their side right now - like Galadriel giving Frodo 'The Light of Elendil' ("may it be a light for you in dark places when all other lights go out")

@@kapple654 Emotions including anger are natural responses to lethal conflict. But I'd compare them to heat rather than light...

@@colinrobinson1924 yeah fair play. but the lord of the rings reference was a camp theatrical joke. that specific quote was more than appropriate here (ingeniously referenced in fact) as it refers to a moment in the novel where Frodo Baggins is utterly and completely alone in the face of death, evil, darkness, obliteration and as you say - 'lethal conflict'. I wasn't expecting a hippy response to the specifics of the elementary table. lol. it isn't Douglas's anger that I am comparing to 'the light of elindil' but his loyalty and courage to be utterly disliked and unpopular in a massive storm of media ignorance.

@@colinrobinson1924 and DUUUUUUDE emotions (including anger) are natural responses to LIFE. people that dont have them are psychopaths. by definition. the Oxford dictionary describes such as 'characterized by manipulativeness and unemotionality" or "a neuropsychiatric disorder marked by deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls"... the fact that you equate emotions with only 'lethal conflict' is proof that someone like you should NEVER be anywhere near power

Normally he isn't - but he has certainly disgraced himself on this issue. The problem is that his hysteria on this will now damage his credibility on everything else.

He has and always will be a complete and utter clown who gets his ego massaged by the far right extremists he validates in his demented circle of bigotry. One of the most spiteful people on planet earth, blinding and deluding more people day by day.

Thats why he wont face him 😂

Murray has absolutely no expertise in any matter Palestinian; he’s basically an arrogant sack of shit given some air time. His scholarship will fade quickly, if it hasn’t already, whereas Finkelstein’s work will continue to be studied long after he has passed.

Truth. I used to love Douglas but I realized eventually he was just full of hot air when the chips are really down. He only succeeds when picking on the woke, who are so monumentally stupid in general it doesn't take any real wit to do.

yup. he'd mop the floor with him.

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Murray would win.

LOL@@johnhamel4662

​@@johnhamel4662he's a lying charlatan.. he pushed the narratives of 40 beheaded babies knowing it was a lie.. and that's just 1 of many many examples

Murray would embarrass him

@caleblima0142 Murry would be ripped apart. Murry is nothing more than an ignorant mouthpiece for the far right. Pretty much everything he says is either wrong or made up. When he knows that he's being outclassed, he does his usual trick and resort to personal insults. Why do you think he refuses to debate people like Norman Finklestein, Noam Chomsky etc?

Only that Finkelstein isn't a fool. He is evil and corrupt to the bone. The thing is - many of the most evil people in history had very strong belief they are moral and just. Even Adolf Hitler was very sure he's doing a moral work for the benefit of the world. Some of the popes who initiated murderous crusades and conquests of foreign lands in the name of "the true religion of light" - and many many others. The only thing is - we came to these weird times when post-modernist views will tell you "there is no one truth, everyone has their own truth and these truths are morally-equivalent". If you're there, on this boat, you can no longer attack a murderous maniac like Haminai, or Raise, or Kim Jung Un on the base of "he is evil" - because he just "believes in a different truth". Unless you throw away the post-modernist lie, and return to MORALS and I mean - real ones. Until you rid of the ridiculous "relativist" view who tries to be on both sides all the time, without ever morally CHOOSING good from bad - we can't fix anything.

weird that he didn't go to Gaza to report

@@writersnoise he's gay ,you see he can't,word would spread he should man up first!

Why isn’t Mr Finkelstein in Gaza. Douglas Murray is in Israel.

@@Petal4822 And Douglas has also been in Gaza and reported from there.

Because his mates are isreals zionists

Piers intentionally brings DM on to try and balance the narrative. Thinks he's clever, but dumber then Dumb&Dumber combined.

Very good point!!!

Why would he interrupt him? They work together and there is no reason for that. Yet, when he invites guests with limited time and they start rambling about something completely off topic like Frankstein whatever did, eating up the time of the interview, it's more than reasonable to interrupt his rapping and get the interview back on track.

@@thedarkestlotus Nah. I think it's because he might as well have written the speech he gave for him. It was more of the same dogshit that Pierce shovels out by the ton. Palestinians have a gripe, but have to put up with it for another 70 years and like it. If you had a goddam clue what has happened in International courts, other strikes by Israel, the prisoner counts held in Israel for rock throwing etc etc - you might feel different. Or you might not have any eggs.

