Douglas Murray on freedom of speech 

Well we don't live in a free society and haven't my entire life. We're only just realising it.

Even if what you say is incendiary rubbish calculated to spread discord and disorder ?

@@lawrencejames8011 Yes, because in order show that what you are saying is rubbish you challenge the idea and prove the counter argument. As George RR Martin said, “When you cut out a man’s tongue you are not proving to the world he’s a liar, you are only showing that you are afraid of what he has to say.”

@Brandon Neifert Yes because if you say that someones speech is spreading dangerous disinformation and discord, as every instant in history that people in favor of censorship has justified, then it leaves the question, to whom do you give the job as the censor? To whom would you give the job that decides for you what you can read, watch, write or hear? To whom would you give that responsibility for someone that is incorruptible, not weak-willed or has no bias in them whatsoever? The answer is no one.

If you live in a family where you are punished, ostracised, have to apologise for saying what you think, you are not living in a free family. Self censorship starts among friends, family, and carries on....

I’m offended. Lawyer up.

and and, taking away our Rights to have a Job and Get Paid

@mike christian An infant has limited capabilities to damage our lives compared to the thought police. It is infantile to believe that the world should respond to your cries with urgency and concern to one's every whim perhaps?

@@jakebullet1731 fuckin hell hahaha

Some people thoroughly deserve to be insulted.

Such a shame that Jordan P. is not at the top of his game today. He knew all the arguments and counter-arguments about this war for Free-Speech and Freedom before it had even begun in the West. I guess he had studied the same war taking place elsewhere. I hope he comes back soon! The Glorious Jordan Peterson leading the intellectual charge against the dark forces of Thought Control and Technocratic Slavery!

And rightly so, if your utterances cause mayhem: go ahead and shout kill all the ***** [ insert whoever you hate ] and that's all right.

@@vickingvicbubble8042 dude he's backkk check the channel :)

"Critical thinking" as a criminal act. ' the war (against the virus) is not meant to be won , but continuous ' Orwell

Sense ? Translation ?

@Forsaken Passages quick, find a divisive line so the activist idiots can win. Oh, you did, well done. There as so many women that have been prosecuted and silenced you just sound ignorant. The cases were shocking, and sexist. If anyone has to shut up and do what they're told, it's women. What do you think trans issues are all about? Men "look at me, I'm a woman tooo." Misogyny won't help. Try therapy.

@Forsaken Passages hear hear!

Yep, control freaks always gonna control freak.

You absolutely nailed that one.

Fire it up! I'm in Hamilton and would gladly help out

Laws which punish those which encourage violence against fellow subjects ( NZ is still a monarchy ) - the recent atrocity by a hate-sodden lunatic are proof enough of the need for such laws.

@@lawrencejames8011 But I think there's a real problem with the idea of speech-as-violence. Legislating against 'hurtful' speech will only achieve the same outcomes that suppression of speech has achieved in all the awful 20th century examples we know about and can study. Conflating the difference between hateful action and hateful words, and then codifying that into law, will only ever have terrible outcomes. For everybody, not just the perpetrators of violent words or actions.

Words have consequences: violent words have violent consequences.

Does that mean there is no straight community?

@@johnthorpe163 yes there's no straight community

@@Morningstar-xz5bl That's a pity, I was just about to look for one to join so I could be officially offended by....... well........, just about everything really.

What's the 'P' for?

@@calstonjew That was my question too. P?

Agreed 👍 Love you Douglas Murray ❤️

Twaddle: he is an accomplice of extremist racketeers of hatred.

He's ok, but he's the living definition of 'tinkering around the edges'. Until he think Corona is the biggest issue, he has no relevance, and I have thought this for a long time about anyone going after universities instead of the whole culture.

Children enjoy playing 'at being rude: adults ( with exceptions ) do not. I assume you must one.

You're a powerful part of the push back against ridiculousness 💪 I'm so proud of people like you.

What community ?

It's almost like we are all individuals with free will...

There is no longer a 'community'. Every letter in LGBT are people who have had very little in common besides having the same enemies. Since leftism and trans activists started making unreasonable, illiberal demands of society within the past 5-10 years or so, they have made enemies of people that LGB people aren't enemies with. If we no longer share the same enemies, then we have no reason for alliance.

Its like when people complain foreigners are taking all the jobs because they charge less and hence more hire them. Cries of outrage. And yet most of us do the exact same thing every day...we will choose a certain supermarket over another because of the cheaper prices....likewise petrol stations,hell even other workers,even if the were all english, chances are we are going with the cheapest....does that make us anti english?? Sane people seem to lose the means to think properly when the subject is Gender, Race,sexuality....you would almost think some shadowy groups had made these their trojan horse battlegrounds until the guise of "justice and equality"

Me too

ditto...

I generally do

Fortunatelythere's no shortage of podcasts and interviews with him so I'm pleased to say I do.

@@sebastianforbes1 phew

automatic arrest for doing that as we have seen

@@stingstingy6236 really? I can believe that but do you have a link?

