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@@QMS9224 i think its fair. What makes AlHaitam and Tighnari good is also the fact that Nahida exists. This is not a "who is the best character" but a dps showdown, if not Nahida would 100% win
Besides Venti that got Kazuha as competition, all Archons have really strong kits that really sets them a league apart; heck even in Venti’s case he still a really good unit even not being the best at his role.
@@biazacha Not even. Venti is still basically uncontested in the crowd control department. Any floor that doesnt have unccable units is ez win ggz with a Venti. 100% uptime on cc and insane area of of effect. His opness in this role is like the only reason we have unccable mobs to fight
@@seraphywang4638 the issue with venti is that there are more and more enemies that aren't affected by the succ anymore. He's still an amazing unit though.
Honestly, this video is really good at showing how different their playstyles are: 1) tighnari is excellent at single target and his dmg output is frontloaded on a few seconds so his speedrunning times are better, sometimes he might fall short of finishing off the enemy himself or he might struggle at multiple waves, hence why he is a good quickswap unit, you just go to his teammate to finish it. 2) Alhaitham is an excellent on-field dps, he was always a few seconds behind tighnari but its good to keep in mind that alhaitham can continue dishing out the same dmg for around 12s or even more if played correctly and he is good at both single target, AoE and dealing with multiple waves of enemies, plus his easy dendro application makes him viable in quickbloom teams. 3) Nahida, though the slowest, is the winner here. Despite her being considered a support, the ammount of dmg she can provide off-field is excellent. She provides off-field dendro application, good at AoE and single target, her C6 just turns her into a DPS. She buffs EM, so alhaitham and tighnari being on the same team as her become even better, like she is their best teammate. Plus she has the advantage of having more team comps than both of them. Tbh if nahida had his own nahida to buff and do dmg alongside her, she would obliterate everything. In conclusion, all of them are good depending on the situation and nahida is GOD.
Hence I'm so glad I have Nahida and Alhaitham on my team, arrival of dendro is blessing for F2P to finally be able to create powerful teams that does not require such high investmensts like Melt a d Vaporize teams does.
@@axisboise Which is very funny, because Melt and Vape were originally the budget teams. Delivering high output already at mid crit investiment. Although going by my artifact luck, Em builds are the high investiment ones.
@@axisboise i really do regret having skipped nahida 💀 I just can‘t handle her design 😭😭 but now i’m saving up for her to aid my haitham team even more, even when I already obliterate abyss without her
This is c6 + single target focused though, at c0, tighnari will be a bit slower than alhaitham even in single target, not to mention alhaitham absolutely crushes him in AoE. Nevertheless tighnari is still quite a good character
@@fardareismai4495 To put it simply thats because you can get Tighnari while losing your 50 for Nahida while you can't get Nahida for losing your 50 if a tighnari banner comes out this instant. Wether or not you think it is worth is up to you but for most people he isn't a first choice and is not restricted by a time period.
Considering how nahida's literally used in tighnari and alhaitham's teams I'd say she's pretty much the winner here And considering she's one of the best characters rn I'd always go for her other than the two
This is not a whos better character, ofcourse nahida will win that, but these dps showdown videos are not the serious type. This is a more fun c6 testing type of video
@ApplyingGaming Not really, if you want C6 testing there's a separate showcase on that. This is more like a competition, it's in the title and the format. Now idk about you, but if a player helped other players to win, I think that's unfair and takes away the fun.
@@ejoltz4915 yeah it didn't say the best character right? I mean interms of dps, tighnari and alhaitham can output more dps numbers, they just also need an op support like nahida. One can be "stronger" but not "better", it did say something like that at the disclaimer that these types of video doesn't represent the actual comparison of characters overall, and cannot determine if character a is better than b. He also doesnt conclude anything like "tighnari is the best and the strongest base from this results", because that is not the point of the video
I wish I could lose 50/50 to him 6 more times and get his weapon. Tighnari did the best here because he is a very fast frontloaded dmg dealer,but if you cant finish then you would have to wait a few more seconds for e. He is still my fave tho
@@saskafraz9148 wow ur telling me a single target unite like tighnari isn’t the best at aoe 😮 . No shit yeah same with xingqui hu tao and many others , that doesn’t mean they are worst it means they are better in different scenarios
No, she is not. Her dps potential is lower than alhaithams. But this cannot be showcased here as alhaitham is put into a spread team, whilst his best team composition is hyperbloom. Tighnari did get in fact his best team, as he has a harder time triggering hyperblooms with lower dendro application. Nahida got a extra on hit yelan, this would buff Alhaitham in the showcase a lot more too. Nahida is only the best dendro support.