I think it's you who can't handle the truth. Look in the mirror, you'll see who is lying to yourself.

@@corysher Murray does not have the qualifications or field of experise that Finkelstein has. Needless to say, he does not want to get into a debate because he is no doubt aware that Finkelstein will make a mockery of him. That is the truth he is does not want to face.

@@MrBahjatt I don't agree. Finkelstein is 100% biased against Israel. Makes no sense. There is no reasonable educated person who would ever take the side of this situation as 100% one sided whether you are pro-Palestinian or a Zionist. That is why Finkelstein, and his followers, are frauds. Their vengeance against Israel clouds their intellect.

Finkelstein is Jewish but not Israeli

As was the intent.

Did you search the finest in interview? 15 minutes of him talking about everything and anything except the question in hand. Suzan Boyle was mentioned twice.

@@iditgreenberg He's an intellectual and he provides context for his responses. You might need to watch it again to hear his answer to the question.

@@web-angel no way I’m watching his dementia stricken babble again

@@iditgreenberg that's on you. Your loss.

That’s right, Murray and his Zionist friends habitually deny reality

Yeah! Its not like douglas murray is scared and thinks he will lose in a debate against Noman Finkelstein who has well chronicled and documented knowledge. Absolutely stupid.

it is murray that is denying reality

You guys are NPCs,

Norman Finkelstein denies reality. Right, spoken by a true scolar on the subject - prat!

He also sees the jews as welcome companions against muslims, anyone who is against muslims is fine

@@sumatra_7174 are jews commiting violent jihad everywhere? islamophobs are not supporting terrorists or are not talking about comitting genocide on muslims

a personality so boring maybe being a homosexual is his most redeemable quality .. and im homophobic.

Murray? Well, when it comes to Israel, yes.

Don't you hear what he is saying about the horrific massacre! What if it was your friends or family?

​@gordonshumway6128 Murray is spot on. Finkelstein has issues he needs to address.

you know its pritty soft insults for someone like him, i listend to that interview and it make me sick as an israeli, as jewish man who know the holocaust from his grandparents and the moral compass is broken in that guy heart, he is so weak that all i can do is feel sry for him.

He looks like a crazy person to me ,always did,a real psycho. he needs therapy, must have been abused as a kid,.....femimine man who glorifies genocides!

Course he’s smug; he went to Eton my friend. He instantly thinks he’s better than anyone else around him. Self centred and demented narcissistic extremist and genocidal sympathiser.

Bang on

He is an utter ....

He backs them up because he's just reporting what experts on the subject are saying. Thats what I mean.@@gorgeoushammer

Why is Gaza a concentration camp or ghetto? What is the reason? It s getting millions of dollars and aid, etc, what have they done with it?

lol. Brilliant!

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lol. well put.

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Yeah but Murray wouldn't do it. Even his points here rely on a lot of hyperbole, Finkelstein would calmly dismantle them. I actually disagree with Finkelsteins moral position, but Murray is a just a babbling neocon at the end of the day, he's the master of the cheap shot who only looks clever against uninformed opponents.

@@MeisterBeefington 🤣Um you have that completely backwards. Finkelstein is a moron. His entire argument is fallacious and he' is the only one who dabbles in huperbole. Everything he says is hyperbole. That's his entire career based on hyperbole. WHat the #$*@ are you even talking about? hahaha That's the most ridiculous description of Murray. He's not just a neocon. Thats such gaslighting. Now you sound like Finkelstein. lol Because Finkelstein gaslights the entire Israel Palesstine issue and leaves out 80% of history and context. That's how he's made a career out of deceiving naive marxists for decades.

Nobody wants to debate a neo Nazi, what is the point?

@@MeisterBeefington Douglas Murray certainly DOES NOT babble. You may disagree, but his reasons are well thought out. Finkelstein is a fool.

@@MeisterBeefingtonwhen asked about his parents, he clearly said he disagreed with his mother morally, but would never even dare question it after what she went through.

Rupert Murdoch = ✡️

Oh vey

The same people who are paying Piers

They gave him as discount on his Botox treatments.

​@@abedadavids5468and Tommy..and Katie.