Yes I Agree

@@ajay012 I've seen it. Surely hospitals are public spaces so no idea what law she is supposed to have broken filming there.

Now now. Easy tiger. You'll be demanding some truth and honesty next ;)

You're right, Meg. It seems to qualify as a CIV ie, a Clearly Identifiable Victim, you must be one of the alphabet soup types, LGBT ... whatever ... have a deep suntan, and if really lucky, be disabled. Without these qualifications, you're sunk, invisible, have no relevance .. in fact, if you cannot be patronised by the newly sanctimonius, what's the point of being .... you? Happy New Year! 🌞

@@Boudicca165 I've got news for you; if you have a disability in this country you have no relevance either. I speak as someone who knows.

punch them in the face

@@paul74432 I'm sorry you've had bad experiences, Paul. I am disabled and for the most part, people have been kind and considerate, but my 'no messing' attitude deters anyone who tries to patronize me.

@@Boudicca165 Yeh I get pretty tough myself when it's face to face, but when it's my country's government that are persecuting me from Whitehall it's difficult to get near them.

I agree I don't do PC it's a load of crap. If people want to walk about like freaks it needs calling out and if people don't like it sort your life out

They said that in Germany in the Thirties and look what happened, think man ! Words have consequences even when uttered by morons.

@@lawrencejames8011 silencing people creates more of a problem.

In what ways ?

I'm waiting to see if the woke'ists get a leader because at the moment they're running around like headless chickens. Without a firm hand setting their rules half the time they're turning on each other for not being virtuous enough. We should fear them IF a leader arises.

Most people can't afford to go to court to contest a non-crime being on their record.

Search "Harry the Owl" case. Accused of "hate speech" (& taken to court) roughly the same time as Kate Scottow. He was, quite rightly) vindicted. Kate wasn't! Kate's accuser is a nasty piece of work (Stephanie Hayden, calls themselves The Flying Lawyer, unqualified). Now up to 30ish similiar accusation! . In the meantime the tax payer is paying their costs!

Prime Minister of Rockall,.

It will never happen. They are leading the woke culture.

Don't hold your breath Alan. I've got a mad idea though, how about if all those who disagreed with the BBC's 'view on things' just stopped paying the license fee? Just a thought.

@@dougalmaguire312 tried that, got threatened by the legals 😂

We all owe each other a basic level of respect; respect boundaries, respect privacy, and respect somebody's right to an opinion. In all three aspects it has been steadily eroded over the years.

Yes indeed

Protection should not even be needed. It should be inherent and not up for discussion

Of course!

Of Course 🙄

@alfie 0 The word 'no' offends me, so that's you blacklisted for life mate.

it's already gone

and that is why they want to forbid you to talk and think, they are narcissistic tyrants

I know right, I just looked at the person in question.

Mess in a dress

Agreed!

@@net4216 it's clear they stopped teaching that nursery rhyme to primary school kids 20-30 years ago

@@dinardsi9006 Yep 🤣

Woman says “grow a pair” (of balls - not correct anatomical term). Sexist isn’t it? What if man said “grow a pair” (of tits - not a correct anatomical term). And now watch gymnastic rationalisations to justify their sexism. WTF?

Stop asking awkward questions. ;-)

@@jackmellor5536 it's definitely not in any ancient text. It's only a few decades old. The concept of it would have been completely foreign to basically everyone who ever lived. Sort of like democracy

An extinct concept - liberties and rights RIP.

And fast becoming the ONLY presenter on TalkRADIO. Seems that every time I tune in, he's on.

@@graememorrison333 I imagine the main team are currently all on holiday over the new year.

@@deancosgrave9582 somewhere where they can't be offended by opinions that differ from their own I hope.

The Wright Stuff to Vine Show was a massive downgrade, not just presenter but loss of Kevin.

@@nonfictionone Kevin seems to be the only consistent presenter who hasn't flip flopped his opinion to suit whoever he is trying to appeal too. Julia isn't too bad at it but Dan Wooten is I have noticed.

In my mind he's the Graham Norton of Nationalism

I was thinking he's the English Milo Yiannopolis. Take that how you want (ducky).

....you bigot. Culturally appropriating comments like that

you need cancelling straightaway.....

That's homophobic

well if the youtube community is hurt heads must roll! despite nobody agrees on youtube and its not a community !

I identify as Kelly Brookes bicycle seat. If she doesn't sit on my face, she's a vile bigot that must be destroyed.

Wonderful mixed metaphor; thanks.

No need to buy politicians and laws for much longer, the corporations will do their own dirty work.

That would be count Dankulas pug dog that passed that law...or the Ginger dwarf. 🐶🐶🐶

😂😂😂😂😂😂 At least they have a disclosure to that effect!

As Marmite is black you could be accused of 'white privilege.'

funny isn't it , they used to teach us that !

Yeah, we had that in primary school as well.. 30 odd years ago.. also just to respond with "I know you are" but I'm not sure where that came from exactly now

it might be a children's song with hand clapping face to face in rhythm very old saying that has gone on forever , like telling tales !

social media

@@retiredby3570 yes, probably.