@@artaleasham4105 Nahida, the driver, sub-dps and support in one unit, is by far the best dendro character, if not the best 5* in the game. What are you smoking, man?
She would win if what's being tested here was her value as a character, she is definitely far more valuable overrall. But on-field DPS is what is being tested here. So yeah, she lost
I've been using Nahida and Tighnari together since I got Nahida, (even with all the doubters saying Tighnari was bad) and it is a really good pairing for hyperbloom, he is easily one of my higher overall DPS characters. And his playstyle is really fun with the quick cooldowns.
@@EllaNonimato I tend to use Kokomi for healing and good hydro application. And I use EM Raiden for the off field electro hits. The only time it doesn't work great is when the enemies move away from Kokomis jellyfish. I'm sure other hydros could be used, but I haven't really experimented with them.
Watching Tighnari and Alhaitham fight for fastest clear time and being so close every time, is the kind of friendship rivalry I love to see with these two 😍
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 fischl on Elegy tho... He can use C6 Diona with elegy, but Yae instead of another dendro support. Might be more fair for spread comparison
@@francescoettwedda-1875 No... because he is bad at single target. Like what are you talking about, like every character in this game do AOE damage. By that standard yoimiya is bad yelan is bad but diluc is good.
@@aashishsingh6295 so xiangling is worse than hu tao because she is worse in single target? Lmao no. It is much better a unit that is good in both single target or aoe than a unit that is only good in single targe
i feel like these tests are mostly oriented to single target damage, which is what tighnari excels at, so it's no wonder that he would win. This is especially considering the hyperbloom team you used for nahida is more effective in aoe situations. However, due to his arrow's homing abilities, he does suffer with large enemy crowds. it would be nice to see how these three characters and their best teams work in the second half of 3.4 abyss, which is more geared towards aoe damage.
In this abyss showcase, all the teams were using Nahida too, and the Nahida team didn't even utilize Yelan C6. That's not even mentioning that the main showcases were focused on single target damage while Nahida can damage huge groups of enemies at a time. So yeah, a pretty unfair showcase for Nahida ngl
Tighnari's strength compared to other standard banner characters are high tho. The only one that can catch up is Keqing, but once you do speedruns, Tighnari absolutely obliterates Keqing to oblivion.
It's speedrunner and it's already showing Tighnari is the fastest DPS in every Genshin tournament Chinese and Japanese so isn't really surprise, and for normal players or low budget players their Tighnari isn't gonna touch that level in a long time lol
Tighnari only has like a 2 second dps window, so he has a lot of frontloaded damage, which benefits you a lot for this, especially at C6. Al Haitham is better for fights that will take longer, since he has a lot more field time (at C0 up to 12 seconds with 3 mirror stacks)
Alhaitham can acually compete with Fluffy head in terms of one banging enemies. That's impressive for a character with potentially 18 seconds of sustained dps output
Yeah, I think people don't realize that. Alhaitham was always like 1s behind tighnari but alhaitham can continue dishing out that same dmg for over 12s while tighnari's dps window is only that one instance at the beggining until his CD is over. Tighnari would struggle at multiple waves (or AoE situations) while alhaitham can deal with all of them easily.
@@mandyred1 Overall, all of them are great. Nahida is the archon and archon always the best in their element so she is the exception here. Both Alhaitham and Tighnari are great in different situation and scenario. Alhaitham: sustained high damage output dps with longer on-field time. Tighnari: basically burst nuke dps with some process and then quickswap.