He supported the Iraq what do you expect

@@Notreallyhereanymore he's absolutely hates Muslims. Deranged pseudo intellectual and propagandist. One of his quotes: “conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board”, now replace Muslims with Jews and see how far he would get with that. You'd never hear from him again.

No he’s not. What genocide are you talking about? Finkelstein is most definitely an apologist for genocide

Sucking at war doesn't make you a victim of genocide.

Yes, he does. Many times. And is always right.

@@zephaniahblack1725 how can he be "right" when he is either ignorant of history or is in complete denial?

@@adhesivecookie watch the debates and find out...

@@catearth8864 he doesn't debate anyone with a contrarian view - only "journalists" which affirm his existing beliefs. This is for obvious reasons.

@@adhesivecookie there's plenty of debates. I've watched many of them. and by its nature, a debate is discussion with someone with a contrarian view. Please explain how you could debate someone with the same view as you on a topic lol.

absolutely useless conversations that would be

Nope. There's no point in debating 9/11 deniers, or Alex Jones-type Sandy Hook deniers, or 7th Oct Finkelstein-type deniers. Debates are for opinions. If you want to decide on facts,.not opinions, you need to go to a court house. In the court Alex Jones lost and sentenced to 1 billion Dollars.

A debate between an eagle and a shark discussing if the water rules over the wind or the wind rules over the water.

The dirtiest of floors woud be wiped spic and span clean by Finkelstein on such occasion

Good God! This isn't a game. Norman Finkelstein is a scholar. Why not get him to debate coco the clown?

The worst blindness is the self-induced one

exactly. and another next to 'bootlicker'.

Like finkelstein, brainwashed peopke love finkelstein😂😂😂

Murray is a coward and not so intelligent as he would have us believe .Charm school means nothing.

You are showing how uneducated and ignorant you are by asking Douglas Murray to debate this low-life immoral creature who builds his life and career on pure lies!!! Douglas Murray is one of the brightest people of our generation, and for him to debate this Evil stupid discusting piece of sh..t would mean for Douglas Murray to get to the level of this human degenerate 😢😢😢

Finkelstein often speaks about his parents’ experiences during the holocaust. Murray is rattled to say that he is a holocaust sympathiser.

"Debates" are good for nothing. We already know which side is correct.

Add Piers Morgan to that list.

Murray only goes for the low-hanging fruit. He won't debate anyone who actually knows what they are talking about.

the truth is painfull, right?

Morgan is pay to lie too the masses, and therefore laughing whole the way to the bank

Where was the lie? You have been brainwashed by Jihadists propaganda.

I thought Finkelstein is senile and Murray articulates everything perfectly!

then dont think too much @@isabelzvibel

@@isabelzvibelfinkelstein is slow but he’s far smarter than Douglas and doesn’t operate on political quotas, Norman is Jewish and could make a hell of a lot of money supporting Israel

@@ultimatestuff7111 Finkelstein is very dogmatic and self righteous, also he likes to insult and demean a lot of people, it’s not all about money

The average UNRWA executive compensation is $237,168 a year. The median estimated compensation for executives at UNRWA including base salary and bonus is $239,672, or $115 per hour. At UNRWA, the most compensated executive makes $700,000, annually, and the lowest compensated makes $50,000. - the average Gazan lives on 13 euro per day (More than we had when i was a child xD) while they leaders living on 10 billion plus in Qatar. Everbody earns money on this for except the people who should. Saudi+Iran+Russa+North Korea profits from the UNRWA money the HAMAS gives them for weapons on a daily basis. But ofc, Its all Israel's fault. The Arab league attacked them in 1947 and lost. End of. They aint got a country there any time soon. No they left Husseini's Arabs (now known as Palestinians) to annoy the US. And now we see the bleeding fruit of their agenda. The Palestinian Identity is just as artificial as the geographical Israel.

He’s BOUGHT and his allegiance shows

Urbane? I have never heard a Zio-racist psychopath like that 24 carat wanker ever be so mischaracterised...

like a lot of stupid people, he's nasty

He is cold like a lizard, I assure you.

Douglas is an Israeli plant and Sky News is propaganda for IDF/Israel

Who's David? 😂

😂 Dave's not interested in debating lying scum that wouldn't understand because he doesn't listen

Dave Murray mate. you not know him he's a cousin of Ronnie Pickering@@london1243

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

​@@Blackbirdinthedeadofnight I wonder if you understand that quote. It's about never debating on a stupid persons level. For example, using ad hominem, shouting, lying etc. A factual debate, which is what Finkelstein would create, would shatter Douglas Murray.