My summary: -Nahida is naturally the strongest dendro unit in the game both for utility, damage, and support because well, the archon. -Both Tighnari and AlHaitham excel at two different scenario despite the other being few seconds faster. Tighnari is good at frontload single target and quickswap playstyle while Alhaitham while lacking a frontload damage is good at long onfield sustained dps and AoE. Although for Alhaitham, his onfield time can be flexible depending on what combo you use.
I think this is the first dps showdown in which I have all spotlight characters, im kinda broke on freemos now but Alhaitham was so worth, a fine mix of fun, strong, and a very handsome husbando, Nahida also took a lot but not as much but was also so worth just because she’s so good and also adorable, tighnari was a standard drop and I haven’t leveled him ):
I don’t know if you know this or not about playing Genshin on mobile, but I noticed that you were just repeatedly tapping the screen to pick up the fowls. If you instead tap your character once it will pick up all the items in an instant
While this abyss being very single target is definitely a significant buff to him compared to Alhaitham and Nahida, I'm still pleasantly surprised by how well he did. I feel like he's still very underrated and deserves to be considered more.
@@nicolohonda9926 that one's kinda half and half imo. First wave isn't really in his favor. I'd argue he's well suited for the bird and scorpion though, as they are tanky and his range makes fighting them safer. On of many reasons people should actually build him
also something many people fail to mention is Tighnari's E effect on enemies. It confuses the Consecrated Beasts. I was able to take 0 damage in second floor first half because of Tighnari lol
i loved this !! great work as always iwlt :)) itd be really cool to see you try this again but use dendro traveler in the tighnari and alhaitham runs instead of nahida to show how they do without her !!
Demm.. i didnt expect that my fav dendro furry will dominate this, i kinda expected him to place 3rd given the amount of hype alhaitham and nahida has compared to him. I am super glad with the result 😁😁 Thanks IWTL 😁👍
Tighnari excels at front loaded damage, the outcome is not that surprising as he is among the best characters speedrun wise, even better than Yelan and Ganyu in some case
@@keepingtheknightslinetrue2057 I did not say that, I explicitly said that he is only better than Yelan in certain cases, the abyss recently greatly favors dendro team and c6 Tighnari utilizes all of these buffs very well making his front loaded single damage the highest currently. The second point would be the existence of Nahida as an absolute force in dendro team, she covers nearly any weakness Tighnari may have in places where you want to use him, which is against single boss. The third point will be an increase in flying boss, which while Yelan will have a harder time to deal with, Tighnari trivializes such mechanic. C6 yelan is broken, absolutely, against almost all contents for that matter, but Tignari is literally created for speedrunning bosses.
@@keepingtheknightslinetrue2057 C0 Tighnari has 100% uptime without needing batteries and multiple fav weapons in the team. Miss Armpits at c0 has 50% uptime and requires a battery PLUS 2 fav weapons in order to cast her Q ONCE. Get off her t*ts, they're not real, ya know?
I'm surprised Tighnari is able to keep up despite being a standard character! Yae Miko and Nahida are actually great units to fill in Tighnari's downtime. I think Al Haitham shines more in a hyperbloom comp but then it would just be a Kuki Shinobu EM showcase LOL.
Not just keep up lmao 💀 He wins the entire thing, finishing the fastest in everything. What’s the point of pulling Alhaitham if Tighnari is stronger. At least Nahida has a room for support.
@@hiyyih_lea this is c6 Tighnari vs c6 Alhaitham. Alhaitham constellations are worse than Tighnari’s so it doesn’t really prove Tighnari’s better. Alhaitham is still the better man.
Kinda wild to think that Nahida is one of the best support characters in the game, while also being on par with the best Dendro DPS characters. Really goes to show that investing in Nahida is the best option out of the 3 of them.
You should honestly... When i pull for cyno i got tighnari and I'm so mad because of it... Since then i call him green cyno.... But later after i finished gear him up... Man... This guy literally shut my mouth by carrying me entire abbys for three patches...
exactly what i was thinking. all these tests were single target for some reason? from the world bosses to trying about only first half of abyss, which is mostly single target damage oriented. i feel like the major flaw in a lot of iwtl's showdowns tho are that most of his tests on world bosses, so they really only test single target damage instead of all aspects of a dps chracter.
This video was really interesting in multiple ways. To start things off Nahida was basically in every team so that really makes you wonder, how her own clear times were basically equal to those where she was used as Sub-DPS alongside other, really strong Main DPS characters. Not to mention how powerful her C2 is for Dendro and Electro DPS Characters as well, she is truly a most adorable monster. Another thing is that this is probably the one video where no one can complain that you used Yelan in it, because while Yelan is with Nahida, Nahida herself is with Tighnari and Al-Haitham, so that evens things out for every team. And the last thing is that this is probably the first DPS showdown you had where you didn't use bennett or kazuha anywhere. And allow me to say that it was SO refreshing to see that. Dendro's introduction made the combat a lot more diverse and flexible, rather than revolving around two overused characters. Fun video! Thank you for all the effort you put into your work!
Using Widsith on Nahida would have made her times in burst situations a good deal faster. Her personal weapon has stats allocated to buffing her team members.
Nahida being on the other two teams does make things weird, because even based on DPS potential that would make Nahida the better pull. As for Yelan, we could just replace her with a C6 Xingqiu and still get a similar clear time on Nahida's team while there's no character that could replace Nahida on the other two teams and maintain a similar clear time.
Thank you god i have all of them... Although I got Al Haitham and Tignari accidentally when i was building pity for mommy Dehya... But i love them all..
I mean, Tighnari and Alhaitham get extra damage from Nahida's tri-karma making it easier for them to clear the floor since they're doing twice the damage Nahida is making, who only relies on her own damage from tri-karma. I think it would've been fair for Nahida if Tighnari and Alhaitham were with a different dendro support like Yaoyao or dendro MC.
But it is fair, Nahida not having a 2nd Nahida is an innate weakness. This was a huge debate comparable when yelan didnt exist and everyone was fighting over xingxiu, he works in alot of teams, and the teams without him is a massive downgrade. Its makes 0 sense why they wouldnt use their best support
When he was in the abyss I was like “why he didn’t have a healer?” Then I saw how quick enemies died and I understand. Why should you carry a healer when they died before touching you? 😂
I am f2p mostly but for Nahida’s weapon I spend money cause I wants her the best. I am saving for c2 on her next rerun. I think she will be even more viable with Fontaine characters.
Lol literally my three favorite characters in the game. My experience as someone who has crowned all of them (triple crowned Alhaitham, Double crowned Tighnari, and Crowned Nahida) Tighnari is best for boss killing (and best standard character) Alhaitham is the best dps (probably the best in the game at c0/low investment) Nahida is the best sub dps/support and will make any dendro team a lot stronger (arguably the strongest character in general rn)
@@fumiko203, I guess you need to check information before you say it :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wA_gtylBlbU.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dRBXhM_tZ8s.html
I have all three of them well here are some things that I want to point: First I think Nahida is the best among them in general Second In case of Tighnari and AlHaitham. I think the comparison isn't really realistic well because at C0 there would be a clear gap between Haitham and Tighnari Tighnari at C0 isn't like Tighnari at C6 What I mean is Tighnari gains much more from his cons than Haitham At C0 Tighnari does much lower damage than Haitham even at single target which is Tighnari's specialty plus he is much more expensive to build than Haitham For example a lot of charchters are better than Childe at C6 because Childe' cons are one of the worst but he is still better than most dps in the game I'm not actually saying Haitham is like Childe in fact Haitham cons really buff him I'm just using childe example to indicate how tier list would be different if we are talking about C6 not to mention to have a c6 Tighnari is harder than to C6 any limited charchter There are whale channels on youtube who don't have C6 Tighnari I mean when you are a whale the possibilty of having C6 Tighnari is higher because of the crazy number of pulls you do That's why I said the comparison usn't realistic because for f2p players charchter like Haitham and Childe ( I don't why I'm mentioning Childe ) is far better Lastly even if this is a C6 comparison this is still crazy for a standard banner charchter to clear faster than limited charchters(I know Nahida is support lol) this makes me want to see more of Tighnari comparison because of how crazy he is at C6 So in conclusion at C6 all of them perform similar as dps but to be honest I wanted to see a comparison between Haitham and other charchters like wanderer and Cyno well I'm thinking of getting them on their reruns I know the comparison is much more useful for people who only have one of them