Finklestein is TOTALLY out of touch with reality. If anyone buys his garbage, they need to look into, and study actual history of Israel and the land dispute.

Finklestein made a fool of Alan Dershowitz in a debate and that set the spark for him being attacked like this for years now. History will one day show that Finklestein is a hero.

No he did not. He lied about Dershowitz, because his plagiarizing claims were unfounded and he was rightly sued and dismissed for his slanders of others.

Murray is too much of a coward to debate anyone other than a high school student

It's seems the man is a liar. One shouldn't debate a liar. Read carefully - Wikipedia: "In September 2006, Alan Dershowitz sent members of DePaul University's law and political science faculties what he described as "a dossier of Norman Finkelstein's most egregious academic sins, and especially his outright lies, misquotations, and distortions that... are not incidental to Finkelstein's purported scholarship; they are Finkelstein's purported scholarship," and he lobbied professors, alumni and administrators to deny Finkelstein tenure."

he is a pathalogical Lier

Because it'll be like arguing with a wall

​@@maxbear7961 Because it'd mean he'd have to use facts and that's not fun when it's being recorded and you can't use them in a truthful manner.

@obakshah7540 There are plenty of facts for a pro israel argument, much less than for palestinians

EXACTLY!!!

He said, quote: “and if anyone is responsible..” IF IF (with past tense) introducing a hypothetical situation. "if you had stayed, this would never have happened"

@@codo2960 I noted that. But the IF is on who holds responsibility - IF anyone is responsible for MAKING. Key word here is making.

I agree, making, as opposed to made. It’s a hypothetical, as in “it’s not a concentration camp or prison”. But IF it were, Hamas would be responsible. If they want to “pretend” to govern at least take some responsibility. If you’re main claim is peace & your own state then respecting other nations borders is a given. But jihadist aren’t statesmen, they’re homicidal religious zealots.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@gn2727 interpret what he said however you wish. 2 million people, many of whom are children, are forced into the southernmost area of the Gaza Strip by military order, awaiting death or displacement with inadequate food and water. Fits the definition of a concentration camp. What is truly an insult to holocaust survivors is the level of poverty many of them are facing in israel. But yet, we have free holiday trips being offered to young Jewish adults, so the former is a total smack in the face.

Yes and hes absolutely right

lpeopleschum. Well said..

Congrats you just hit all on finklesteins talking points. Isnt in funny how Hamas stopped paying their electric bill but you still expect power to be given for free. How about you pull out your debit card and pay for them but you wont. Hamas takes most of the resources from the Palestinians who then have to suffer is insane to me. Israel is bombing gaza for hamas hideouts not looking for hostages but of course youll write up anything you can think of.

I doubt he would have elected a terrorist group into power with the open aim of genocide in the first place, to be fair.

If you're downplaying Oct 7 then it is you who has been exposed

Goes to tell how selective truth can be for these kinds of people. Selective when convenient.

@@jonathanjones2270 If you're downplaying all history of the israeli occupation up until oct 7th (and since then) then it's you who has been exposed

@zhamed9587 Not really, since your last comment reveals you believe sometimes burning babies to death and raping kidnapped women is justified. So no, it's you who has been exposed. Let me guess, you're the kind of person who tore down the hostage posters right?

@@jonathanjones2270 We know who did the crimes you are claiming, it was the israelis. It's well documented what they did in massaacres like der yassin and sabra and shatila. I can't believe there are people who still believe those lies. You are either an ignoramus, or a paid shill. Which one are you?

WHO would run away, and you had better not mean Douglas, who is a decent human being as opposed to this Finkelstein creature.

You can’t debate with a psychopath

@@lefantomer This Finkelstein creature? You presume to attack Finkelstein yet you apparently have never heard of him and his courageous work of many decades! Murray is a lightweight compared to Finkelstein!

@@lefantomer You've got nothing. You're trying to create a straw man. Finklestein deals squarely with historical and current 'reality'... while you deal in fantasy.

At this point, I think the word you are searching for when it comes to verbs is "strangle".

no hes not

and how you know it ?

@@anggitsantoso528 he's told you why he's got morals he isn't debating him coz he's vike

No, but 'charred' Israelis have so much greater value than incinerated Palestinians. After all, the inhabitants of Gaza are no better than "animals". How do we know? Netanyahu said so!

There's a difference between people who are willfully attacked and people who are inadvertently killed in response to that attack.

But we don't need to wonder what you would do, as you proudly present yourself here. However, the repression of Gaza comes from Islamic militancy such as Hamas and its supporters, so your ire is entirely misdirected by 180 degrees.

I think he would hate Hamas even more.

r6299 yep, and if shoe was on the other foot, obviously a not so published idf controlled concentration camp? So technically israel has a right to defend itself? And what rights do these illegal concentration camp victims have? Logical reasoning would be they have the same right, no?

He probably was,at least at home,the guy looks to me like an abused kid,he is the real psycopath,a lot of his interviews he barks about arabs and islam.......well he's gay.i mean i understand🤣

When you can't debate on facts name calling is the only tactic

What psychopath? Murray?

They never saw any real ability to trade internationally without Israeli control either.

​@@user-wz8gj4mc4qanother one of those,kk de cerdo.

​@@user-wz8gj4mc4q Kinda false because the Hamas leaders are multi billionaires.

Since when did prisoners in a concentration camp have *freedom* to go anywhere they chose outside the parameters of Gaza? The billions of aid are nothing but to keep em pacified and distracted from their demise!

Also food levels were kept just above starvation level, Israel just wanted to starve them!

It’s not just because of that. Have you heard all his opinions? The defending of charli hebdo attacks? He is a literal grifter that grifts to the muslim world. That’s why he defends actions like that to keep muslim support. That’s why i knew he is morally corrupt and evil.

because douglas murray isn't lying lmfao

Probably not but his frame of reference is that of a school boy, who has not made it yet to higher grades in basic arthimatic of addition and substraction. A frame of reference that can moreover become a self-righteous addiction, that leads to zealotry and fanaticism, if left unchecked.

I take it you've never heard of Edward Said?

You are of course, correct. For some reason, only Israel is exempt from any criticism as it creates its own "ethnically pure" state. Any other country that even tried that would be pilloried.

Israel have made mistakes, as have all countries on earth, and are open to be criticised for those things. But supporting terrorism committed by a group who's stated aim is the genocide of Israelis is another matter entirely. Finkelstein has not been "banished" he has still continued to spout rubbish for years, but the consequence is that sensible people think he's a tit, hence why his career is ruined

He did not say that. And surely you can have a great career by doing nothing BUT criticizing Israel. Just look at the squad in our government. Douglas was talking about Finkelstein’s despicable comments about the Holocaust, not Israel.

@@Holdfast1812Israel is not ethnically pure. 20% are Arab Muslims. Some are black Africans as well. The more you know…

For anyone who doesn't know Norman Finklestein ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-esli-uLlN2A.html

Your comment outs yourself as a moron

Well, he’s gay so he would probably be killed by Hamas members the second he entered Gaza as it happens to gay Palestinians.

he's a bootlicking scumbag.

Because BBC getting toured around a hospital by Hamas is much more credible right?

When I looked up the internet there are 14 countries in the World that included Egypt who accept Palestinians visa free but Palestinians are so in a concentration or prison camp.

What facts? Come on, if you know them, list them...I am waiting.

One of the greatest debater’s of the 21st century won’t take on a man named Norman Finkelstein?🤣

@@Muschelschubs3r Israel was the one that created and funneled money through Hamas.

The facts are recorded in photos and videos, some of which the terrorists took themselves.

I think you misspelled "decent" as "desperate." Finkelstream denied and defended the sadistic barbarism of Oct 7th. He's not worth the time of day.

​@@jaialaiwarriorNetanyahu has been funding Hamas. He wants Hamas to represent Palestine because the global community will never back Hamas and by default never support Palestine. Moderate Palestinians have been pushed to the back of the room.

Well Finklestein is disgusting. It’s merely a statement of fact.

he's too scared. finkelstein would destroy him.

All lies have an element of truth or they would not succeed in their intended aim of deception. The worse the lie, the harder it is to disentangle deception from fact.

The problem is it isn’t true and is easily provable. Go to Israel and see for yourself. You will see Jews, Arab Muslims, black Africans living peacefully with equal rights. Or even better - go to Gaza. See how peaceful the people in Gaza are.

​@@oddfielderpr go to the west bank and see how peacefully the Palestinians are evicted by the Israelis.😢

What's wrong with an Englishmans fact finding mission?There are enough Englishmen fact finding the other sides propaganda.