The chamber mostly favor on tignari tho.. Cuz of a single waves specially in 12-1.... cuz he's a spread focus dps but in terms of mobs with high hp I think alhaitham can win though to his dps window uptime But your right most of the genshin players are f2p so they can't really reach the c6 (for the mean time but it took years to c6 a standard character tho) and Maybe 😂 f2p players thinking that if they got a C0 tignari it's already stronger than C0 alhaitham what the heck! F2p thinking? 😂😂 But if your a f2p you would rather get nahida c2 atleast than getting a cons like alhaitham or tignari
You're right but most of the people who watch IWTL are causals and are happy for their C0 tighnari and are probably not tryhard 36 star abyss players, where it matters if they got the wrong conclusion from this video. Simply ironsting alhaitham > tighnari without his bow. Anyway I also wanted to write a large explanation but i decided it wasn't worth it, people are happy to have tighnari, and at the end of the day that's all that matters in Genshin, and if they do invest him and get aqua or his bow then he will be a 36 star abyss character.
@@markjunlibrado9664 Yeah I agree with you I also don't think AlHaitham early cons are worth getting Because he and Tighnari strongest cons is basically C6 plus Haitham cons isn't really broken like C2 Nahida or C6 Yelan so I won't really recommend it but it surely boosts his damage
@@ShdowXYZ I just wanted to clarify how they are like at C0 and I said Tighnari is more expensive to bulid because Tighnari doesn't perform that well without a 5 star weapon and actually I use him with Aqua Simulacra because I think it's the best for his damage meanwhile AlHaitham is really good with four star option even with 3 star weapon like hod I wanted to say that as a help for people who are actually curious didn't mean to put someone down In a lot of the C6 comoarison in this channel if I say charchter 1 is better than charchter 2 at C6 then it's most likely that Charchter 1 is also better at C0 that's for most of the charchter not all of them but in this comparison specifically C0 results would be much different from C6 I'm really sorry if my long explaintion is offensive Well despite all of what I said Tighnari is a good dps and I didn't lose the 50/50 to him I actually pulled him on his banner because I love his playstlye and he helped me a lot on abyss and this video is just enough reason of crazy Tighnari can be 😃 well Haitham abd Tighnari are different each one specialize at something one is better at multiple target the latter is better at single target both has their pros and cons like Tighnari is easier to play and has shorter cooldown less energy cost for burst Again I'm sorry if what I said was offensive to any Tighnari main And as you said people at the end should play who they prefer By the way I myself shouldn't really talk about who is better because I pulled for Tighnari although Ganyu was on the next banber Same thing with AlHaitham I pulled him although Hu tao is on the next banner just because I love their playstyle more Sorry I talk a lot
12:57 "And of course, for the Durrito bot, Tighnari chunks most of his hitpoints, but is just short of being able to finishing it off, so we call in Nahida to finish of the last remaining bit of health." Meanwhile Yae Miko dealing 113.928 per E tick: "Am I a joke to you?"
No... C6 Tighnari deals about 280.000 per Charge shot... And that charge shot will happen 3 times in 2 second which mean for 1 E tick yae miko tighnari already dealing about 740.000 damage... This not include the skill and burst damage which estimated about 350.000... and all that happens just in 4-5 second
Tighnari's c6 IS NO JOKE. It's so broken compared to other standard characters c6. Being able to quickly charge a shot AND give you a bonus clusterbloom that deals a lot of damage sounds "ok" on paper, but in practice it annihilates everything. Just another reason why I'm so happy he's a standard character. Atleast I'm more likely to get his constellations! (Still Tighnari-less tho)
I know you're giving them optimal teams, but not really sure it's fair using one of the competitors to support the others- hard to distinguish how much of their faster time is THEIRS vs Nahida being a powerhouse off field as well as on
you people are genuinely delusional, do you understand what a support is? It's not abt char value, it's about DPS potential, and their optimal teams include Nahida, like it or not. She could be doing 90% of the dmg and it would still be their runs. Get over it.