@@oddfielder Palastine don't want peace they want every jew christian and peaceful muslim living in Israel gone.

Oh you learned that line well didn't you !

@Rambonegern Agree

No generally when someone says "it warmed every fiber of my being" in response to raping and burning and beheading of innocent people- you're probably a psychopath.

Seems slightly alarming that that's the one thing you've learned in life.

I saw it yesterday and wow..that guy almost litteraly said.. exterminating is natural response of those who ate opressed, and that the jews are nazis. And huge.amount of comments praising the guy "norman is so emotional he made me cry".... the guy also is sad about his parents, who were holocaudt survivors

And Douglas Murray's sick agenda ought not to claim victims.

Not true at all.

It takes one to know one

@@williamlane9844 You don't have to be a psychopath to know one.

He looks like a crazy person to me ,always did,a real psycho. he needs therapy, must have been abused as a kid,.....femimine man who glorifies genocides!

jai shri ram 🇮🇱

Normally I tend to agree with Murray (except for J6...)..... but not this time. Keep this in mind: Israel (therefore Mossad) helped create Hamas, therefore Hamas DOES NOT MAKE A MOVE Israel either doesn't know about or controls... *"By deception shall we make war"* - Mossad motto. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o7grSsuFSS0.html

Nope , finkelstein is a clown at best

Norman Frankenstein is a terrorist loving psychopath, it's the truth

Murray scraping the bottom of the barrel last few weeks. Today he's in his leotards just for Piers

What else do you call someone who actually celebrated the horrific atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on 10.7? There is no possible justification for celebrating the rape and torture of women and children and taking baby hostage. Norman said “what else were they supposed to do?” That’s a psychopathic reaction. I agree with Douglas that even if Gaza were in any way comparable to a concentration camp, that STILL doesn’t justify what Hamas did. Because babies are not prison guards. Secondly when did Jews who were in actual concentration camps ever torture, mutilate, rape or burn alive German women and children?

why are you a Douglas fan?

@@mr.nobody9955 There's a majority of things that he says that I agree with

Truth is b'tch like karma, if taken out from context, became dangerous evil. Jago in Shakespeare's "Othello" never said not a one lie...

@@jordanpwatson1 But even a broken clock is right, twice a day

There's honestly no point in debating finkelstein, hes such a hack and a fraud. Was there even an actual offer of debate?

Finkelstein.

@@robynreid21 I disagree…

@@USER351 so you think there is no difference in how one kills people. (A) in reaction to Israeli citizens and others being brutally killed by Palestinians who have joined Hamas, Israel drops thousands of leaflets text messages and phone calls to citizens in Gaza telling them to move away from the area they are going into and gives directions on where to go, quite unusual in war to make these efforts. I choose to listen to Hamas and stay and am caught in crossfire and killed. (B) I am caught in a surprise attack by Palestinian men, I am a pregnant woman, the men surround me and videoing their attack, cut my chest area first, removing what would give me the ability to feed my baby, then continue by cutting my baby from my stomach and as I am loosing consciousness, they hold the baby up to my face for me to see. You ask who the real psychopath is. I don't care if you disagree with me or not. I don't care about your woke virtue signaling, whether you wear a Palestinian scarf, or call Hamas freedom fighters. I stand by this woman who lost her life in the most horrific nightmarish way possible. I stand with the mother who as she was rpd by your freedom fighters witnessed her husband being shot and her healthy alive innocent baby being put in an oven, and had to endure listening to her babies screams as it was burnt alive. I stand by a young girl who was passed around and rpd till her bones were broken. If you don't think it matters how one dies, then 'Well, who is the real psychopath here?'

Very manipulative indeed. We are not fools.

Brave keyboard warrior here

@@BP-ke5qs not as brave as Douglas Murray dodging that missile that was going for Palestine 😅

@@vaskodrogriski2697 Oh, I'm sorry. Do you know how to tell the difference between an outgoing or incoming missile? No, because you've never even left your mom's basement.

@@ce6654 NICE ONE

Is it the truth they cannot handle? How do _you_ know it _is_ the truth?

I don’t believe Finkelstein was ever an academic!

@@isabelzvibel Joined Oct 22, 2023. Go away, Mossad.

Hahaha OMG this is how lowlives lie to themselves 😂

What? Hahahahaha

Absolutely

If Douglas is an intellectual, I have yet to hear it. Having a posh accent and sounding morally outraged doesn't count.

He looks like a crazy person to me ,always did,a real psycho. he needs therapy, must have been abused as a kid,.....femimine man who glorifies genocides!

Who would have thought there were so many delusional people in this section? Finkelstein supporters have no idea how much they’re supporting pure hatred - they live in the darkness where there can be no light or hope 😮😮😮

Rubbish.

When the person is an idiot you attack the person. The arguments are that the Palestinians are poor children so they are right

Finklestine personally insults anyone who disagrees with him and openly denies facts.

@@user-jn1dy4sz4d If someone is clearly a lunatic then why state the obvious?

"what really happened in Israel on Oct7/ Max Blumenthal on Chris Hedges" We now know that there were no atrocities committed by Hamas on Oct 7 No killing babies, no beheading, no raping. And we know for sure that the Israel Military killed most of their own Soldiers and Civilians and Hostages on that day. How is that possible? It is possible because the Hannibal Directive is in place for the Israelis Military and it requires the Military to eliminate any possibility of hostage taking by Hamas. They did not like a previous outcome where they were compelled to release many Palestinian Prisoners because Hamas had an Israelis Soldier Hostage. Since then they adopted a policy of killing all people in the vicinity of a conflict; that includes Israelis Citizens, Israelis Soldiers, and Hamas fighters. Here are some details: The Erez Crossing is the main crossing into Gaza and the Administration Headquarters of the Gaza Occupation. It had many Israelis Soldiers inside and was attacked as a military target by Hamas. In obiediance to the Hannibal Directive the Israelis commander made the decision to bomb Erez Crossing. This resulted in Hellfire Missiles from Israelis Apache helicopters blasting it to bits, killing everybody. In the settlements people were caught in the crossfire or had their homes shelled by tanks, killing everybody. Israelis hostages who survived recount that Israelis soldiers just started shooting everyone.....Pictures of the blown up houses reveal a level of destruction much greater than the capacity of Hamas who only had machine guns and RPG's. The areas are covered in tank tracks everywhere. The Israelis decided to shell houses on top of the occupants including Israelis civilians. Helicopter pilots have reported to media that they had no intel on who they were shooting at. They were ordered to empty their magazines get more ammunition and blast cars and people wherever you find them. That's actual testimony from Israelis Pilots. Melted cars with chared corpses are not possible with Hamas weapons. Apache Helicopter with Hellfire Missles can do that. Pilots themselves have said they were blasting away at cars without knowledge of who was in them. I say again: No killing babies, no beheading, no raping. And we know for sure that the Israel Military killed most of the Soldiers and civilians on that day. This information and evidence has been carefully laid by Max Blumenthal on the Chris Hedges report. "what really happened in Israel on Oct7/ Max Blumenthal on Chris Hedges". I challenge you to look at it. And I challenge media to report it.

Jai shri ram 🇮🇱

Weird, right? Turns out when someone doesn’t lie. Lie constantly and defend the grossest people on the planet, you can just let them continue speaking.

Woo clapping college students means I'm right

Right

He absolutely would debate Finkelstein. Finkelstein is an idiot, has no points based in reality, and tries using his parents' status as holocaust survivors to advocate for the next holocaust of Jews in the Middle East. Douglas would run circles around that self-loathing idiot.

😂 exactly

Finklestein often says "apply the same logic to israel then". If this was a holocaust, Cast Lead was too a holocaust, Protective Edge was also a holocaust. Only against the brown people. Hes as much of a coward as he is a hypocrite.

I second that. The man is a moral beacon of hope in a growing sea of darkness. An example of true and uncompromising moral clarity.

Imagine being so stupid you confuse a concentration camp with a death camp. He’s pure moron.

Honestly, is this a joke?

This midget is towering to you? You must be a gnome.

😂😂😂 he is not a reporter he is an Israeli politician that’s how he talks

What is the problem with what he said. He was trying to make the point that Hamas Turn Gaza into its very own type of concentration camp he didn’t mean it literally Which, unfortunately you couldn’t figure out

Do you even know what a concentration camp is?

@@synapse1able classic victim blaming tactic, i see this comment section is filled with DM fanboy idiots :D

@@YechielLevinisrael.

​@@synapse1ableYou are one big retard.