@@heinzkohl7739 It's a "Tighnari vs Al Haitham vs Nahida" comparison in "who is the best Dendro DPS", it doesn't make sense to use Nahida on all teams, it's just become "Tighnari & Nahida vs Al Haitham & Nahida vs Nahida" at this point.
@@heinzkohl7739 what? hes saying its kinda useless doing a dps showdown when hes using the same 5 star as a support to the 5 stars hes comparing that same 5 star too. doing a dps showdown with alhaitham vs nahida, then using a nahida with alhaitham, it become two 5 stars against one and its a meaningless showcase
@@sweetbabyrayso5262 What is meaning? Are the meaning here was to showcase the DPS potential of each character IN and WITHOUT a team. 2 of them have her as a SUPPORT in their team. She as a DPS is WEAKER than them in teams where she is a SUPPORT. The meaning to showcase who is the best Dendro DAMAGE PER SECOND dealer has thus been fulfilled. You calling it meaningless bc your subhuman ape brain cannot differenciate between the VALUE of a char and their DPS potential in a full team won't change the result. GG get over it bozo.
Tighnari still remains one of my funnest and most powerful characters. He doesn’t have god-like artifacts, however using him with fischl, kazuha/venti and kokomi is always a blast
Tighnari is great because losing a 50/50 does not feel bad at all, even when I lost to him in the past banner I kinda like him, even more when I try it and after this is just better
I was actually surprised at how competitive Tighnari was vs Alhaitham. Probably because my Tighnari is still searching for an artifact set to get me over 170% CD
I feel like this showcase can be safely viewed as "How does a DPS Nahida team fair against Nahida being in the support role" As shes one of the best in slots for the others aswell, removing her from their teams wouldn't solve the problem of this being "unfair" to some people because of course, Tighnari's and, Alheithm's damage would suffer because they strictly need Nahida to succeed... Nahida doesnt need to win this "Brunt DPS Output Challenge" The fact that she can get this close to the other characters times being ON HER OWN while still being able to be the best Dendro reaction enabler is spectacular in of its self.
I have 3 of them 2 of them are well built tignari C0 r1 nahida C0 r1 but alhaitham C0 (Hod) r5 is not properly built And base on experience tignari is really strong in single target the only down side is his CD but alhaitham is really good in multitarget and single target too despite using a 3 star weapon And about nahida I didn't build her as a dps so she can't compete to them Hmm call me biased but I think in terms of c0 alhaitham is stronger than tignari but in c6 tignhari is stronger cuz of the his CD fixed in c6 meaning he can do more dmg than alhaitham in short amount of time but in mobs I think alhaitham can win if his c6 too
@@shentobento1079 as someone with both, you might want to rethink your assessment. Depending on how many enemies there are and how spread out they are, Nahida could do better.
Since he's using C6 Alhaitham, he could've done better against the dorito. Should've used hold E + instant plunge to get 3 mirrors for his Burst. He only had 2 for it. 2nd thing, he could've switched back to nahida for N1E or Mona for N1E(Hyperbloom), then switch back to Alhaitham for restored mirrors. Idk if he'd beat Tighnari's time, but he'd certainly be closer to it.
if you do it like this it won’t trigger the c6 effect~ if you E+plunge then Q, you will consume the 3 mirrors to open a long Q and then you will get back 3 mirrors, C6 needs to have the 4th mirror only will proc, so what he did is E > Q then charged attack so he could get a mid Q, get back 3 mirrors and CA to proc the 4th mirror
I think they said that more because he was going to be permanent on standard banner. I don't think I've heard people saying he was bad. But tbh it's terrible to call anyone stupid anyway, so they shouldn't have said it like that.
@@ValentijnEnJack Oh then they really didn't know what they were saying xD (this is why I don't listen to doom posters) and thank you!! Your pfp is cool, too!